Myrna and I went to the local Republican headquarters to pick up some more signs today. While there a very interesting couple came in to get more signs and buttons to pass out. The couple was quite elderly and they were from Germany, both of them were there when Hitler came into power and they were there thru the war and she told me that Obama was just like Hitler, that he was directing his message to the youth and the poor, and that much of his message was the same things that Hitler promised the German people. She and her husband were very adamant that Obama was bad for America, bad for the world. She told me over and over that America must not let this man take over our country. She told us to pray,pray, pray as that was what they were doing.
Quote from: frawin on October 29, 2008, 04:24:34 PM
She and her husband were very adamant that Obama was bad for America, bad for the world. She told me over and over that America must not let this man take over our country. She told us to pray,pray, pray as that was what they were doing.
I am...and I hope that God is listening listening listening.
I work with a lady that grew up in Germany and she of course is from America after becoming a citizen and she believes Obama is who we should elect. So there you go! Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it.
It is alarming...when you reflect on Germany's history, the German public never thought that a monster like Hitler could come to be. They never believed, in the beginning of Hitler's rise, that the true extent of his evil was a possibility in that country...because they had a democratic system that was supposed to prevent that type of occurance...sound familiar? It didn't take much for Hitler to subvert that system and institute his own brand of lunacy. History is a great teacher...but only if there are people astute enough to listen to it's lessons. In addition to there being Germans who are going to be on either side of the fence regarding Obama, there are also Germans who claim vehemently that the Holocaust wasn't nearly as bad as the world tried to make it seem. How do you reason with idiots like that? The pictorial evidence, accompanied by the archival evidence amassed by the Natzi regime itself, paints a graphic picture that any sane person can't deny. We are seeing the same type of aforementioned denial being employed by those who so strongly support Obama. It's interesting...it generally takes about 200-250 years for a civilization to reach it's apex...it then goes into a generally slow but steady state of decline until another stronger civilization comes in to overthrow the first civilization and put it's social morays and civic laws into place. With the advent of Socialism, which seems to be where the sheep are being willing to be led, will come a greater restricting of our individual rights and greater weakening of our society...just examine some of these Socialist countries that are out in the world today...and then try to tell me that there is anything admirable about Socialism.
Quote from: greatguns on October 30, 2008, 02:52:25 AM
I work with a lady that grew up in Germany and she of course is from America after becoming a citizen and she believes Obama is who we should elect. So there you go! Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it.
Great Guns, your comparison is way off base, the main point that you are missing is that the old couple we met yesterday were in Germany when Hitler came to power and the man was forced to serve in the Army and witness the killings of the innocent. Obviously the person you are talking about is much younger and grew up in Post war Germany and has no idea of Hitlers Bastardly deeds on the world.
Civilizations decline when greed, excess, separation between classes, etc. reach the max. Then somebody comes along who promises to bridge the gap and clean up the mess and you have a revolution. If that's what is happenin here we have no-one to blame but ourselves. A whole bunch of people who were in-between class-wise just dropped into the basement with the "peasants" and as soon as they get done shakin their heads to clear em there's gonna be hell to pay.
Greed has been runnin rampant here since WW2 really. The "American Dream" got bloated out of proportion, an awful lot of people value stuff more than people, a lot of people value animals more than people......the balance is gone...we are wobblin on the brink of somthin...whether it will be good or horrible remains to be seen...but things are GONNA change...God, Goddess, the Universe whatever likes BALANCE...it will have it one way or the other.
Jesus talked about the balance....he said when mankind reached the point where above was like below, inner was as the outer, male same as female, when the lion could lay down with the lamb then we would have heaven on earth.
Pam, you are so right...there is a yin and a yang to every thing on earth...yes, the Universe will have balance, no matter what it takes to achieve it. Kind of a scary thought...or comforting, depending upon your perspective, I guess.
Shoot Catwoman, I'm really not scared.......things work out....
I wish I could say with complete authority that I'm not scared...but I'd be lying, to some extent. There are some really wierd things going on right now...for example...my parents got back some emails that they had sent out, telling about a funny bumper sticker that they had seen, using a word play on O-man's name and an abberation of a biblical verse...and their email came back to them, marked as being spam...their computer became fouled, with what, we don't know...and they've found out from other people in their set that they've had similar occurances. It almost sounds as if there's a filter out there, finding emails with that name, keeping that sort of stuff from being widely sent about. If this is actually the case, then I shudder to think what effect the posts we've been putting on here might have had, if we had been sending them out as general email rather than a forum post. I thank Teresa and Kjell for the safety of this forum, believe me.
Quote from: pam on October 30, 2008, 10:33:01 AM
Shoot Catwoman, I'm really not scared.......things work out....
I am sure that is exactly what the German people said when Hitler came to power, or what the Cuban People said when Fidel the Butcher came to power and that is what Obama is counting on. I am scared and so are millions of other freedom loving Americans. I don't understand why the American people don't say, let's wait 4 years, see what McCain does and how Obama matures or what Obama does in the meantime. Why take a chance on putting someone with all of Obama's nasty bacground in office without checking him out further. All of you socialist loving people are going to find out " There ain't no such thing as a free lunch", and you ain't going to like the real cost.
QuoteAll of you socialist loving people are going to find out " There ain't no such thing as a free lunch", and you ain't going to like the real cost.
Bite me ELK@KC.....just because I have the presence of mind to call bull bull no matter where I see it does NOT make me an Obama supporter or a socialist! I have never had a "free lunch" in my life...I am not sittin here waitin on my friggin welfare check or whatever the hell else the stereotypes you are seein would be doin. I am independant.....independant enough to look at all sides and not go around spoutin a bunch of bull just because I heard it somewhere much LESS lumpin people in one group just because they happen to be one party or the other. The fact I'm not scared doesn't make me "un-American" for christ sake....it makes me a levelheaded AMERICAN who refuses to be stampeded by a bunch of PROPAGANDA WHEREVER it comes from! Anybody who thinks the AMerican people would set still for some crap like Hitler to take effect is underestimatin the resolve and love of their freedom! Just so you all can rest easy tonight.... I am voting for a THIRD party candidate because THEY BOTH SUCK!!!!! Maybe if everybody did that instead of votin for one of two parties just because they have always been in power one or the other things WOULD change...y'all ever think of that?
This from someone that is old enough to remember how the U.S. tried to stay out of Europe's problems with Hitler. This older couple doesn't have to be any more than 10 years older than me to have been right in the middle of it and if they were, what they say is true. If they say that Hitler's rise to power was insidious, then it was. That is the way I remember it from our world news sources. Creeping into one country after another before anyone realized what was happening, until it was too late to do anything about it. Maybe it is happening here. I don't know, but I am willing to take the word of someone who lived through it that they are seeing similarities now. What Germany was before WW2 was so different from what it is now and if you don't believe me, then go study your history books a little better. Or better yet, study my history books. I am glad that I am old enough that I am not going to have to be in this world long enough to see the things that could happen to this country. I agree with Pam, we all have to take a stand now and stand up for what we believe in and in my case, it is not trailing along behind the other sheep.
Pam, I was not trying to single you out, I was only answering your post. Why are you so angry all the time. Is everyone supposed to send you what they want to post so you can OK it. You have every right to say and do as you please, do you think others don't. You answer lots of posts and sometimes you berate the poster but everyone doesn't cuss and rant at your responses. I won't apologize as I don't think I have anything to apologize for, and I stand by what I said.
Lol, I don't think I'm angry all the time, ....I really dislike stereotypes ...the only thing I do on here is try to pry peoples minds open a little.....I'm not gonna apolgize either. Don't think disagreein with somebody is tellin em what they can or can't say (shrug) if all y'all want is a yes woman I'm not it, I also don't cuss ( much) :P as much as I'd like to sometimes. Don't think disagreein with somebody is berating them either! Am I supposed to agree with everything everybody says just to keep em happy? I don't expect anybody to agree with me when I say somethin! If you want to argue the point knock yourself out! Arguing discussing whatever you want to call it is how people learn things including me as I have said a few thousand times on here. If all y'all really want to do is have everybody agree with ya just let me know, no prob.
Frawin, yes I must be WAY OFF BASE as she is only 80 years old. I'm sure she knows nothing only what she read is the history books. Right! No part of your point is missed by me. Thank you for correcting me and my lack of knowledge.
The fact that so many of you have actual fear that things are going to be like Hitler, the coming of the antichrist, and so on is very distressing. I don't know how you all live in such a state of fear all the time. There are many more things that are of a greater threat to your well being. If what you are actually saying is that you are very concerned, then join the club 90% of America is with you in the fact that we are headed in the wrong direction. Maybe it is just a choice of words and we all actually agree. Here is what I do know. While I don't see today approaching anything near Hitler's Germany of which my Great Grandfather was an army soldier. I know that if it does go that way I will be calling on all of you here on the forum. We have more imminent threats than Obama or McCain no matter who they are. If I am wrong and the Fourth Reich comes to power. I know where the resistance will come from.
David
I totaly agree with you on this one. As they say "What will be, will be and what won't be just might happen."
"Hail Hitler, Hail Obama"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E
The Honorable James David Manning compares Obuma to Hitler.
This message was preached on 7 June 2008.