I sit here this mornin in a weird state......depending on who you talk to we are on the verge of either great times for America or horrible things are fixin to happen. To my thinkin this election shows just how little things have actually changed and how MUCH things have changed. Even 30..hell even 20 years ago a "black" man wouldn't have had a snowballs chance in hell of becomin president.....and "white" people all over the country are hidin under the bed cause now one is and they are as scared of it as the slave-owners were scared of uprisings 150 years ago. Some "black" people are rejoicing because MLKs dream has finally come to pass and some are rejoicing because 150 years ago they would've been the ones havin an uprising.
Yesterday when they thought they were gonna win the republicans were talkin about how the democrats were figurin ways to say the election was rigged....now that they've lost THEY are sayin the election was rigged......
Now we will see just how "enlightened" this country really is no matter WHAT color you are, even with all the "oh my god the "socialists" are takin over" crap this country has a real opportunity to show what we are really made of...will we come together or will we grind our axes and satisfy our grudges...........Personally I'm choosin optimism, I'm choosin to believe this is the start of somthin great in our history instead of somthin horrible, I'm choosin to believe that people have finally got the message that we are all one, we are all part of the Web,and what we do to the Web we do to each other......The Sun came up this mornin, the breeze is still blowin and it's still gonna rain later.......
You expectations of "coming together" are not anything I want to be included. Which side you on anyway?
Here's something I received by email today:
Looking forward, we can expect the following in short order:
1. Severe Limitations on the purchase of ammunition.
2. The banning of "assault weapons"
3. The end of Consealed Carry laws
4. Severe limitations on the purchase of pistols.
5. Expansion of homosexual "freedoms" nationwide as national policy
6. Further limitation of what few state's rights we now have.
7. Advancement of abortion rights outside the womb.
8. Speech or "Thought Crimes" legislation as in Canada and Europe
9. Expansion of "Muslim Rights" which they will increasingly demand as public policy
These same scare tactics are what defeated John McCain. Had all the folks worked for that campaign in a positive manner rather than use all this idiotic 'Are you scared now?' stuff, the outcome may have been quite different. But working in a positive manner just does not appeal to some, and they just do not know when 'over' is over. I have not seen a single campaign sign in Elk county for John McCain/Sarah Palin, no literature, no canvassers no nothing. Just this negative stuff that folks are beginning to see through. And, Red I think Pam is probably one of the most fair minded folks on this forum even though we do not always agree. This country is full of people who want what is best for America, and will work for the next administration as much as they did for the last one. God Bless America! Yes We Can!
And today we need to remember this ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT4Wh1Eg3xM&feature=related
It is about what the Flag, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution stand for.
We will survive if we remain vigilant for what is important ... and I'm not afraid to flaunt it in the face of those that might try and dismantle it ... both foreign and domestic ...
Isn't someone else supposed to say that soon?
Quote from: redcliffsw on November 05, 2008, 01:00:20 PM
You expectations of "coming together" are not anything I want to be included. Which side you on anyway?
Here's something I received by email today:
Looking forward, we can expect the following in short order:
1. Severe Limitations on the purchase of ammunition.
2. The banning of "assault weapons"
3. The end of Consealed Carry laws
4. Severe limitations on the purchase of pistols.
5. Expansion of homosexual "freedoms" nationwide as national policy
6. Further limitation of what few state's rights we now have.
7. Advancement of abortion rights outside the womb.
8. Speech or "Thought Crimes" legislation as in Canada and Europe
9. Expansion of "Muslim Rights" which they will increasingly demand as public policy
OMG - one person is gonna cause all this? I didn't think the president had that much authority. I was always led to believe that the House and Senate passed new laws and, according to my TV most of those were re-elected. Come on, America, including redcliff, unite and help get this country back on it's feet. Contrary to popular belief and rumors, I find it hard to believe that now the "blacks" are gonna rise up and take over the country. The democrats won the election for President, it is quite incidental that the democratic candidate happened to be black. Good Grief, people. The election is over, pull up your boot-straps and move on to the next step, ( >:( and the next step is not bitch, bitch, bitch and stock-pile ammo and guns. )
Quote from: sixdogsmom on November 05, 2008, 01:41:19 PM
These same scare tactics are what defeated John McCain. Had all the folks worked for that campaign in a positive manner rather than use all this idiotic 'Are you scared now?' stuff, the outcome may have been quite different. But working in a positive manner just does not appeal to some, and they just do not know when 'over' is over. I have not seen a single campaign sign in Elk county for John McCain/Sarah Palin, no literature, no canvassers no nothing. Just this negative stuff that folks are beginning to see through. And, Red I think Pam is probably one of the most fair minded folks on this forum even though we do not always agree. This country is full of people who want what is best for America, and will work for the next administration as much as they did for the last one. God Bless America! Yes We Can!
McCain-Palin in Elk County 1035 votes, 75%+
Obama-Biden 359 votes, 25%
Maybe we should have gotten the Forum Posts out to the entire country. What defeated John Mccain was all of the Obama lies and all of the people that think they are going to get a free ride. How you can support a President with Barack Obama's past religious background, which there is no doubt about, is beyond comprehension. That alone should have been enough to have defeated him.
QuoteYou expectations of "coming together" are not anything I want to be included. Which side you on anyway?
Which is why this world is in the state it is in...."if it ain't my way it ain't gonna be any way" I'm on EVERYBODIES side, I'm on my families side, I'm on the Earths side. I'm on my countries side. It's over....he's president....don't know if I will like it yet or not....not gonna make a mountain out a molehile.....I think for myself, I don't really sweat whether or not anybody else likes my thoughts or not. I am both conservative and liberal on different things, don't really care if anybody likes that or not either. I'm not much of a panicer either....I wait and watch and then decide instead of flyin off the handle.....Things ain't gonna be as good as some people say and they ain't gonna be as bad.....in the meantime I'll just be over here livin my life.
Living an American Life ;D :D :angel: :police:
their is a diffrance between a scare tactic an fact. i actualy got on obamas website read his policy and didnt like it and so now when the dust settels look at what we have. im thankfull to live where i do i would hate to live in a bigger city now. but when you say the people chose him dont inclued me i had nothing to do with it . i shut bill clinton off and shut him off. ill not rally behind him i dont like him i have alot more to say but i just dont know how to word it i dont even know if their are words for how i fill
Quote from: sixdogsmom on November 05, 2008, 01:41:19 PM
These same scare tactics are what defeated John McCain. Had all the folks worked for that campaign in a positive manner rather than use all this idiotic 'Are you scared now?' stuff, the outcome may have been quite different.
No...........you are wrong!
If people had actually voted on the integrity and honest character that a President should have.. and if President Hussien and his pandering Media would have not lied and covered up every single thing he has done and is doing .. from all the scum bag criminals and crooks that he hangs out with... to his birth nationality ..to all the $$$money he just couldn't account for on a "community organizers" salary ....to sleeping with Acorn and all those bottom feeders....and lets not forget the fact that Obama himself made it a race ticket... to just name a small few things....then .......................
THEN .....the election might have turned out differently..and maybe it wouldn't have..
but at least it would have been a fair election. So don't even go there with those statements.
But everyone who worshiped the tinfoil Messiah didn't want to know the truth.. you preferred to keep your heads planted firmly in the places of your choice. and not even consider that this man was NOT what he proclaimed to be.
There was no TRUTH in any of BHO's campaign..and you who voted for him are just as guilty in the fraud as if you sat up and lied yourself. But you won't recognize that fact either.. so I and anyone else who you say talked "negative" stuff... it was because ..unfortunately.. it was the TRUTH.. ( there is that nasty word that Liberals cringe at) That's probably why it scared the media and the worshipers so. Am I concerned and a bit unnerved by this "bag of lies and secret deceit" who was just put into office as the one to lead this country?
Youuuuu betcha I am.
I just wanted the TRUTH to be known.. about both candidates. Obviously the majority didn't.
The TRUTH was never ..nor is it now.. . something to be afraid of.. Unless it is incriminating.. then it will be squelched and not allowed to be spoken. ( ring a bell here?)
TRUTH..........
( remember that word ??) Say it long and slow.. because it is word that will not be spoken for the next 4 years!
And redcliff.. I'm with you. I will not "come together' if it means standing and supporting communism and socialist agendas. ..and this man reeks and stinks with it. Right along side his congress... Reed and Pelosi .. which is and will be a near bullet proof majority.
And Flo? not one man.. but one man and a full House of Democrats.. There.. will... be... no... vetos'...
And I sure am sorry that stockpiling ammo and defending the 2nd amendment is something that is looked down on.
( I had it coming....my fault. ( that is what I get for talking too much and sharing too much of "me " in places like this.)
After all of this.. it will not happen again.
And as far as some thinking the conservatives have axes and grudges and can't see beyond that.. that is incorrect.
I can see beyond my anger ( and yes I am angry and sickened) at all of this left agenda socialist crap....and I will TRY.. to be optimistic.. but to blindly swallow and follow .. and put all of my 'gut feelings' and 'common sense knowing' aside and start following the yellow brick road to "believing this is the start of something great in our history"..is something that my stomach just can't keep down.
Quote from: Howell4ever on November 05, 2008, 03:08:52 PM
Living an American Life ;D :D :angel: :police:
Yes.. that is what we have been doing. but apparently Obama is going to want to try to change all of that. .
Hope you who voted for him like the changes that the government will be making for you. In fact I hope you like all the decisions that the government will be taking and wanting to make for you.
And I say this last thing with so very much sadness and not anger...........The nation is under a strong delusion...I sure hope we haven't just witnessed it's death.
Quote from: flo on November 05, 2008, 02:41:35 PMOMG - one person is gonna cause all this?
Some things he wouldn't be able to do by himself of course... but with a democrat controlled congress he'll a very easy time passing just about whatever he wants. A HUGE issue is the Supreme Court... he will likely have the opportunity to put in a few judges and he will most definitely select very liberal judges. What does this mean? Just like the fear the left had that McCain would choose conservative judges that would repeal Roe v. Wade, the exact same thing could very well happen with the gun legislation.
I am very confident they will likely try to increase taxes on guns and/or ammo and they will likely start bans on certain guns again, like what Clinton did. That is simply what they believe and if anyone thinks otherwise, they are fools. Look at their records, look at what they stood for... it should be quite clear what they'll likely try doing with their new power.
I bet gun and ammo sales will likely increase heavily with Obama becoming president. Heck, even things like the VT shooting cause an increase in those types of sales due to the threat of more gun regulation. A democrat controlled U.S., for most gun owners, will be a threat to their gun ownership and many will go out and stock up. I know I will... and I know I will fight for my rights if worse comes to worse. Granted I don't believe something like that would be the first thing on their agenda but after a couple years I would definitely be keeping my eyes open for potential legislation like that.
Lastly... I also will not "come together". Obama does not stand for what I believe in. That is why I did not vote for him. I will not support nor stand with someone I do not believe in regardless if he has been voted in as President. Now... if by some miracle he has actually lied to the whole left and the majority and actually does thing like lower taxes and leave the socialism and such out of it... then maybe I could come together but uh... like that will ever happen.
My statement is not intended to argue with anyone, I simply want to say a few more statements and be done with the whole anger thing. Yes, I am one of the people that you have called blind and stupid. I did vote for Obama. Does this mean you must attack my character, and call me names? I am a very moral person, as moral as you can get. I am honest, hardworking, active in my community, and faithful and loving to God, my country, my family and friends. Just as your beliefs were those that followed McCain's agenda, mine were closer to those that followed Obama's agenda. This whole socialist/communist crap is not what I am looking for, nor do I believe our society will ever allow such a thing to happen. I don't want any money from the rich, but I am tired of the "rich" screwing the poor and middle class. Do I believe that government should give handouts to those who could help themselves, NO! As an educator, I have been to poverty seminars and have learned many things that never occurred to me about living on the welfare system. This system is completely faulty. One of the activities we had to do at a workshop showed us how the sytem works, rather than how it SHOULD work. The system, as it is now, is designed to hold those that are on it down. Now I am talking about the people that truly belong on this system, not the users and abusers of it. Sorry, I got of my topic. Back to my original thought:
I have spent the last few years, struggling to support my family under a President that I do not trust. I do believe that man has lied to our country many times. However, I did not refuse to unite with my nation to support the troops that are serving in the war President Bush put us in. There are a lot of roads this President has taken us down that has scared the heck out of me. So how is that any different than you being scared of where we might be going now under our next President. Is just because it is you now?
No matter who is in office there is an uncertainty that we as the people of the nation feel. We can not let that divide us as a people. So if you must call me names and insult my character to express your anger for things that didn't go your way, go right ahead. Just know that I love this country as much as you, and there is no way I would endanger mine or my family and friends' freedoms.
God Bless the USA!
QuoteI sure am sorry that stockpiling ammo and defending the 2nd amendment is something that is looked down on.
Not something to be looked down on.....it's common sense to have a way to protect yourself and your family if you need to
Quoteas far as some thinking the conservatives have axes and grudges and can't see beyond that
Wasn't talkin about conservatives per se...was talking about every group that has an ax to grind from conservatives to liberals, from white people to black people to rich people to poor people.
Quotebut to blindly swallow and follow .. and put all of my 'gut feelings' and 'common sense knowing' aside and start following the yellow brick road to "believing this is the start of something great in our history"..
I said I'm choosing to HOPE it is....I never blindly followed anybody in my life and I ain't about to start now.
Y'all need to step back take a deep breath and quit attackin whoever is handy.....He ain't even in office yet and y'all are diggin the hole to bury our country in......WTF! Seriously...where do you think you live? This is America right? Nobody makes us do anything right? We are free right? That means if we don't like what the people who WORK FOR US are doin WE CAN RAISE HELL AND PUT A CHUNK UNDER IT, if they can impeach one president for gettin some strange they can impeach one for tryin to turn us into commies or whatever. I realize y'all are upset but geez....and I didn't VOTE for the dude..I told you all I was votin 3rd party and I did so if I choose to make lemonade out of the lemons you all gave me....guess you can live with it.
Not trying to attack you... but I just need to clear up a few points here:
Quote from: gina on November 05, 2008, 04:34:14 PMThis whole socialist/communist crap is not what I am looking for, nor do I believe our society will ever allow such a thing to happen.
:o ...the majority just did. By things Obama has said and things you can see in his history, it is VERY clear that he is socialist. With a liberal congress to back him they most definitely can, and probably will, make America more socialist.
QuoteI don't want any money from the rich, but I am tired of the "rich" screwing the poor and middle class.
I agree some do tend to screw the people under them... but most don't. Most are the ones that provide jobs to the poor and middle class. Many give their own money to charity without asking for others to give theirs. I agree that those that do screw the people under them need a good screwin' themselves but not ALL rich are out to get the less fortunate.
QuoteDo I believe that government should give handouts to those who could help themselves, NO!
Then why vote for someone that is going to do that very thing?
QuoteThe system, as it is now, is designed to hold those that are on it down.
And with all of the new handouts that Obama will want to give out, it will be even worse.
I know... I know... the election is over, the voting is done with... but I still feel like this needs to get out so that maybe next time it would be different.
QuoteSeriously...where do you think you live? This is America right? Nobody makes us do anything right? We are free right? That means if we don't like what the people who WORK FOR US are doin WE CAN RAISE HELL AND PUT A CHUNK UNDER IT, if they can impeach one president for gettin some strange they can impeach one for tryin to turn us into commies or whatever.
That's the problem... people will make us do what they want, we will slowly but surely lose our freedoms, and no one will stand for it. Clinton may have been impeached... but he still retained office. Many of us have already seen Obama's colors but the majority chose not to pay attention or even care. Those people on top of a democrat controlled congress would make the chances of him actually being impeached very, very slim.
It would take something extreme like banning guns for something like that to happen... but even then, I'm not sure enough people would do anything about it. People are becoming too lazy anymore. :-\
Very well said Mark.
Coming from Europe, and living under many different government rules, I see things and hear things from this man that make me very very uncomfortable.
Quote from: gina on November 05, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
I don't want any money from the rich, but I am tired of the "rich" screwing the poor and middle class.
I don't know who you are referring to...none of the rich people I know spend any time actively planning to screw the common man out of anything...quite to the contrary...the rich of this country are the ones who are helping to create the jobs that lift the poor people out of poverty. Reverse discrimination toward those better off does nothing to help those who need jobs...it only aggravates those who are paying all of the costs associated with hiring large amounts of people.
Quote from: gina on November 05, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
As an educator, I have been to poverty seminars and have learned many things that never occurred to me about living on the welfare system. This system is completely faulty. One of the activities we had to do at a workshop showed us how the sytem works, rather than how it SHOULD work. The system, as it is now, is designed to hold those that are on it down.
Yes, the system is faulty. But, designed to hold those that are on it down? As an educator who's been out in the field for over 25 years and holds multiple degrees, I can completely assure you that whomever presented that course presented you with faulty information. Yes, there are generationally-entrenched welfare cases...but it is not the fault of the system...it is the fault of the person who chooses to continue to feed at the public trough rather than exert themselves and get on bettering themselves. Yes, the system makes it easy to stay on it, for the most part...but it's an individual decision as to whether or not to stay on it indefinitely.
I assure you the workshop was provided by a reputable entity, Southeast Education Service Center at Greenbush and Pittsburg State University. My role I had to play was a single mother of 4, recieving little to no child support, and government aid. You were given scenarios such as broken water pipe in the rundown house you rent. You recieved your check from the government, had to take a bus to get there to get it, dragging along 2 of your 4 children that were not school age. Once you received your aid, you had to board the bus again and travel to the various places(waiting each time at the bus stop to board it to go the next place) to pay your bills, purchase your groceries and argue with the water dept. about the huge bill you received. There were many other scenarios, such as your children being ill and trying to find a doctor that would see them, no one around to watch your child while you went to a job interview. Trying to find help on how to go back to school and better yourself only to receive road blocks such as childcare, illness, eviction, etc. As I said, it was a real eye opener for me. I do agree there are many people that are able to pick themselves up and better themselves; but sad to say there are also those cases that no matter which way you turn it seems hopeless and you give up. Perserverance is difficult for people in those situations.
Working in Daycare I can tell you for a Fact, the system will not help you pay for childcare while you go to school. Which, I personally think is a bunch of crap. I person is trying to better themselves and the government won't help them pay for their child to be cared for. I thought I would throw in my 2 cents!!
Gina: Ive lived the mother with 4 children growing up with no help from my father. My mother worked 3 jobs to support us and had to use the system for some piddly assistance never once did i hear a woe is me. i honestly believe that people choose not to help themselves and im not talking about the ones who really need the assistance if their is no physical or mental reason why you cant work get off your butt get a job and work that's what i was taught .
Well said, littlelamb. Just because the circumstances might be hard...even daunting...that is no excuse for not doing what is necessary to overcome those circumstances. I should know...I've actually been there...and done that...and barely survived it...but I'm living proof that, even under the most incredible circumstances, you can not only survive but also thrive, in the long run. Perseverance is indeed the key. The type of people Gina refers to, those unable to overcome their circumstances, are unable to do so because of not only poverty of circumstances but also poverty of spirit and poverty of intellect. Interestingly enough, there are some 'educated' people that I've run into who have poverty of spirit...so that's nothing that is limited to those with low socio-economic status.