For those of you who know this should come as no suprise, for those of you who keep insisting that the current adminsitration is no different than those of the past....
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10688
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10711
Look, I know that most of you guys think that I am just paranoid, but why would the gov't want or need a GPS marker for your house?
"Then, the same week that Americans learned that they were "domestic terrorists"—at least according to Obama's new DHS (Department of Homeland Security),—if they own a bible, a pocket Constitution or guns, and still believe in Life, Liberty and Freedom, - they also learned that Obama's Census Bureau had hired thousands of new temporary employees, equipped each with a handheld GPS computer and sent them out to mark GPS coordinates for every residential front door in America."
I guarentee you, if one of those miserable creeps from Acorn come knocking on my door, they WILL get a face full of my dogs "sack of great Poop." I live in a gated community and I'll make sure the HOA board knows about this.
Your not "paranoid," Billy.... good post.... keep on banging 'em out!
Guys , I hate to tell you....that's been done, years ago. How do you thinks your GPS works? Google yourself and you can find your longitude and latitude,etc. That's how the UPS guy can find you. The fire service uses it to land helicopters for trail bike injuries back in the woods. We can use it to find rural addresses. and on and on. Yes, it could be abused. You guys aren't paranoid, you're just so conservative you squeak! ;D Now Warph, you know perfectly well, solicitors can't get to you. My one girl friend lives in La Terra Vita north of Scottsdale, so I know how it works. My sister in law has a place in Fountain Hills over looking the golf course. Ya wanna play?
Maybe its just me, but I find it a little strange that they started doing this around the same time that the swine flu hit.
Diane, if it has already been done, why do it again?
I can't imagine why now, but I don't think the flu has any connection to it. Perhaps getting ready for the 2010 census? I suppose you're against that too.That's OK, we'll take your share. It's the under counting that causes problems.
I would have no problem with the census if it were put back into the right hands. What problems are caused by undercounting?
Kinda makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
DHS Sets Guidelines For Possible Swine Flu Quarantines
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/28/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4975598.shtml
Do you really want to trust this adminstration with this kind of power?
Billy, school districts use it to predict about what the school age population will be so they can have a rough count of the number of kids coming in. Highways can use it to predict traffic. The county building dept. uses it to predict the number of building permits that may be drawn. The numbers actually can be used to make predictions that overlap the next census. Under counts mean they will be short. Around here we have under count problems with the number of people who are hiding relatives and kids. Yet they use resources such as sewer and water. Population age and ethnic population numbers help builders plan what kind houses may be popular and successful in any given areas. As our area ages, more small one floor houses are being built and more assisted living facilities are being planned. Under counts can leave someone on a long waiting list. Also, we won't get our fair share of federal funding back. There are tables and things that are used. I remember one time Al had 54,000 addresses to verify with the post office so the census questionnaires could be sent out. I was amazed how many errors the lists had.
Ok, but why would folks be hiding relatives and kids?
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 01, 2009, 09:01:55 AM
I would have no problem with the census if it were put back into the right hands. What problems are caused by undercounting?
Billy the Census Dept. is taking applications now for the 2010 Census. You should apply so you can get it back in the right hands. Also, the Census us used to determine how many US House of Representative seats are apportioned to each State. Under counting means that you get less say.
David
Billy, we have regulations here on just how many people can be crammed into apartments and such....for health reasons. If a renter tells his landlord, (with a small house on septic and well) that he, his wife and two children are moving in, and then he sneaks in his "cousin," wife, and 5 kids, they'll super charge the septic system in a relatively short time and it will fail. As a university town, we have lots of rental properties. You can only have the owner and 3 unrelated people, if the owner lives on the property. It does affect our water and sewer, trash pick up, parking etc. Some of our utilities are included in the rent. You pack 'em in there, the land lord could actually lose money! And thanks David, I should have mentioned the House.
The biggest error in the census is the Illegals that are not counted.
Quote from: frawin on May 01, 2009, 09:56:59 AM
The biggest error in the census is the Illegals that are not counted.
Maybe I am missing your point. Illegals are counted in the Census. Some states actually have gained seats in the House due to large populations of illegal and\or non-citizens in a district. There is a growing movement to have all non-citizens excluded from the Census numbers that are used to apportion House seats.
David
Frank, why do you think illegals aren't counted? They aren't deliberately left out or separated out The forms are sent to addresses. The census takers on the streets aren't ICE. Some may not be counted, but certainly not all are missed.
By right hands I meant a private organization that has no stake in the outcome.
Illegals should not be counted. If found, they should be deported.
Diane, I lived in far West Texas thru 3 census and I can tell you that very few of the Illegals are counted. The illegals and their legal relatives are very careful to see that the illegals are not counted as they do not want to be pinpointed and sent back to Mexico or whereever else they come from. Do you think if they send a census form to a 3 room house with 20 illegals living in it that all 20 complete a form and say I am illegal and I live here, come get me. They either ignore the form, move or get someone that can help them fill it out showing one or two people live there. Besides many of the illegals don't stay in one place long enough to be counted.
It is not uncommon to see 20-30-40 illegals living in a 2-3 room shack, they are not all, if any included in the census.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 01, 2009, 10:37:18 AM
By right hands I meant a private organization that has no stake in the outcome.
Illegals should not be counted. If found, they should be deported.
The Constitution requires everyone to be counted so get started writing your Constitutional Amendment. I have no problem with illegal aliens being deported, but the law prohibits Census data from being used to enforce other laws such as immigration. Now if you want to talk about all the "big brother" questions they ask besides how many people in the household I am with you. It is a right to privacy issue in my opinion for citizens and non-citizens alike.
David
Quote from: frawin on May 01, 2009, 10:49:39 AM
It is not uncommon to see 20-30-40 illegals living in a 2-3 room shack, they are not all, if any included in the census.
They definitely are under counted, I have seen similar situations here in California.
David
Frank and Billy, if you were the census taker how would you know if you were talking to an illegal? Do you think they would tell you? Frank, I'm not disagreeing, I know what they do. But no effort is made at census time to leave out illegals. We have fewer here now. As the jobs have dried up many have gone home. (The local legal immigrants want those jobs!) Plus, a bunch more were caught and deported. There is one form sent per household and the information is put on it. In areas where under counts are suspected, a census taker may go to the address.
Diane I can assure you that the Cenus takers in West Texas have a pretty good idea when they are talking to Illegals. I never said that there is a an effort to leave the illegals out of the census by anybody, however there is an effort to do so by the illegals.
I just checked and next year every household will get just a census short form sent to your place of residence. It will be based on the form that was tried out in selected ares in 2008. There is room for information on 12 residents in the household. The more detailed information that was sent to some people last census is being relegated to the American Community Survey that is sent to some people every year on a rotating basis across the country. Everyone eventually gets it too. Frank, I do know what you mean. But the census isn't meant to be about illegals.
Diane, the census is in part to be about illegals and it should be, Illegals in this country are one of the most critical problems that need to be addressed. Below is an article regarding census data and illegals.
Census Bureau: Over 100,000
Illegal Aliens from the Middle East
New Government Report Raises
Concerns in Light of Terrorist Threat
WASHINGTON (January 22, 2002) — In a newly released report, the Census Bureau estimated that perhaps 115,000 people from Middle Eastern countries live in the United States illegally. The estimates are based on the bureau's preliminary analysis of the 2000 census. The findings are especially troubling given the role failures in immigration control played in September's terrorist attacks. Not only were at least three of the September 11th hijackers illegal aliens, a number of past terrorists have also been illegal aliens from the Middle East, including Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer, who tried to bomb the New York subway system in 1997, and Mohammed Salameh, who took part in the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.
The entire Census Bureau report containing estimates of the illegal population by country of origin can be found at: http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0061.html (See Page 36, Table A-6).
The new numbers include some individuals who may have since received legal status and also include about 24,000 illegals from Israel, but do not include Pakistan, which the Immigration and Naturalization Service previously estimated had more than 40,000 illegals in the United States. The figures for the Middle East also do not include North African countries such as Egypt and Algeria, which have sent a number of terrorists to the United States in the past. Africa as a whole, including Sub-Saharan Africa, accounts for perhaps 243,000 illegals, according to the Census Bureau report. Overall, the report estimates that as many as 8.7 million illegal aliens may have been counted in the 2000 Census.
Implications of the report:
• Current efforts by the Justice Department to make 6,000 Middle Eastern men who have been ordered deported actually return to their home countries barely scratch the surface. According to the Census Bureau, there are perhaps 58,000 non-Israeli Middle Eastern men living in the United States illegally, not including Pakistan or North African countries.
• Current efforts to more carefully scrutinize visa applications from Middle Eastern countries are likely to be far less effective if immigration laws continue to remain largely unenforced, as the figures in the report indicate.
• The fact that more than eight million illegal aliens now live in the country demonstrates that amnesties don't solve the problem of illegal immigration. Although 2.7 million of the estimated five million illegal aliens living in the country in 1986 were given amnesty (legal permanent residence), the new estimates indicate that they have been entirely replaced by new illegal aliens and that by 2000 the illegal population was at least three million larger than before the last amnesty.
• Although the INS has very serious shortcomings, it is not primarily responsible for this situation. Instead, the problem lies with Congress and successive administrations, Democratic and Republican. All have failed to provide the money or political support the INS needs to enforce the ban on hiring illegals and to track down those who overstay their visas.
"It is difficult to overstate the implications of this new report for the security of our nation," said Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies. "While the vast majority of illegals from the Middle East are not terrorists, the fact that tens of thousands of people from that region and millions more from the rest of the world can settle in the United States illegally means that terrorists who wish to do so face few obstacles. We can't protect ourselves from terrorism without dealing with illegal immigration."
By not adequately policing the borders; by not enforcing time limits on visas and the ban on hiring illegals; by allowing illegals to attend college, open bank accounts, and obtain drivers licenses with little difficulty and by not even ensuring that those who are ordered deported actually go home, it is inevitable that millions of illegal aliens will settle in the United States, including tens of thouands from the primary terrorist-sending countries. Because the terrorist threat comes almost exclusively from foreign-born individuals, immigration enforcement must be a central part of efforts to reduce the likelihood of future attacks. In addition to concerns over terrorism, the huge number of illegal aliens living in the country also has significant implications for public services and the job prospects of low-wage Americans in the current economic downturn.
# # #
The Center for Immigration Studies is a non-profit, non-partisan research organization which examines and critiques the impact of immigration on the United States. It is not affiliated with any other group.
I skipped the word "just". Sorry, I meant "just about illegals." Again, I don't disagree. Populations and population migration around the country is one of the things the census is used for. Al could tell you much more than I. He was the Delaware Population Consorsium chairman for many years.
David, this is what I meant by right hands...
99. Moving the Census out of the Department of Commerce and into the White House. -warph
Here is the questions for the Census..
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/Questions_Planned_for_the_2010_Census_and_American_Community_Survey.pdf
You know.........?
I understand the need for a census for apportionment purposes, but I don't think, at the point of a gun, we should be required to answer any other questions........ regardless of what government allocations are involved.
Count noses, ages and citizenship status. That's it. It's no business of the federal government how many toilets I have or what my financial income is or how much money I made off my land. or if I take care of my grandchildren.. yada yada etc etc..
2 people live in this house.. One is a full blown American.. the other is a "legal" citizen of the United States..
I put down my pencil after that! I don't give a tinkers damn about their so called government allocations..
so ....................I won't lie.. I just won't tell them anything that is none of their business!
Period.. end.. over and out!.
Teresa, I know I won't convince you but I'll try. Local and state governments also use national census data to predict areas of growth, school population, highway needs, water needs and on and on. A lot is used for marketing. When Al was working as a planner, a person from somewhere might come into the planning Dept. because they wanted consider opening a furniture store. They could look at all sorts of data. The age of any given community, the age of the residents, the number of kids,etc. If an area is young and growing like our Middletown, there are young families who will be buying furniture. My area is old and settled, very few school aged kids right now. Nobody needs much furniture. In a few years that will change as people move to assisted living or die. The population will become young again. With the same thinking, our older community is slowing replacing their old toilets with the smaller tank, less water models. We just bought one for our downstairs powder room. It's a two stage very efficient model. My water use will drop. That's good for our city. I'll be replacing the others too. That will be reflected in the census. Marketing people will know that in an older area chances are good that the Lowes and Home Depot should stock low flow models. Builders know that in new homes they might as well put in the low flow as an option because that is what younger home owners will want, hence asking ages in the home. Many of the census questions allow for short and long range planning for services that will be needed. Otherwise all you can do is react and no planning ahead can ever be done. It's not just nosey, honest.
Why don't the people of home depot and lowes do their own market research instead of wasting my tax dollars having the gov't do it for them? As for highway needs, school population, water needs etc. These things can be detemined in many different ways for example:
1) Highway needs...If the sale of homes or construction of new homes in an area are going up, than it can be assumed that the population of that area is going to increase, school population will likely increase, water needs will go up, and possiblly the need to connect that area with the highway system could arise.
I was going to go into a little more detail on that, but I guess I don't need to. Bottom line is that the gov't does not need to go into the market research field. It needs a headcount, thats all.
Billy, I agree.
Local gov't's are not good planners. Even with data, they miss.
"Planning & zoning" is another one we could do without.
If I were going to build a new house in a new development, I would want the necessary roads in first. I would also want to know that there was going to be water and sewer available and a good school not too far away and I wouldn't want to wait for any of it. I am, after all, just a good old impatient American.
Thats all well and good wilma, but why should taxpayer money go towards finding that information for you?
So if many, many market researchers called your house or knocked on your door you'd talk to them? I doubt it! If a prospective shop or store owner can go to the local planning Dept. to see aerial photographs, learn about traffic patterns and zoning regs. etc. they don't have to bother you. Those business people pay taxes too, plus through the whole process they pay fees.Tain't free.
Why shouldn't the taxes I pay go to find information for me that I can access immediately instead of having to spend time and my money interviewing people that don't know me. The money I don't mind, but my time is valuable.
Diane-
There's a lot of free public info out there and the gov't knows too much.
Without "planning and zoning", there would be no need to know or find the
planning and zoning regulations.
There are many areas without planning and zoning in the USA.
Hopefully, there'll be less and less in the future.
For areas that don't need zoning, I think that's fine. We certainly do here or the neighbors would all be suing or shooting each other all the time. D I don't think huge piles of old tires, full of water and attracting rats and mosquitoes is something my neighbor across the street should have to put up with in his new neighbor's back yard. Nor, do I want overgrown pot belly pigs as neighbors or barking dogs either. Now pigmy goats, those are cute..... can't have chickens anymore either. So you think everyone should be free to do whatever they want? I'll come out and put a rendering plant right next to you and see how you like it. or a chicken sewage plant or a sulphur plant. or an active dog kennel with 80 dogs that never shut up. Or a bar right across the street from your school.
I think ya'll are missing my point. While I do not want market researchers calling me or showing up at my door, I think that is a chance you take in business. People should not 1) be forced to provide info. about themselves that they don't want to for this purpose. 2) tax money should not go towards providing info. that that benefits private business.
As to zoning laws, I think that they are helpful to a point, (i.e. industrial plants in residential areas). However, they can and are taken way to far. If my neighbor has old tires in his yard, that is his business, and frankly just makes my yard look better. Frankly, I adhere to the saying, "Strong fenses, Big dogs, and Concealed weapons make for better neighbors."
As for GPS marking every door...yes, directions to your house can be found using Goggle maps or whatever. What if I don't particularly want my house on mapquest? It would be different if the folks doing the marking were obtaining permission first, but they aren't. I see this as an invasion of my privacy.
We have West Nile virus here and Lyme disease too. If those mosquitoes would respect my property line...but rats and mosquitoes are a public health issue. Most of us don't want to succumb to " broken window" syndrome. Tire piles and junk affect the whole neighbor- hood. It's not like it is out where you are. So you don't believe in much of anything for the public good? If your house is on fire I expect you to put it out yourself! ;D We have a "Fire Chief's Law" that during the time of the alarm the property belongs to the fire company until such time as it is turned back to the owner. We recently had a fire in one of our local sub shops. The owner came running up demanding to be allowed to go into the fire to rescue the food and put it in his pick up. Can't do it. The board of health has to be notified and the open food etc. has to be destroyed. He was not happy. Big dogs make good neighbors ? My sister had a neighbor, very old woman, who was out in her back yard when the dog of the neighbor on the other side (pitbull) jumped the fence, knocked her down and bit her very badly. She never recovered.The police did nothing because it was on private property and she would have to sue for damages. A board of health report was taken because it was an animal bite. It did have all its shots, but that dear lady went down hill and died sometime later. Doesn't sound very neighborly to me.
On the tire issue...talk with your neighbor. Come up with a viable solution that would work for both of you.
On the Dog issue...I said strong fences. If a person has a dog they should know how to control the dog. If that dog leaves the property then any damages done by said dog should be paid for by the dog owner. And I don't care what the breed is, that makes no difference. Pits are not bad dogs but they do have bad owners. I have shot 3 dogs because they were on my property and appeared dangerous.
Any fence that is small enough for a dog to jump over is not a good one.
The fire chief law is absurd. My property is my property, regardless of circumstance.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 06, 2009, 07:25:55 AM
I just checked and next year every household will get just a census short form sent to your place of residence. It will be based on the form that was tried out in selected ares in 2008. There is room for information on 12 residents in the household. The more detailed information that was sent to some people last census is being relegated to the American Community Survey that is sent to some people every year on a rotating basis across the country. Everyone eventually gets it too.
You are right on the short form thing Diane. I did some more research on it..
I guess trying to gather all that personal data once every 10 years isn't enough, so in 2010 the "official" census will be just what it should be. Everyone gets the short form. No toilet counts.. Just the basic who are you and some basic demographics.
BUT how do the bureaucrats and elitist get all the other data they really want.
OH....they've authorized something called "American Community Survey" which isn't just every 10 years but it is on-going survey and in their words
* tells us what the population looks like and how it lives
They send out the questionnaire each year to a "sample" of the population. And under Title 13 of the US code, just like the Census, you are REQUIRED to answer all the questions.
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/SBasics/SQuest/SQuest1.htm
I say required because the mafia manifesto called our government has stated that
There are fines for incomplete or false answers.
Understand.... I DO NOT LIKE IT.
But the US Code, Title 13, Chapter 7, Section 221 says.
Quote
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a)
of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances
described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is
false, shall be fined not more than $500.
I've done some more digging on their slime ball tactics and come up with this.
I thought to myself.. Fine.. I have 100$ , hell with them. They can fine me.
But...
They take your $100 and then give you another questionnaire. Don't answer that one. Another $100 and another questionnaire. [/b]
I just keep thinking about this......
I understand the need for a census for apportionment purposes, but I don't think, at the point of a gun, we should be required to answer any other questions regardless of what government allocations are involved.
This is another scenario concerning gun census questions which is being whispered about in the back rooms...
They make a big point about privacy and Title 13 makes a big deal about it,
BUT
All it takes is for just the right crisis to come along and "they" will repeal the privacy clauses, retroactively, so quickly as to make your head spin. Regardless of what the government promises, they can just as easy with a single roll call vote reverse themselves.
So just use a little imagination. You're the MoveOn/Brady Bunch/Saros team and your goal is total gun confiscation. First you must locate all the guns. So on the guise of full understanding the problem you include a "gun related" question in the Census, err sorry, the ACS (which has the same power as the census). Privacy, privacy, privacy you exclaim. Just want to get a handle on the true scope of gun ownership. Maybe even the NRA is convinced to support this because they think it'll show how big and pervasive gun ownership is and it will scare congress into inaction. WRONG. The next crisis to come along congress will be urged to reverse the census privacy as it relates to firearms to help avoid the "crisis". (You can't waste a good crisis you know.) That private information you gave.....out the window. Feds now know what house doors to knock on. Lied on the survey form did you? Well, for those that didn't lie it'll just be confiscation. For those that lied, it'll be confiscation and jail. (you see it's always worse for those who lie to the government.)
Maybe won't happen that way. Maybe.......................... :-\
Teresa, the census...You didn't think I knew what I was talking about? ;D Billy, we can't have permanent out door open storage here period.The city inspector made Ivan get rid of the tires after a reasonable period of time. ( He was going to sell them, from home, he thought.) Nobody bought any.They are gone. The dog? I guess I should say he somehow got over the 5ft.chain link fence. I was surprised too. They offered nothing to their injured neighbor in the way of compensation.
Diane, in your earlier posts you made it sound like your neighbor was storing old tires, you didn't say that the man was trying to run a business. Whats wrong with a person trying to make a little extra money? As for the dog attack, I have been thinking about this and it really doesn't make sense. If your sisters neighbor died as a direct result of the attack, as the way you made it sound, then the dog owners are guilty of homicide and law enforcement would have to do something.
It wasn't selling the tires that was a problem, it was the outdoor storage. There are businesses that can be run directly out of a home here and some that can't. Mostly having to do with parking and traffic. As for the dog bite incident, because she didn't die immediately they couldn't make a direct case. Her health failed immediately, then her mind went. They had to start having home care but she ended up in a nursing home and she died there after a short stay. She started a health failure cascade as a result of being thrown to the ground and mauled, but the family was advised it would be too hard to prove so they didn't persue it.
How long after the dog bite did she die?
Quote from: Teresa on May 06, 2009, 02:50:48 PM
I just keep thinking about this......
Lied on the survey form did you? Well, for those that didn't lie it'll just be confiscation. For those that lied, it'll be confiscation and jail. (you see it's always worse for those who lie to the government.)
Maybe won't happen that way. Maybe.......................... :-\[/color]
Thats why i don't answer the survey. The only thing from what i understand is that the constitution requires us to state a name and number of people living there. thats it. The rest is not required.
I usually stay under the radar anyway and they can't exactly send me a survey if they can't find me
Billy, it was less than a year I think, but enough months that the daughter, who did work on it, was discouraged from pursuing it. Thanks for caring. She was a delightful spry person until that happened.
You can't blame her losing her mind on a dog bite. I think that there was something else other than the dog bite that lead to her death.
Go to weather.com click on the interactive radar and you can zoom it in on your house. Or anybody elses house that you know where they live lol.
yeah, I know, but what is the point of being able to do that?
It's kind of cool actually, I've seen what Ireland and Scotland look like and I've never been there. I looked up the places my ancestors came from and went there by satellite. Not everything in the world is a huge conspiracy or needs to have an absolute purpose. You must be one of THE most uptight people I've ever seen. Relax dude....enjoy it for a minute of two...I promise the world won't end while you are doin it.
Seriously......
Sorry pam, but I think that any money taken from taxpayers ought to have a logical purpose. If that is uptight, then so be it.
I could expand on that but, since you don't believe in planning or zoning and it's OK for the guy upstream to flood out your place, I won't say how it can be used.
The weather satellite DOES have a purpose....it lets you see what is comin your way in the way of storms etc. right in your neighborhood at THAT particular moment. It comes in pretty friggin handy.
Yup, sure does help a lot. I heard recently that the GPS satellites may start failing soon. That would really be a shame.
I heard that too. I really DO use the weather satellite to keep up when storms are comin and I would miss it.
Quote from: pamsback on May 23, 2009, 06:12:49 PM
The weather satellite DOES have a purpose....it lets you see what is comin your way in the way of storms etc. right in your neighborhood at THAT particular moment. It comes in pretty friggin handy.
If I want to know whats going on in my neighborhood, I'll look out the freakin window.
I watch the weather channel and the radar that is shown at least every hour. I know what is going to be outside my window hours before it is there. And as to looking out the window, my husband was a trained weather observer, but he didn't see the tornado that hit us. Nobody saw it except the watchers that were miles away and there wasn't any time for a warning. We did know the conditions existed because of the information that was being broadcast all evening, but when it happened, it happened. Looking out the window didn't do a lot of good.
Wilma, I am not saying that there isn't a use for weather radar and such. What we don't need is satellite tech. that allows folks to look down on their homes from space. It serves no purpose and is a waste of money.
It serves a purpose..............
Billy, I don't care if there is someone way up there watching me. I am not doing anything I am ashamed of.
Billy, its too late! I already looked down and saw that big still in your back yard. Da revenooers are on dere way! ;D ;D ;D I could tell you lots of ways that satellite technology is useful, but you wouldn't agree, so I won't waste my fingers. As for weather, I want to know about it BEFORE it gets here. Looking out the window is too late for me.
Diane, nothing wrong with turning some corn into a little alternative fuel. I am sure it is only stored in mason jars because there were extras laying around from canning tomatoes last year. Maybe he is distilling water. If you tell the revenuers then I can change the topic to "little brother" is here and explain how we need to be more worried about our fellow citizens than the Big Brother government keeping track of us. I bet Billy would have something to say since I know he listens to Coast to Coast AM and Alex Jones. ;D
David
Ha! ;D ;D ;D
If I had a still (not a bad idea) it wouldn't be in my backyard. And it would be running 24/7.
Pam, what purpose?
Billy, just a bit up the road from me is a very large wooded area called Whiskey Hill. For good reason.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 24, 2009, 01:50:57 PM
If I had a still (not a bad idea) it wouldn't be in my backyard. And it would be running 24/7.
Billy, I spent a few years working in my friends Beer, Wine, Cheese, Vinegar, Bread making supply shop. I learned a lot and had fun doing it. I would ferment concrete just to see what happened. I never knew all those things I learned in chemistry class would come in handy later in life. :laugh:
David
Let's see now, fermented concrete....does that make hard liquor?
Diane, I never distilled it so we didn't have a chance to make hard liquor. I did add Chocolate Barley Malt, Pale Malt, Oatmeal, and some hops. It made a pretty good English style Oatmeal Stout.
David
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 24, 2009, 01:50:57 PM
If I had a still (not a bad idea) it wouldn't be in my backyard. And it would be running 24/7.
Pam, what purpose?
Well let's see............if I've got a big project goin on but I know it's supposed to storm I can get the radar up and see how long I've got to get it finished........I can see how bad my family is gettin it in another state. Other than that nothin I guess.....
David, I'd take the oatmeal all by it's self. Good booze is wasted on me. :laugh: Pam, let's see, using satellite infrared imaging we can spot underground pipe leaks, oil and otherwise. Colonial pipe line doesn't have to fly a plane up the pipe line any more. (The color contrasts pick up dead foliage and dark spots.) Same thing is used to find beetle infestations in forests. Changing stream ways and watersheds can be defined. Open space can be defined so whole states aren't covered in houses and overdeveloped with no places for parks and rec. Areas that are silting in can be defined. The Corps. of Army Engineers uses it too. There are many more uses too, not just for weather.
Quote from: pamsback on May 24, 2009, 06:11:28 PM
Well let's see............if I've got a big project goin on but I know it's supposed to storm I can get the radar up and see how long I've got to get it finished........I can see how bad my family is gettin it in another state. Other than that nothin I guess.....
Pam I already commented on weather radar. Yes, it comes in handy. However, why are we wasting money to fund a tech. that allows anyone to view someones home from space?
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 24, 2009, 08:50:24 AM
Wilma, I am not saying that there isn't a use for weather radar and such. What we don't need is satellite tech. that allows folks to look down on their homes from space. It serves no purpose and is a waste of money.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 24, 2009, 07:05:04 PM
David, I'd take the oatmeal all by it's self. Good booze is wasted on me. :laugh: Pam, let's see, using satellite infrared imaging we can spot underground pipe leaks, oil and otherwise. Colonial pipe line doesn't have to fly a plane up the pipe line any more. (The color contrasts pick up dead foliage and dark spots.) Same thing is used to find beetle infestations in forests. Changing stream ways and watersheds can be defined. Open space can be defined so whole states aren't covered in houses and overdeveloped with no places for parks and rec. Areas that are silting in can be defined. The Corps. of Army Engineers uses it too. There are many more uses too, not just for weather.
Yeah I know Diane I was just tired of answerin Varmit...... ::)