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Title: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 01, 2008, 06:30:39 PM
Fox is reporting tonight that a lengthy and "brutal" Vanity Fair article will come out next week concerning Bill Clinton.

Todd Purdue, husband of Dee Dee Myers, formerly Clinton's press secretary, wrote the article. The author has supposedly covered Clinton for 16 years.

Among other things, the article says that Clinton is out of control, consumed by cavernous narcissism, and has been doing a lot of inappropriate behavior by seeing a lot of women on the road.

The article also mentions his touching off a string of controversies during Hillary's campaign.

A Clinton spokesman denies the allegations.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: twirldoggy on June 01, 2008, 08:06:32 PM
Maybe Vanity is out of control.  They recently sugestive photos of a fifteen year old !
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Roma Jean Turner on June 01, 2008, 08:38:13 PM
My guess is that narcissits don't age gracefully, especially when they are not getting their way.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 02, 2008, 07:47:03 AM
The article is titled "The Comeback Id" and is posted in eight parts at

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07/clinton200807
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: frawin on June 02, 2008, 07:55:45 AM
Waldo, that is probably something made up by the OBAMA people.
FW
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 02, 2008, 08:06:00 AM
Or, perhaps,

the vast right wing conspiracy
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: pam on June 02, 2008, 08:08:36 AM
In all reality who really cares?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 02, 2008, 08:16:24 AM
(http://th185.photobucket.com/albums/x286/pholdenj/th_ngbbs47b8efbf9e843.gif)

and that's about all I got to say about that
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 02, 2008, 08:17:59 AM
Item of note

The term "Vanity Fair" comes from the book, Pilgrim's Progress, written in 1678.

A town fair was held in a village called Vanity.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: frawin on June 02, 2008, 08:26:06 AM
Well I care and I think the man is a disgrace to his state, the Governorship of Arkansas, his nation and the office of President. He totally disgraces the values of marriage and I think it sets a terrible example for young people. Unfortunately it is more evidence of the deterioration of morals and values in our nation and in the world. And I think it must be very painful for his Daughter.
Frank
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 02, 2008, 08:33:27 AM
every hear the saying "the more you stir a turd the worse it stinks"?  Bill Clinton didn't do anything that 99% of politions don't do.  He just happened to pick a "tell all and get famous".  Nuff already.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: pam on June 02, 2008, 08:36:26 AM
The only thing Bill did that the REST of em don't do is get caught! And the only reason it's hard on his daughter is because people insist on throwin that first stone........over and over and over.......get my point?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 02, 2008, 08:40:13 AM
another old saying "let dead dogs lie"
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: sixdogsmom on June 02, 2008, 08:42:15 AM
The only problem is that this 'dead dog' just keep on liein'!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 02, 2008, 08:43:19 AM
Frank,

Very well said.

I think everyone is agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: pam on June 02, 2008, 08:51:58 AM
I don't agree with him, other than gettin caught with his cigar out Clinton was a reasonably good president.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 02, 2008, 08:52:28 AM
OMG I can just see it now.  Hillary hugging all these men during her campaign and Obama talking to and hugging all these women.  Wonder where the "media" will go with that?  I"m wondering  ::) which of these is just a friendly gesture and which ones are they planning to meet "after hours"?  ::) ::) Don't they realize you are NOT to acknowledge the opposite sex during campaigning?? Don't they know where that will lead?  Surely McCain isn't doing any of this.  Not a good republican.  ;D
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: pam on June 02, 2008, 09:02:34 AM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/jjh4/Smilies/Ineedabighug.gif)

lol kinda looks like McCain
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 02, 2008, 09:06:07 AM
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anyway
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Teresa on June 02, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Ya wanna be Bill Clinton's Friend?


True Facts
The following is an Actual List of DEAD PEOPLE "connected" with BILL CLINTON

this list is from the
national archives", and since then, more names have
been added.

(this doesn't imply that Clinton is in anyway guilty of anything)

(but does show, how dangerous Political Life can be!)


James McDougal
Clinton's convicted Whitewater Partner died of an apparent Heart Attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney
A former White House intern, was Murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to "go public" with her story of sexual harassment in the White House

Vince Foster
Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at the Little Rock's Rose firm. Died of a Gunshot wound to the head, ruled suicide.

Ron Brown
Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. reported to have died by impact in a Plane Crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull, resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death, brown was being investigated and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser
Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization, died in a private Plane Crash in July

Paul Tulley
Democratic National Committee Political Director, found Dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey
Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993, deep in the woods in Virginia, of a Gunshot wound to the head, ruled suicide. Ed Willey died the same day, his wife Kathleen claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events

Jerry Parks
Head of Clinton's Gubernational Security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car, at a deserted intersection, outside Little Rock. Park's son, said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died, the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch
Died from a Gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people. It contained the names of influential people who visited prostitutes in texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson
Was found dead in May, 1993 from an apparent Hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties with Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson
Ex-Wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson, died in May 1994. She was found in her livingroom with a Gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide, even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones

Bill Shelton
Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June 1994, of a Gunshot wound to the head, also ruled a suicide, at the grave site of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh
Attorney for Clinton friend, Dan Lassater, died by Jumping out of a window of a tall building in January 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin
Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three Gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman
Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a Gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. She was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober
Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death, December 9, 1992. She died in a one Car Accident.

Danny Casolaro
Investigative reporter. Investigating the Mena Airport and the Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, Apparent Suicide, in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher
Attorney investigating corruption at the Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise", was found Dead on the Toilet, June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. He had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parneli Walker
Whitewater investigator for the Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death. from his Arlington Virginia apartment Balcony, August 15,1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise
Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death, Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. her bruised body was found locked in her office at the Dept. of Commerce.

Charles Meissner
Assistant Secretary of Commerce, who gave John Huang special security clearance. He died shortly thereafter in a small Plane Crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard
Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. He died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small Plane Crash. Dr, Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal
Drug running pilot out of the Mena Airport. Death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr.
Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left at the repair shop. Died when his Car Hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins
Ruled Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was Never released.

Hershell Friday
Attorney and Clinton fund raiser. Died on March 1, 1994 when his Plane Exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry
Known as "the boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport drug operation. Controversial case, where the initial report of death was Due to "falling asleep on the railroad track". Later, reports claim the 2 boys had been Slain before being placed on the railroad tracks. Many linked to the case, died before their testimony could come before the Grand Jury.

These People had Information on the
Ives/Henry Case, now DEAD

Keith Coney
Died when his Motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.

Keith McMaskle
Died, when he was Stabbed 113 times, on November 1988.

Gregory Collins
Died from a Gunshot wound, January 1989.

James Milan
Found Decapitated, coroner ruled the death was due to natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson
Found Shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck, June 1990.

Richard Winters
Was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was Killed in a "set up robbery", July 1989.

The following CLINTON BODYGUARDS are DEAD
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Col Robert Kelly
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: pam on June 02, 2008, 11:05:10 AM
Lol, I ain't his friend and I don't know anything useful or incriminatin  :P

Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Dale Smith on June 02, 2008, 11:29:28 AM
Check out the snopes.com account of the Bill Clinton body-count:

http://snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 02, 2008, 11:40:01 AM
I did and thank you.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: frawin on June 02, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Dale, SNOOPS is probably an Arkansas Democrat group, I prefer Teresa's account of Clinton. SNOOPS is probably a government coverup. Next thing someone will be trying to say that Monica raped Bill.  Bills excuse will be "THE CIGAR MADE ME DO IT", then we will have to ban cigars from the Whitehouse and the Clinton house.
Frank
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: pam on June 02, 2008, 11:57:46 AM
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Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: pam on June 02, 2008, 12:01:58 PM
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k108/daasnia/DSC00072.jpg)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 02, 2008, 12:16:33 PM
Quote from: Dale Smith on June 02, 2008, 11:29:28 AM
snopes.com

That's SNOPES, not SNOOPS
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: frawin on June 02, 2008, 12:23:46 PM
Flo, what I was referring to or my intent was "SNOOPS', it;'s dictionary definition was my intent, SNOPE is not a word, I was making a joke to DALE.
Frank
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 02, 2008, 01:32:30 PM
(http://th276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/kayeo8/th_smileys.jpg)  got'cha
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: greatguns on June 02, 2008, 04:47:56 PM
According to history, he isn't the first and I doubt he'll be the last.  He lied about his women and George lied about why we went to war.  Whatever!!!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Dale Smith on June 02, 2008, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: frawin on June 02, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Dale, SNOOPS is probably an Arkansas Democrat group, I prefer Teresa's account of Clinton. SNOOPS is probably a government coverup. Next thing someone will be trying to say that Monica raped Bill.  Bills excuse will be "THE CIGAR MADE ME DO IT", then we will have to ban cigars from the Whitehouse and the Clinton house.
Frank

LOL... well, I tend to almost always agree with you Frank.  At least you make me laugh.  ;-)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Teresa on June 02, 2008, 09:57:26 PM
He might not have had his hand in the front of the suspicious circumstances surrounding the deaths..  ..but I would tend to believe that he had  his fingers in it..somehow.
And just because Monica is still kicking doesn't mean squat.  :P
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 03, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
Fox reports that Bill Clinton, today, called the Vanity Fair author "Sleazy" and a "Scumbag."

He also accused Obama of silently supporting black activists who have been "sliming" Hillary.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Jo McDonald on June 03, 2008, 05:59:36 PM
Well, maybe we have "Ole Slick Willy" to thank for putting Hillary in the back seat of the buggy.  He has run his mouth and disengaged his brain for a lot of times.  Bless him -- if that is what he has accomplished.
  Am I a Democrat??????? Nope !!!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 03, 2008, 06:15:11 PM
Bill Clinton more than likely lost the election for Hillary when he began spouting off during the South Carolina primary.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: frawin on June 03, 2008, 07:43:32 PM
I wanted Hillary to win the nomination, I think McCain has a better chance of beating Hillary than he does beating Hussein Obama.
Frank
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: flo on June 03, 2008, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: W. Gray on June 03, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
Fox reports that Bill Clinton, today, called the Vanity Fair author "Sleazy" and a "Scumbag."

He also accused Obama of silently supporting black activists who have been "sliming" Hillary.



Don't forget to mention the "rest of the story" about the Vanity Fair article.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 03, 2008, 08:50:11 PM
Frank,

You may be right.

Her "concession" speech tonight left things wide open.

Although she lauded Obama she did not acknowlege he has won. The thrust of her speech, as it has been so many times, was about Hillary. By not conceding, she appears to be challenging him that he has to select her as his running mate. She wants the "people" to log on to her web sit and tell her what to do.

The news organizations were reporting a couple days ago he was only willing to give her a cabinet position.

Apparently, she will not settle for a cabinet appointment and the talks between the campaigns have not been going well for her causing her to take this tactic.

She may succeed.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: sixdogsmom on June 03, 2008, 10:33:13 PM
I agree with you Waldo, it seems it is all about Hillary. The Chicago priest wasn't so far off IMO, although his presentation was disrespectful and not in the keeping with the Obama campaign. I will certainly be disappointed should she be the VP candidate, as I think the Clintons do not belong in the Obama administration. I think Joe Biden would be an excellent running mate and hope he gets the nomination. I suppose this will drag on to Denver. Certainly a lot of 'I's in this paragraph! I sound like Hillary! LOL!! And Frank, Barack is a fitting adversary for Johen. This should be an interesting election!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 04, 2008, 08:09:28 AM
That catholic priest has been suspended.

He is using the excuse he did not know the cameras were rolling.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: pam on June 04, 2008, 08:53:35 AM
You know, the American people deserve whatever they get at this point. Obama actually has a chance of winnin. All these people that are buyin the bulls*** theory of the democratic nominee that we can just say ok, we're done you guys are on your own now and bring everybody home without any consequences is fundamentally STUPID. I am publicly statin I am goin to go cast my vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE. John McCain may be Bushs stool pigeon but he has at least a slightly more realistic view of the fix we are in in Iraq. Hillary is just as big a bull artist as Obama is. All these stupid stupid people that are gonna try to elect Obama are screwin with my world and my families security and there ain't a ( sure wish I could use the cussword that fits here Ma) thing I can do about it. So all you guys who think your candidate is just a friggin prize remember that a year from now when you find out what kind of people they really are. My participation in political discussion is officially over. >:(
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 07, 2008, 10:22:33 AM
Looks like Hillary may be getting cold feet or has changed her mind.

She was supposed to deliver a concession speech at 10:00 am mountain time but as of 10:20 had not yet left her house.

I say rather than Obama picking Hillary for VP, he choose Jan Sebelius.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: greatguns on June 07, 2008, 11:15:29 AM
Who is Jan Sebelius?  Hope she is better than the leader of the this state.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 07, 2008, 11:21:21 AM
I should have said Kathleen.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: sixdogsmom on June 07, 2008, 01:49:42 PM
I think that Hillary gave a great speech this morning! Had she appeared this 'real' during the campaign she may have been more difficult to defeat. Her baggage weighed a lot though, and Bill kept loading it down. He did nothing to help her IMO. I am glad she was so gracious today, and gave up the attitude she had on Tuesday night. I think she kept her delegates as a lever to get her health care agenda as a plank in party platform. I did notice today that she said the party would be united with universal health care. This may be a concession she won during the meeting with Obama; that way she will have imortality as being the creator and champion of that legislation. This will be an interesting convention!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 07, 2008, 02:17:40 PM
I agree.

One of the things about either Clinton, they will hammer with a big fist first and then be conciliatory, courteous, and gracious if it looks like they  approached incorrectly.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Mom70x7 on June 07, 2008, 04:12:34 PM
So . . . being as objective as possible . . . what position do you think Bill Clinton should play in an Obama administration?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: W. Gray on June 07, 2008, 04:20:06 PM
Bill has too much baggage to be considered for any part of Obama's administration. He should stay in the pasture.

From what I hear, on both CNN and Fox, Obama does not want him even remotely around.

If Obama should be forced (for the good of the party) to pick her for his running mate, then he gets Billary.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: sixdogsmom on June 07, 2008, 05:51:23 PM
I really hope that Obama does not choose Hillary as a running mate. I would like to see the presidency won on his own without the Clinton influence. I would like to see Hillary as maybe HEW guru and Bill as ambassador to Timbuktu; required to remain in residence! LOL!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Roma Jean Turner on June 07, 2008, 10:17:45 PM
Someone on TV the said,  "Well now Bill gets to hear the words he has dreaded most.....Hi Honey, I'm home."
Title: Re: Bill Clinton
Post by: Teresa on June 08, 2008, 01:07:23 AM
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