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General Category => The Coffee Shop => Topic started by: W. Gray on April 20, 2009, 03:31:56 PM

Title: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: W. Gray on April 20, 2009, 03:31:56 PM
I just read in the Prairie Star about the Chautauqua County jail being closed by the state fire marshal and six county prisoners are now being held in the Elk County jail at $1,000 per month per prisoner. The Chautauqua County sheriff is encouraging these fellows to bond out so that the county can eliminate that expense. Apparently, none of them have the means to do so.

This reminds me of a story in the Elk County history book about the Howard County sheriff using the Allen County jail at Iola to house prisoners. He would have to take his prisoner from Elk Falls to Iola for incarceration (78 miles one-way by today's shortest section road route).

When the prisoner was needed in Elk Falls for court or whatever, the sheriff would ride to Iola, retrieve him, and lock him up in a boarding house room while he was in town. Howard County had no jail in Elk Falls and Elk Falls did not have a town jail.

Since there were no railroads, the distance of 78 miles would mean it would take at least two days on the trail to transport a prisoner either to or from Iola. Seems like being on the trail would have been a good time to try an escape but only one prisoner is reported to have escaped and that was from the boarding house in Elk Falls rather than from being out in the open. (Maybe the sheriff hogtied the prisoner and put him in the back of a wagon?)

Sheriff Janet answered some questions about the Elk County jail on this forum once, but I don't think I asked her how today's Elk County prisoners get fed.

Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: Tobina+1 on April 20, 2009, 03:58:34 PM
Well, I don't know how they get fed once they're in the EK jail, but apparently on the way there they get quite a treat... on Friday at noon we saw 2 CQ cops and 1 inmate eating at the pizza buffet at Poplar!
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: Wilma on April 20, 2009, 04:06:39 PM
Janet used to carry in the noon meal for the prisoners, but breakfast and the evening meal were prepared in the jail kitchen.  The county pays the sheriff so much per meal that is served and the sheriff pays for all supplies and meals that are carried in.  I don't know how they do it now.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: W. Gray on April 20, 2009, 04:10:16 PM
I never would have thought they would have a kitchen (rather than an outside contract) but perhaps that is the cheapest way to go about it.

That would mean they have a jail chef or perhaps a deputy acts as the cook.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: sixdogsmom on April 20, 2009, 05:04:33 PM
Now that would be something to aspire to, the Elk County Jail chef!  :police: :police:
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: W. Gray on April 20, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
Who knows, that could be one of the best kept job secrets in the county.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: Wilma on April 20, 2009, 07:44:35 PM
When the jail was built it was taken care of by the sheriff and his wife.  They lived in the apartment in the building and shared the kitchen with the jail.  The wife did all the cooking, most of the dispatching and the other things that went along with being a homemaker.  Of course, they never had many prisoners at one time and it was part of the requirements of being the sheriff that he live in the apartment.  Gradually as time went on, and a new sheriff, there were more and more prisoners and since the sheriff's wife had a job of her own, it fell to the dispatchers to take care of the cooking.  I think that was when part of the meals were ordered in.  The day dispatcher simply did not have the time to prepare the noon meal and take care of her dispatcher duties, too.

Then when Janet became sheriff, she began taking in prisoners from other counties for which the county was paid.  The county still paid the sheriff the going rate for the meals served.  The county made money off the prisoners from other counties.  I don't know if the current sheriff is still boarding prisoners other than when necessary, as it is now, to help out a neighboring county.   I believe the rate being paid to Elk County is less than what is required at most other jails for boarding out of county prisoners.  Also, the current sheriff does not live at the jail.  I don't know how night calls are handled since it was so easy to get Janet up if necessary, while now, the sheriff has to be called, then wait for him to get to the jail.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: W. Gray on April 20, 2009, 07:56:52 PM
When I was a boy, I recall seeing the old sheriff's apartment and jail on what is now the south lawn of the courthouse.

Then on one trip to Howard it was gone and I assume they built the new jail about the same time.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: Wilma on April 20, 2009, 09:05:23 PM
The new jail sets on the east side of the courthouse.  I don't know just when it was built there as it is the only one I remember.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: pepelect on April 23, 2009, 01:13:58 AM
Why don't we build a bigger jail out of the old school building and house more out of county prisoners? 

First use prison labor to remodel it.

Then use prisoners to finance it. 
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: Varmit on April 23, 2009, 05:45:42 PM
Thats not a bad idea, except for the part about prisoners building it.  I don't want criminals building the cages that we are supposed to put them in, gives me doubts about the craftsmanship.  But we could use folks from elk county to build it, would be putting money back into the county.  Also, we could take a lesson from sheriff Joe Arpaio ( I love that guy) and offer the "residents" a choice of diet.  They get 3 bologna sandwiches a day, their choice of apple, pear, or peach with each meal.  All three types can be grown right here in elk county.  What would be nice is if we could get some landowners to donate an acre or two (in return they get a tax cut) that could be used to grow and raise the fruits and turkey to feed the inmates.

Also, any surplus, could be sold, with the money going to cover costs of running the jail.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: Tobina+1 on April 24, 2009, 07:34:02 AM
The work farm situation is something they do in KY, I believe.  I think they have 4-5 farms that inmates work on and learn how to farm and ranch.  They provide a lot of the food to the prison system, then, too.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: W. Gray on April 24, 2009, 12:56:48 PM
I have not received my paper yet, but I am assuming the couple arrested in Cedar Vale for having pipe bombs, drugs, and homemade silencers are now residing in the Elk County jail.
Title: Re: Chautauqua County Prisoners
Post by: kshillbillys on April 24, 2009, 09:21:25 PM
Montgomery County uses trustees sent with a guard to garden and weed and use the food from the garden in the jail. My husband used to work there so we know that's fact. Anything that helps to save money should be utilized.