It is very obvious that most of you do not like Hillary at all. Can you give me some reasons why? I know most of you are Republican, but it has to be more than that. What about her politics do you dislike? I'm not a Hillary fan, but not because of her particular female character. I know publicly she is not a warm fuzzy person, but should our president be warm and approachable, or for the world's eyes, strong and solid. We have another 12 months to put up with the worsening slash and burn tactics on all sides, but eventually we will have to choose between the primary winners. Do you think she will win the Democratic primary?
So far, the silence is deafening and I am not going to comment. Do you suppose that if she does receive the nomination, and if someone asks her, she would make a pledge never to lie while under oath?
Has anyone seen the new just in time for Christmas product (no kidding) called the Hillary Nut Cracker?
It is a standard nutcracker with Hillary in a pants suit.
The nut is placed between her stainless steel inner thighs.
Applying pressure to both her legs cracks the nut.
I had to think hard about this........but, I don't trust what she says, nor
what she does.
Think of her when she was just the presidents wife...
And, I am not Republican.....yep here in Kansas I am in
the minority.
I vote the person, not the party when it comes down to the vote.
so far, I don't really care for any of the ones I see running. Good thing we still have a year to
make up my (our) minds.
I am afraid this topic might get a little rough. But, lets hope we all can weather it.
God Help us all.
I'm one of those purple people, registered independent. I really am interested in how people think and feel about Hillary. I won't be voting in any primary, so I'll keep watching to see how they all speak on their issues, even though most of it is baloney. When they are out and about they are so controlled by their "handlers" that they can't speak their mind anyway. It will be interesting to watch.
Waldo, her husband took the oath never to lie, and based on his interpretation of what constitutes ----------------, I guess he didn't.
Frank
I didn't know what a purple person was for a minute there and it threw me. :-[
As for Mrs. Clinton, I guess I just don't like her because she doesn't seem genuine to me. When I've seen her in interviews, it always seems like a "show" and I don't feel sincerity from her ~ as if she says what her audience wants to hear. Also, I think a person, even a woman ;), can be strong without being hard, and I don't see that quality in her.
I'm registered as Republican because I have less aversion to them than to others. I guess I should really switch to Independent (as long as my folks never find out! HA!)
I do vote for a person according to whom I like, not according to political party; and unless there's someone running I strongly do or don't want to win, I usually skip the primaries because I normally don't feel like I have enough information at that time to make a good choice.
It is frustrating to me that we can't depend on the "real news" channels to provide unbiased information. You hear horror stories about a candidate and then find out it was total bunk the next week. I think I understand why so many people don't vote ~ I often feel like I'm only voting for the person I don't like the least.
I've learned, never argue about politics or religion! I'm not one who likes "discord." I am a conservative, therefore I have conservative belief's. I could list those belief's one by one, but it's not hard to understand what being a conservative means. "I am what I am!"
I was raised a Democrat, and later in life have bounced back and forth ---and now a registered Republican. I have had strong thoughts about becoming an independent. Do I like Hillary Clinton? No. Would I ever vote for her? No. Do I believe any of her motives for wanting to become President of our Great country? No. Reason..........My gut feeling. When Bill Clinton was caught in the act .. ( I voted for him ) and she was so condescending - and so phony about it - and now when you see and hear him on shows like Larry King live, and he is so brow beat and bowing down to her and actually, the times I have seen him, it seems very apparent to me that even he doesn't like her and probably would not put his X on the ballot, if he is allowed to vote, without her standing next to him. I truly think she is a WITCH . She has never given a straight answer to any of the questions and when I never see their daughter on any network, speaking out for her Mother - it tells me very strongly -- She is NOT what we need as our President.
The greatest freedom of all that we have as Americans........ our Right to vote.
She ain't got no class!!! It was obvious from the get go when she was supposed to be getting together a workable health care plan for the U.S., that this was only a power move. I am astounded that she is only about Hillary and thinks she is pulling the wool over everyones' eyes. I am a registered democrat, but vote my consience in all elections. I try to stay informed, although it is indeed difficult. O'Bama frightens me a little, I would like to know a little more about him, not just his blurbs.
Bill lied about Monica and George lied about weapons of mass destrution! Don't know what to do. I don't believe any of them are for the normal working person. I do believe the economy was somewhat better under the last Democrat President than it is today.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...(talking out loud to myself)
Do I just say what I think of her? Like ......ahhhhhhhh......
The woman is a corrupt, lying, power-hungry maniac. Caught red-handed in so many scandals and crimes that it makes the Godfather's activities look like Captain Kangaroo.
Yet, she's the most popular democrat in the country, and millions would vote for her if she ran for president. That says a lot about millions of people in America. They're clueless. I'm sure, tho, that many among the millions are, in fact, completely aware and are tuned into the truth, but just don't care how corrupt she is or how many lies she tells, no matter how big or small those lies are. She's a phony, and it's clear that she's a phony, yet many people follow her.
Why!?! I've no earthly idea.
But, it's truly scary that so many people do, indeed, love her... and I have to seriously wonder if they drink the same water that the crazy people who keep re-electing Ted Kennedy drink.
((Thinking to myself once again)
Or do I actually write the pages and pages and pages of deceit and corrupt crimes that she and her husband have done and openly gotten by with for their own personal gain and at the expense of the American people.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.. If I say what I really think, in the way I want to say it... I could probably be banned from my own website...
((unlady-like language)) But... on the other hand.. the question WAS ask.........and I CAN maybe curb my redneck tongue.. :-X
( and no offense intended Diane.. But the reasons why??..??..?? ) :o
To save myself the high blood pressure and a worse headache than I already have this evening.. I will give you just a drop in the bucket of websites that you can read..that will save me hours and hours of explaining why I dislike this....errrr... auuhhmmm.... 'woman'.
Not only does she want to "disarm" Americans by taking away some of our God Given Rights..but she wants to coddle the illegal immigrants and she wants one world government.
Not USA... but UNN.
And OBama? People would vote for a man to run the United States of America and he won't even salute our flag??!!??
What in the hell is wrong with THAT picture?!
I am waaaayyyyy to disgusted by the Democrats ( and some of the Republicans ) right now to even be a lady when I talk so I will refer to these.. which are only a few of the thousands of things that she and Billy have done and are doing. She has no allegiance to America or the people in this country.. She has proven time and time again that she will say and do anything to further herself politically.
Makes me sick.
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/wiki/Clinton_Lies_and_Criminal_History/
http://prorev.com/hillary.htm
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/hillarSy.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303434,00.html
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2MyYjE0MjRhYzU3YTA1Y2E3YmQzNDRkZjFmN2M0ZGY=
And remember this folks.................Too many people think the President of the United States leads the country single-handedly. Not true. The real power in the USA is the people we elect to Congress. Did anyone read about the over-ride of the presidential veto a few weeks ago? It takes two-thirds of the Senate to over-ride any program the President might propose. ( and that ..at this time.. is predominately Democrats.)
The bottom line.....
Really check out who you are voting for in the upcoming elections. Who is running for the House and Senate in your district and what they stand for. And if they are for altering or taking away any of your freedoms and the amendments.. ya better think twice before putting an X by their name.. Once they take the freedoms away that our founding fathers gave us.. we will never get them back.
Think about it.
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well, here goes. I have a saying that "I don't discuss religion or politics because everyone has their own opinion and I certainly have mine", but in this case I need to speak out. First of all, the original question, "who do I think will win the democratic primary". At this point it is not obvious yet. I do think it will be between Hillary and Obama. Have heard some good points from other candidates, but they are too far back in the running, I feel. I also vote for the person, not the party, however am a registered democrat and I come from a republican family. What party your grandfather belonged to should not influence how you vote. I just wish they hadn't shot most of the Kennedy's because I do think that Ted Kennedy would make a wonderful president. He bows to no one and he is strong in his beliefs of right and wrong. Yes, I know he's a womanizer - so what !! As for Bill Clinton, I have one question for you "Clinton Bashers" - Who in Capitol Hill has no skelton's in their closet??? - Name me just one please. Most just don't get caught and the platform for any election seems to be how much dirt they can dig up on their opposition, not what they can do for this country. In most elections the spouse of the candidate stays in the background and gives moral support which is what Bill Clinton is doing. People wouldn't like it if he "upstaged" Hillary, would they? Who cares who slept with who - I certainly don't. The president is not Jesus Christ and he was the only perfect person to walk this earth and they crucified him. Let's quit discussing the "bad" points of our political canditates and choose the person to vote for that you think can do the best job for ALL AMERICANS, remembering, as Teresa stated, that the president is just a position only, he cannot make the laws or make the changes that need to be made. When you do vote, think about the "working class" of people and retirees, who are the ones that really need change because if you are "moneyed" you have nothing to worry about but how to keep your money and if you are "young", you too will retire one day. Whatever your political beliefs, please VOTE. Others will select who will be on the ballot because Kansas will not have a presidental primary, I understand. I think this is wrong. Maybe we are just a small drop in the bucket, and I know a primary is expensive, but we are part of these United States and we should at least have our say and now THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 8)
I have a P.S. to this - what is your opinion of the electoral vote? My personal feeling is that it does not reflect the choice of the people. Am I wrong in my belief that republicans are for those who have so they can keep what they have and democrats are for those who have not and need? Seems to be that way anyhow. Now suppose I have opened another can of worms. :-\
Quote from: flo on November 30, 2007, 09:02:17 AM
I have a P.S. to this - what is your opinion of the electoral vote? My personal feeling is that it does not reflect the choice of the people. Am I wrong in my belief that republicans are for those who have so they can keep what they have and democrats are for those who have not and need? Seems to be that way anyhow. Now suppose I have opened another can of worms. :-\
Flo.........this is the kind of article that I would like to see in a newspaper.
I was afraid that this would be a bashing topic, what is nice is seeing that we all agree to get out and vote............
One of my favorite jobs (I think it is a good one) is that I work on the Election Board here in Longton.....and altho it can be a long day, I really, really love to do it.
I told Donna that if I couldn't work, I would be so sad.......LOL.......love to think that we are part of this great land.
If you don't vote, you really have no one to blame but yourself if your party doesn't get in.
We are more than ONE vote.............and just one is all we need to get articles passed and we do know we are ONE NATION.....lets act like it........one district at a time and we can turn the anger and violence around to good works.
Think about it and thanks for starting this Diane..........it is a good topic.
Hugs and God bless America
I guess I have a couple of things that really bother me about Mrs. Clinton. I absolutely despise the fact that she will not answer a question with a straight answer. Then when she does get cornered into an answer and realizes that it is unpopular she spins out of it(drivers licenses for illegals in NY.)
I don't like her short or long term economic plan of taxation and national health care. This pie in the sky idea about nationalized health care and health insurance for all is fine but who pays for it. I have a hard enough time paying for my own. Please don't saddle me with someone else's!!! Oh I forgot, they are not as fortunate as I am and they didn't get through the 10th grade. BS--don't get me started on welfare. :-X
Nothing is ever free. Someone has to foot the bill for it. We are a nation that is crippled by a declining currency, blooming debt, and a huge dependency on foreign oil with no long term solution to it. We have a bankrupt social security trust fund that is owed over 2 trillion dollars by the federal government. We need people with vision and honesty. I don't see her as having either one.
Dang---Sorry, I got a little off base of the thread.
Teresa (mom) hit the nail on the head. The president is the visionary, the leader. It takes all the congressmen and Senators to change the course of the country.
Our current president has a job approval rating of 30%
Our current congress has a job approval rating of 19%
I am 100% sure this country needs better direction. Please vote
Thanks to all of you for sharing your opinions. It really is very complicated and there are no simple answers. There is enough fodder in the world situation and on the political stage to debate this for many months. It has always bothered me that the candidates throw knives, arrows and mud, and their researchers will dig up any bit of nasty they can to give their candidate an edge, yet when the election is over it is all but forgotten by the political machine, but not by the American voters. They stir the pot and get us all boiled over and then overnight it's all forgiven and forgotten. Many voters are still influenced by things that made us angry years ago.
Other people don't connect personal behavior with the ability to lead or make good economic decisions. A great many of our past presidents were tomcats, but it was kept quiet...morals weren't a big deal. Now you have to start living up to your plans to be president at age two, your life will catch up with you! Every error in judgement, every slip of the tongue comes back.
I wish congress would spend more time dealing with the country's needs and less time trying to unseat or belittle the other party. The wheels turn so slowly it seems like nothing gets accomplished.
It would seem that the electoral college has out lived its usefulness. People want the winner of the people's popular
vote.
I do agree with Flo that it does seem that the Republicans on the hill are more for the wealthy and the Democrats on the hill are more for the blue collar, "have less" people. I don't mean the average voter, I mean congress.
Regardless, Judy, good for you for being on the election board! We all need to start watching how the candidates develop. Some new leaders may soon appear. I will really start watching after the primaries are over.
Personally, I plan to vote early and often. ;D
My reason is I have seen too many debuts now, where she voted one way on a bill but then says that is not what she meant to do. She also voted with Bush on the war in Irag and now she has changed her tune on that.
When Bill got in trouble and she "Stood by her Man" she probably kick his butt out of bed but with him being in the White House she knew what she was doing.
When she started to run for the President, they got rid of all their overseas stocks and other holdings which makes me wonder what she will do with NAFTA.
I personally think she is a shewolf in sheeps clothing.
Army Mom
WHETHER YOU ARE A REP. OR A DEM. SHOULD DEPEND ON WHETHER YOU THINK THE GOVERMENT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF YOU FROM BIRTH TO DEATH. i LOVE WHAT rONALD REAGAN SAID, THE SCAREST WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE " I AM FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT AND I HAVE COME TO HELP YOU"
Yeah, I love that one too. Hey, Teresa, have you been in New Hampshire recently? ;D ;D ;D
Nope... I don't own any flares.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
The heart warming words of GOVERMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE seem to have been discarded, and also disregarded. When I was in high school (granted ---many, many years go ) it was wonderfu to study goverment, and learn of all the good that the Congress and Senate had to power to do for the good of the American people.
And now -- it sems to be only for the good of the ones that want something for themselves not for our country. We need first and foremost to take care of our own, but somehow on the "big screen" we the people take a back seat to all the other countries and aid to our country is put on the back burner. We have so many that need our help - long before the other countries that are receiving it.
"nuff said from me. for this day, anyway.
I've always said that I bet Bill, Hillary and I could set in a corner booth at the old neighborhood bar, knock down a few beers and have quite an enjoyable evening. But what does that have to do with me wanting them back in the White House?They will be draggin back a whole bunch of baggage, resentments, scores to settle, etc. that I was tired of before they ever got out the first time.
As first lady I feel she was sticking her nose in areas that were way beyond the expected boundaries of her position, soI hate to think what she would get into with the power of the presidency behind her. Retroactive taxes........as a self employed business woman, it was nightmare for me and many of us when her husband did that. I won't vote for anyone that I think will do that again.
I want to see someone who seems to actually think through a problem or issue and look for a solution beyond raising all our taxes as fast as they can and then feeling the need to micromanage all of our lives. Even though I have always been a registered democrat, hell will probably freeze over before I vote for one in this election. I'll be lucky if I have any friends left by the time of the election, because I am just saying what I think, no holds barred.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on November 30, 2007, 09:55:35 PM
I Even though I have always been a registered democrat, hell will probably freeze over before I vote for one in this election. I'll be lucky if I have any friends left by the time of the election, because I am just saying what I think, no holds barred.
Jeese Roma Jean... You should really try to be more quiet.. and keep all your opinions subdued.. (like me) (http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/129.gif)
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My sweet quiet little girl --- Never would stand up for herself -- always timid. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
God Love her ---one never had to worry where she stood on an issue.
I have to tell this (forgive me. Tressy)
When she was in high school -- well, really all through her school years, two of her good friends would get in a "tiff" and Teresa would get in the fray and try to make peace between them and THEN they would both get mad at Teresa, and she would be odd man out. Lordy - what a sad time it was when she came home from school.
I believe the President of The United States of America does have some power.
The ability to veto is a very powerful tool that can be used or abused by any president. Even a weak president can surround himself (or herself ::) with wise council and do a good job.
One of the things that bothers me is our lack of secure, reliable intelligence and trustworthy information on which to base decisions about the problems in Iraq. The WMD situation...I don't think anyone purposefully lied to us, they were fed bad information. If you remember, after 911 there was a 6 month period of threats and saber rattling before we went to Iraq. They had plenty of time to move the stuff somewhere else so it wouldn't be found. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Then there's the huge cost to the war. I remember very well the promise that their oil would pay the U.S. for our war expenses. It was to have cost us nothing (except lives.) There are some groups and some people who are are becoming obscenely wealthy because of the war. They protect each other's backs and oil is at the bottom of it all. I really feel sorry for whomever inherits all this after the election. Then there's Iran, Pakistan, Korea, China and Mexico..... The american dollar is weak and we are staring recession in the face. We are in a sad position right now. It is so complicated, I don't know how anyone can understand all the complexities of it. Sometimes it seems the average American got lost in the shuffle.
iF YOU DONT REG. AS A REP. OR DEM. YOU LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO DESIDE WHO WE VOTE FOR.
I find it telling that no candidates are addressing the high gas prices. I have to wonder if they are afraid to offend the big oil industry? And maybe lose out on that big money support?
AN ANALYSIS WORTH READING:
by Dick Morris, former political advisor to President Bill Clinton
If you happen to see the Bill Clinton five minute TV ad for Hillary in which he introduces the commercial by saying that he wants to share some things we may not know about Hillary's background .. . .beware . . .
As I was there for most of their presidency and know them better than just about anyone, I offer a few corrections;
Bill says: "In law school Hillary worked on legal services for the poor."
The facts are: Hillary's main extra-curricular activity in law school was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a federal agent. She went to court every day as part of a law student monitoring committee trying to spot civil rights violations and develop grounds for appeal.
Bill says: "Hillary spent a year after graduation working on a children's rights project for poor kids."
The facts are: Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.
Bill says: "Hillary could have written her own job ticket, but she turned down all the lucrative job offers."
The facts are: She flunked the DC bar exam, yes, flunked, it is a matter of record, and only passed the Arkansas bar. She had no job offers in Arkansas, none, and only got hired by the University of Arkansas Law School at Fayetteville because Bill was already teaching there. She did not join the prestigious Rose Law Firm until Bill became Arkansas Attorney General and was made a partner only after he was elected Arkansas Governor.
Bill says: "President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Board of Directors and she became its chairman."
The facts are: The appointment was in exchange for Bill's support for Carter in his 1980 primary against Ted Kennedy. Hillary then became chairman in a coup in which she won a majority away from Carter's choice to be chairman.
Bill says: "She served on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital."
The facts are: Yes she did. But her main board activity, not mentioned by Bill, was to sit on the Wal-mart board of directors, for a "substantial" fee. She was silent about their labor and health care practices.
Bill says: "Hillary didn't succeed at getting health care for all Americans in 1994 but she kept working at it and helped to create the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that provides five million children with health insurance."
The facts are: Hillary had nothing to do with creating CHIP. It was included in the budget deal between Clinton and Republican Majority Leader Senator Trent Lott. I know; I helped to negotiate the deal. The money came half from the budget deal and half from the Attorney Generals' tobacco settlement. Hillary had nothing to do with either source of funds.
Bill says: "Hillary was the face of America all over the world."
The facts are: Her visits were part of a program to get her out of town so that Bill would not appear weak by feeding stories that Hillary was running the White House. Her visits abroad were entirely touristic and symbolic and there was no substantive diplomacy on any of them.
Bill says: "Hillary was an excellent Senator who kept fighting for children's and women's issues."
The facts are: Other than totally meaningless legislation like changing the names on courthouses and post offices, she has passed only four substantive pieces of legislation. One set up a national park in Puerto Rico. A second provided respite care for family members helping their relatives through Alzheimer's or other conditions. And two were routine bills to aid 911 victims and responders which were sponsored by the entire NY delegation. Presently she is trying to have the US memorialize the Woodstock fiasco of 40 years ago.
Here is what bothers me more than anything else about Hillary Clinton. She has done everything possible to weaken the President and our country (that's you and me!) when it comes to the war on terror.
That was an excellent article, Jo. I hadn't seen that before. "The spin stops here!"
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/112.gif) Bonnie.. You are the funniest thing..
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Bill Riley would be proud.. LOL
That was a good post Mama.. I found that and more in all of my researches...
sad that more people don't dig into things like this.. on ALL the candidates who are wanting to run for election in our country.
Thanks Bonnie.. I am still chuckling... ;D
Jo, that is exactly what I meant. The day after the election all that is put away and forgotten by the politicians. We, the average American voter, will chew on that stuff for years.