This afternoon I ran into the new owners of the ole Howard Bank Building that sits on the corner of Wabash and Washington... they are very interested in what the community would like done with that building in the way of restoring it and putting something, anything, in it to benefit the community. I told them I would post it on the forum and see what ideas you all could generate... so let the creative juices flow again....
It would make an absolutely wonderful library!
It's probably a long-shot because of the costs involved, but I think it would make a great restaurant and hotel. A place for a nice steak dinner or special occasion meal. Not too pricey, but a place where you wear some dress-up clothes and spend an evening out. Supper club with live music, a cocktail bar, that sort of thing. Plus, we can't have too many places for out-of-towners to stay.
OK, I don't actually have a closet full of dress-up clothes, and Hubby and I have only been to that sort of restaurant a handful of times in seven years, but.....perhaps it's a niche that can be filled that would draw people from other counties as well as serve the community's needs.
Tobina posted in another thread quite some time ago about how neat it would be to have a coffee bar with wireless internet, pastries/sandwiches, and the like. That might be nice, too.
A moderately-priced clothing store (so folks don't have to travel so far to buy new jeans or a dress or school clothes or undies!)
No matter what sort of business goes into it, it would need to meet ADA requirements, which I doubt the building currently does.
Lots of fun possibilities, and it's exciting to imagine that wonderful building once again used for a good purpose.
I would suggest a restaurant/hotel combo, with the restaurant specializing in range-fed, organically raised beef and pork (which would be sent out in frozen form via the internet to those discerning culinary patrons of this gastronomic delight), with a limo to pick up those fashionistas who would fly into the Moline air strip in order to have supper (by previoius arrangement through the concierge (sp??), of course). The hotel would be done in an ecclectic, neo-American style and would have water features located in the exterior and interior lobbies/entrances. The lighting would be subdued, to further enhance the ambience as the patrons would be escorted to their seats by an impeccably-dressed young man or woman of the local gentry. The patrons would be treated to the musical stylings of a guitarist or pianist, doing either subtle jazz or tunes from the 20's through the 40's. As the patrons would be done with their repast, they would stand in groggy, satiated fashion and wander amiably through the rooms of the hotel, oohing and ahhhhing over the wonderful antiques and primitives bolted securely to the floor so that they don't walk out the door unnoticed. Finally, they would climb ever so wearily the stairs leading to their own private chambers, complete with a stocked bar and hot tub, to let the troubles of their rarified existence be soothed away by the soothing hands of the resident massage therapist and enjoy the unencumbered feel of their stay. The next day, they hand over their well-earned dough and count it as monies well spent. Where does the money come from for all of the embellishments? Don't confuse me with details!
Cowboy bunkhouse and a Hayes house in Council Grove old west type restaurant. Vintage looking fixtures, large height ceilings with tin ceilings. Fix the finials and windows throughout the building.
Add more usable space by building south in to the vacant lot.
Perhaps a small theater/meeting room for movies, overhead projection, or community civic organizations to use for meetings.
Modular design to accommodate large groups or small board meetings.
Large enough for tour bus stops.
Have local stables available for travelling equine.
Market with Red Buffalo or other local attractions to maybe use the rural tourism in Sedan and surrounding areas to have more a regional draw. Tap in to the traffic going to Branson/Springfield, MO. Utilize the hunting and fishing contacts to offer shoots, tournaments, and trophy hunts.
Build a golf course north of town....Then we would need a club house.
I guess it would depend on the new owners vision for the building. What are their hopes for it?
Benson Museum would be nice; it would free up retail space on Main street and marry up the museum to its' other half across the street.
Great ideas so far... keep them coming... The new owners really want to restore it and make it something the community can use and/or needs. They mentioned hooking up with the Sedan bunch and getting tour buses to stop here... lodging was mentioned.... The last time I was in the building which was probably 4 years ago... there is a huge area in the basement... was very wet at the time... then of course the main floor where the bank vault is still in place (or was)... the back end was turned in to living quarters with a loft (what used to be a dr office)... Upstairs was several large room with a hallway leading to the outside stairway, but there is also a stair way inside... ADA is always a consideration... someone mentioned marketing local beef - don't know about grass fed (some of the locals don't like the taste) and seeing if Mike Hall would showcase his furniture or maybe local artists could display theirs in a gift shop atmosphere...
a cultural center is another idea... places to take art classes for all ages...music, etc...
Well let's here from some more - I am sure there are more good ideas out there...
I think a hotel/restaurant is a good ideal,keeping in mind the hunters that come from out of town. As it is right now they really have no where to stay. A hotel would keep them coming back every year and would increase the revenue in Howard.
Army Mom
Jane, I like your idea the best of any I have seen. I question if there would be enough year around business to support 3 eating establishments in Howard, also if there is enough year around lodging needs to support it. In any case it is exciting and encouraging to see all of the posts about the Old Howard National Bank Building, the Grade School and other discussions of Howards Future. I am encouraged and ompressed by the young people I see involved, Dan Cookson, Mark Hall, Patrick Perkins, Liz Hendricks, and others are very confident, forward looking and dedicated to the area.
Frank
I agree, Frank, the lodging seems to always be lacking, year around. Hunters, travelers, alumni time, and just families in larger groups that come home to visit.
That building has always been beautiful to me. I remember as a child going there with my Daddy, and I can still see it in detail,
I was awe struck by how absolutely beautiful it was.
I do hope it can be restored into something that we all can be proud of.
How much money is going to be available to configure the old bank for these various attractions?
Where or from whom is the money going to come from?
Jo, I made my first bank loans in that bank. The first one when I was aroud 14 years old, I borrowed money from Ralph perkins to buy a horse, (I have always thought Earl Garison guaranteed it to Ralph), the second one was for my first car at 16, a 1949 Dodge, the price was $100.00, Ralph told me he would loan it to me, and I was to pay $10.00 a month for 11 Months and it would be mine, I did and it was. That building is a proud reminder of the past, I would hate to see it gone.
Frank
My first thought was that it was a waste of time and money to try to salvage the old Bank building by putting in a Restaurant and Lodging facilities, I was thinking of the population decline and the lack of some businesses. After giving it more thought, the Beaumont Hotel came to mind and i thought of the many times we have met friends and family there to eat and visit and of all the people we saw there eating and that had stayed all night. I think Howard has as much or more to offer than Beaumont and a lot more hard working young people to boot. I think it can be done.
Frank
W. Gray - the money is coming from the private sector - no city or county monies would be used for renovations... Don't know the budget, but again - if money was not an obstacle...
Thanks Frank for your encouraging word - we do have a great bunch of youngsters if we can keep the energy channeled and focused... and yes most of us are committed to the future of our area...
Liz, I think you all must have a cup of sugar, with a teaspoon of coffee in it, every morning with Patrick. It is really neat to see all of the young people working together for the betterment of the community. I knew and/or know most of all of your grandparents and parents and I know they are poud of everyone of you.
Frank
Great ideas, everybody!
It might help if the historic building was owned by a foundation or another entity, then sub-leased to private entrepreneurs. This would keep the whole thing from going into sudden collapse in the event that a particular business venture didn't work out.
At the very least, the building would be saved and new ideas could then be applied.
I also would encourage convergence with Sedan. We're really one big community, you know.
I don't have any new ideas here. Just a vote for restaurant, hotel, coffee shop. The restaurant would not have to compete w/ Poplar and Toot's. Different menue/food. I know that Poplar serves steaks and good ones at that. But this would take a steak to a new level. And when you would eat at Poplar would probably be under different circumstances than the new restaurant.
I like the idea of having modular or flexible space. Could be used for a private part (wedding reception, class reunion, family reunion, welcoming Dr. Perkins to town, etc). The coffee shop and cyber cafe could have separate hours.
The new owners know hospitality and they know food. Good food. Great food. I really believe that if done right and w/ their help, this could draw from many miles around. The Beaumont Hotel would have nothing on this place. The Beaumont Hotel is ok but the food is average at best.
I am thinking about Cottonwood Falls as an example. The restaurant and hotel their might be a good example of what could be. Beautiful building, great food, and nice hotel. Look at all of the other businesses that compliment it as well. Wester clothing store. Nice antique store. And others.
A cornerstone building and business like this, a restaurant and hotel, could spur the openings of other businesses as well if it brings in tourists and visitors.
The owners want to do something the community can use and needs. Do we need another restaurant? If just to have another place to eat out, No. But what we do need is something to draw visitors. We do need to create jobs. I see this is something that would do both.
This really is exciting.
P.S. My only problem with the Benson Museum moving to the bank building ... the bank building won't be seen or used. It will then be just another locked building to store museum items w/ very little access to the public.
Great idea Rudy, in fact i think it would be good to have a meeting with Bill Kurtis and his daughter. They might give you some good ideas about things to do to improve the area and involve some good people. Both people are very impressive have some good ideas.
Frank
A nice eating place,steaks as a special, chioce of potato, veg. and salad.
Open for dining only Friday atfernoon thru Sunday evening, to help defer cost of operating the restaurat.
Rooms to be open every day. This would need one employ everyday.
Alot of work would have to be done. As pigeons left a mess in there.
There is a lot of things that could be put in this place.
It might be a good idea to have a close look at Sedan before going with an upscale anything. Even with a years free lease, there have been many businesses going the in/out road. If there is a business, it needs to be one that can be a success.
I vote for coffee/internet shop! My home office is getting boring and I need a change of pace. And Dr. Kate needs a place to "borrow" faster internet other than sitting outside of the grocery store at odd hours of the night (now you know you're not alone... PEP is lurking within posting feverishly on the Forum).
I think a B&B would be nice upstairs; either for hunters, family, friends, and passers-by?
I agree with David that it would need to be a "destination" restaurant and the addition of rooms for stay-over guests would make it all the more appealing. It wouldn't need to compete with Poplar's if it offered different menu items (prime rib, seafood...or strictly Italian foods ... mmm!) I also agree with Henry that limiting the number of hours the restaurant is in operation would help with overhead. Good management is key to restauranteering, and if the new building owners have experience in that area, they'll know how to keep the doors open.
I also vote for no more museums (and is there any way we can convince the current museum owners to have regular hours open to the public? I'm told there are some wonderful things in all those buildings, but if no one can see them, what's the point?)
The Moline Shaffer House museum has regular hours during the summer, something like three days a week during the morning.
I showed up one day during those hours and the place was locked.
At a later date, the lady explained that people very seldom showed up and the person who was supposed to open that day just stayed home. I was the only visitor that day.
When I went to the Moline museum, I was looking for a specific item. The lady said she had no information on the item and did not know where it might be.
I combed the place and finally found it on the second floor: a night stand from the Boston Hotel.
As for the Benson Museum, I have called twice and someone came both times and let me in for as long as I needed.
Another use for that building would be not only a hotel/food combo but also an outlet for Kansas raised items...like an artisan cheese factory, made with Sarah's goat milk. Just a thought!
I just hope the new owners of the building have some deep pockets. I worked with the previous owner of the building about seven years ago, drawing out plans for lodging, dining, day spa, etc. Previous owner was most definitely "all hat, no cattle".
I'm curious on one thing though. Do the new owners have both the bank building and the one connected to it to the south? They are two different buildings, on two different lots, and the elevations of the floors of the two do not match up.
First of all, who are the new owners? I saw in the paper that Bob Black bought the property. Are the Black's wondering what to do with the building?
Secondly, why not consider what the town needs, something that does not already exist.
A hotel with a coffee shop would be a good idea. How about a bed and breakfast with a coffeeshop and bakery?
Or why not address the youth's needs in this town. Families might consider moving here if there were more youth activities. What about a youth recreation center that could have a safe place for kids to gather for movies, video games, music etc. In the summer it could offer sports, crafts, bus trips etc for children. There could be after school programs as well. Consider also gymnastics, karate, aerobics, dance. How about a children's museum. Many place have very cool museums that have a variety of activities for families. Check out the St. Louis Children's museum, for example.
I also love the idea of a bookstore/coffee shop. A wide variety of printed materials could be available, from newspapers, magazines, books, Christian reading, and a children's section for story telling and crafts. Also consider that crafts, gifts, postcards, souveniers and products made locally and in KS could be featured. Local poets and authors could give talks and workshops. Tours of local and nearby attractions could be arranged here as well.
How about a place to go to hear good music and have a drink without having your eyeballs burned out by cigarette smoke?
What about photography studio?
Why not a fancy pet spa that provides bathing, grooming, boarding, etc? Or a nice do-it-yourself doggie wash with elevated tubs, cushy towels, doggie shampoo etc.
What about a bakery? A meat market? Apartments/condos?
Just wonderin'.
gO LOOK AT THE OLD mOLINE NURSING HOME!
iT IS GREAT!
Quote from: lola330 on July 30, 2008, 06:20:02 PM
...why not consider what the town needs, something that does not already exist. ...
I think that's what they are asking in the post.
I love the idea of an internet cafe - sandwich shop - bakery - barber shop - photog. studio - but I really like that "do it yourself doggie wash! How great would that be! I also like the idea of workshops, but not just for kids... some of us adults haven't learned everything we're wondering about yet either! (Just how would you go about making cheese? or starting a mushroom farm?)
My husband has talked about a "shared" building where it would have a central reception area with a full time secretary ( or whatever is the politically correct term this month). That person could answer phones for all the offices when needed, take messages when the folks were out and direct callers/shoppers to the correct place. Hey! They could be a big help to our community, local chamber, businesses, museums, etc if they just kept a handy list close to the phone of contact numbers to give out!
If there were a retail shop, it wouldn't be unreasonable for that same staff to handle reception with their other duties. I've seen this work personally! The rent for respective businesses in the building could include a small charge for this convenience, and even some of the other businesses in town might benefit from an answering service who could field calls when needed.
We have some beautiful museums in town, really! But there are several already. I think we need some other type businesses to help back-up that attraction, not make more museums on Main Street. That's just my opinion though.
Quote from: lola330 on July 30, 2008, 06:20:02 PM
... How about a place to go to hear good music and have a drink without having your eyeballs burned out by cigarette smoke? ...
Whoo! I'll be there!
pEOPLR ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A NICE PLACE TO EAT!
mY mOTHER AND I drove up to Eureka to eat at a little Tea Room
many times!
The Benson museum is really nice. I do think it is time some young ones get with the program. The last time I was there the only ones working all day so people like myself could enjoy it were in their upper 80's and 90's. Good Lord give them a break!
As far as a place to eat, there are several choices in Elk county. Why not provide another service that does not currently exist?
Let's not try to compete with existing businesses or services, that could possibly cause the loss of those businesses in Elk County. How would taking away business or putting restaurant out of business be good for Elk County?
Here's another idea for the bank building: Why not make a banquet hall where people could have wedding receptions, reunions, funeral dinners, anniversary parties, prom dinners etc. Also, why not include a ball room for dances and musical entertainment.
If you want I could expand the hours of the Soda Fountain to provide you a place to internet cafe. I would only need someone to run it and .....that would be all.... Need Sunday groceries? How about we all think about why we shop on Sunday. We don't work on that day.
Mainstreet of Howard is a ghost town every Sunday after the last church dinner. If we could cater to the out of towners to bring them here, the weekends would be the days they would be available. Even I got burnt out of working 7 days a week after about 10 years of it. You would have to manage your labor and hours of service to match your patrons.
I know I was raised on a ranch where there is always something to do but the majority of the human race is lazy on the nonwork days. Let's build something they will enjoy and suck them into our world on their days off.
High stress jobs mean high pay check... They could come here to relax and spend some of their hard earned money. I don't think that grass fed beef is the way to go. We send cattle to the feedlot for a reason. Corn makes beef better. But I would love to somehow market Elk County Beef. I would like to know how to process it after it has left the county to be fed. Besides bringing it back in a Tyson box. I don't think we have enough grain sources for feeding here.
Wouldn't be great to serve a homegrown top sirloin with all the fixin's in a hometown palace fit for a king in a building built by locals, powered by the Elk county Kansas wind, and view a Howard,Kansas sunset?
I think I just had a moment...
no - the new owners are not the Blacks... the Blacks sold it to Historic Howard Building LLC... don't worry they have "lots of hats and lots of cattle". I don't know if they want themselves known yet... kinda like some of us don't want our identy known... I personally don't want to see any of the local businesses hurt... we have awesome food places in the county... but keep generating the ideas... there have been some real good ones so far... Marcia Moore just gave a presentation tonight on the Howard in the early 1900s - we really had some awesome buildings back then... too bad more of them are not still around... seems like fire got a lot of them. Oh and Howard used to have a flower parade - any one want to revisit that... or maybe the street fair...
:o Someone wants to build in Howard? Do they need any Ideas? I know a guy. Need a property owner swayed? Have a problem with zoning....Local community Improvement committee nominates who ever it is as chairperson with huge Title and no salary.
Revert back to the 1906: Can we bulldoze the current First National Bank building and rebuild the hotel? It was three stories and was the envy of the entire area. We could build Dan a new shop with a lift and parking.
If the east side of the street gets a new building the west side needs to be thinking of something amazing I guess....
Do you have to have over 50 beds to cater to the bus line tourists? Could we stack bunk beds in the rooms and call it the bunk house?
Should we give lots of money to the Flinthills Assembly of God church to get the new building on its way so we can serve the fire water? Fire water is not just for firemen anymore. Firewater makes money more fluid. Come here's need fluid so their funding doesn't dry up.
What about an RV park and ride....Park your RV and we will give you a trailride of Elk County.
Have you ever seen limestone arch bridge? Ariesian well? and a 200 megawatt wind farm on the same trail?
Cave Springs any memories?
There is a nice spot for the stable one block north on the west side of the street. Hanna barn could have a whole new lease on life.
L Hendricks
Quoteno - the new owners are not the Blacks... the Blacks sold it to Historic Howard Building LLC...
Who controls the Historic Howard Building LLC?
W. Gray - I am not going to be the one to tell who owns the Historic Howard Building LLC... I am the messenger asking for ideas from the community of what the community would like.... when the new owners want to reveal their identity... then they can do it... please let's focus on what would be a positive addition to the community....
Very strange, indeed.
It seems to me you all have great ideals. I have one problem. You already have a museum so why put one in the Bank? Also I agree that you would not want to hurt Tooties or Poplur Pizza in anyway. So I would look for things that would draw interest for more the 6 months, the new wears off and traffic stops so goes your revenue.
As every one in the this day and age has some kind of a computer, a wireless internet with a coffee/sandwich shop would be great.
What kind of time frame are we looking at? 6 month a year or two? I think the town needs help now not in the future. sooner would be better.
Maude
I have a pretty good guess as to who was in town on Tuesday that has "lots of hats and lots of cattle". I saw them just after the power went out. However, it would do no good to speculate "out loud" in this forum.
I think a gym with lots of treadmills, weight machines, and tanning beds would be a good idea. Put in a couple of nice locker rooms with showers. It could have a nice "juice bar" that served healthy smoothies. How about an indoor swimming pool in the basement as well. Aerobics, physical therapy, jazzercise, personal trainers, dietician advice.
I would love to go to a local gym.
lola330
That sounds like a good athletic club. Or a YMCA and part of the wellness part of our survey.
I would worry about an indoor pool in an old building........doesn't it matter about what is under the floor/stone/rock/foundation?
I also wondered about another museum? But, what do I know. I would think you do need a draw that is needed for
Howard people............and then what the county needs. Then worry about drawing the out-of-towners in.
Having some place to take family when they show up is a good thing.......instead of going out of county or as in my case we all
have to visit the Elk Falls bridge and falls at least once and maybe even two or three times.....but, that is just me.
Keep the good ideas coming. Sounds like a lot of progressive people on here and that is a "GOOD THING"!!!
OK, after some thought, I'd like to expand on my idea for this building. I'm thinking of something similar to the Red Buffalo store down in Sedan. I envision that when you walk in the door (past the sign that reads, "No Ring Zone"), there will be tables and chairs on one side, and some comfy couches on the other. When you walk in a little further, you find the coffee bar (think Starbucks). Behind the coffee bar, in the back, there will be a more quite area for those people who want to work. Soft chairs, small coffee tables, even maybe some cubicle type areas. Some of the local businesses can sponsor a computer along the back wall for people who just want to go surf the internet. Put a sign above the computer, "Sponsored by Batson's", and the computer will default to Batson's home page with their weekly specials. They can have a joint effort with the library, too. The library can have a small shelf of popular books for people to read. There can be shelves around the room with items made by locals, and all the computers will have all the locals' websites in the Favorites list. The room will be decorated with a mix of classic antiques from the area (some old Howard Fair metal signs), and some black and white pictures of local activities/people taken by local photogs.
Not sure the condition or the layout of the basement, but how about a spa? Some of the local "magic fingers" can have a room for massages, and someone can do manicures and pedicures, too. All with relaxing music playing in a quiet, serene atomosphere. If it's large enough, they can even have some of the local stylists there, too.
I also still think that a 1-2 bedroom Bed and Breakfast should be upstairs. Even just for locals to have a "get-away" without having to drive!
Another museum? No, that was not my intent but MOVING the museum from it's present location to the bank building might revitalize it, marry it up with the industrial portion across the street, and bring renewed interest to the area. There are some remarkable exhibits in that museum; probably one of the best displays of period clothing I have ever seen. And the gown belonging to Judge Roy Beans' heartthrob is enough to take your breath away. The move would also free up retail space along the main street. The museum would probably not take up all the building space and could probably be used in conjunction with a media center/whatever.
The main entrance to the Old Howard National has some fairly steep steps and access will be a problem, that should be kept in mind whatever is done with it. As I recall there are also steps to the side entrance which was to Dr. Buchele's office.
Just for people like me who know what you are talking about, but I can't decide which
building is the OLD BANK. :-\ :-\ :-\
Could one of you show where it is located.
I think it is Caty-corner to the Cox building, but not sure.
Any one want to draw a map and maybe show were each other retail store/fire station and the like is for us
not-from-the-area people? ??? ??? ???
It would help me picture all of this.
Thanks,
Judy
Judy, the old Howard National Bank Building is across the street southeast from the Cox Building. I will see if I can find my pictures of it and post some from 1900, it still looks the same. Cooleys Barbershop was in the basement of it for years, Grover and Carl Cooley were the Barbers. It was just next door on the North from the old Legion Hall. It is straight across the street South from The Gragg Museum.
Frank
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/towns/Howard/index.html
A photo is in the upper left of the above web page.
Thanks Waldo, Judy there it is. It is a really neat structure. What is interesting is the Old First National Bank used to be where the Howard State Bank is now and when the Bryan Motor Company closed, the First moved to that building, the Howard National built the New bank where the Howard State is now. That was quite a change on main street for those days.
What about a hometown movie theater? Mmmmm, I can smell the popcorn now!
Quote from: frawin on August 01, 2008, 01:34:28 PM
Thanks Waldo, Judy there it is. It is a really neat structure. What is interesting is the Old First National Bank used to be where the Howard State Bank is now and when the Bryan Motor Company closed, the First moved to that building, the Howard National built the New bank where the Howard State is now. That was quite a change on main street for those days.
Thanks Waldo and Frank, that is the building I thought you were talking about.
I didn't move to Longon till '78 when I married Charley Croney and really didn't get familiar with Howard, except that Charlie had a daughter and family that lived in Howard. Denola and Max Hileman leaved near to where Wilma lives now (I think) but until then I didn't know there was an Elk County or a Longton or Howard........so I am still catching up.
So I think I always thought that one was empty for a long time. Wasn't Doc Beucle??SP in the part of town where the clinic is now.That was the only doc we saw to do school physicals.
So I am learning as the forum grows on me.
Judy
Judy, Dr. Buchele's office was in the Howard National Bank building we are discussing. His office was on the North side of the building back about halway on the building to the East.
Frank
Judy, I don't remember if Dr Buchele ever had his office down near where the clinic is or not. In the early day Dr. Claypool had an office in that area and Dr. Berthelsen had one down next to where the library is now. I think maybe Dr Buchele quit practicing after he moved out of the old bank building.
Dr. Buchele was in the clinic building or one close to it. I saw him there in the mid 70's or rather my husband did. Doc sent him on to a hospital in Wichita with bronchial pneumonia.
Judy there is your answer.
could have fooled me. I never knew Dr. Buchele to be anywhere but in the bank building.
Dr. Buchele and His wife Irma bought the building from the Claypool's -and Dr. Osborn from Independence and his PA, who was Julie Richards Perkins' father set up practice there and that is when Doc and Irma moved to the Claypool building, he retired from that building when he sold it to Mercy Hospital Clinic Assoc. .
The steep steps of the bank building shouldn't be a problem. Anyone needing a forklift to get to a restaurant to gorge themselves on a double bacon cheeseburger with fried tots and an ice cold milkshake to wash it down should be able to get that at Toots. Otherwise, eat some salad. I myself, enjoy double bacon cheeseburgers with fried tots and ice cold milkshakes. I shall hurl myself up those stairs to get inside if it is a restaurant. ;D
You know all of this sounds really nice, but no one is contemplating how this place will handle the handicapped. ADA plays a huge part in anything that has to be done. Since my mother is in a wheelchair most of the time, looking for wheelchair access when we go shopping is the first thing that gets done. I'm all for someone doing something with the building as long as I don't have to help. LOL
Some of us do and the rest gripe................... ADA is the least of the worries. The fact that the average person is 140lbs overweight, me included requires larger doorways, larger tables and chairs, and a ADA entrance is not that hard to accomplish. You might limit the amount of upstairs public access you will have with no elevator but with the cheapest units at about 150000 plus about a hundred dollars a month in inspection fees they are not cheap. What ever goes in this building I am sure is will be built with sound jugement and a look to the future
Doesn't the city own the lots south of the legion? Are they for sale or could they be incorporated into the building project?
I think that if a person buys a property just for the thought of selling it to turn a profit and it doesn't get sold they should at least keep up general maintenance. Windows and keep the critters out, both two and four legged. A little city input in the form of ordinances could aleiviate alot of the run down and unsafe structures around. Yes it will mean that you might have a city or county inspector to deal with but you won't have neglect and devalueing neighborhood property. ....Maybe I should have posted this by the School building thread.
I'd never argue with an electrician, but our school elevator, with licensing and a maintenance agreement wasn't nearly that much for a two floor one. Now that was new, open construction of course. I'm sure a retro fit with new electric and all would be much more.
Our closest elevator company is Wichita, KC, Tulsa, or beyond. They charge trip charges to even reset the breaker after a lighning strike. Then you have to wait two weeks for the tech to be there.
I love my job... I am a bag boy now. Electrican's work out in the heat and have to get into attics... I am too fat for crawlspaces and can't find small helpers...that can also cut meat, pen cattle, haul round bales, feed the kids, wash the dog.
It doesn't pay very well but at least I get to eat all the icecream screwups and mikshake overflows.
So you are a very multi talented person... :laugh: just like every Kansas person I've ever known!
I bet Patrick, you can mix a mean cherry limeade as well.
Has anyone thought of how some of the buildings in New Orleans were refurbished/repaired? This goes for both the old bank building as well as the old school. I will admit I haven't been home in a while, so I can't say I know a lot about it, but with the state that the school is in maybe some company that did repairs in New Orleans would have advice to offer. I didn't want to vote because I don't live and pay taxes there but I did love Howard so much while there and you guys have to gems in your hands. I honestly believe it would be a shame to lose either one.
Andrea
Oh PEP -- to be multi-talented like you is indeed a gift from above.
Hang tight, our native son, there is a job for you out there, and you will be recognized.
I recognized him just this morning. He was standing at the meat slicer just slicing away at a hunk of cheese. Yesterday I recognized him as he popped up from behind the pharmacy counter with a nail, of all things, in his hand. Something about that was what was holding up the PC shelf and discussing whether or not that was the correct way to build a shelf. ;D
What if we put a set of floodlights pointing up to the sky on the roof... It would be like a beacon bring down incoming air traffic headed to the Beaumont Hotel. If we get RED BULL to sponsor an event we could utilize the wind towers as they are being built. We might need to bury some wires under washington and trim some trees back but that is half of the counties resposibility anyway. It is almost a mile from Cherry to 99. You might have to go around a tractor or lawnmower during the taxi to the chow line. Aren't we getting new lights from Westar for Wabash...couldn't we just put little marker lights on the top. Where are those new lights going to be installed? We are a little far from a major trauma center but we have a state of the art funeral home to soften the blow of a pilot misscalculation.
I hope that the road to 400 is lined with cars trying to see what is going on in Howard in a few years. There is still going to be a need to provide them something to do while here. Golf course/field hockey. It would provide spectators entertainment while giving cowboys something to do between shipping in and shipping out bovine. It could be played at the same time to further incease the chance of someone pulling a steer wrestling move on a double bogey attempt on the last put.
How do we get intouch with NASCAR?
WOW !!! Pepelect. One word---"decaf". Good to see someone with ideas flowing, kinda free form ideas at that!
I understand what L. Hendricks means by "selling" to Howard Historic Building LLC. However, any size group of people can belong to an LLC, including the Blacks and the many hats/cattle people. One person may be in charge of managing the LLC.
Does anyone know what the Howard Historic Building LLC has already considered in regards to the building or what kind of budget there is? Is there a time frame for the proposed project? Is the money investment/renovation a one-time deal or will the LLC continue to be involved financially? Is this a profit or non-profit endeavor?
Or maybe this is just brainstorming at this stage.
I like the idea of rollerskating and bowling too. I don't think we'll have to put in a runway for that, though.
Ditto, Frank.
Few small towns have so much input from younger people.
Quote from: pepelect on August 03, 2008, 10:13:42 AMHow do we get intouch with NASCAR?
I've always wanted to have a go kart track around here, that would be a lot of fun. ;D
With solar or hydrogen cars? :laugh:
Propane or natural gas. Burns a lot cleaner increasing oil life and both are very high octane for some added fun. ;D
They do make some electric karts that are pretty fun but I'm sure the initial costs would be very high and I'm not sure how the battery life is... plus they aren't quite as fun as gas powered karts.
Yeah, with all these bean feeds you all go to, I imagine gas could be a lot of fun. Oh, not that kind? ;D
Actually... some farts have methane in it which is what natural gas is made of so technically... yeah. :laugh:
OK...they've all gone to the meeting so we can talk about them while they're gone. :laugh:
I believe the old bank building could function as a professional complex, composed of small, affordable office spaces.
That way, the revenue for the owner would be coming from a larger base of renters.
As an example, I might put a small newspaper office in the building, but obviously, it would not be staffed all the time --- probably a part-timer who could give us an Elk County presence.
I'm sure there are others. None of us would want an expensive layout --- but if we had 5 or 6 businesses or professional offices, it might occupy a good portion of the street floor. I would think that would leave plenty of space for other business opportunities that have previously been mentioned.
Maybe an Elk Konnected office would be another occupant.
Rudy
That is a great idea. No one would have the full burden of the income or upkeep. Howard Mini Mall.
Quote from: Rudy Taylor on August 15, 2008, 02:10:10 PM
As an example, I might put a small newspaper office in the building, but obviously, it would not be staffed all the time --- probably a part-timer who could give us an Elk County presence.
I would like to meet this part-timer and see their presence. Why do you need a physical presence?
Let's put in a virtual presence. Fill the building with servers and call it a virtual office.
a Casino... LOL
( I know I know... it isn't going to happen in Kansas..) :'(
Quote from: Teresa on September 02, 2008, 07:36:17 PM
a Casino... LOL
( I know I know... it isn't going to happen in Kansas..) :'(
Maybe some chance?
Harrah's wins Kansas casino contract
25 August 2008
by Arnold M. Knightly
By the Las Vegas Gaming Wire
LAS VEGAS, Nevada -- A partnership led by Harrah's Entertainment won a contract Friday to develop and manage a state-owned casino in south central Kansas.
The Lottery Gaming Facility Review Board chose Sumner Resorts-Harrah's Kansas by a 4-3 vote over proposals from Penn National Gaming and Marvel Gaming.
A proposal from MGM Mirage was pulled in May.
Harrah's was awarded a 15-year management contract that calls for 22 percent of the casino's revenue to go to the state. Kansas-based Sumner Resorts will develop the project.
Harrah's Vice Chairman Chuck Atwood said Harrah's likes the project because it will add another property to the company's national customer network of 49 casinos.
"One of the hallmarks of our strategy is a distribution strategy, to provide a network of resorts for our customers to visit," Atwood said. "It fills a very nice spot in our distribution network."
The $535 million resort is planned for Mulvane, a small town 15 miles south of Wichita and 150 miles north of Oklahoma City.
The gaming company's nearest property is 211 miles northeast, Harrah's North Kansas City in Missouri.
Plans submitted to the review committee call for a 175-room hotel, restaurants, pools, an outdoor amphitheater, an 18-hole golf course and convention space.
Although the state will own and operate the casino, all the other amenities will be owned by the partnership, of which Harrah's holds a 40 percent stake.
Atwood said the partnership is confident it can get the project financed in time to have the resort open by late 2010 as scheduled.
"The appeal of the project was helpful as we talked to lenders," Atwood said. "They recognize the project has a lot of appeal, so we're confident it can be financed."
Harrah's now must clear a background check by the Kansas Racing and Gaming Commission. Atwood said he didn't know how long that process would take.
"We've still got work to do," Atwood said. "Obviously, they would be anxious to get started and we would be anxious to get started."
Consultants to the review board estimate first-year revenue for the casino will be $186.5 million.
However, Harrah's faces at least one legal challenge to its new casino.
On Tuesday, the Prairie Band Potawatomi Nation filed a lawsuit alleging the company violated a noncompete agreement with the tribe by seeking the contract for a proposed facility.
A hearing is set for Aug. 29 in Shawnee County District Court on the tribe's request for a court order to keep Harrah's from moving forward with the Sumner-Harrah's project.
Harrah's transferred management for the Harrah's Prairie Band Casino-Topeka, 148 miles northeast of Mulvane, to the tribe on July 1, 2007, nine months ahead of the scheduled termination date.
Atwood told the review board Thursday that the company complied with its contract with the tribe.
The Sumners-Harrah's casino is the first project to be approved since last year's passage of the Kansas Expanded Lottery Act.
Voters amended the state constitution in 1986 to allow a state-owned and operated lottery, and the court said in 1994 that the term "lottery" is broad enough to include slot machines and other casino games.
In June, the Kansas Supreme Court ruled that state would truly own and operate the new gambling, ending any constitutional question about the law.
Penn National did not walk away empty-handed Friday. The company was chosen to manage a casino in southeast Kansas.
However, Penn National officials had said if it wasn't awarded the contract with Sumner, it might not proceed in southeast Kansas because that casino will face stiff competition from a nearby $300 million tribal casino opened in July.
"We need to digest it and see where we need to go. It's obviously disappointing," Penn National spokesman Eric Schippers said, adding that the company's board of directors will have to decide how to proceed.
Two more casino managers will be chosen for Wyandotte and Ford counties, and the review board will vote on applicants for those on Sept. 18-19.
Las Vegas-based companies Golden Gaming and Pinnacle Entertainment have submitted competing bids for Wyandotte.
Las Vegas Sands Corp. pulled its Wyandotte application in July, citing the worsening credit markets and a proposal in neighboring Missouri to end current loss limits and raise wager limits.
Las Vegas-based Olympia Gaming also pulled out of Wyandotte earlier this year.
Quote from: pepelect on July 30, 2008, 08:33:33 PM
Revert back to the 1906: Can we bulldoze the current First National Bank building and rebuild the hotel?
I'd rather you didn't..... :)
Why not, we could move you back one block north. It is a much cooler place to work, especially in the winter. It still says bank on the top.
How about just skimming off the top and building a couple of spires? The old building looked so good.
The new owners of the Bank Building came to the Howard Chamber meeting and although most had already left, asked the for the help of the citizens for a community use for the building. Something that would benifit the entire populus but not burden it for financing. Ideas need to be in keeping the architectual uniqueness of the building.
Yes! It was good to hear the positive attitude from the folks there. They are checking into getting the roof done first, since that's so important in saving the building. I know I'm putting some thought into what will work in that particular beautiful building, be a benefit for the community, and not a financial stress to keep going.
Quote from: Rudy Taylor on August 15, 2008, 02:10:10 PM
I believe the old bank building could function as a professional complex, composed of small, affordable office spaces.
That way, the revenue for the owner would be coming from a larger base of renters.
As an example, I might put a small newspaper office in the building, but obviously, it would not be staffed all the time --- probably a part-timer who could give us an Elk County presence.
I'm sure there are others. None of us would want an expensive layout --- but if we had 5 or 6 businesses or professional offices, it might occupy a good portion of the street floor. I would think that would leave plenty of space for other business opportunities that have previously been mentioned.
Maybe an Elk Konnected office would be another occupant.
Rudy
Kind of an Office This concept, eh? Well, Kent could have a space there for the Farm Management office, Elk Konnected would have a space, how about some of the real estate personages and insurance businesses? You could move the Extension office there, too, as there would be better parking and a larger venue to hold meetings in. You could also offer it as a place for Greenbush to come and hold seminars for the classified staff. What about putting an SRS office there? What other services are needed and would come if there was an available working space for them to set up shop in? Oh...and you could have a really big Community Center there, since there's got to still be big space in that place that was the kitchen...you could go to some professional-level stoves and such second-hand and refurbish the kitchen so that it could be used on a larger level for the community. And, couldn't you designate some of that space for the wellness center that you all have been pining for? You could have one person there at all times, to keep the facility open...I'm envisioning lots of Cocoon moments with people getting rejuvenated! lol
Good stuff, Catwoman.
Since I don't live in Howard, I'll mostly keep my mouth shut. But I still believe it would be wise to fill the building with small offices or shops.
If people who already have offices in town move to the old bank building and form an office complex, then main street will look worse, not better. What we will have more empty storefronts filled with crap, unattended targets for rock throwing and pigeon poop.
What should happen if and when the bank building begins to be saved is that everyone else on main street should be motivated to improve their storefronts. There is a lot of deferred maintenance already occurring on main street. In addition, there are currently buildings on main street that are left to sit unoccupied until the roofs cave in and the windows are broken, the floors warp and walls buckle. It goes beyond simple renovation. Some of those buildings should be condemned. Who can afford to come in and perform all the repairs and updates necessary to start a small business in town? The last thing we need is another empty storefront on main street.
We need to offer a service that people currently go out of town to receive. We need to cater to families and their needs and budgets. We don't need a professional level kitchen. Go to the Cox building if you need space with a kitchen. You can rent the elementary schools for space and a kitchen.
A wellness center would not need a person there all the time if people paid an annual fee and received a key card. A youth center downstairs and a wellness center upstairs would be awesome. A youth center could be operated on weekends or some evenings by volunteers or a part-time employee.
I think the building would work great as a retail store downstairs and office area upstairs. I think to have some attractive, small, office space to bring in outside business would be good. E.G. Prairie Star office. It can be a type of co-op business space; everyone pay rent and get to use the copy/ fax machine, etc.
As we are finding out with our Wellness center research... 2 floors = elevator = >50K. (no joke) If it is private offices, they might not require an elevator. If it's a public wellness center or youth center, it would probably require one.
I agree about moving existing businesses in town and creating more empty buildings, but some of those buildings might work as a larger space for another business looking to move/relocate. But, as we attract more people to the county, small office spaces (that they can move right into without doing anything to the building) might be a draw.
OK, side rant... who cares what our downtown main street looks like if we don't have anything to "guide" people that direction??? Where are the billboards/signs along the highway directing people downtown? Where is our "Howard Pride" that makes people want to slow down under 55 mph when driving through town and make 1 or 2 turns along the way?
The owners of the bank building are Tom and Myra Devlin. They have stated that whatever the community wants they are willing to pay the "lion's share" of expenses. (That is a direct quote) I am sure if an elevator is needed, one would be provided.
The good thing about brainstorming is that there are no limits.
Isn't there a committee in the Chamber of Commerce that is supposed to work on a sign on the highway? A lot of people take a ride to shop and eat on Saturdays. What would they find on a Saturday afternoon to keep them in Howard long enough to spend some money?
And don't get me started on that Chamber. Their biggest draw is a festival that stops people before they even get into town where the businesses (also known as commerce) are located. How is that helpful? The businesses should be featured.
They make a big deal out giving a "citizen of the year" award. It is not a social club. It is the Chamber of Commerce. The business of the year should be awarded, not a citizen.
What kind of retail store are you thinking?
Very good points, lola. I just didn't know if people realized how expensive an elevator is; I sure didn't until recently!
I'm one of those people that when they drive into a town, if there is a cute sign for a business, I'm likely to stop in. That's why I think a sign on the highway is important! Drive people into the downtown area! Unfortunately, the downtown area is quite a ways from the highway, and there really isn't a natural flow to get people there. So you have to have some "excitement" on the highway to draw interest.
Ahh... very interesting thought... we were talking on the Elk River Fest thread about getting the booths to an area where people can see them/get to them better. How about along the down-town streets in front of the non-business buildings? (OK we need to fix some sidewalks first, though)
I was thinking something like the Red Buffalo down in Sedan. They have an office above that store (very, very nice). And the store itself has all sorts of things... from purses, belts, house decor to a coffee shop and then a small antique store connected to it, too. I think they even have a screen printing business for local sports shirts and hats? Or they used to, anyway... it might be an art gallery now.
The festival used to be held on main street. I liked it that way. Everything was in the same area and you didn't have to travel all over to view different things. I do not like it being on the courthouse lawn, I never have.
I would like to see the offices on the 2nd floor as well. Maybe a small daycare - I know we have 2 but I have heard people say that Howard could use another. The retail space is an excellent idea also. There is an old nursing home in Eureka that has been converted into a retail shop. Each room is rented by a business or craft vendor or even antique dealers. I think that's a wonderful idea.
I agree Tobina, we DO need an advertisement for Howard out on the highway. People just speed through and miss it. Once someone asked me where I was from and I told them a little town called Howard they had probably never heard of...BUT - they had! They said - oh, the little town with Toot's on the highway? Toot's is so popular - lets advertise there. Lets put up a billboard at 99/400. Handmade soap, old-fashioned soda fountain....
The only reason I go out of town is to go to the doctor, and...WalMart. There's other reasons I go out of town - but none of them would make sense in the old bank building. For example - Can you put the Hostess bread shop in El Dorado in the building? What about a smoke shop - Billy loves the occasional cigar.. . I'm sure the smoke shop could be doable but how popular is that? I also spend large amounts of money on my scrapbooking hobby, I have to go out of town for that. I can't get scrapbooking merchandise here. Same with quilting fabric and sewing notions.
Quote from: lola330 on October 29, 2008, 02:09:34 PM
The owners of the bank building are Tom and Myra Devlin. They have stated that whatever the community wants they are willing to pay the "lion's share" of expenses. (That is a direct quote) I am sure if an elevator is needed, one would be provided.
Tom and Myra Devlin are responsible for the Piedmont gymnasium being renovated so that it can be used. They and donations and a lot of volunteers. It used to have to be scrubbed before anything could be held there. Now the pigeon poo is gone and the building is reasonably comfortable altho not air conditioned or heated.
We do need more prominent signs on the highway and I am still missing the sign that listed the churches in town. I don't know how long it has been gone. There is nothing out there to entice a tourist into downtown.
Ah, but there are people who sell scrapbooking supplies who might want to have some things in a retail shop. Or there may be a guy who wants to sell a few cigars, but can't afford building of his own. A retail shop could combine all these things into one. You could sell your bread there, Devyn! Joanna can sell her picalilly (still don't know what that is). Teresa could do her massages in the back and her grandkids could finally have a room to sleep in! ;)
Very true Tobina. I was just on a rant and thinking at the same time. I did purchase a very expensive Cricut machine for scrapbooking - you can make personal stickers and many other things...I could sell those!!
Speaking of bread - yours smells so delicious right now it's making my stomach rumble.
I would also like to see more apparel offered in Howard. A small western wear shop possibly. I know we can't cater to everyone's styles but I think the majority of our population would like to buy a good pair of jeans and boots locally.
;D ;D ;D don't know what picalilly is? You were born in the wrong age. Now days they probably call all that sort of thing "relish".
CRICUT??? Oh, you're my new best friend... ;D I haven't been dedicated to scrapbooking enough lately to justify one of those. OK, I haven't been dedicated AT ALL. When winter rolls around I get better, but rubber stamping is more my flavor. But those Cricuts are fun, for sure!
I digress... anyway, there are possibilities for the bank building, for sure. I think there are so many needs/wants in Howard right now, that it's hard to narrow it down. I've never been inside that building, either. It may be well-suited for a certain type of business without doing a lot of work (I know, a BANK! Hahaha!). Another thing that comes to mind, is a upper-end antique store. It seems that towns with lots of antique stores seem to do well and other downtown businesses thrive, too. People will take weekend drives to visit antique stores.
Relish, Flo? The relish I eat is from sweet pickles. I'm intrigued...
Very true! My mother loves going down south to Caney on the weekends to the antique shops. I think Sedan has such a lovely main street. There are so many awesome shops...I can only go so often, otherwise I come home with an empty wallet.
I just got the Cricut actually and it's my new best friend. Billy has to yell at me to come out of the sewing room for family time. It's very fun and user friendly. I invested in one because I'm doing scrapbooks for Lane every year he's in school. We also have a family scrapbook. I have never really gotten into rubber stamping, but I do a lot of punch outs. Those little things are expensive! ANYHOW, I'm off subject.
Maybe there should be a poll about the old bank building sent out to citizens, or picked up at public places.
I would have to say that Severy has the monopoly on the sewing notions and quilting supplies. If you can't find them there you don't need them.
Don't build a clothing store yet.....Mill Feed and supply super center is about to open and they are going to offer western clothes. Work shirts, hats, etc.....Cool furniture for your porch.....
I would like to see something to capture the hunting and fishing crowd that swarms here every year. Or better yet something that appeals to the wives of the hunter/fishermen so that they will make the trip also. Or in the reverse case the husband will go along with the wife as she shoots.....(Sorry T for being so.....well you know)
I would like to see some of the local craftsmen, whose work is sought after regionally, showcased. Ie John Ed Robertson, C&O, Mike Hall, Verlon Saxton, Mark Zellner, Ron Johnson, Chad, Bob, John Gray, to just name a few... These are but a few of the local guys that fill a specialized trade niche and have some pretty awesome talents.
Need a place to ask where to get things done. Basicly what Kay and Becky do over at the office. On stop shopping. If you need a bass boat. We know who to call. If you need fencing we will get back to you on that also. Drain stopped up. Call one of our plumbers and here is the number. Need a tire fixed.....Want some used shoes to go to the lake?!.. Where do I get a fishing license? Do I need a map to find the walk in hunting area? What do the purple posts mean? Where can I pee?
I have the opposite opinion about businesses moving to the new place. It will free up the older cheaper to buy/rent places for new business. We do have some pressing needs.
How about a Liquor store.........lumber yard........Clothes store......Antique store.....Office supply.......Electronics for home, car audio, and just noise.....Durable medical goods........Leather shop with boots, tack, biker clothes..........Small engine repair.......Auto repair.........A decent priced prompt electrician....Toy store......Hubble rubble repair shop.......Barbershop with the cool pole........Graphics design studio......Artists loft...... A T M ....Weight room.....Apartment complex.....Bicycle shop........A bar that is open every night......
Quote from: pepelect on October 29, 2008, 07:05:46 PM
...Need a place to ask where to get things done. Basicly what Kay and Becky do over at the office. On stop shopping. If you need a bass boat. We know who to call. If you need fencing we will get back to you on that also. Drain stopped up. Call one of our plumbers and here is the number. Need a tire fixed.....Want some used shoes to go to the lake?!.. Where do I get a fishing license? Do I need a map to find the walk in hunting area? What do the purple posts mean? Where can I pee?...
Ha! That's what I used the Forum for when I came to town 8) Still do!
I'm glad to see so many suggestions.
I like some of the ideas really well, some not so much... I guess that's what diversity is all about. ;D
We really really need a boot repair shop, to resole and do leather work on those favorite boots that you hate to throw away..
Quote from: lola330 on October 29, 2008, 01:26:22 PM
If people who already have offices in town move to the old bank building and form an office complex, then main street will look worse, not better. What we will have more empty storefronts filled with crap, unattended targets for rock throwing and pigeon poop.
What should happen if and when the bank building begins to be saved is that everyone else on main street should be motivated to improve their storefronts. There is a lot of deferred maintenance already occurring on main street. In addition, there are currently buildings on main street that are left to sit unoccupied until the roofs cave in and the windows are broken, the floors warp and walls buckle. It goes beyond simple renovation. Some of those buildings should be condemned. Who can afford to come in and perform all the repairs and updates necessary to start a small business in town? The last thing we need is another empty storefront on main street.
We need to offer a service that people currently go out of town to receive. We need to cater to families and their needs and budgets. We don't need a professional level kitchen. Go to the Cox building if you need space with a kitchen. You can rent the elementary schools for space and a kitchen.
A wellness center would not need a person there all the time if people paid an annual fee and received a key card. A youth center downstairs and a wellness center upstairs would be awesome. A youth center could be operated on weekends or some evenings by volunteers or a part-time employee.
If downtown revitalization is what you're after, then you need to get in a planner who has experience with not only seeking the grants to facilitate that revitalization effort but also the vision to steer you all in the right direction on getting all of your hopes and dreams accomplished. A grass roots effort is nice but not sufficient to bring you the type advancement that you need in order to keep your downtown from dying further. Moline faces the same quandry as Howard. Perhaps, if the two towns were to go together to hire someone, you might have better luck.
Quote from: Tobina on October 29, 2008, 04:21:04 PM
. Teresa could do her massages in the back
Why do massages always have to be in the back? Why can't they be out front?
(gasp) DAVID! I hope you mean in the front of the STORE! Plus, it might be a little... breezy.
Catwoman; I have 2 words for you... ELK KONNECTED. "Stay with us as we grow!"
It takes a long time with slow, steady motion to get a square wheel rolling, and that's exactly what all the teams, and our Kansas Communities leader, in Elk Konnected are faced with. But, just look at the stuff the Youth Dev. team got done this summer (outdoor movies). Stay tuned for some very positive activities in the next year. It is WAY more than "grassroots" efforts, too. Although we haven't got a lot of outside publicity yet (where the heck is our special section on the Forum?!?!), within the county, our name is becoming well-known.
Quote from: Tobina on October 30, 2008, 11:00:46 AM
(gasp) DAVID! I hope you mean in the front of the STORE! Plus, it might be a little... breezy.
Catwoman; I have 2 words for you... ELK KONNECTED. "Stay with us as we grow!"
It takes a long time with slow, steady motion to get a square wheel rolling, and that's exactly what all the teams, and our Kansas Communities leader, in Elk Konnected are faced with. But, just look at the stuff the Youth Dev. team got done this summer (outdoor movies). Stay tuned for some very positive activities in the next year. It is WAY more than "grassroots" efforts, too. Although we haven't got a lot of outside publicity yet (where the heck is our special section on the Forum?!?!), within the county, our name is becoming well-known.
Tobina the communication commit is having a meeting on wensday the 4th and im hoping we can have the special section ready to go i do how ever need a contact email for each group so we can let all of you know we have it ready to use
mary
.......Electronics for home, car audio-- These are already available in Howard at J and L Video. Have been following this thread and decided to throw in a stitch or two. Don't forget us down on this end of town.
Methinks that maybe the business ads board should be used more. I didn't know that J & L had those things. How about more business ads?
This is what I want a big giant electronic billboard for....The entire area needs to know what is available here.....
Note to self have Larry fix xm radio in truck....
Quote from: Tobina on October 30, 2008, 11:00:46 AM
(gasp) DAVID! I hope you mean in the front of the STORE! Plus, it might be a little... breezy.
Tobina, you're naughty!
Larry sells tvs, vcrs, dvd players, car stereos, computers, digital cameras. You want it, he'll get it. We have bought 2 tvs from him, a dvd player, AND a laptop computer. He has also worked on our desktop computer. He does excellent work!
All back talk and sass you get from Larry is free of course.
Now listen up folks.. cause I speak the truth here.. really I do. :angel:
I go in there ..all nice and quiet..just minding my own business.. and as usual ...not bothering anyone.. just wanting to go look at the videos to make my choice and all I get is insults and back talk from him.
I swear.. I don't deserve any of it! Really I don't! HONEST!
I don't know why he thinks he has to give me such a hard time.. **sniff sniff* :'( :'(
With him being so verbally abusive to me and me being so timid and frightened.... well.....well ....(**sniffling and wiping my nose*** )
I get soooo intimidated by his behavior that I just start cringing and shaking in my shoes before I even step in the door.
I usually leave with my video in hand and tears streaming from my face because of the treatment I get in there.
But ...........................................(*** real sad *** ) he has all the good top movies..so I just put on my brave smile and go in and face it.
I have bought equipment from him also.. Excellent merchandise...but he still is mean to me.
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((((((((((((walking off mumbling to myself.)))))))).....I'm such a sweet nice person too.. :angel: never giving anyone a hard time.. only being polite and on my best most well mannered behavior :angel: especially to Larry...and for the life of me I don't know what triggers that awful side of him towards me...... :'( :'( :'( :'( ))))))))))
:( :( :(***kicking the dirt as I walk away****
Careful, Teresa. Some Newbie just might think you're serious.
You mean serious about Larry being mean to me?.. or me being a sweet and ever ever so nice person...... ?
I am serious on both counts.. really really really I am.... :angel:
Quote from: Teresa on November 03, 2008, 03:39:45 PM
me being a sweet and ever ever so nice person...... ?
I am serious on both counts.. really really really I am.... :angel:
Teresa, you think maybe your mother and my mother were cousins? I'd swear we're related with sweet and nice running in the family. :angel:
Why I do declare.. they surely must be.. I betcha we are cuuuuuzins... ;D ;D ;D
Naaaawwww There wasn't enough "sweet and nice" left over for any one but the two of us -- Flo's Mama and Teresa's Mama !!
Maybe one of these days - you two will get a small little trickle of sweetness though. Sure hope so, as you both could use it.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D