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General Category => The Good Old Days => Topic started by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 01, 2007, 12:45:55 PM

Title: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 01, 2007, 12:45:55 PM
I was just wondering if anyone had any information on a small cemetary that sets on the east side of Road 14 out here north of Howard. It's on some family property and we've walked through it many times. It's neat to look at some of the old tombstones. It's it pretty sad condition, as it is all grown over with trees and such. I'll see if I can get back in there when the weather gets nicer again and get some names off of the stones, or even some pictures. But I was just wondering if anyone else knew of this cemetary or if it once had a name.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Wilma on March 01, 2007, 01:05:28 PM
What east-west road is close to it?  I am not recalling any cemetaries on that road.  maybe the Jacobs would know something about it.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: genealogynut on March 01, 2007, 01:09:10 PM
What I would like to strongly urge you to do, is to contact Neva Walter in the Register of Deeds office and see if she has any data on the location of that cemetery.  If not, I am sure she would like to have the cemetery "read."  (Names/dates and anything else that may be on the stones).
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 01, 2007, 01:24:09 PM
It is right off of Road 14, you can see it if you know what to look for from the road. Road 14 runs north & south. But the closest east and west roads would be Pioneer (being the closest to it), and then Quail. Boy, that's confusing.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Wilma on March 01, 2007, 01:48:41 PM
Am I right that Rd. 14 and Rockl is where Joetta and Dan Miller live?  Then the cemetary would be about 2 miles south of there?  In all the years that we have driven that road, I don't remember anything looking like an old cemetary.  This is something I am going to have to look up when I can get out again.  The 1903 map I have shows a church and cemetary 1/2 mile south of Rock and Rd. 14 and I have never seen anything there that looks like either.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 01, 2007, 01:51:03 PM
Dan & Joetta Miller are Billy's grandparents and they do live at that location. Our new house is also on Road 14 about a half mile south of the Rock Rd/Road 14 intersection. The cemetary is, I think, about 2 miles from our house. Maybe less. It is just south of Keat Miller's home. I believe Billy's uncle, Ted Miller owns the property.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 01, 2007, 01:52:56 PM
There is also an old school house about a half mile from our house, or Rock Road. It sets on the corner of Rd. 14 and Quail. Dan tells us stories all the time about going to school there. Maybe it was a church at one time?
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Wilma on March 01, 2007, 02:00:16 PM
Now I have more reason to travel up that road.  Have to come see your new house.  Did you know there used to be a church on the northwest corner of the intersection of Rock and Rd. 14?  I don't remember the name of it, but I will bet Dan does.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 01, 2007, 03:35:33 PM
I know that there used to be a low water bridge at this intersection. I'll have to search around our parcel and see if I can find any thing that looks like remains of an old church. Probably not, but it will sure give me something to do! Thanks for the info. Wilma, it sure gets me excited to find out some things about the place where I live.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Wilma on March 01, 2007, 04:33:50 PM
My folks lived on, I think Rd. 9, 2 miles south of the Cresco Cemetery road and we lived in Severy.  Everytime we went to my folks, which was almost every weekend, we would take the Cresco Cemetery road west.  I know that area very well.  As a treat, we would sometimes detour through the countryside.  My folks had lived there since 1947, so it was many years that we had to get to know the country.  I say I think it was Rd. 9 because I am not used to the roads being numbered yet.  It is the road with the Forrest Cemetery.  My folks owned the corner south and on the west side of the road.  Now my brother owns it.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 01, 2007, 04:41:18 PM
Now you've got me crazily interested in the history of my area. Dan was here a while ago and I asked him about the church you mentioned. He told me it was on the north side of Rock (Cresco) Road, and now it's a hay field. But there is a well house there. I also read about some of the tornadoes in the area, most of them happened to be northwest of Howard...I sure hope that's just coincidence and I don't have to encounter one! Before we put our new house in out here, we lived out in the Busby area, in a house that Jerry and Norma Allen rent out. While living there, I witnessed one tornado, it was enough to last me a lifetime! Pretty scary being home alone with a baby! Billy was away at work. Needless to say, nothing was damaged and no one was hurt....just a little shook up!!
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Wilma on March 01, 2007, 05:26:35 PM
Of course you have read about the tornado in Elk County in 1991.  There seems to be a path along the route of that one that most of the tornadoes take.  They can veer off either way and it seems to happen every few years.  My folks farm was hit several times.  Not seriously like total destruction, but damage.  Some years before 1947, a tornado took the barn and silo from across the road 1/2 mile south of them.  The one in 1991 skipped over that farm for a change.  I hope you have a shelter of some kind.

We were hit at Haysville in 1999.  All but one of our neighbors to the southeast of us lost everything.  The one neighbor had enough damage she couldn't live in her house and the neighbor to the east of us was damaged enough he had to leave, too.  We were lucky our house and buildings stood up to the storm and we didn't have to move out.  I think the tall trees softened the brunt of the storm and saved our buildings.  We lost about half of the big trees.  That is closer than I ever want to be to a tornado again.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: hhjacobs on March 01, 2007, 07:48:54 PM
 The church set on the northwest coroner with the low water bridge just to the west of it. If I remember right.
I don't remember the name of it,but attended it a few times as a young lad. I don't think the well house was there  when the church was.
The road 14 used to go striaght south. The old school house is named Lower Paw Paw School.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: ddurbin on March 01, 2007, 07:56:00 PM
This area of the county is unfamiliar to me, but in looking at the plat map of 1903 linked in Michael Glenn's post of Dec. 31, I'm wondering if the location of this cemetery would be on the west side of section 11.  There is a church and cemetery shown at that location.  Can anyone match up Road 14 with that map and determine if that's the correct spot or not?
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Wilma on March 01, 2007, 08:55:11 PM
I thought that, too, but CrumCowgirl puts it a mile south of Sec. 11, which would be sec. 14.  I think she said the east side of the road.  Her new house is in sec. 11, just about where the church and cemetary were according to my map.  I am wondering if the location of the church and cemetary on the map is right.  It could have been a mile further south and I think that  I have found other errors on this map..
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Janet Harrington on March 01, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
I would have to be shown the cemetery.  I don't think I have ever heard of it.  Out that way is Bunker Hill Cemetery.  That Cemetery is one mile south and about a half mile west and then a little bit north of where Dale Brenner lives.  That's the only one I can think of but Bunker Hill is about 2 to 3 miles west of where CrumCowGirl is talking about.  CCG, I think you will need to talk with Neva Walter and describe it to her.  She probably knows the name of it.
Title: Re: Cemetery Northwest of Howard
Post by: Marcia Moore on March 03, 2007, 06:58:48 PM
Hi -
    I have been in Topeka the last three days to look through Howard microfilm and photographs from this area at the Kansas State Historical Society.  While there, I checked out the Elk County Forum (which I must say I am getting very addicted to) and saw where some were wondering about the cemetery that sits at 1748 Road 18.  I wanted to reply, but could not remember my password so was unable to at the time.  
    This cemetery is the Fairview United Brethren Cemetery.  It is in dire need of maintenance.  I don't think the county or the township can step in and start taking care of the cemetery because it is on privately owned land, the landowner owning the land surrounding it, as well.  John and Sheila Dodds were the last to purchase the property, but John has since passed away and I think Sheila has remarried.  Keat Miller lives just across the fence north from the cemetery.  
    There were at least 29 people buried in the Fairview United Brethren Cemetery, a few of which were later disinterred and buried elsewhere.  
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Janet Harrington on March 04, 2007, 08:33:14 PM
Sheila Dodds did remarry, but she divorced that man.  He recently committed suicide in her house on her place northwest of Howard.  Right at the moment I cannot remember her last name.  I'll do some looking.  I believe that she is still using Dodds and if we could contact her, I bet we could have access to that cemetery.  It would just be a matter of asking permission.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Wilma on March 05, 2007, 02:04:25 PM
I wanna go, too.  I wanna go.
Title: Re: Cemetery Northwest of Howard
Post by: Marcia Moore on March 05, 2007, 03:35:21 PM
If you are going to the cemetery, you ought to go before the rattlesnakes come out in a few weeks.  
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: hhjacobs on March 05, 2007, 03:56:45 PM
If that cemetary is NW of Howard. How can it be on Road 18. Road 18 is east of the Highway?????
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Wilma on March 05, 2007, 04:56:17 PM
I am sure she meant Road 14.  Everything fits.
Title: Re: Cemetery Northwest of Howard
Post by: Marcia Moore on March 05, 2007, 05:33:04 PM
Yes, I did mean Road 14.  Guess I didn't proofread very well.  Thanks for catching that.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 06, 2007, 10:10:23 AM
Many of the tombstones have been knocked over, and some are cracked. It's very sad.

When you are out visiting the cemetary, you can come visit me! I only live about a mile or two straight north of there!! I looove company!!!  8)
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Teresa on March 07, 2007, 12:28:57 AM
Sheila has remarried . After her ex husband ( not John) committed suicide, she married again.
I met him a few weeks ago, but I can't rememember his name.
Sheila is a great lady and I am sure if you ask her and talked with her, she wouldn't care at all if you looked at the cemetary.

The only cemetary I knew about was the one south of Steddum's property..
I used to ride my horse by there every day and she would get all weird and crow hop and walk sideways until we passed it.
I used to get so tickeled at her... I would tell her that we were going to go on "Spook Road"...and I made her walk by there just to see if she would get over it.
She never did.. lol

Animals see and sense things that sometimes we humans don't, and I imagine that there were maybe some imprints of whatever and whomever was on the property either while it has been a cemetary or before..
I wish I had the gift to "see" things that have crossed over or are still earthbound... Buuuuttttt.. I don't.. so I had to rely on my horse to see for me..  ;)
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: CrumCowgirlMama on March 07, 2007, 08:15:02 AM
Her new husband's name is Ron. They are very nice people.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Janet Harrington on March 07, 2007, 09:42:20 PM
The cemetery by Steddum's is the one called Bunker Hill.
Title: Re: Cemetary Northwest of Howard
Post by: Teresa on March 19, 2007, 07:53:40 PM
Well thanks for letting me know the name. I wondered what I could call it..
It is very nicely kept.. all mowed up and neat.