...but I just need to whine somewhere, and I picked here. I have been working on my Genuine Kansas Website real hard for a month or so and have built about 450 pages of content. That's just a start, really, but still it is a good start. Then sometime this evening my web host decided to change their URL forwarding code, although they didn't mention that to their users.
That may be Geek to most of you, but the result is that my shiny new Website has disappeared from the face of the earth for a while. They are "working on that" now but say it will take time, maybe a day or so, for the "URL to resolve." Mind you, the pointers used by the external world have not changed, only the ones totally under their control on their servers. And, actually, just one one single server. I am therefore duly bummed, and not a little miffed at those folks.
Maybe Kjell or another of my fellow geeks here could recommend a Web Hosting Company that is reasonably priced and does not suffer from severe recto-cranial insertion syndrome every couple of months. < sigh >
There, I feel better. Sorry you had to be involved. ;o)
>:(
.. I hear you. My website is down but because the company I purchased my domain from sold that part of their buisness but did not tell me. My domain expired, resulting in my website going down. That was the only way I knew something was wrong.
I contacted the company (a semi local one in your area Elk County). They could not help me. They did not know the password to get into the domain account nor what credit card was used to purchase it (the domain company will not talk with anyone with out these security answers).
So now I have to wait probably 85 days to try and reclaim my domain. Talk about a bummer, especially when that is how I showcase my photography.
I love technology, it is just the human aspect that always seems to mess up lol
Yikes, Nadine, I feel your pain. At least my sites are now more or less back to working again. Your problem is much worse. It seems that more and more that it is all about the money and less and less about the product or service being provided. Maybe you could get Kjell to go over there in his Marshall outfit and have a talk with them!
Hi,
CI Host at http://www.cihost.com/ has been a good and reliable provider for our services for the last six years.
You can get a site on a shared server for about 12 dollars a month.
Nadine,
When it comes to getting back the control of your domain name, it depends on how it was set up initially. If you are at least one of the contact persons (administrative or tech contact) there is a way to get it all solved. However, if your name is not on the domain provider's list, you just have to wait until it expires. Send me a PM with your domain name and I'll see what I can find out at this end.
Have a good weekend.
Isn't he nice~~
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/kiss2.gif)
Kjell is not only nice, he's right!
I just assumed that Nadine had someone else set up the domain for her and didn't get listed as a contact. I guess I got what I deserved for assuming.
Good job, Kjell!
;D
And thanks for letting me know about CI, Kjell. I have three accounts at Webmasters.com. They are usually just great, but every few months they manage to do something really stupid. Every one of those seems to have an effect on my service. I'm pondering changing and will keep CI near the top of my short list.
;D
Unfortuantely, I had someone else set-up my account before I knew anything about the web etc. I think I am hosed until the wait. my domain is www.nadineredd.com.
Live and learn :)
Quote from: Nadine on June 16, 2007, 02:09:06 PM
I think I am hosed until the wait.
Nadine,
You have no idea how long it has been since I have heard someone say, "I am hosed". That phrase makes me feel old.
Nadine -
That domain shows as currently available. For about $10, you can go get it right now for a year. If you don't know how, one of us could help you. It shows that no one is hosting it, of course, as well. Once registered, you could do whatever you wanted with it. Do you still have the pages that were on it?
There is a host sort of associated with it: parkwebwin-v02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net. Is that someone you know of?
Nadine, wait, wait! I have more information (this is edited in). Apparently it used to be hosted at GoDaddy (yuch) by someone called KeyCreations. However, that registration expired about a month ago, on May 21, 2007. So you can certainly register it now, if you want. There is no hold on it, I don't think. The information from the whois record is as follows:
Registrant:
KeyCreations
107 W. First
Udall, Kansas 67146
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: NADINEREDD.COM
Created on: 21-May-02
Expires on: 21-May-07
Last Updated on: 06-Jul-04
Administrative Contact:
Kennedy, Nancy keys@keycreations.com
KeyCreations
107 W. First
Udall, Kansas 67146
United States
620-782-3131 Fax -- 620-782-3156
Technical Contact:
Administrator, Domains hostmaster@keycreations.com
KeyCreations
107 W. First
Udall, Kansas 67146
United States
620-782-3131 Fax -- 620-782-3156
Domain servers in listed order:
NS37.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS38.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
and speaking of Geek - (now no offense, please) all the above sounds Greek to me. However, I am learning more about computers everyday. I can open my own e-mail and turn the durn thing on and off. AND find the Howard Forum . ;D ;D ;D - Oh, so much I don't know about webs (except spider) and etc
Flo, there is just entirely too much to know. I have been in this silly business for 30-odd years and there are still days where I feel like a complete idiot.
Some of those days even have to do with Web knowledge, or the lack thereof.
;D
Geek questions -
Okay, I understand the domain name business. But the hosting? ??? ??? ???
It sounds like you don't like GoDaddy, so if someone needed a host (does everyone?), then what are good hosting companies, or where do you find them?
Oh - and what makes them good (or bad)? ???
A "host" is essentially a computer that is connected to the Internet and from which Web pages are served. That's simplistic, but there it is. You can "host" your own Website on a computer of your own, but most people don't; there's too much work involved in software and hardware maintenance, and the costs can get fairly high.
Instead, most of us pay a monthly or yearly fee to a Web Host, which is a company that either owns or arranges for you to use all or a part of a computer that will host your Website. Often, the company that you deal with doesn't actually own the hardware; instead, they own right to use some of a larger company's hardware and only really provide billing and customer service, which usually includes technical support.
As an example, I currently use Webmasters.com, and have for about 4-5 years. In digging around in their basement, I find that most of the hardware they use is owned by Verio, a much larger company. Although the management at Webmasters (or maybe at Verio) has caused me some headaches over the years, their support people are excellent.
Although I have never asked, I don't really think there is a physical Webmaster.com building or office. All of the hardware is somewhere else (mainly in Florida) and all of the people that I deal with are people that work from their computers at home. I know it sounds a bit obtuse, but it generally works out fairly well.
As to how you find a good Web Host, your guess is as good as mine. I have heard a lot of negative things about GoDaddy and I have had a few problems with Webmasters, but I have heard some real horror stories about some hosts. There are some high-quality, high-priced hosts, but most are lower-priced and service can be pretty spotty, or sometimes pretty good. Nadine has obviously had some problems and Kjell is happy with cihost.com. I have had mixed luck with hosts for a number of my clients over the years.
Probably everybody with a Website has a story.
;D
QuoteA "host" is essentially a computer that is connected to the Internet and from which Web pages are served.
Okay - I guess I'm not in grade school yet, and need the kindergarten version.
If you have a domain name, such as ElkCounty.com, what do you do with a host? Or how are the pages served?
(BTW, ElkCounty.com is available for sale, and I am NOT interested, it just makes a good example. Besides, it gives Pennsylvania examples, not Kansas :()If you bought ElkCounty.com, and created a page with ? ? ? ? ? (Front Page?), how would you get that page to come up with someone clicked on ElkCounty.com?
Well, it's just like a phone call or a letter. Once you know the number or the street address, you can talk to the other end. The Web is like that. Every server gets a number. The numbers are longer than most phone numbers. An example is 123.321.123.321. Lucky they don't make us remember that, huh?
Instead, they let us remember names. So when you type in "www.genuinekansas.com" (please excuse the subtle plug) while you're connected to the internet, your computer know to go to the nearest big network computer with a list of URLs (Uniform Resource Locators) and the appropriate translation. Your computer automatically asks the big Internet computer how you get ahold of the name you just typed. The big computer says, "Oh, that's easy! You need to call 111.222.222.333!" and it just forwards your request on with that number.
There are a lot of combinations of 12 numbers and three dots, though we're starting to run out anyway. But computers are better at numbers than words. So, without you even knowing it, you arrive (usually) quickly at 111.222.222.333, which is the home of GenuineKansas. Sometimes there is some extra local translation when your request arrives at that home computer, sort of like an apartment number, but that's not really important. What important is you got the number from a common Internet resource, and your request has arrived at the right place.
The site that you asked for receives your request, just like somebody would a phone call. And what it hears first is that you have just come in from the outside world and want to see the default page, which is usually named "index.htm", although it can be a number of different things. Or you can ask for a different page name, like "fred.htm." It doesn't matter as long as the Website's host computer knows about the page. And it knows your address, too, because it received it along with your request, just like caller ID. So that starts a conversation. First, it sends you the default page. The you look at that page and click on a link, which tells it to send you a different page from the site. And so it goes.
I'll admit that's the junior high version, but it at least gives you the idea. Yikes! I have to go back out to the airport and pick up my daughter!
If you have more questions, feel free.
;D
What is the middle school version?
In Nebraska and California (forty-odd years of my life), middle school is junior high.
So, in essence, that was it.
And once you get to the high school version, you have to start speaking in acronyms, which is like speaking in tongues only much harder to understand. The computer business has more acronyms than you can shake a stick at. In fact, they probably have an acronym for "shake a stick at." SASA. And then, later, there will be SASA III.
The only people that have more acronyms that the computer business are people in government. The homeland security folks, all by themselves, have taken us into serious acronym overload. I understand that they are way over-budget on the letters S, T, R, and V. It's nothing at all like Denmark. In Denmark there is a law that they have to use every letter at least once in every word. So they don't have any letters left over for acronyms. In some ways, it's a simpler system. It does make the street signs hard to read, though.
;D
How do your host server and your domain name get together?
Quote from: kdfrawg on June 17, 2007, 10:22:03 PM
In Denmark there is a law that they have to use every letter at least once in every word. So they don't have any letters left over for acronyms. In some ways, it's a simpler system. It does make the street signs hard to read, though.
;D
I LOVE it!
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Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 17, 2007, 10:30:24 PM
How do your host server and your domain name get together?
That's a fairly personal question, Mom70x7. ;D
When you set up an account with a Web Host, you either tell them what your domain name is or have them register the desired name for you. That last part is what got Nadine in trouble, by the way. Then, because there has to be a fair trade somewhere in this life, the Web host issues you one of those long numbers to use (it's a rental), like 321.654.987.123.
The Web host then informs the entire Internet / Web community that your chosen name is to be matched with the number that you were issued. That information is sent to a rather large number of large Internet traffic-cop systems, who put the name-number pair in their URL (remember URLs?) database. Eventually, your information gets into the system, generally within 24 to 48 hours.
During this period of resolution (honest, that's what they call it, "Allow 24-48 for your URL and Domain Name to Resolve...") it is possible, nay likely, that you will be available under your special name and number in some places and not in others. It is entirely plausible that users in, say, Pakistan will be able to type in your name and see your web pages before people in South Dakota are able to do so. Nobody said it was going to be fair out here on the Internet Trafficway, or Internet Lane if you're on dial-up, or Web Cul-de-sac if the power is out.
;D
What happens is that once the domian expires it goes into a public auction. The $10.00 bid is from a company I hired to try and get the domain back. It is a a wait game and see if my $10.00 bid holds. Sure hope there is not another nadine redd out there that is wanting the domain :)
Janet, funny about the phase hosed. Yes we are all getting older.
Hosting is a crap shoot as far as I am concerned. I have been with Ipower.com for the past 5 years and am happy with their service. I would not be dealing with godaddy.com except in this domain nightmare had I just have been notified before it expired. As I have said before, live and learn. Someone asked me the other day why I was not mad about this, I just smiled, "I have a friend that is dieing from breast cancer - I just left the hospital for a break this afternoon. Now that is something to be mad about."
I just want my site back up :) nothing compared to you losing the battle for your life.
I have tried to convience Rudy with area newspaperd to go to the web. Maybe I should purchased the elkcounty.com (I checked and it shows not available). I have not been able to sell him on that, but I keep trying. Where else can you get 24/7 marketing for around $100.00 (cost for hosting and domain)? Instant news to the public. Take this site how much information is being shared among neighbors and yet allows me, who does not live ther any longer to stray in touch and know what is happening?
If you own a business and you are not on the web, contact me, you are missing out on so much as far as your buinsess is concerned, espeically if you live in a rural area such as Elk County. The world is yours to grab if you want it.
That auction thing doesn't come up all that often. :( What a pain. But you're right, there are probably not very many people with your name. I hope some domain name speculator doesn't buy it just because he can.
And you are dead right about companies being on the Web. I have been putting companies large and small on the Web for years and it is almost always worth it. People have come to the conclusion that if you don't have a Website, you can't be serious. And except for construction costs if you can't build your own, it is one heck of a bargain.