Today, Glenn Beck called Obama "the Manchurian Candidate."
BECK: "Let me give you this -- this line. I said a little while ago I think this guy is the Manchurian candidate, and what I mean by that is, I don`t think any of us know who this guy is. I think he knows who he is, but we don`t know who he is. He said -- this is a while back; this is from his book. He said, "I`m new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I`m bound to disappoint some, if not all of -- if not all of them."
This guy is flip-flopping back and forth and changing his views. Nobody really knows who he is. Does the American public at any time with this guy, with the media in his pocket, do they ever say, OK, no, I don`t - - I don`t trust you?
Although The Manchurian Candidate is a good book and a good movie, it is mistitled: Manchuria (read Chinese Communists) did not create a presidential candidate; they created a man tasked with wounding a candidate in order to secure for him the sympathy vote.
This time, things may be quite different and before it goes any further, we need to know who, exactly, is pulling B. Hussein Obama's strings.
And what about all the flip-flops? As Glenn Beck Says, "Senator Obama`s got a whole closet full. We`ll take a look at his flip-flopping record and try to find out who this guy really is."
As Glenn said today talking with LA Gov Bobby Jindal: Governor, let me -- let me start with these flip-flops. He has flip-flopped on these issues, and just -- just a few of the issues. The FISA bill, the death penalty for child rape, the NAFTA free trade agreement, the D.C. gun ban, special interests, public financing, Cuba embargo, legal immigration, decriminalization of marijuana, and the D.C. school voucher program. Oh, and also meeting with Iran.
This guy is being treated in the media -- they`re saying that he`s just taking more pragmatic views, not flip-flopping. He`s -- he`s just recalibrating his thought. Have you seen anything like this?
Consider:
When asked casually why he did not wear a flag pin in his lapel, Obama gave a convoluted answer, the gist of which was, "that those who wear the flag are phony patriots and that he prefers to show his patriotism by his actions." (So far at that time, the only related action is not wearing the flag.)
Later, he changed his story, saying, "he used to wear a flag on his lapel but, as often as not, he forgot it."
Any normal politician, seeking votes, would wear the pin as an outward show – even if he felt it was a sham – of his patriotism and his pride in America. Not Obama.
Perhaps he had a deeper, secret reason for refusing to display allegiance to this country.
A few days ago, he was seen wearing the flag pin in Unity, NH. Today he was wearing it while giving a rousing speech in Independence, MO on Patriotism. Quite a flip-flop from "those who wear the flag are phony patriots."
Consider:
Obama says he never attended Muslim schools. His own half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng and brother, Malik Obama, says that he did attend such schools.
He claims to have never been a Muslim, but Rev. Wright assisted in converting him to Christianity only twenty plus years ago.
Consider:
When addressing prospective voters, Michelle Obama wails that "they" are trying to deny her husband the nomination. She has even said "they" are trying to take it away from him. (Although the mysterious "they" are never called out by name, I'd bet that in this case "they" is Rush Limbaugh and his Operation Chaos. But she can't name him because he hits back – hard.)
Let's examine those statements. Even "they" can't take away from Obama something he never had, unless...
Was he promised the nomination?
After all, he is a United States Senator who, by the time of the presidential election will have served almost one-third of his first term. Surely he deserves the nomination, right? Wrong.
Who promised him the top slot that Michelle now fears is being snatched away from him?
Consider:
In every primary so far, Obama has outspent all candidates by a factor of two or three to one. Should we really believe those millions of dollars are coming from the unemployed people he has described and denigrated as clinging to guns and religion? If that is true, then they're a hell of a lot better off than anyone is saying.
Consider:
Hamas, a known terrorist group, has endorsed Obama for president. B. Hussein Obama is the man they want in the White House. Wonder why?
When John McCain mentions this endorsement, he is accused (by Obama and his handlers) of running a smear campaign.
Yet Obama has never repudiated or denounced the endorsement. (Of course, it took him twenty years to denounce Rev. Wright, so maybe he just needs some time.)
Does anyone know why Obama apparently feels that the endorsement of a Mideast terrorist group is something worth keeping?
Consider:
It took twenty years for Obama to realize his pastor/mentor/adviser/friend is spouting hatred and division. But almost as soon as he "denounces" Reverend Wright (as the Reverend says, Obama has to say what politicians say) he openly supported Wright's replacement in the Trinity Church – a pastor who hails a dead gangsta rapper as a prophet, who compares Moses and Jesus to thugs; who says that, when Jesus was on the cross, he was just hanging out with a couple of other thugs. Man, you just couldn't get enough of that old-time religion, Mr. Obama.... that old-time, hate-filled, agitate-the-masses religion.
Although one is known by the company he keeps, we don't yet know for sure that Obama shares the outlook of either pastor (though there is reason to suspect he does). It may be he stuck with this church for twenty years because it provided cover for who he really is.
Nah. That's outlandish, right? The stuff of movies.
Consider:
One of Obama's advisors on foreign policy, Robert Malley, has been in direct contact with the terrorist organization Hamas. But he was dismissed from Obama's staff only after he went public with that information.
Consider:
Obama can't seem to help surrounding himself with friends and advisors who hate America, hate Israel or both: Reverend Wright, Wright's replacement, bomb-thrower William Ayers, Rashid Khalidi... Oh, yeah: He also seems to have married a hater.
Consider:
Obama has repeatedly stated he will immediately pull our troops out of Iraq, even though common sense should tell him that an Iraq in turmoil and without our presence becomes a soft target for the expansionist dreams of the mullahs in Iran.
Or maybe he does know that.
Consider:
Michelle Obama (who attended Harvard and now draws down a six-figure salary) says that, for the first time in her life she is proud of her country:
--- Not proud of any of the opportunities afforded her along the way;
--- not proud of the fact that she can easily afford those music lessons and summer camps for her children;
---not proud of the fact that a somewhat shady friend got her and Obama a sweetheart deal on a lavish home.
--- Actually, her resentment seems to stem from the fact that she had to work to earn her degree- as opposed to being given one because she is entitled - and that, on her measly $200,000-plus salary she has difficulty seeing why she should have to repay the student loans that led to that salary.
No, she only became proud of America when she saw the fawning crowds who greeted her husband as if he was, indeed, a messiah and this election cycle the Second Coming.
Strangely, it was at that time that those of us who are not brain-dead, who are not taken in by empty platitudes and slogans, saw those same slavish crowds and began to fear for our country.
Consider:
Obama has repeatedly said he will engage in dialogues with our enemies, especially the rabid-dog president of Iran, who has promised to wipe Israel off the map.
One can only wonder what concessions Obama will make.
Perhaps he'll assure them they can have all the nukes they want so long as they promise to not use them.
Consider:
For the first time in our history we are in a war of ideology. We are not fighting aggressors looking to expand their territory or enrich their treasuries; we are fighting religious fanatics who wish to destroy our way of life, who consider anyone not a Muslim to be an infidel any Muslim can murder at will.
And yet many Americans, at this time of peril, are hell-bent on electing a man whose attitudes and influences are, to say the least, suspect; whose true backers (the "they" who evidently promised him the White House) may be someone other than the "clingers" recently insulted and dismissed by Obama himself.
Whose candidate are you, Senator Obama? Who is really pulling your strings?
.....Warph
The answer to that question would be: Kennedy.
Amen.
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Now it is I who will give you a standing ovation Warph.. for finding all the words to say what a huge portion of Americans know but just couldn't get the words to come out right.
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Now it is I who will give you a standing ovation Warph..
Ahh... you didn't.... er.... ah.... just come out of the.... the shower like Kjell did and give me a standing ovation, did you?
Now that would have been cool! 8)
;) Nooooope! ;D
oh. :-[ :angel:
I believe most people on this forum are flipfloppy to tell you the truth, and very very nieve.... Do you believe everything you read and more important do you believe everything you write..... Talk about smear campaigns do you really believe in not judging others I have read on here people talking and refering to the bible Well you need to go read your bibles again and again and again...
Naive not nieve my bad
Good for you!!! ;)
Sounds like tallerthanmost might be coming up shorter than most at the moment...I have not read anyone spouting profusely from the Bible (which, by the way, is capitalized). If there were any brief quotes from the Good Book, I'm sure the people who did it were completley in earnest, much the same as those of you who have had such an earnest reaction to even the briefest taint of even the smallest possibility of racism...even when it absolutely wasn't there. Before you go admonishing anyone to read their Good Books, I would make the suggestion..."Physician, heal thyself!". Before you can remove the splinter from someone else's eye, you have to remove the plank from your own.
I say "Good for you" to tallerthanmost for correcting her spelling. Wish more people would take the time to do that.
Spelling has been corrected and the plank removed! :-) Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow, Wilma!! :-)
Catwoman............
+1 :)
Tallerthanmost, I can understand how you might say some of those things, but to say there are people spouting the Bible. I don't know if you are talking about the religious\spiritual part of the forum since I don't look there, but I don't see that at all in other parts of the forum. That is just an utter mis-characterization of what goes on here. If you had said racist, right wing, passionate, rigid maybe I could understand how you mistook some of what is said on the forum.
While the spelling and grammar on the forum is often poor, many times it is due to the informality of typing off the top of your head.
More importantly what you will find on here is a group of people that anyone would be lucky to have as a friend.
David
dnalexander...
+1 to you also. :)
One more important thing.
No matter how much you disagree and sometimes need a break from the "heated" topics you will always be welcomed back to the conversation. Tallerthanmost thanks for your opinion. I look forward to your participation on the forum.
David
So David, is it smoky out where you are? You are in CA?
Sixdogsmom, Yes I am in California. I live in Belmont halfway between San Francisco and San Jose. When you hear about Silicon Valley that is where I live. The nearest big fires are 40 to 50 miles away. It is very smokey here and we are supposedly registering the worst air quality ever recorded. Last count was 1400 fires in the state. Very bad right now. Thanks for asking.
David
So sorry to upset some of you on here. What I meant by all that I have said is that some on here are very judmental and flipflop with their own opinions I read something a person has said then they contradict themselves with their next statement... I read people saying its wrong to judge someone then they are the ones that are judging.. The Bible ( I capt. this time for you) is where people can go to find their way of how they should be living their lifes and to be healed, a Physician is where you go to be mediciated and healed. As far as the racism comment that is what got me going in the first place it is alife and going strong on here by many comments being made. Which is very sad it is 2008 people and the United States is definetly a huge melting pot and we all have to live work and play side by side with all races, be that black, white, mexican, asian etc etc etc. Obama is half black yes he is also half white, he seems to be a very good family man, he seems to be very educated, he seems to love the United States and we can not knock the man for that. His fathers Muslim, we dont pick are fathers, we cannot change who are parents are, we can only be who we want to be, only we can make are futures and I believe we cannot punish anyone for who their parents are but look at only who they are as a person... He is a good leader sure there may be someone out there who could do a better job theres always someone out there better but where are they.. We have two gentlemen to choose from not from the better ones... So we are now in a postition where we have to choose from the ones who stepped up to the plate and put themselves out there for us to choose and on the bad side for some of us to judge and put down when all they want to do is make the United States a better place for all of us.....
Before you point your fingers and Judge Make sure your on hands are clean..
Right on Tallerthanmost!! Echo! Echo! Yes we can. It is time for the United States to grow up and really be what we say that we are. We need to care for one another, and put each other to the forefront. To the far right, if that is too liberal , then I am sorry that is the way you feel. We have an excellent chance to unite this country by electing this candidate. How better to set an example than to come from his background and end up where he is now?
We need to stop allowing big industry and big oil run our government and demanding the blood of our young people to protect their interests. We need to stop allowing big industry exporting our jobs and then importing the goods whilst benefiting from the tax breaks they receive. We need to stop favoring the rich, no matter how much they whine, income tax should be just that; income tax, and FICA should be just that; FICA. We need to stop the lobbyists from having so much influence in Washington. We don't need 'em! Get rid of 'em!
We need to get out of Iraq, and this unwinnable war. How long will young people be willing to sacrifice their lives for this? How long before the draft? What purpose is the war in Iraq?
We need to clean up education; get the stuff out of the classroom and the teachers in there. Pay a good teacher well, and get rid of the poor ones. Look into tenure as a start.
We need to look to energy efficiency in all public buildings. Why should tax dollars be going to air condition/ heat a public building that is inefficient.
We need to look at fair pricing at the chain food stores. I really think that some are using the fuel as an opportunity to gain even greater profit. This after driving out local competition with unrealistic low pricing. Maybe we need to start to use the price ceiling again like after WWII when inflation was rampant.
I agree with Senator Obamas views on the technology for the land. He advocates an all paperless society and high speed internet in every home. I have noticed that in every business, every medical facility, and nearly every sales facility, paper is used as well as computers. What a duplication of effort and a waste of efficiency for paper.
Post away TTM, I like your style!! :laugh: :-* :-*
Tallerthanmost I understand what you are saying and agree with some and disagree with some. I welcome a healthy debate on all issues. My specific disagreement was with your characterization that people were spouting the Bible. I have lived in many diverse places and have often been the "odd man out" when it comes to beliefs. It has been a blessing and has given me a tolerance for many diverse views. Our differences and the great tapestry of people, that make up the United States, is what makes this country the best place to live in the world. Of all the many diverse forums that I take part in, I have found this to be among the most civil in discussing controversial issues. Your point of view is important to our conversation. To everyone thanks for the unique community that we have here on this forum.
David
I am amazed and disappointed that this is the philosyphy of someone from Elk County Kansas. Sounds like Socialism with a touch of Communism, certainly doesn't sound like the American Dream that I was taught as a young boy, "work hard and you can accomplish anything you want to". If you put in a government that controls everything, you may be very disappointed at the freedoms you loose.
Frank
Just what exactly sounded like socialism and communism.
A better education for our youth, energy effeciency, getting rid of lobbyist that control and corrupt our government, or a citizen's concern over a very difficult war? Which of these topics makes you Anti-American?
I am certain that any issue that deals with big oil and controlling the rape of the American people whilst they profit would seem to be socialistic to this poster. Since he lives, eats, and breathes on the oil market, he feels threatened at the loss of these unfair profits by big oil. Be certain to conserve on your gasoline consumption so there will be more for them to trade at even higher prices! The golden oxen is being threatened!
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I am amazed and disappointed that this is the philosyphy of someone from Elk County Kansas. Sounds like Socialism with a touch of Communism, certainly doesn't sound like the American Dream that I was taught as a young boy, "work hard and you can accomplish anything you want to". If you put in a government that controls everything, you may be very disappointed at the freedoms you loose.
Frank
SDM, then American Oil industry is made up of Millions of hard working people and the American oil Companies are owned by the people, Millions of them as employees, stockholders, retrirement plans and individual investments. The Ameican oil industry was instrumental in developing nearly all of the worlds current reserves and is the primary reason you and all of the U.S. has enjoyed unlimited cheap energy for the past 100 years. If you put added tax on the oil indusrtr you will only be reducing their investments in future energy and creating even greater shortages. As far as your remarks about me personally, I have worked very hard for 40 years to learn the oil and gas marketing and transportation business and I am very proud of it. I am 67 years old and I continue to work every day because I enjoy it and I don't believe in setting around doing nothing. The American oil Companies do not set the price of world oil.
Frank Winn
WOW...I just got back into town and popped on my computer to find out what the good people of the forum were doing and find a mini-war going on...and it sounds like ttm and minnie have been on the phone comparing notes. It is mindboggling to see how polarized this thread has become.
David, I was grateful for your coming through, once again, with the common touch...we are all in this together. Frank, I am really proud of you for your tolerance in the face of such intolerance. TTM, you need to remember that the only thing that was an issue was your broad statement that there were people quoting copiously from the Bible...which wasn't happening in the least. I read your latest post and liked what I read...until the comment regarding clean hands. At the risk of REALLY upsetting you, let me quote a better man..."let those without sin be the first to cast their stone"...and I'm pretty sure that leaves ALL of us out...even me...if you can imagine! ::)
Come on, guys...Frank is undeniably one of the brightest minds on here, which is obvious from his well-written and fact-filled posts...and the fact that he has enjoyed his chosen work over his lifetime is to his credit...I wish there were more people who were as internally motivated and pragmatic in their views as Frank. David falls in that category, too, as well as the undeniable category of DIPLOMAT. I can't understand where ttm and Minnie (who stated that it is too bad that Obama and people like him are being persecuted for their beliefs...I believe that persecution is a strong word for someone who willingly enters the political arena, knowing what type of activities are involved in politics to begin with) are coming from, since I cannot comprehend anyone having such blind allegiance to anything, much less a political figure...I have spent too many years around too wide a variety of people...and such blindness is reminiscent of earlier decades when there were other 'leaders' who inspired such hysterical reponses on the part of their followers...and the years that followed those 'leaders' were tragic for the entire civilized world. Support a candidate...even throw your hard-earned monies after them, if you absolutely must...but keep your eyes open to what they truly are...not just what they would promise to be...and that goes for both of the presumed candidates.
Now...HAPPY 4TH OF JULY TO YOU ALL!!!!! MAY YOU ALL CONTINUE TO SAFELY ENJOY THE BLESSINGS OF A FREE SOCIETY!!
Catwoman, I would like to address your comment about myself having such blind allegiance to anything, much less a political figure. Just where in my comments have I ever showed allegiance to any one candidate. In this thread I was simply asking Frank, whom I also believe to be an intelligent man, that it was irresponsible to call someone anti-American simply for their beliefs just because they aren't his beliefs.
Don't you even presume to know where my allegiances lie and I will assure you that I am not blind to any issues what-so-ever!
So, you need to take a step back before you start pointing fingers and calling people out! And the reason you don't know where I am coming from is that you don't know what my beliefs are!
I have not attacked anyone or said that their beliefs are wrong, unlike you, I was just pointing out Frank's response to SDM (which has since been modified) said that her beliefs were not American was tasteless.
Oh, Minnie...this is the exact type of vitreolic crap that I was referring to in one of my earlier posts...I most certainly was not 'calling anyone out'...I gave up that activity long before the 4th Grade. The only thing I said regarding you was that I didn't understand where you were coming from...and I still don't. You claim not to have stated an allegiance to any one candidate, yet your posts would seem to indicate a very strong tie to Obama. Even though the blind allegiance comment was originally directed more at some others on this site who seem to lean to the far, far left, you would seem to fit that bill, if I'm reading all of your earlier posts correctly. My only fault here was probably not being specific enough. The main purpose of my post was to try to get everyone to calmly discuss the issues and leave the personal attacks out of it. You are doing nothing but proving my point, that we need calm discourse, all over again.
God.............. >:( SDM, Obama is not the wonder candidate, he's just another politician who talks a good game. McCain is just another politician who couldn't say **** if he had a mouthful of it. Personally I like seein what I'm signin in writing on paper and generally want a copy of it to cover my butt if I have to. I also like havin cash in my hand. I agree get rid of the lobbyists and take the money out of being a politician, maybe it''ll make em honest..but I doubt it.
Now Frank and I have differing opinions on most things but he's a smart fella if you ask me and entitled to his opinion as are you and everybody else on here.
As for whether or not any of us are good christians or whatever ain't really up to any of us to say cause nobody knows what's in a persons heart but that person and whatever version of God they do or don't worship.
We can't just walk away from this war because we aren't fighting reasonable regular muslims who by the way think everybody who isn't muslim doesn't worship God no matter what they say in polite society, we are fighting radical extremists who think we are fair game because we are not muslim. They think Allah gives them the right to kill anybody who does not belong to Islam period. As I have said before they think all our men are cowards and the women are whores, I know this for a fact. They want to claim the whole world for the glory of Allah and they ain't tolerant of other beliefs period.
The best way to fight bif chain stores is pay a bit more to shop at the remaining little guy stores. Put your money where your mouth is. It's gonna cost more but it will be worth it right?
To my thinkin conservatives and liberals both have SOME good ideas but just like all extremes they both take it too far. And they are both too ready to start the mudslingin when things don't go their way. Like I said in another post, labeling everybody who thinks a certain way or belongs to a certain party with one broad stroke of the same paint brush is not only wrong it's stupid.
I'm a registered democrat but I don't like Obama, period. I also do not like McCain period. Whos that leave Ralph Nader? Give me a break. I also did not like Hillary period.
Y'all need to get a grip.......besides I think I've probably said somthin here that'll pretty much tick off everybody or make y'all see how out of control you got and either turn on me like a pack or wolves or get over it. Either way, it don't matter much to me. None of us are gonna solve the problems facin this country by callin each other names or rantin about how wrong and unfair the other one is. That's the kind of crap that got us in the fix we are in in the first place. Y'all have a good Sunday.
Pam, I like your style! :-) Great post! :-) No argument here...you sound right on to me!
Pam like a moth to a flame you just had to fly into the fire. You have more courage than I do after our little flame war. You make good points. LOL
David
p.s. From experience I can tell you that whether you agree or disagree with Frank you would do well to listen to a very intelligent caring man like him.
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http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america/
He wants to disarm America!
He plans to unilaterally disarm our nation.The question is... for what? And more specifically, for whom ?
I think he forgets history..and where he would be today if not for a bunch of "guys with guns".
(Commonly known as the "Union Army" )
Worse yet.. a nation without means to defend themselves................... ???
Not so! Good try though!
And just what does that mean SixDogs ??? ??? ???
SDM he has said he wants to do away with guns. That's one of my pet peeves, I can't figure out how anybody with any common sense at all can think that if they pass a law sayin you can't have a gun well hell all those criminals are just gonna throw their hands up and say"well there goes that idea,guns are illegal so guess I'll have to kill em with somthin else" I mean really....
ok back up just read that and it came out wrong, sounds like I'm talkin about you SDM but I wasn't I was talkin about politicians in general not anybodys favorite candidate or any BODY... just wanted to clear that up BEFORE the storm :P
Warph, he did not say he wanted to disarm America in this video, either version! He did say he would not put weapons in space, that he wanted to slow the developement of missles, and he wanted to see a nuclear free world. The title of this thing is untrue that's all. Nowhere does he say that he wants to disarm America!
Uh-oh...Flame War, Chapter II? Let's hope not!
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::) Pam, pour me a cup of that coffee - think I'm gonna need it. :-\ keep my mouth busy and it won't be spouting words it shouldn't. 8)
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Nope! Not flame war.. .
I could care less. .............................
Doesn't matter how bright the sun is .. some people will still say it's cloudy.
Gods, is that ever the truth! ::) ::)