I had an interesting conservation with a customer at the store today. She was buying Organic Milk. I simply asked a question why? I am not judging the purchase but I want to know what would make someone buy something that is 4 times higher than the plain old white stuff. I was told there was no hormones in it. Hormones are bad and every nonorganic product is bad for me and especially my children.
I want facts.....Is there truth to the fact that bovine growth hormone is present in pasturized milk?
Is this bad for us?
Is there a reason hormones are used besides growth or putting entire herd in sink?
How does this cause my five year old to have to ware a bra?
Is production beef cattle injected with this nasty evil chemical killing our youth, making us dumber, or am I missing the arguement?
I am all for home grown, unengineered products but who will pay $15 for a pound of beef. $14 for a gallon of milk. We have been naturally selecting for bigger loins, more milk production, and faster growth for generations. Where does the magic start and the science stop. People are bigger now than we were 200 years ago... Does that mean that we have been geneticly modified?
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I heard on TV today that milk cannot be advertised as containing no growth hormones as it cannot be proven in a laboratory. And I have yet to see anything that proves to me that growth hormones can be passed through the meat, milk, etc. that we eat.
I don't call that stuff they sell in the stores milk. Even the organic stuff. First of all, organic was hijacked by the government and they allow a certain percentage of chemicals and stuff and still allow them to sell it as organic. I only get naturally grown products as that is a whole lot stricter in that nothing can be used that is not naturally produced.
Secondly that stuff they call milk is dead. Once you pasturize it to 180 deg nothing in it is worth drinking. You cannot assimilate the calcium in milk unless you have the enzymes in it to go with it and those enzymes are destroyed by heat.
Third the pasturization process destroys the natural vitamins in milk so they add manufactured vitamins to replace them. Those aren't near as good as the natural ones.
I'll have to see if I can dig up the article, but I read a study that the hormones in milk was causing girls to mature sooner and start having periods sooner. Maybe that why girls in jr. high school these days look like they ought to be in college? I don't know. I'll have to see if I can dig it up. But you have to know that hormones do indeed go through the milk, after all, when a woman has a baby and she's nursing the baby, we're always warned that little boy babies will tend to get "boobs" for a few weeks while nursing due to the high levels of estrogen in the milk until the hormones level out. So, that right there proves that the hormones do indeed go into the milk.
I agree that pasturized milk, you're really not getting much out of it. By the time the milk is done being pasturized it's pretty much dead. But for safety's sake, if it worries you to drink raw milk, then pasturized is better. But pretty much everything goes into the milk. That's why on chemical wormers they have "milk and slaughter withdrawal" times.
My BIL runs a feed lot and they have to use the hormones in beef cattle or you just can't get them up to weight fast enough to make any kind of profit on them. They're convinced that there are no hormones in the meat. I don't know. I think I would rather grow out a cow the slow way and have it all natural. shrug
Perhaps those curious about growth hormones, organic foods, and other food-production methods will find this link useful:
http://www.feedstuffsfoodlink.com/ME2/Default.asp
Yes, growth hormone is in milk. Even organic milk. It is naturally produced from cows. What organic has to put on the labels now is "no ARTIFICIAL growth hormones". Which also may mean that they can give additional growth hormones to the cows, but they are created from natural ones.
I believe that milk is more affected by what the cows eat than the meat. Ever been in an FFA dairy contest? They make you taste milk from cows fed all sorts of things, and it does alter the taste of the milk. Even the difference between grain-fed and grass-fed milk is apparent in the color and taste. (Also, I thought that babies get "boobs" (and other fatty deposits) because of the high fat content in the milk during the first few weeks? Similar to cow's colostrum milk?)
Which also brings me to the question about beef... the taste of beef is also affected by the animal's diet. Grass-fed beef and grain-fed beef have different flavors. Some people have a high preference of one over the other.
But, as for any of the growth hormones, they are digested in the rumen (cow's stomach) and actually just aid in the ability of the animal to put on muscle (similar to steroids). A lot of the common feed additives that are used in feedlots are really just feeding the "bugs" in the rumen. The bugs have to have certain nutrients to help them be better able to break down the starches and proteins that the cattle needs to utlize it (and make muscle).
As for the discussion on girls maturing faster... I don't think that hormones in food can completely be to blame. I think society also causes girls to mature faster... the TV shows that are on now (kissing and worse), music, magazines, etc. In animal science, we learned that heifers (immature cows) that are put with a bull actually come into heat (menstrual cycle) earlier than a similar set of heifers that are kept away from bulls. That the exposure to testosterone actually creates higher levels of estrogen.
Results of this study indicate that there are few and
minor differences in the composition of conventional,
rbST-free, or organic labeled milk, and that all milk is
wholesome. These conclusions are based on specific analytes
that represent milk quality and nutrients and hormones
found in all milk. It is important to appreciate that
rbST use does not affect milk composition, and that all
milk (ie, conventional, rbST-free, and organic) is compositionally
similar. Food and nutrition professionals are
well-positioned to communicate this information to the
public.
Funding for this study was provided by Monsanto Company,
LC.
Ok. So I did some homework......Conclusion: MILK IS MILK.
organic milk is better if you feel it is.....rbST-Free is better if you feel it is........conventional is cheapest.......
And for the little bit that I put in my coffee first thing in the morning and the little bit that goes on my O's, what comes out of a can is good enough for me and keeps better.
Quote from: pepelect on November 14, 2008, 07:28:05 PM
Results of this study indicate that there are few and
minor differences in the composition of conventional,
rbST-free, or organic labeled milk, and that all milk is
wholesome. These conclusions are based on specific analytes
that represent milk quality and nutrients and hormones
found in all milk. It is important to appreciate that
rbST use does not affect milk composition, and that all
milk (ie, conventional, rbST-free, and organic) is compositionally
similar. Food and nutrition professionals are
well-positioned to communicate this information to the
public.
Funding for this study was provided by Monsanto Company,
LC.
Ok. So I did some homework......Conclusion: MILK IS MILK.
organic milk is better if you feel it is.....rbST-Free is better if you feel it is........conventional is cheapest.......
UHmm monsanto the company who brought us lawsuits if their GMO stuff crosses with our heirloom crops.
LOL pep if that stuff you call milk was so good for us how come we are the largest consumers of milk in this country yet have the highest rate of osteoporosis. Says a lot about store bought milk :)
Osteoporsis is also brought on by lack of exercise and I think you have to agree that we are the most inactive nation around, too.
Quote from: Wilma on November 14, 2008, 10:24:54 PM
Osteoporsis is also brought on by lack of exercise and I think you have to agree that we are the most inactive nation around, too.
Yes that is true. I got that information though from my doctor when we were discussing the fact that i drink raw milk.
He agreed with me that if i can get it raw that it is a whole lot better for you than the pasturized homogonized .... milk they sell in the store. We both agreed that it can be bad if one doesn't use sanitary methods and keep the livestock healthy.
i Know that my surgery last year i healed far faster in bone repairs than i had from a previous surgery because i was able to assimilate the calcium faster and more efficiently due to the enzymes and bacterias in the milk that occur naturally. It led on to osteoporosis and
bone density being affected by not being able to absorb it.
I have to admit though, i don't relish the idea of milking every morning when its 10 deg outside! LOL. Hmm need to build me a heater for the milk barn. :P
If organic milk is being sold for $14.00 someone is taking the public to the cleaners and making a huge profit. I just bought a gallon of organic milk yesterday and paid $1.98. Most grocery stores have organic products and the price is no more then .50 cents to a dollar higher.
I also buy hamburger with only 4 to 8% percent fat and yes it cost a little more.
Army Mom
If you can get milk at $1.98 a gallon retail, then I would like to purchase 10,000 gallons......Delivered to Howard, Kansas. Most organic products are aleast double the price of regular.
I own a grocery store with a 10 percent mark up on produce and less than that on milk.......We have 93% hamburger that we grind fresh every day.....you get what you pay for. If you don't pay for it don't complain about it.
GMO crop issues have nothing to do with milk production. If the NRA sponsored research on the growth of a spider in Paris would you discount the results because you like or dislike assault rifles?
If you don't want the people in the area to drink processed milk than fine we will quit selling it. We will wait until your 500 gallon a week dairy is finished and is full production before we close up shop. Remember the shelf life of raw milk means you have to milk three times a day with fully distributed product and complete production before the next shift begins. People won't shop at night so good luck. We also need 357lbs of cheese, and cheese products, cream, dips, yogurt, and buttermilk. All of this for less than $1.98 a gallon.
Pep, I think she made a type-o. ;)
Quote from: pepelect on November 15, 2008, 08:59:37 PM
If you can get milk at $1.98 a gallon retail, then I would like to purchase 10,000 gallons......Delivered to Howard, Kansas. Most organic products are aleast double the price of regular.
I own a grocery store with a 10 percent mark up on produce and less than that on milk.......We have 93% hamburger that we grind fresh every day.....you get what you pay for. If you don't pay for it don't complain about it.
You know your processed milk isn't bad. I just don't use it myself cause its processed.
QuoteIf you don't want the people in the area to drink processed milk than fine we will quit selling it.
I never said i did. :)
Daughter won't buy hamburger anywhere except at Family Market and it is better hamburger. She also prefers to buy her milk there as it is cheaper than anywhere else she shops.
That is what I am asking....What are you afraid of in processed milk? Not getting sick? You like skimming off the cream? Is it the taste or the lack there of?
I have tried the soy milk, organic, goat, and antibiotic free. Not a reason in any of them to pay the difference to drink it on my cereal. I grew up on whole raw milk. I want to know if there is a reason no one drinks fresh. If you raise it will it sell? Would the fresh cream novelty ware off before the loan is paid off?
If you are willing to grind wheat for flour then why are there still trees around the area when we haven't had a lumberyard for over 20 years?
There are over 10 thousand cattle feed in the area every year yet there isn't a slaughter house with in 70 miles.
There are over 10 thousand cattle feed in the area every year yet there isn't a slaughter house with in 70 miles.
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That has been my point for some time now...you have the product, in mass quantities...why has there been no movement on the part of the producers to do what it takes to bring in a federally inspected meat processing plant to the area? If you were to do what it takes to entice one to position themselves in the area, you would attract producers from at least a two state region.
Quote from: pepelect on November 15, 2008, 10:01:22 PM
That is what I am asking....What are you afraid of in processed milk? Not getting sick? You like skimming off the cream? Is it the taste or the lack there of?
First of all there is no taste in process milk. Its like drinking water. second is I am not kidding in that processed milk is
dead. Milk is a food not just a drink. The body cannot assimilate the calcium in the milk without the enzymes that
come with it or magnesium in the milk. Sure they add vitamins after the processing to replace the ones they destroy
but its not the same as the natural vitamins that come in it and they can't replace the enzymes and good bacteria in the milk.
I have never been sick off of raw milk. There are some dairys out there that sell raw milk but its getting far and few between.
QuoteI have tried the soy milk, organic, goat, and antibiotic free. Not a reason in any of them to pay the difference to drink it on my cereal. I grew up on whole raw milk. I want to know if there is a reason no one drinks fresh. If you raise it will it sell? Would the fresh cream novelty ware off before the loan is paid off?
I agree organic is just a label. Organic producers are allowed to use chemical treatments on the goats, and don't have to feed them 100% pure naturally grown product. IF you get naturally Grown produce and milk products then your getting a higher quality product as its done with no chemical fertilizer/feed/ ect.
The only reason no one drinks fresh is that its not available and Kansas makes it darn near impossible to get. I can sell raw milk all day long if you come and get it from me. but it has to be on farm sales. I can sell rabbits here all day long but they have to be sold live, and IF you ask me to kill it for you theni can kill it but i cannot skin it or cut it up for you.
QuoteIf you are willing to grind wheat for flour then why are there still trees around the area when we haven't had a lumberyard for over 20 years?
Huh? LOL that made no sense :D
Sure wish we did have a lumber mill nearby.
QuoteThere are over 10 thousand cattle feed in the area every year yet there isn't a slaughter house with in 70 miles.
Good question.
Yes, in fact I said a gallon of milk when it is a 1/2 of gallon of milk. I drink processed milk,I was raised on raw milk and have not been sick from either.
Army mom
The lack of a meat processing plant in the area and a whole lot of other things is the lack of a reliable and sufficient water supply. Fix that and they WILL come.
Quote from: pepelect on November 15, 2008, 10:01:22 PM
That is what I am asking....What are you afraid of in processed milk? Not getting sick? You like skimming off the cream? Is it the taste or the lack there of?
I drink store milk, but my kids drink raw goats milk when the goats are milking. The reason we drink it is because I own the goats and I get my milk for the cost of my labor. ;D
Raw milk is always going to have more nutrients in it than heat treated milk, the same way raw veggies have more nutrients than heat cooked vegies. Heat kills. It's just that simple. It not only kills the bad, but kills the good as well.
QuoteI have tried the soy milk, organic, goat, and antibiotic free. Not a reason in any of them to pay the difference to drink it on my cereal. I grew up on whole raw milk. I want to know if there is a reason no one drinks fresh. If you raise it will it sell? Would the fresh cream novelty ware off before the loan is paid off?
I know a lot of dairies that sell raw milk and make a killing off of it. We're becoming a very organic, naturally grown, no chemicals wanted please kind of society. And people are even getting to the point now where they want their meat and milk to come from grass fed only animals. They don't even want the animals to have grain. Kind of hard to keep a dairy animal going on grass only, but that's what people want.
QuoteThere are over 10 thousand cattle feed in the area every year yet there isn't a slaughter house with in 70 miles.
Uhm, cause we don't want Elk county to smell like Dodge City? ;D
Part of the reason could be is most of the feed lots in western Kansas grow their own feed for the cattle that they're fattening. Not much in the way of grain fields around here. A few, but nothing like Western Kansas. So, any feed lots around here would have to buy grain to fatten the cattle. Hard to say though. And there's really no feed lots out in this part of the state. No feed lots tends to not attract slaughter houses and visa versa. This part of the state is almost entirely cow/calf operations, then they're all shipped to Western Kansas to the feed lots and from there to the slaughter houses.
Really there are cow/calf producers around here? Are they the ones with the muddy boots that drive around all day through town with there cute little horsey trailers. I just thought we were on a rodeo circuit route.
So if there is not enough feed to feed cattle then how are we supposed to get milk? If the market is wanting grass fed beef, which it doesn't, then why would we need to feed them grain if we have grass. There would be no need to send them to the feed yard. The market wants lean, palatable, and juicy. That is hard to produce on grass. It takes a pasture with 3-5 acres per head about 18 months to get large enough to eat. Pastures don't produce grass 18months so where is Texas are you going to winter them. When is the cattle drive to begin because driving them in a truck in not very green. You better plan on about a month based on the 1840's speed. In a feed lot that would be 90 days.
We have no dairies close enough to provide us with cow juice organic or natural. Transportation is the biggest issue of any commody. If you have a raw material you have to get it to the market where ever that happens to be. There are huge dairies that are built in Kansas because they have figured out it is cheaper to move the finished product than haul the feed. It costs you the same dollar for fuel to haul 50klbs of grain or 50klbs of milk.
If you have a consumer that only wants the cheapest not the best then you are going to get foods and services that are cheap and inferior.
Natural is a great word. Horse shit is all natural, lots of digestable whole grains, full of vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Recyle, reuse, reduce, reruminate!
Quote from: pepelect on November 16, 2008, 11:31:20 AM
We have no dairies close enough to provide us with cow juice organic or natural. Transportation is the biggest issue of any commody. If you have a raw material you have to get it to the market where ever that happens to be. There are huge dairies that are built in Kansas because they have figured out it is cheaper to move the finished product than haul the feed. It costs you the same dollar for fuel to haul 50klbs of grain or 50klbs of milk.
well theres one i saw about 40 miles from here but its one reason i don't want to drink the store stuff. One thing about commercial milk, you get all the milk taken that day from healthy as well as sick cattle.
QuoteIf you have a consumer that only wants the cheapest not the best then you are going to get foods and services that are cheap and inferior.
Not necessarily. I buy philadelphia brand cream cheese not the cheap no name stuff, olive oil to cook in instead of that corn oil things like that. There are some things better to buy the more expensive stuff than the cheap stuff. Milk is another item.
QuoteNatural is a great word. Horse shit is all natural, lots of digestable whole grains, full of vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Recyle, reuse, reduce, reruminate!
Yeah but horse crap that contains non organic feeds and suppliments from ingestion is not organic :P
I do not know what the argument is, but everyone has their own taste in food and the name brands they use. I think to keep pelting everyone with whether it is good or not is being childish.
Army Mom
AGREED!!!!
I buy 2% milk. I do not drink milk as I cannot have milk products - but everyone in my house drinks it and has no problem. I also buy soy chocolate milk, Billy says it tastes better than regular chocolate milk - and he's the boss.
Drink or eat whatever kind of milk you like and shutup.
When I think of raw milk, I see it in the bucket in which it has just been milked from the cow, along with whatever trash has managed to find it's way into the bucket. This includes bits and pieces from the cow's flicking tail. Of course the milk was strained to get the trash out, but does straining get out whatever germs had been clinging to the trash. Unless you have a milking machine that can seal out the trash, then your raw milk is likely to have some unhealthy bits in it that can't be strained out.
I was raised on raw milk, too. We didn't have a separator, so my mother would skim the cream to save to sell in town. The taste of the milk depended on what the cow had been eating. Pasture grass was just fine, but if she happened to get into the green wheat field, it wasn't so nice.
I am childish. Rude...etc. I could go on for hours nan nan da boo boo
Should we have more of a selection of natural whole foods? My first question/point was if you are willing to buy organic milk are you needing other organic products?
This is not an argument. I pelt about every thing. I never shutup. I am the boss.........
..............................................................................until she wakes up.
Now, now...Patrick, we all love you...you're an original...God broke all 12 molds on you! lol
Quote from: pepelect on November 16, 2008, 11:31:20 AM
Really there are cow/calf producers around here? Are they the ones with the muddy boots that drive around all day through town with there cute little horsey trailers. I just thought we were on a rodeo circuit route.
So if there is not enough feed to feed cattle then how are we supposed to get milk? If the market is wanting grass fed beef, which it doesn't, then why would we need to feed them grain if we have grass. There would be no need to send them to the feed yard. The market wants lean, palatable, and juicy. That is hard to produce on grass. It takes a pasture with 3-5 acres per head about 18 months to get large enough to eat. Pastures don't produce grass 18months so where is Texas are you going to winter them. When is the cattle drive to begin because driving them in a truck in not very green. You better plan on about a month based on the 1840's speed. In a feed lot that would be 90 days.
We have no dairies close enough to provide us with cow juice organic or natural. Transportation is the biggest issue of any commody. If you have a raw material you have to get it to the market where ever that happens to be. There are huge dairies that are built in Kansas because they have figured out it is cheaper to move the finished product than haul the feed. It costs you the same dollar for fuel to haul 50klbs of grain or 50klbs of milk.
If you have a consumer that only wants the cheapest not the best then you are going to get foods and services that are cheap and inferior.
Natural is a great word. Horse shit is all natural, lots of digestable whole grains, full of vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Recyle, reuse, reduce, reruminate!
That's why we raise our own milk and don't buy it! ROTFL
And if you think people aren't interested in natural, you better look around. It's becoming a might hot topic these days! But those people aren't going to come into your store and ask for it. They look at the "Whole Foods" stores for it or go straight to the producers themselves and I know personally from inquiries from people who contact me that yes there is a big interest in meat and milk from grass fed only animals. There may not be much of a call for it in Elk county, but that doesn't surprise me. You have to go the cities to find those people. They're the same ones that think that brown eggs are better for you than white eggs. ;)
If you really want better and you want to know exactly what is going into your food, than you raise it and kill it yourself. But that can also turn you off what you eat. LOL Most city people don't want to see what they're meat was before it was put into pretty little packages. :P
Quote from: Catwoman on November 16, 2008, 03:46:27 PM
Now, now...Patrick, we all love you...you're an original...God broke all 12 molds on you! lol
Thank God for that. hehe
We HAVE quite a few small lockers around the area (Family Tree and the one in Fredonia pop to mind). Whether they're federally inspected or not, I don't know, but I imagine they would if they had the need. My parents use a very small packing plant to process all the beef they sell, and it's federally inspected. The USDA guy comes once a week, and that's when my parents schedule their cattle for processing. Also, what makes you think a packing plant could survive here if the one in Emporia shut down earlier this year? Why not support more of the local businesses we already have, rather than trying to recreate the wheel and argue about creating new ones? So, Steve and Sarah have "organic" milk... maybe there are some people in Elk County who can help them become inspected (or whatever it takes) and then Family Market can stock some of their shelves with locally grown products? Yes, there will still be the need for "store bought" milk (people who can't afford it or who don't like the taste), but that's why it's called "niche marketing".
Instead of arguing against each other on which tastes better (completely an opinionated argument that no one will win) and which is "better" for you (again, somewhat of an opinionated argument these days... could probably come up with the same amount of research for both arguments), why not figure out how to get products to people who want them?
I still buy my Lactaid milk at the W store b/c the non-dairy stuff that FM sells is NOT good (in MY opinion, but if it's on the shelf, then someone is buying it and that's OK). I buy Silk chocolate, though, and I bet Chuck would rival Billy in a milk drinking contest of that stuff! :D If I could drink regular milk, I'd try the all natural stuff just to see what it's like. It's rare to have that available these days.
Quote from: Tobina on November 17, 2008, 12:25:09 PM
We HAVE quite a few small lockers around the area (Family Tree and the one in Fredonia pop to mind). Whether they're federally inspected or not, I don't know, but I imagine they would if they had the need. My parents use a very small packing plant to process all the beef they sell, and it's federally inspected. The USDA guy comes once a week, and that's when my parents schedule their cattle for processing. Also, what makes you think a packing plant could survive here if the one in Emporia shut down earlier this year? Why not support more of the local businesses we already have, rather than trying to recreate the wheel and argue about creating new ones? So, Steve and Sarah have "organic" milk... maybe there are some people in Elk County who can help them become inspected (or whatever it takes) and then Family Market can stock some of their shelves with locally grown products? Yes, there will still be the need for "store bought" milk (people who can't afford it or who don't like the taste), but that's why it's called "niche marketing".
Instead of arguing against each other on which tastes better (completely an opinionated argument that no one will win) and which is "better" for you (again, somewhat of an opinionated argument these days... could probably come up with the same amount of research for both arguments), why not figure out how to get products to people who want them?
I still buy my Lactaid milk at the W store b/c the non-dairy stuff that FM sells is NOT good (in MY opinion, but if it's on the shelf, then someone is buying it and that's OK). I buy Silk chocolate, though, and I bet Chuck would rival Billy in a milk drinking contest of that stuff! :D If I could drink regular milk, I'd try the all natural stuff just to see what it's like. It's rare to have that available these days.
I have trouble drinking cows milk, it causes acid reflux. But with goats milk i don't get that at all and it stops the reflux. I found out the reaosn why is that cows milk is acid based milk and goats is a alkalai based milk.
One of my sons is allergic to all milk products and corn products. Now try finding food for someone like that these days. LOL. But goats milk was a lifesaver for him.
My wife has a similar problem.
She uses soy milk, especially with cereal.
Quote from: Tobina on November 17, 2008, 12:25:09 PM
We HAVE quite a few small lockers around the area (Family Tree and the one in Fredonia pop to mind). Whether they're federally inspected or not, I don't know, but I imagine they would if they had the need. My parents use a very small packing plant to process all the beef they sell, and it's federally inspected. The USDA guy comes once a week, and that's when my parents schedule their cattle for processing. Also, what makes you think a packing plant could survive here if the one in Emporia shut down earlier this year? Why not support more of the local businesses we already have, rather than trying to recreate the wheel and argue about creating new ones? So, Steve and Sarah have "organic" milk... maybe there are some people in Elk County who can help them become inspected (or whatever it takes) and then Family Market can stock some of their shelves with locally grown products? Yes, there will still be the need for "store bought" milk (people who can't afford it or who don't like the taste), but that's why it's called "niche marketing".
Instead of arguing against each other on which tastes better (completely an opinionated argument that no one will win) and which is "better" for you (again, somewhat of an opinionated argument these days... could probably come up with the same amount of research for both arguments), why not figure out how to get products to people who want them?
I still buy my Lactaid milk at the W store b/c the non-dairy stuff that FM sells is NOT good (in MY opinion, but if it's on the shelf, then someone is buying it and that's OK). I buy Silk chocolate, though, and I bet Chuck would rival Billy in a milk drinking contest of that stuff! :D If I could drink regular milk, I'd try the all natural stuff just to see what it's like. It's rare to have that available these days.
We didn't get into it because we wanted to market it or because we necessarily thought it was better, but more for the fact to become and self sufficient as possible, to supply our own meat, our own milk and our own cheese, our own eggs, whatever. The more we raise ourselves, the more money we save. We only sell when we have excess. We looked into becoming licensed by the state and it is an absolute nightmare!! I can tell you why there are very few commercial goat dairies.
You're right in that it's all a matter of tastes. :) Some people like it, some don't. And a lot of it depends on what the girls have been out browsing in, but we've never had milk that was bad, but raw milk does like to turn to cheese fairly quickly. LOL
I think the main reason why there's no huge processing plants around here is the lack of water. That was one draw back for us on getting licensed by the state. Not enough water and we can't haul in enough water without it costing a fortune in gas. If/when they ever get rural water run in, then it might be worth looking at again, but even then, I would hate to put a strain on the already short supply of water we have out here. :)
Until then, we'll keep milking our critters and raising them for the table and sharing when we have too much and keeping our own family well stocked. :) That was our goal in the first place. :)
Griesels have their eggs or chickens inspected. They have a license and sell their eggs at P & J's. I'm not sure how that works or if it costs.
Tobina, one of Billy's hunting friends made fun of him the other night for drinking the soy chocolate milk. He said he should just go suck on a bean sprout!
Quote from: CDBL on November 18, 2008, 09:05:57 AM
Griesels have their eggs or chickens inspected. They have a license and sell their eggs at P & J's. I'm not sure how that works or if it costs.
Tobina, one of Billy's hunting friends made fun of him the other night for drinking the soy chocolate milk. He said he should just go suck on a bean sprout!
We can get the license too, they dont inspect the eggs or chickens at all. THey just issue a license and you buy the tax stamps.