That is my question. I personally don't get it. I grew up in Elk County, and turned out to be a flaming liberal. What have the republicans brought us except a failed policy in Iraq and a terrible economy. I came of political age during the Clinton era, and I've never quite understood why so many in our area hated him. He demonstrated how a responsible politician can create a good economy with a surplus. This must be done by having our highest earners pay a higher tax rate. I will be one of these higher earners soon, hopefully earning 150k myself and my partner contributing another 60k. I hope to have a higher tax rate than we currently do for earnings of that amount. I wonder why others in my position wouldn't be willing to pull their weight. Anyway, I'm sure this post will get some good responses, so I will leave it at this for now.
Michael, a flaming liberal looking forward to President Obama!
To start with im not a democrat nor republican. But to answer your question on the taxation,
There is a little ole rule that was set 4000+ years ago. Thou shalt not steal.
forcing the top 5% producers of this country to pay 60% of the taxes is theft. It is technically armed robbery cause
if they don't pay it, the government comes with guns and takes it. The middle class gets to make up the other 40% of the taxes
while the lower class lives for free.
What are they stealing? Couple things. Money and lives. It takes time out of our lives to make that money. Now days people have to work like 5 months for the other half that doesn't work. Thats unforgivable. The Government isn't chartered to take care of us, it is chartered to defend us from enemies, collect import export taxes, and make laws. Thats about it. The rest of what government does is a usurping of authority it was never granted. Those powers were granted to the states.
So when people work to pay for the others that don't have to pay taxes, they are having their life stolen from them as they put those hours into working that they can never reclaim in any form.
Finally, Please don't comment on the iraq war. It is not failed. I have three sons who have been there, told me the truth on what is going on not what the media has fed you. :) It is successful but like germany, japan, in ww2, it will take time to stablize that country to where they can defend against attackers. I have sons that keep going back there cause it is working. They say the job isn't finished and to leave it would be a insult to everyone there as well as those who died. :
Hey everybody, I haven't been lurking as I usually do, but had to have surgery so I am just catching up. As to why I am Republican, probably because my parents were republican and more than likely my grandparents. I have found over the years that Democrats love to tax and spend and of course, Republicans are more conservative in the other direction. The main problem I have with politcal parties is the issue of wars. In the 60's Kennedy (DEM) introduced us to Vietnam in the form of military advisors. By the time Johnson (DEM) had escalated the war over 56,000 or so Americans died. Nixon (REP) (love him or hate him) ended the war and brought the troops home and then proceeded to open relations with China to expand more trade, albeit, by todays standards now slightly lopsided in favor of China. Carter (DEM) almost got us into a tussle with Iran trying to rescue hostages and several people were killed in a failed rescue attempt. Reagan (REP) got the hostages back without killing anybody. Clinton (DEM) really didn't accomplish much more than bring moral issues to light as to his personal affairs. However, no system is perfect as both the Bushes (REP) have gotten us into wars and under Dubya, the economy has tanked. But I still remain a Republican by name more than anything else and will vote that way next month just because I think Obama is not good enough to run the country and unfortunately, I think that the American people are just not quite ready for a black president, sadly.
LarryJ
You witty Republicans crack me up! :laugh:
This answers why I would be a Republican, if I were to ever register as one:
There was once a young couple who, being devout Democrats, were raising their little girl to also be one. They went to see the little girl's grandmother, who was a Republican. The grandmother decided to take the little girl out for some ice cream. On the way to the ice cream parlor, they passed a homeless man sitting on the curb. "Why doesn't someone give him a home?" asked the little girl. The grandmother looked at her granddaughter and said, "Well, we could start helping the man right now, without waiting for someone else to do it. We can skip getting the ice cream and go back to my house, where you could clean my house and mow my lawn. After you're done, I would pay you for your effort and then you could give the man the money you earned." The little girl thought for a moment, then glared at her grandmother, saying, "Why don't you just have him come over and do the work, since he's the one who'll be getting the money?" The grandmother said, "Welcome to the Republican party, my dear." The young couple hasn't spoken to the old woman since.
By the way...I think someone may have posted this previously...if so, just bear with me...I just thought this was funny...and it's a major miracle that I remembered the thing in its entirety, being as old and senile as I'm beginning to get! lol
I keep seein this joke over and over and yeah it's funny............far as I know tho my family has been democrat since FDR and maybe before I don't know I never knew the ones from before. The moral or point of this joke is also how they raised my Dad and my Dad raised me and my sisters so it also ain't very accurate. They may have been Democrats but I think it was more because they thought EVERYBODY deserved opportunity not just the people who belonged to the "right" party or economic class or whatever. One thing I remember my Dad tellin me was " Get your ass in both hands and get it done cause nobodys gonna do it for you".
So anyway that's why I wish people who think just because you are democrat you are a lazy bum waitin for a handout would think of all the people who are democrats who work their ASSES off to take care of theirs and still manage to help whoever needs it.
You've got it right!
Aw, guys...I just posted it because I thought it was funny. I thought we needed a laugh! :laugh:
I, too, was raised a Democrat. My Dad would have voted for the Dem. no matter who he was. We had neighbors that were just as strong on the Republican side -- so at election time, there were a lot of "sittin' under the trees" - arguing about the ones and only ones to put in office. I have been a registered member of both parties ( at different times of course ) -- I DO NOT believe your party has one single thing to do with your work ethics nor your honesty. Pam, we were raised just like you - do your work, earn your own rewards and never take anything that you were not entitled to - and sure as hell don't take what belongs to someone else!!--- I just can not vote for a man that is so much undercover - and no one seems to release any thing that shows his "coming up in the ranks" like he has to make me believe that he is the right one to sit in the oval office of this great free country and has the love of country and the dedication to lead us in the direction we need to go. If everything about his is so UP AND UP then why don't they answer the questions about him that has been raised...Many many stories - first one thing then the complete opposite ... Makes me very very uneasy!!
Oh I know Catwoman and it IS funny but....lol
I know what you mean Jo, and don't get me wrong I don't think Obama is any better of a candidate than y'all do. I'd sooner take an asswhuppin as vote this time.........
I need to go back and reword this to say it better.
Sarah Palin made the comment today that,
"In fact Obama held one of his first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers' living room and they worked together on various projects in Chicago."
And, Obama "sees America as imperfect enough to work with a domestic terrorist who had targeted his own country."
Not to mention Reverend Wright who will loudly "God Damn America."
Your vote is critical in this election. This just gets scarier and scarier!
Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Election '08: Democrats' reintroduction of militant Michelle Obama in Denver was supposed to show her softer side. But it only highlighted a radical part of her resume: Public Allies.
IBD Series: The Audacity Of Socialism
Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."
Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."
The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.
In exchange, they'll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.
But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.
"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.
Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.
Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working in nonprofit or government jobs. It's training the "next generation of nonprofit leaders" — future "social entrepreneurs."
The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."
"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.
Many of today's youth find the pitch attractive. "I may spend the rest of my life trying to create social movement," said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati chapter. "There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect country, I'll have a job."
Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."
One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."
The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.
The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military — and stick American taxpayers with the bill.
This excerpt I copied and pasted from Snopes.
Now, do you wonder why so many of us are worried sick about the likes of him getting in the highest ranking office in our country?
Jo
--- you can go to Snopes and check on the previous post that I made on this thread, and read the whole article about their "boot camp".
Quotes from the article on Snopes:
Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but is also depends on the teacher in East LA, the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans..."
That is, of course, true. But ultimate national security requires someone to carry, and, if necessary, discharge a deadly weapon with intent to kill. This is something teachers, nurses and after-school workers are typically unaccustomed to doing as part of their service obligations.
Voters haven't paid much attention to his "Service" plan because the old news media has ignored it. That will likely continue, even though Obama attached an approximate price tag to it in Colorado Springs. When Obama said that the "civilian national security force" would be just as "well-funded" as the Armed Forces, he stepped squarely into the giant sandbox and played with the big numbers. As the late Carl Sagan said, "billions and billions" of dollars. Here's how.
The FY 2008 Department of Defense (DoD) budget is about $482 billion. Obama has announced his intentions to cut "tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending," including $9 billion per month spent in Iraq and expenditures for the missile defense system, while increasing the force size of the Army and Marine Corps.
Let's imagine "tens of billions" in cuts eventually adds up to a whopping $150 billion. That would be a near one-third cut in defense spending, taking the DoD budget down to $332 billion. Even in such an extreme case of DoD budget reduction, for his "civilian national security force" to be "just as well-funded" would mean funding his community service initiatives at an equivalent $332 billion.
Consequently, another $332 billion in addition to the Pentagon's reduced budget of $332 billion equals a net increase of $182 billion in the annual federal budget, assuming we sponge-up the already existing expenditures for the relatively meager, by comparison, existing service programs he plans to expand. That's $182,000,000,000 in new federal monies, and that means higher taxes.
In his entire life, Senator Obama has never managed an organization larger than a Senate staff, or that of a law school publication. And, he's never operated a for-profit business or been responsible for any profit center within one. So, while words matter to Senator Obama, it's not clear if math means anything to him at all.
This is enough to make even a hardened character such as myself feel nauseated. Why isn't any of this being widely reported in the mainstream media? WHY?
I tried to post this earlier but couldn't quite remember the words as the man said them. "I would rather live my life as a Christian and find out there was no heaven, than to not live my life as a Christian and find out there was.
The jest of this is in thinking about who to vote for, consider all of the known facts about Barack Obama, his years spent with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright hearing Racism at it's worse, hearing the Rev spout his hatred for America, Obama's connection to Farakan, Obama's early campaign rhetoric about people in rural America and their clinging to the Bible and the Gun, his comments about doing away with some guns, the talk of Obama's connection to the Muslim world and so much more I won't list all of the negative possibilities,including his total lack of experience.
Then consider John McCain, a Christian, a Veteran, his many years in the Senate, his obvious desire to help America out of the current problems. Wouldn't it be better to vote for John McCain,even if he isn't as good as the Republicans say he is, than to vote for Barack Obama and find out he is as bad as some say he is, or worse, that he is worse than they say he is, or for that matter that he is only half as bad as they say he is. Why put America at risk for takeover by our enemies, Muslim or otherwise, why put America at risk for a Civil war, Americans against Americans, why put America at risk for a Race war that no one can win, think about what is known about the candidates and what the possibilities are, I don't think the economy is the biggest risk that we are facing in this election.
Quote from: Catwoman on October 05, 2008, 07:34:08 PM
This answers why I would be a Republican, if I were to ever register as one:
There was once a young couple who, being devout Democrats, were raising their little girl to also be one. They went to see the little girl's grandmother, who was a Republican. The grandmother decided to take the little girl out for some ice cream. On the way to the ice cream parlor, they passed a homeless man sitting on the curb. "Why doesn't someone give him a home?" asked the little girl. The grandmother looked at her granddaughter and said, "Well, we could start helping the man right now, without waiting for someone else to do it. We can skip getting the ice cream and go back to my house, where you could clean my house and mow my lawn. After you're done, I would pay you for your effort and then you could give the man the money you earned." The little girl thought for a moment, then glared at her grandmother, saying, "Why don't you just have him come over and do the work, since he's the one who'll be getting the money?" The grandmother said, "Welcome to the Republican party, my dear." The young couple hasn't spoken to the old woman since.
By the way...I think someone may have posted this previously...if so, just bear with me...I just thought this was funny...and it's a major miracle that I remembered the thing in its entirety, being as old and senile as I'm beginning to get! lol
Good thing you mentioned that this had been posted before or the internet police would have caught you and had let you know about it, big time. I know, I've been caught twice before. LOL..... Lord, lucky I didn't have to pay a ticket.