It just came across the scanner that they've found a few dead ponies or horses dead on Turkey Road north of Howard, as well as a few other animals. Other horses were loose and running up and down the road. I believe the deputy said Clay Camp, but I could be wrong..as I was in the office and the scanner is in the dining room. Anyone know of a place called Clay Camp on Turkey Road? Or north of Howard? It's actually closer to Severy I guess.
Is that the place just North of PawPaw then West a 1/2 mile on the South Side of the Road. They have Lions Tigers and all kinds of animals penned up there. I have a horse in the pasture just West of there.
Frank Winn
Ahh, the place that borders Billy's grandmother Sylvia Crum's. Well, that's certainly not a place I'd want to trespass. Maybe I ought to go check on Sylvia's animals. They've been out there a few times in the past month, some quarrelling with the Elder's I believe.
That place borders the East side of the Elder place, and on the South it would border Sylvia's palce as well. I would stay away from there until they find out if any of the Big Cats have escaped.
Frank
Yes, I've called Bill and he's going up there when he gets home. He's much braver than me. One time John Ed told us about a monkey they had kept in the house when he was up there working on their furnace. I don't think it should be right for anyone to keep animals like that. Especially the lions and tigers.
I agree 100% and worry about my Mother-in-law all the time. It looks like pretty old junky pens they have back in there.
Devyn how far is that from your house??? I guess I really don't know that place, but kinda know that area. Who are the people that live there???
I thought Elk County had a statute making it illegal to have exotic animals.
I have a little bit of information to share. I was told that the tigers are no longer there. The state took them away from the people. I was also told that the dead animals were starved to death. Not sure but I thought that I would share this with you all. That is sick to let animals starve to death. I hope if this is true that the people get in big trouble. Who are these people anyways?
I'm not sure who they are but they came from El Doardo. They couldn't keep their animals there so they came here. Angie, they just had the tigers still in December. We were on the 4-wheeler checking on a fence that borders their place and saw the animal in a poor excuse for a pen.
Not sure what happened. Grandpa Dan thought they may have been starved to death as well. People like this make me sick. Get them out of here! If you can't afford to feed it, don't bring it home! ! !
Bless you all for taking care of the animals and your neighbors. I see some of these stories on Animal Planet and just cringe. I just don't get these people who insist on having the animals and yet mistreating and starving them at the same time. It is absolutely criminal and in some cases I think insane. But whatever, decent people in a community should not have to be subjected to in their midst.
I have been on this place during my employment with the school. I can certainly suspect that the horses were starved and this whole bunch needs to be investigated as to the treatment of their animals and also the children that live there. Nuff said
I don't know about the tiger but you are right it probably starved. I think that one of the little boys is in Parker's class and she told me this morning that they had a snake and it died from dehydration, she also said that they feed it, but come on you have to water animals as well as feed them. I agree 100% with you Devyn, why get an animal if you can afford to take care of it. What worries me is the kids in this situation, are the kids getting food or are they starving? They need to be locked up and not fed for a while to see what it is like!!!
I agree Angie..
I am form the old school.. harsh as it is.. but what you do to others.. should be done back to you 3 fold.
I know that IS Spirits rule... What goes around comes back around 3 fold..
but generally we don't get to witness it .. ( you know..for the satisfaction of actually seeing that justice is being done.) )
I hope charges of animal cruelty is pressed by the authorities.. ( but ............ :-\
I am sure that alot of you know, but many don't. They took alot of the animals from this place and placed them different places around the county and other counties. I know that they man was arrested, not sure for what, but he did bond out. I am wondering what they will do with these animals?? They had several mini ponies, Lamas, dogs, some cattle, and other things. It is so sad that this happened. If the man could bond out of jail, why couldn't he pay to feed his animals??? Jeff wants to try and adopt one of the mini ponies for the girls, not sure if I am happy about this, but I know that my girls would take good care of it. I know that they would get feed and water. If anyone hears anything about what they are going to do with the animals, would you please post it. I am going to take to one of the vets in the county and also to Doug about this, to see if they are going to adopt out these animals. Just thought you all might want to know!!
Since I don't know who you all are talking about, I can't comment on to much.. but Angie.. you might want to call Mike and Jan Shelley. They might be interested in one of the ponies. They already have one and it might need a buddy his size. He has big horses to pal with.. but I really think that they might be interested. They have such soft hearts when it comes to stuff like this.
But the poor animals can't talk for themselves.. so they are just subject to whatever their owners do. :( Sadness :(
:'(Hi! Just can't keep quiet about this! For one reason or other, I hadn't "opened" the 'Turkey
Road' entry, as I wasn't sure of the topic. Well ignorance is NOT bliss! Linda & I
are certified animal lovers!! We have three dogs, our BBBL, a beautiful Pomeranian
Terrier cross [looks just like Benji in the movie], and a Laso Apso budle of energy.
Enough bragging. We treat these animals with respect, dignity, like family, no stupid
tricks that , in our opinion, de-means them, they're very intelligent.
Yesterday in church, my mind wandered to a place, of all places a large city animal
shelter, I was there to get a puppy! Of course I wanted to take them ALL home! There
were hundreds of the cutest----------If I didn't take one, I knew the rest would likely
be euthanized, and I thought "how unfair! A crime punishable by death because???" It
wasn't long before I needed to wipe some tears and snapped back, the thought still
haunts me, and will for some time! I only share this to allow all of us to realize
that this goes on and on but we don't stop and think about it. Sure makes the idea
of 'spaying' & 'neutering' take on a whole new importance. Our BBBL and Pom/Terrier
have been "fixed" The Laso Apso will be this week. For the curious among you, BBBL
is a Big Beautiful Black Labrador.
Yes, I pray that what Teresa suggests shall be applied here! Amen.
Just an update on this matter. I have just seen the Kake 10 news van over at the vet clinic in Howard. They are doing a piece about this matter. The is also a write up on KSN.com about the news. The guy is Billy Camp, and he was charged with animal cruelty, I think it said 10 counts. I hope that he gets what he deserves. He is a sick individual that has no business with animals at all. It just breaks my heart that these poor animals had to be put through this. And look at the kind of coverage that Elk County gets out of the deal. Some loser who doesn't know how to take care of animals. I hope that people know that.
This is copied from the ksn.com page.
ELK COUNTY, Kansas, March 19, 2008 – An investigation by the Elk County Sheriff's Office has led to a large seizure of animals located in the northern part of the county in what could only be described as "animal hoarding."
On March 13, 2008, the sheriff's department seized 11 miniature horses, one pony, three full-sized horses, four donkeys, six llamas, five great pyranees-mix breed dogs, five smaller dogs and puppies, three sheep, two goats, four cats, two turkeys, seven head of cattle including two Scottish Highlander cattle, one chicken and two prairie dogs. The animals were all in various stages of neglect.
Deputies also found the carcasses of four horses, numerous fowl, one dog, "a pile of dead goats" being fed upon by dogs. All of those animals were found to be in emaciated condition.
Officers say the horses found were in such bad condition they aren't sure they will be able to recover.
The animals seized are all in the Sheriff's custody.
Ten charges of cruelty to animals have been filed against Billy G. Claycamp and Susan Lyles in connection with the incident. Additional charges are possible pending further assessment of the surviving animals.
Stay with KSN for more developments.
This is one sick individual or couple how ever you look at it.
Wasn't there someone who posted a missing great pyranees dog awile back?
there was, but I can't remember who. I hope they see this, that may be where their dog ended up.
That was Sarah. I have e-mailed her to check the posting. Thanks for remembering that.
i hope they can be reunited if indeed her dog was there. Fingers are crossed here. :-\ :-\
Yes it was me that had the missing Pyrnees that we never found. I know who the people are on Turkey road. We had a run it with them a few years back. He is head of that swap meet that runs over by Leon and he also helps run the auction over in Yates Center. We went over there once to buy a bunny for my daughter and they had dead chickens laying everywhere and dead bunnies in the pens. Everything was a mess!! Yes they did have a monkey living in the house. Mean ole thing and they had all those kids there too. Their horses were very thin at that time with almost no pasture. We had no dealings with them after that and when we heard the story on the news, I figured it was them.
Does anyone know how I can get ahold of someone to see if one of the Pyrnees is our sweet Yetti? He's been missing for a long time and I know the two boys that were neighbors of theirs and helped them all the time came by here a lot and I want to make sure they didn't take our dog. If anyone can help me find out if one of those is my dog or who I might call, please let me know.
I can say that the conditions that they kept their animals was awful!! I'm glad to see their "operation" finally folded.
This is just so sick, that someone would harm an animal. Pets in my family have always been part of the family; they are members of our family and are treated with respect. We would never want harm to occur to our pets and if one of them would get sick or hurt it was awful. This is what my parents have taught me and I am teaching Cody. Just last May one of our cats got really sick and we finally had to put her down (she was not doing well), I cried and cried trying to decide what was best for her. I still cry to this day when I think of her (I'm crying right now). I hate to say that I have some feelings of hatred towards these people for what they did to those poor animals and I don't want to feel that way towards others but they must of have had awful feelings towards their pets to treat them the way they did.
I just will say what comes around, goes around.
We called the Elk County Sheriff. We're supposed to call back tomorrow to find out if any of them are our Pyrnees dog.
Thank you Wilma for e-mailing me and letting me know! :)
I hope you find that it is your dog.. so you can get him back and start the healing of TLC... :angel:
Sarah, the dogs are being kept at Dr. Black's vet clinic in Howard.
It, makes me sick as well. To know that there are people who don't care about the welfare of their animals, kind of makes you wonder about their kids. I hope they are found guilty on all 10 counts and have to do jail time. Not that they'll learn, because it seems people like that never do. What really made me cry was what the girls at the vet clinic told me about the horses, they could barely stand up because they were so starved. I have a huge heart and I just melt at the sight of horses. I'll never understand how anyone could do this to a poor defenseless animal. :-\
OK, sorry, I'm going to get on a soapbox here... Many of you may not know that PETA and other animal rights organizations have succeeded in getting a law passed that CLOSED all of the horse slaughter plants in the US. Yes, horse slaughter sounds in-humane, but these horse plants processed hundreds of thousands of horses a year that were dangerous animals, old animals that need to be put down, etc. In fact, horse slaughter was probably MORE humane than the conditions that these type of animals are in today! For example, there may have been an animal "hoarding" issue with this guy, but if he had no where to sell his old horses or were unable to afford to feed them, how was he supposed to get rid of them? I'M NOT CONDONING WHAT THIS GUY DID!!! But I just want everyone to be aware that issues such as shutting down horse slaughter plants really negatively affects the entire animal industry... oh, but it sure makes those animal lovers "feel better". I don't see these poeple lined up to take any of these horses and feed them and pamper them in their backyards. I am quite certain that we'll see more and more of these types of situations now that the plants have closed. What else can people do with old horses? Remember, horses are like old people; there comes a certain time in their life that they start to lose teeth, unable to take in enough nutritions feed to feed their bodies, and will eventually starve (even in a pasture full of hay and grass... I've not seem many horses with dentures). At least horse plants were able to put these animals out of their misery humanely.
AGAIN, I"M NOT SUPPORTING THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION AT ALL!!! I just thought it was a good time to let everyone know how "feel good" animal rights efforts (like closing horse plants) actually negatively affects the well-being of the animals they were aiming to save! It is important to know and understand the full story and both sides of it and think about Animal WELFARE, rather than just Animal RIGHTS.
As for this guy? Maybe they should lock him back on his ranch/house and don't feed him! Or better yet, make him scoop poop at Dr. Black's to help pay for the vet bills that are piling up...
OK, whew. Off my soapbox now. Animal rights and Animal welfare tend to heat me up good. >:(
Tobina, I agree...Those boarding fees at the clinic are going to be sky high.
We have 2 very, very old horses. They just graze the pasture and eat all day. They are out of commission. They've done their jobs and have served their purpose, but we continue to nurture them. We had one die a few years ago, of old age. He was in very good health, it was just his time. So until our 2 old men (LOL, horses) reach their last day, they'll be grazing in the pasture along the road...Enjoying their lazy days.
Well, this is one thing that I didn't know that they closed all the Horse Slaughter plants down. But were the horses old or just not taken care of. I think down in Caney, the Zoo Park thing that they have will take animals that are dead like that to feed to their Lions and tigers. Not sure exactly, but Jeff and I was just talking about if they take dead cattle. At one time, Bill Perkins has a guy who comes down from Caney area, to help work cattle, and he told Jeff if you call them, they might even come and get them. I know that this sounds bad, but if they are dead from natural causes why not send them down there? But we have a cow, she has a really bad eye. There is nothing that you can do for it. I want to tell you myself, I couldn't believe that it was so bad. But we still feed her and give her water, hay, and grain. We take care of her just like all the other animals on the farm. She is still alive, and we really can't do anything with her. We just can't not feed and take care of her. That would be inhuman of us.
I just am not sure if those animals were old or just neglected. I can't understand, why didn't he try to sell them before it got to this point. I mean, from what I understand, Llammas are not to cheap. They might be a little more now, but still. If you don't have the money to feed them, get rid of them even give them away. I am sure that if he posted flyers that someone would have taken some of the animals. We have talked about trying to adopt a couple of the animals from this situation. I just can't say enough how this has gotten under my skin. I am not a die hard animal lover like some of you are out there, I do love my animals though. I do believe that they should be treated with respect and loved just like one of the family, too. I just can't I MEAN CAN'T STAND WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE ANIMALS!!
Tobina as for PETA, I am not a big fan of organizations like this one. Not that I don't believe in animal rights, it is just that along with you what are people to do with old horses like you explained. Like Devyn said, I guess just doing your part and feeding them and making them comfortable is all that you can do. I don't know that I would sell my horses to a slaughter plant anyways. I am pretty attached to them. Ok, I am getting on a soapbox I 'd better go for now!!
Yes, I agree that some animals will live well into their old age and just die from old age. It is wonderful that those animals have caring homes that can afford to feed them and care for them until they pass into the great pasture in the sky (that is Animal Welfare or Animal Stewardship). Old, good horses are like old friends.
But, some horses are dangerous to keep around. Some horses get mean as they get older. Some horses were bred to be not-ridden or friendly (bucking horses). Some horses are just allowed to breed freely and continue to expand the herd; completely un-inhibited. It's those horses that can't be afforded to keep around. Think of it this way... what would happen to the dog and cat population if vets and animal shelters weren't allowed to put animals to sleep anymore? How would these animals be treated and how many rejected animals would be roaming the streets and countryside? Unfortunately, that is what the horse industry is now facing. There will be many more cases of neglect in the future, I fear. This is what the Animal Right groups didn't think about when petitioning and picketing lawmakers. (BTW, I don't know the exact amount or what it takes, but I've heard that putting a horse "down" can be a very long, expensive process. They take way more drugs and it takes a longer time for the drugs to take affect. So I don't think that's a viable answer to the problem, either.)
As I stated before, it does sicken me to see the mistreatment of ANY animals. (Refer to my apology in the Politics category about the inhumane treatment at the CA packing plant.) I agree that there should have been something else done by this man; even just offering to give the animals away. I think I remember that there was a similar issue in Eastern KS (Pratt area?) at a mini horse farm recently. The news said something about "hoarding" animals and that it's almost like a disease? I don't understand this; but I guess you can compare to poeple who hoard things in their houses (hmmm... another previous thread...???).
I hope that anyone who has the means to help take care of these animals steps up. Even just taking a bale of hay to the vet clinic might help.
Ok, just wondering if anyone has heard anything about this situation in a while. I think the guy had court on March 31. I was just curious to see what happened.
I heard through the grapevine that the days were numbered for the animals if they were not adopted out .
So I called Blacks vet office and was told that it is a legal matter and for me to call Doug Hanks.
So I did and he told me that NONE of the animals would be put down. They had a pretty good long list of people who wanted to adopt them.
And the ones that were left would be sold or given away ... but they would definitely have homes somehow.
The horses are property of Rainbow Meadows form El Dorado I think he said..and if you want them , you will need to go through that company)
So that is good news that none of them .. no matter what....will be euthanized.
Can somebody give me info on Rainbow Meadows? I'm sure we'd pay adoption fees or something like that...Does anyone know how something like that works?
http://www.rainbowmeadowsranch.com/Rescue_HomePage.htm
Try that and see if the information you want is there.
Thanks!!!
This topic has been long lost but has anyone heard anymore about these animals?? I do know that the LLama (spelling) went to a LLama farm. I know that the guy had court and they had a miss trial. Something about he got sick. I would get sick to if I was about ready to go to jail for a crime like this!!
sorry - you don't get a mistrial because the defendant got sick. It was maybe continued
That's just what I heard. I would think not but????
I am wondering if anyone has heard anything about this case and these animals. I have been trying to rescue the 8 week old cattle dog since March that was part of this hoarding case (he is now 7 months old). There is so much paper work and legalities involved I am afraid this little guy will fall through the cracks. Anyone know who to talk to regarding the where-abouts of this little guy and the other animals ...I would much appreciate it!
I see you found the thread. I didn't have the name quite right. After reviewing the posts, the information that I thought was there, isn't. I think if you would call our sheriff's office you might find out what you want to know. The number is 620 374-2108. Hope this is of some help.
Last I heard they had been boarded with Doctor Black's Vet office.
Howard Veterinary Services
620 358 2229
They will know what happened to the animals.
I know they were there last time I boarded my dog with them and I think that was in May....
Then too, the Sheriff's office would know, too.
Good luck,
Judy
Thank you Wilma and Judy. I'll call both on Monday. What is the Sheriff's name so I know who to ask for? I'll let you know the outcome.
The sheriff's name is Doug Hanks. Charlie would be a good source, too, if she is still there. She used to know everything that was going on.
Thanks again Wilma...I'll call on Monday.
For those of you wanting updates on the folks in trouble for animal cruelty, check out the El Dorado Times for Oct. 1st.
He's in trouble again!
Arrests made for stolen cattle
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By Staff reports
El Dorado Times
Wed Oct 01, 2008, 11:40 AM CDT
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El Dorado, Kan. -
The Butler County Sheriff's Office arrested two people Tuesday in connection with the theft of 18 head of cattle from southeast Butler County, according to Sheriff Craig Murphy.
Investigators continue the investigation and are looking at charging at least two more subjects in connection with these cattle thefts.
According to Murphy, on July 28, three head of cattle were stolen from 16001 SE Teter Rd., Leon ,resulting in a $2,500 loss. On Aug. 16, seven head of cattle were stolen from 3000 SE 50th, Leon, resulting in a loss of $7,000. Then on Sept. 2, eight head of cattle were stolen from 16693 SE Teter Rd., Leon, with a $9,200 loss. Total loss was placed at $18,700. All three cases appear to be related at this time.
Murphy said investigators were able to confirm that some of the stolen cattle were found to have been sold to a Livestock Auction in Newkirk, Okla. Two subjects were identified as selling the cattle to the auction, along with collection of evidence confirming the sale.
Friday afternoon investigators arrested 58-year-old Billy G. Claycamp, 1341 Turkey, Howard, and 21-year-old Ryan W. Claycamp, 1827 SW 170th, Leon. Both men were charged with felony theft and contributing to child misconduct.
This doesn't surprise me one bit. I am at a loss for words!!!
Appears they got them to the sale before they had a chance to starve them to death
(Laughing) I never thought of that, You are funny Dan!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Ok, I am just thinking about this situation that this man has gotten himself into. He is now going to have to stand trial for 2 different events that has happened. I think the man is going to prison, if not he needs to. Also, help me child misconduct? Never heard of that, so help me!!
He still makes me sick.
What, this is the same guy that the original post was about?
Yes, it's about the same man!
Geez :P
I have 2 thoughts on child misconduct - either he had his kids helping him load the cattle or he had other juveniles helping to load the cattle. Either way, how stupid could you be, considering he's not even done with the animal cruelty charge. In light of this, I don't think the "hoarders don't realize what they are doing" is going to stand.
Well I worry about those grandchildren of theirs that live with them, and I wonder how it is possible that they have not been removed from such horrible conditions. First they witness animals starving and dying, and who knows what else, and now this. And I bet there is such a stigma being related to these criminal adults that affects their lives every day. Poor things!
Agreed!
What is bad is that these children have been in this situation WAY to long. My daughter has one of them in her class and he seems to really have a temper. He hurt one of the kids that comes to my daycare one day last week. He really needs help out of this situation. I don't think he realizes that he is doing wrong. I don't understand why the kids are there either.
Good grief!! :(
First all the animal cruelty charges and now stealing cattle. Sheesh.
Is this a sign of the economy?
No, it is a sign of animal cruelty and thievery. Some people commit such things in the best of times
Quote from: frawin on October 08, 2008, 01:16:00 PM
No, it is a sign of animal cruelty and thievery. Some people commit such things in the best of times
I was just curious. I know the horse market got soo bad that I've heard them talking on other boards that people can't give them away and yet they can't afford to feed them and so the horses just starve to death, especially since a lot of states were having droughts a couple years ago and there was no hay.
I've also heard talks on other boards about if the economy gets really bad there will be a lot of trouble with people stealing livestock for food or to sell for cash. I was just curious if maybe this was the start of all that.
I had been to that mans house a number of years ago to get a rabbit from him for my daughter. (that was back when he was still running that swap meet). There were a lot of dead chickens and rabbits at that time. I wondered about him back then and that was a long time ago.
This man is NOT those children's grandfather. He is their grandmother's boyfriend. I fault the grandmother for allowing these children to live around this man and these conditions.
Why is she allowing this?? I do also fault the state. I feel that if this type of stuff is happening, they must step up and do what is right by these children. Since, obviousley Grandma won't help them!!!
Even more so, where are the parents? Would any action have to start in Elk County?
Quote from: Sarah on October 08, 2008, 08:14:08 PM
I was just curious. I know the horse market got soo bad that I've heard them talking on other boards that people can't give them away and yet they can't afford to feed them and so the horses just starve to death, especially since a lot of states were having droughts a couple years ago and there was no hay.
Oh, crap, I should just keep my mouth shut... but just to be devil's advocate...
Which is less humane; letting the horses starve to death, taking a gun out and shooting them, or taking them to a slaughter facility?
P.S. Slaugher facility isn't an option anymore.
I feel the same way!!! If you can't afford them, don't get them!!!
"mother" is in ElDorado "now". (after a guest stint with the State of Kansas). My guess is "father" is either still a guest or perhaps unknown. This is why Grandma has the children.
Quote from: Tobina on October 09, 2008, 02:47:14 PM
Quote from: Sarah on October 08, 2008, 08:14:08 PM
I was just curious. I know the horse market got soo bad that I've heard them talking on other boards that people can't give them away and yet they can't afford to feed them and so the horses just starve to death, especially since a lot of states were having droughts a couple years ago and there was no hay.
Oh, crap, I should just keep my mouth shut... but just to be devil's advocate...
Which is less humane; letting the horses starve to death, taking a gun out and shooting them, or taking them to a slaughter facility?
P.S. Slaugher facility isn't an option anymore.
Unfortunately, you can get cited for animal cruelty for shooting the animal. Did you know that? In some states you can get nailed for animal cruelty for treating a sick animal yourself and not taking it to the vet.
Quote from: angtown3 on October 09, 2008, 03:26:04 PM
I feel the same way!!! If you can't afford them, don't get them!!!
Unfortunately, sometimes it's not the people's fault. They were doing fine. Taking good care of their animals and maybe they lose their jobs and can't afford the care. Or perhaps, like in a lot of states, they were hit by drought and there was no hay to be found for the animals. Just a year or two ago there were a lot of states selling off whole ranches worth of cattle because they could no longer care for them.
I'm not being an advocate for this man on Turkey road, just explaining how like in the horse industry, that's a lot of what happened. They buy them when times are good and then end up a creek with no paddle when times turn sour.
Unfortunately, many children are lost in the welfare system because of the perpetuation of the position. I mean exactly how many people would lose their jobs in the child welfare system if good homes were found and the children then placed in them? How many case workers would then be out of a job? We have all seen it time and time again where you know that abuse is a certain fact that is perpetuated throughout the childs' life and the child welfare system does not address the situation. If the conditions were so atrocious for the animals kept there, you can pretty safely bet your bloomers that the kids were suffering also. How many 'grandmas' keep their grandchildren as a source of income and little else? No doubt these guys are mean little buggers in the school; that is probably all they have ever seen or heard or felt. This just makes me sick; just sick! :P :P :P
Just heard he was found guilty on some of the charges of animal cruelty. Can anyone give me an update on this?
Thanks
I knew he had court this past week, but I haven't heard anything. This was the first news I'd heard in a while. Perhaps there will be something in the paper this week.
Yes, Rudy, see if you can find out something for us.
I talked with someone about it today, and they said he will be sentenced i think december 15th.
That guy has been seen running around with his stock trailer the past few days too. so watch your livestock cause he got busted for stealing cattle in leon a while back.
I have sent an e-mail to the El Dorado Times trying to get an update on the charges of cattle theft as there hasn't been one.
He showed up at Ron and Tom's Tues. night - they wouldn't go out to see what he wanted - they are scared of him. I worry about them, but since that is the only home they know, I don't want to move them because of "crazies" next door.
Sure wish this would all just GO AWAY!!!!
Quote from: oldmom on November 13, 2008, 07:10:21 AM
I have sent an e-mail to the El Dorado Times trying to get an update on the charges of cattle theft as there hasn't been one.
He showed up at Ron and Tom's Tues. night - they wouldn't go out to see what he wanted - they are scared of him. I worry about them, but since that is the only home they know, I don't want to move them because of "crazies" next door.
Sure wish this would all just GO AWAY!!!!
Sigh he needs to get put in jail and be done with him.
Checked in open records while I was at the Courthouse: he and his girlfriend Susan Lyles were found guilty on 9 out of 10 charges. Sentencing will be December 30th and they are out on bail until that point in time.
Which one (charge) did they drop?
So will she end up having to go to jail too? And if so, what about all those kids? It's funny, when I met her some years ago she seemed like she really loved animals and was telling me how she took vet assistant classes or something like that and loved to take in the really sick and injured animals that went through the auctions, though quite frankly I was never impressed with any of her animals. None of them looked good to me. I wonder what happened though? I knew they use to have big cats there once upon a time. Tigers and whatever and for awhile they had a monkey living in the house. And she had some calves that were miniature? She said that often the ranchers will have a cow that throws a dwarf calf and that they would give them to her?
Ranchers would give them to her, or her darling boyfriend would load them up in his stock trailer and take off?
I just heard today that he owns houses in Severy. Well, trailers that he rents out. Can you even imagine him as a landlord?? He could steal from right under your nose.
He was always home and I wondered how he made all his money. I guess now I know. LOL
Would someone please tell me how this person or person's is (are) still a problem? After their lion "bit" a girl in Butler County, after the animal cruelty, after the cattle theft (and the list goes on and on------). My brothers being accused of being "with" them, (this is a case of people taking advantange of those less fortunate), and now my brothers scared to DEATH because they drove in our yard (yes, they have threatened them before - our word against theirs). Would someone PLEASE explain this to me???? And yes, I'm worried about the kid's over there - it's not their fault!!!