This looks like an interesting book, "Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists"
Following is a review of this book by RC Murray, former public school teacher:
http://fwatch.blogspot.com/2008/08/red-republicans-and-lincolns-marxists.html
I'll have to get a copy. If it is all he says it is I will reccomend it to the school board for review as part of history class. Gee, I wonder what their response would be???
History class? I didn't think they still taught history.
Most schools have not been teaching history right for over
a hundred (100) years. In 1896, there were complaints
about it.
Just look at how Lincoln has been worshipped over
the years for his "greatness" and how much less recognition
of our founding fathers have received, all for furthering the fed's
socialist agenda.
I don't think they are even teaching Lincoln anymore. At least I never hear anything about it. Lincoln and Washington both have been lost in president's day, which means only a day off from school for the kids.
Yep, and thats a damn shame. Don't ya just love those teachers unions???
Tnere is something else to blame here but I am not going into it.
so why bring it up?
The school curriculum doesn't come from the teachers union. It comes from the state by way of the school board and the textbook publishers. The PTA's, through the school board, could have a say too if they had a concern.
As large as the teachers unions are you can't tell me they don't have some pull with the state. also why would the state want to teach a twisted view of history? or even none at all?
Why would a teacher's union? Teachers unions are about working conditions and pay.
I think someone that has worked in the school system knows more about how things are done then we who only attended school. I can remember hearing teachers complaining about curriculum being cut that they wanted to teach.
Yup, that would have been me. ;) I was on our school's text book review committee and when it came to the "humanities," I was very picky.
It's just another conspiracy yah know. ???
Yup. ;)
Let's try "standardization".
Does that better describe the goals and intentions of the gov't for their schools
across the country?
Possibly....but then whose "truth" does one use? Nobody can agree on anything.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on April 25, 2009, 08:55:53 AM
As large as the teachers unions are you can't tell me they don't have some pull with the state.
If the NEA had any real pull, we wouldn't be seeing school budgets reduced to the point of having to RIF teachers. It is morally, ethically, and legally reprehensible on the part of our government to declare that "education should share in the pain" that our economy is facing right now...If the general public were made completely aware of the burden of all the unfunded mandates (that means the schools are compelled to provide services without any hope of reimbursement from the State) that our school systems already carry, they would see that our public school systems HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHARING IN THE PAIN...For more years than our government would like to admit. I would LOVE to see an accounting of the level of monies that are owed our schools...That is, if the State were to start paying for all of the mandates it shoved on the educational system.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on April 25, 2009, 08:55:53 AM
also why would the state want to teach a twisted view of history? or even none at all?
If you study the curriculum maps that are provided online (go to ksde.org), you can see for yourself how much history is taught and at what ages, and what standards there are to be met in those areas. I guarantee you, History is taught. As far as it being twisted...History is an accounting of what has transpired, as recorded by those who were either there at the time or have studied it in depth...It is an accounting of pertinent activities that has been written down by humans...Therefore, it is susceptible to being wrongly reported (this is the case with most historical documents...You have to trust that the people doing the reporting weren't just fulfilling some agenda on their part). I know of no teachers, good, indifferent or otherwise, who deliberately seek to mislead the children in front of them. And, as far as the State is concerned, I very much doubt that they are in on the selection of History texts that are used within a school district...There is usually a textbook committee that looks at a number of different texts, weeds out the ones that are either poorly written or are in a format that doesn't fit the population being served, and then hands over the two or three best to the teachers to look at...And then, those teachers vote on which one they like best. The State department plays a role in saying which standards have to be met...But it is the teachers who decide, ultimately, in which format those standards will be best met.
Okay, I may have been wrong about the teachers union, I'll retract that one.
As far as History not being twisted...if that were the case then students could answer such questions as, "why was the Civil War started?" correctly. They could name at least some of our Founder Fathers, they could name ALL of the culpruts in the slave trade not just white southerns. If History were taught properly then both sides of the issue would be shown and not subject to a particular demographic.
That's right Biily - Yes Sir!
Segregation was enforced after the war during Reconstruction by the northern liberals. It was was the northern liberals who separated the negroes and whites in the South (and north).
To this day, it is the northern liberals who are causing the racial problems in this country.
Ever heard that discussed or taught in the public schools?
I think that the bulk of racial problems are caused by the very people who are screaming for tolerance and diviersity. I think that "white" america has long ago moved past that. The calls for Slavery Repairation, affirmative action, and groups like the Black Caucas are prime examples of people not really wanting to move past the issue. Look at what happened after obama was elected, america has a black president and still they holler about "whitey" trying to keep'em down.
It's the liberals who lack real tolerance and diversity.
Their real agenda is socialism - that's what I call it.
Red, just out of curiosity have you ever studied socialism in depth? What do you call socialism? I'm not criticizing, just interested.
Diane, why do you not understand?
If you knew more about Diane's background, you wouldn't be asking that! lol She's very well versed on the subject...Much more knowledge there than I possess, much to my embarrassment.
I have not had a chance to review this site except the pictures on the front
page like Walter Williams, Clyde Wilson, Robert E. Lee - should be good........
http://www.sovereignstates.org/
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Red which, of many types of socialism, do you think Pres. O is trying to push us into? The collective communes of the 60's? Once the residents got bored, most of those failed. Farming and manufacturing Socialism? Where nobody owns the crops they grow or the goods they produce and sell or buy and resell, and prices are set by the Gov? Pure Marxism which sounds good and kind and fair on the surface, has it's own set of problems? Or one of the hybrids that encompasses some socialism and a lot of Social Capitalism? I understand your concern but I don't think Congress would stand for a complete topsy turvy of our way of life. Not in just 8 years.
Diane, if you do not think that congress is backing obama (for the most part) you hav not been paying attention. As for socialism, regardless of what type, is doomed to fail. Simply because eventually the gov't or socialists will run out of other peoples money to spend.
And all these supporters of Obama have just been elected to Congress? Take a good look at Congress and just how long most of the senators have been there. Most of the House has been there for a long time, too. The country has had a long time to get rid of Socialist supporters. Have we all been hoodwinked for years and years? Obama can't do it alone and I doubt very much if the majority of our Congressmen have been recently converted.
We've already had some mild forms of socialism here for a very long time. farm and oil subsidies, farm- market roads, soil banks. Most of the mid west knows about various farm subsidies. It keeps prices down at the market so poor people can afford food. Much of the world spends much more of its income on food than we do...unless there is a government subsidy.
Diana, I do not support any types or forms of socialism and that includes all of those
mentioned by you. Nor, do I believe that the Fed's ought to supply local, county,
or state govt's with any funds or grants.
Which types & forms of socialism do you support?
Wilma, you are right, most congress members have been there for awhile. Now, they just have a bigger chance to get their policies and pet projects through.
Just because we've had socialist programs before, farm subsidies etc, doesn't make it any more right. As far as the rest of the world, let me make this clear...I...Don't...Care!
I am an American, this is where I live, I don't consider myself a "global citizen". Just because a good portion of the world is socialist doesn't mean I want this country to be.
So, the federal taxes collected shouldn't go back to the states that can't make it own their own? The whole Midwest would be in deep doo-doo! ;D We are a donor state. We only get back about 70% of what we pay in. What do I support? Federal disaster relief, anything having to do with infrastructure, flood work, highways, bridges and the like. Education grants, some support for the arts. Whatever it takes to keep people from starving to death. (I haven't given this much thought this morning.) I'd manage it much differently though. An amount would go to each member of congress ( according to a formula) to take back to their constituents. When it's gone, it's gone until the next year. That would not include disaster relief. I am definitely a global citizen. Without trading partners, where would we be?
Diane, you sure do advocate dependency.
Faith?
The whole country is going..............
Hey Billy, I thought of more. Our National Park System, the National Zoo. Military pay and pensions....You put in 6 years, right? Designated military highways....
Here's a timely one... the CDC! Since Kansas has confirmed cases of the "new flu" I'd think that one would be important. ;) I can surely come up with more. There are those I don't support too. The totally inflexible federal highway and bridge standards for one. Some of those use an elephant gun to kill a flea. I also don't support federal funds for beach replenishment, but that's just me.
Diane, I disagree, the states should take care of themselves. Why should my tax dollars go to bailout california just because they mismanged their money? I can agree on the defense budget and National parks, but that is about it. By making the states fend for themselves they would be forced to look at what programs they have and eliminate quite afew of them. I think a good start would be welfare and the "pork" projects.
Keep after it, Diane...Shine that light! ;D ;D
Maybe it will hit someone some day. ;D ;D
I think Billy is a very bright person and I don't think it's funny how all of you pick on him either! I don't know him personally but he seems to be with it AND can hold his own in an argument. Geez, back off.... :P
Now, now, now...We're not picking on the poor boy...MUCH! ::) :o
Billy is doing just fine on his own. I'm not picking on him. I just have different views...part of the time. We also agree on some things too.
;)
Billy is one of the best things that have happened to this section of the forum ..
Some of you can think what you want...but this man knows his stuff.
If we ever have to team up.. I'm definitely on his. 8)
And by the amount of posting that is going on in this board.. there seem to be more people interested in Politics than they used to admit. ;D
I am home for about a few days then off again.. but I will take the time to try to catch up..
For now I'm just reading and grinning . Hopefully sometime this next week I'll have time to "try" to squeeze in amongst you all while (if) you take a breath and try to post.. LOL
I think it is great that everyone is getting involved.. Hopefully .. "the light" will come on for many people..... ;)
But one thing is for sure..
Billy.. you HAVE got them out of their corners........ :D
You are so right, Teresa. He reminds me of one of my brothers-in-law. He can argue about anything and does and sometimes switches sides.
I disagree, the states should take care of themselves. Why should my tax dollars go to bailout california just because they mismanged their money?
yeah, you got a point there. Why should your tax dollars go to bailout California or any other state for that matter? We could just let the states take care of themselves like you say. Tell that to the people of Louisana, Mississippi and Alabama after Katrina came through. The Feds were slow and lacking in help, but they did help. WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS! But, yeah, I don't want my tax dollars to go to another state as they are sorely needed here. Why should I pay to put Greenville, KS, back in the atlas? I think that some of you need to go back and read the definition of Socialism. There is a fine line between "redistribution of wealth" and helping your neighbors. I know that when the "big one" hits California, I am going to need your tax dollars to feed my family and give them shelter. Thanks.
Sorry, I haven't had my coffee yet. Larryj
Tell that to the people of Louisana, Mississippi and Alabama after Katrina came through. -larryJ.
Oh, yes, of course, those poor people...well except the ones looting big screen tvs, stereos, etc. And lets not forget those who shot at rescue workers. Also, a question that has never quite been answered...those folks had plenty of advanced warning, why didn't they take steps to prepare for this??? I mean, if you live in a coastal city that happens to be under sea level and someone tells you that a hurricane is coming, are you just going to sit on your butt? Also, if you know that "the big one" is going to hit california why aren't you preparing now?
No matter how much you prepare, you will in all eventuality find that it wasn't nearly enough. That is when our tax dollars step in to assist those in need...In addition to dollars that were donated through United Way...The Red Cross...The Salvation Army...etc. All of this posturing and expounding on what "we" would have others do...All YOU can do is make sure to take care of yourself and your own...And do your best to contribute to the general well-being of the public at large...And not suck out of the public trough...Leave those dollars for those who need that helping hand to get up out of the hole that they find themselves in at the time. This is all part of our society having evolved out of the pain of our previous generations...And thank the good Lord, we have found ways to assist our youth and others with their needs. We are living the good old days NOW.
Quote from: Wilma on April 28, 2009, 07:11:26 AM
You are so right, Teresa. He reminds me of one of my brothers-in-law. He can argue about anything and does and sometimes switches sides.
When have I switched sides?
Maybe all you have done is start hearing the truth on 'both' sides..and you are seeing the light as Catwoman said.. :)
Well, Billy, to answer your questions. A lot of those people who knew the storm was coming didn't have the means to get out of town or have any place to go. I can imagine the traffic jam here if everyone tried to leave town at the same time. It is bad enough just for those trying to get home from work. And, yeah, there are those criminal elements who are going to take advantage of a disaster to help themselves to a big screen or a new car, or maybe they are trying to find food and water for their family. As far as preparing for the "big one", many, and I hope most of us, have earthquake kits, and store water and canned food, etc. I have been here for 44 years and have been through some "shake, rattle, and rollers" which are unnerving to say the least. However, there is no warning for the "big one" like their is for a hurricane. Am I prepared? Probably not enough, but how do you know how much to prepare for? Sure, the electricity will be gone (Heaven forbid I couldn't sign on to the Elk County Forum!) and there is a danger of gas leaks forbidding any open flame during the time it takes for the Gas Company to tell you its okay. But, I got a big tent and extra blankets and stored food and water, at least for a few days, and if it gets cold, an outdoor heater and spare propane bottles to get me through.
I don't know if the big one is coming or when and the people of Howard don't know if that thunderstorm coming through will have a tornado in it that will hit their house. But, our tax dollars will be there hopefully to get us through a disaster. OUR TAX DOLLARS WILL HELP THOSE WHO NEED IT NO MATTER WHAT STATE THEY LIVE IN OR WHAT KIND OF DISASTER HAPPENS.
My point was that we are the UNITED STATES which means we are as one and can be united together to help each other out. The people that were in the Twin Towers didn't have a lot of time to duck those planes, but our tax dollars went to help those families affected including the rescue workers who could see a disaster happening.
Larryj
Billy, as far as Katrina, Rita and Ike, there were also people who weren't about to have anyone tell them what to do, especially "them government types"( like somebody else I know,) and their principles cost them their lives.
It's good that there are Americans to stand on principles,
don't you think?
Most of the time. In that case though standing on their principles didn't keep their heads out of the water. Please think of the police and firefighter/ EMTs who have to go deal with those awful dead bodies. If they didn't care for themselves, I wish they would have considered us.
larryJ, as to preparing enough...when you think you have enough, triple it. Then get more for trading for what you forgot. Link up with neighbors so that you can establish a group, but be selective. Also, if evacuation is needed, be aware of less traveled "backroads". Want to know more, then drop me a line.
I understand that there will alway be those incapable of caring for themselves (eldery, sick, children etc). That is where advanced, local planning comes in. There was none for katrina.
Diane, as for principles, I value mine as much as my freedom. Without my principles, what do I have?
As for civil service types, wasn't it the law enforcement officers who locked those "katrina" folks in the stadium? Wasn't it the National Guard working with local L.E. officers who disarmed the citizens and allowed lawless to run rampant? Was it not FEMA who turned back truckloads of needed food, water, fuel, clothes, med.s etc?
Sorry, but the last couple of years have eroded my trust in governmental types.
Billy, most of the back roads around here just lead to more back roads. Do you by any chance live in a rural area?
Yes, I live in Elk county kansas, I don't think it gets much more rual than that, except maybe alaska (lived there to).
You're right though, alot of our backroads lead, literally, to nowhere. I was referring to second hand roads, old state highways, side streets, etc. These are less likely to be jammed during mass evacuations than main interstate, freeways, and bypasses. Also, less traffic means more less competion for fuel.
The police in New Orleans have corruption, have had for a long time, but certainly not everyone. Some made some very dumb moves, and some left their posts and were fired later. It was the National Guard who turned the trucks away on the bridges because they didn't have orders to let them through and the state officials who turned away teams of surgeons because they didn't have licenses to practice in La.!! Now how dumb was that! The docs were totally self contained, food, water, everything, so they would not have impacted any local resources. I have one EMT friend who went down a few days later and was assigned to a unit, who after triage, cleaned wounds and gave tetanus shots. Boy, did he bring back stories. Except for at the height of the storm, nobody was locked in the dome. It was erroneously reported that there were rapes and assaults and massive out breaks of violence in the dome....not so. A few scuffles, not much of anything. The main problems were the heat, lack of meds, a shortage of water and lack of bathrooms once the sewer systems were overrun. People seemed to think the dome was to be a long term shelter. Not so. It was only set up to be a short term "shelter in place" situation until the storm had passed. They didn't have supplies for more than that. There were a lot of mistakes made. One of the biggest was made by people who could have easily gone but chose to ride it out because they had before. Then they told all the local bus drivers to go, and left empty buses behind. They sent the trains out too....empty.Totally ridiculous.
I think I need to correct myself. I mentioned that a mass evacuation would be a nightmare. Actually, if the "big one" hits, there won't be a mass evacuation as there would not be a total devastation of the county of Los Angeles. There is no way that the entire population of this county (almost five times the entire population of the state of Kansas) could leave town all at the same time. Just wouldn't happen. Besides, there are few back roads out of town. We got mountains to the east, mountains to the north, a large chunk of water to the west and a big desert to the south. And if the "big one" is really huge, there won't be a county of Los Angeles. I remember a sargeant I had in my old Army days. He was from Texas. He told me he was buying up all the land he could in Arizona and New Mexico so when California falls into the ocean he will have a lot of beach front property.
The point I was trying to make was that the tax dollars we pay should help the entire country in a disaster. I think here in this thread you or someone said that states should take care of themselves. I started thinking about something while debating this in my head. What if the United States were not states, but territorys like Canada or say Australia. Can you imagine instead of fifty states maybe having a district for each time zone? Too much for this old head to contemplate. How would disaster relief work in that situation? Larryj
Adding a post script here. The general assumption is that one should have enough to sustain them for two weeks. Then you double that to cover for your friend who didn't bother to set anything aside. Then, you add more for the guy down the street that you don't like, but you aren't going to let his family starve. At this point you will have run out of storage space. All kidding aside, you are correct, Billy, be overly prepared. There can never be enough so you may have to depend on the government that you don't have much faith in for the last two years to keep you alive.
Larryj
Except for local help, don't expect anything for 4 days. Then be ready to be self sufficient for for 2 weeks, even longer is better. Houston did a great Job last summer.
Larry, the only people I will depend on to keep my family alive is me and my family. All (well, those who are old enough) of us know how to shoot, hunt, fish, and I'm teaching my wife and kids how to trap and scavenge and identify wild edible plants.
WOW!!! you are on fire today, Billy. I can hardly keep up with all your posts. That is a good thing.
It is also a good thing that you are teaching your family how to survive "in the wild" so to speak. My hat is off to you and anyone else that is prepared to live with what you have or can get from nature. When I was growing up, I lived in many different places that were small like Howard. I actually lived in one place that was a lumber camp on top of a mountain in Wyoming where deer and antelope and an occasional bear roamed freely. You could literally catch your daily limit of fresh trout within a half of a mile of the house. So I am aware of living off the land. Unfortunately, I now live where the rivers (they are called washes) run in a concrete channel when there is water. If there was a fish in there still alive I wouldn't want to eat it. Firing a weapon is frowned upon especially on New Year's Eve. And, the only edible plants to eat are those planted in a small garden next to my house.
So, yeah, it is great to be prepared and even better to live in an area where being prepared to live off the land is plausible. But, living in an urban area the size that I live in, it is back to storing water and canned goods and hoping that will be sufficient until someone can help.
Larryj
Larry, you'd be surprised at the plethora (i love that word) of resources you have in an urban area. You should find the books "Rough living grubby times" and "everyones outdoor survival guide". they give much more detail. They are written by Don Paul, an ex Green Beret. You can probably find them on Amazon.
Nothing in my budget about buying books! However, we have a "plethora" of libraries around here with many branches so I will check on those titles you mentioned. Thanks. Hey, remember the bandito chief in the movie "Three Amigos"-------He liked the word Plethora also. My kids loved that movie so I got to watch it over and over.
I think there are books on Suburban Survival also. But, in the event there is a disaster of huge consequence, (wow! I can spell consequence) I am confident that we will survive on what we have. We have tried to look at a situation like that as comparable to an extended camping vacation. We used to be great campers until we got older and decided motels with hot tubs and pools and free breakfast were better than tents and sleeping bags.
I will look for the books and thanks again. Larryj
Euell Gibbons would be proud.