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I don't.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/should-christians-recite-the-pledge-of-allegiance/

Why, Red?? ???

Warph, that would take more time than I have.

However, a socialist invented the Pledge of Allegiance.  Take it from there and do your own study.

If you find anything supporting the POA, then let's see it.  Meanwhile, I'll see if I can find anything.  OK?

I totally disagree.It is not known exactly who wrote the original version, so stating it was a socialist is misleading. Which version would that be? It was rewritten several times with slight changes.The first one was part of the commeration of Columbus's discovery 400 years later. I've known that for years and taught the various versions to my kids so they can see how things do change and don't always stay the same forever.If that makes me a socialist, so be it. You want truth? That's it!

Quote from: redcliffsw on January 27, 2015, 08:10:01 AM

However, a socialist invented the Pledge of Allegiance. 

Thats a pretty ridiculous statement, even from you.  I am awaiting your source....

The originator of the Pledge of Allegiance was Francis Bellamy, a socialist:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=bellamy&GSfn=francis+&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=4557&df=all&

 Red, I stick by my opinion. Some think the publisher wrote it, some think as you do, and some think it could have been a collaboration between the two. Regardless, it was known to have been published for the Columbus 400th anniversary of his landing and didn't stir up much interest at the time. Why is it important to you?

I read up a little bit, and I stress little.  Seems to me like he was an advocate for the working man.  If wanting to feed the hungry, shelter the poor and provide for the sick, etc etc makes a person a socialist, then Jesus was a socialist, and so should all good christians be a socialist.

Luke 3:11

And he answered them, "Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise."

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 28, 2015, 09:07:36 AM
Red, I stick by my opinion. Some think the publisher wrote it, some think as you do, and some think it could have been a collaboration between the two. Regardless, it was known to have been published for the Columbus 400th anniversary of his landing and didn't stir up much interest at the time. Why is it important to you?

Americans are repeating Pledge of Allegiance because the government blessed it and introduced it thru the government schools.  Does that make it patriotic?  Our forefathers would not recite that kind of stuff. 

I'm thinking that you supposedly quit posting again.  Why your return?  To defend the Pledge of Allegiance? 

Quote from: Anmar on January 28, 2015, 09:48:13 PM
I read up a little bit, and I stress little.  Seems to me like he was an advocate for the working man.  If wanting to feed the hungry, shelter the poor and provide for the sick, etc etc makes a person a socialist, then Jesus was a socialist, and so should all good christians be a socialist.

Luke 3:11

And he answered them, "Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise."

Luke 3:11 KJB
He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

Jesus was not a socialist - you're out of your mind or you're simply not a Christian.

You're advocating government to force people to give to the poor.  You sound like a Bob Dole Republican or George McGovern Democrat.  Which are you?  Although it doesn't make much difference which brand of socialism you support.

History of the Food Stamp Program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0_OWueb_8Y

I said I was taking a break, which I did. You have a problem with that?

No problem here.  Carry on.

Via WaPo:


Freshman state Rep. Molly White (R-Belton) is not in Austin on Thursday to celebrate Texas Muslim Capitol Day. But she left instructions for the staff in her Capitol office on how to handle visitors who are Muslim, including asking them to declare allegiance to the United States.

"I did leave an Israeli flag on the reception desk in my office with instructions to staff to ask representatives from the Muslim community to renounce Islamic terrorist groups and publicly announce allegiance to America and our laws," she posted on Facebook. "We will see how long they stay in my office."

Texas Muslim Capitol Day is organized by the Texas chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. On its Web site, the daylong event is described as "an opportunity for community members to learn about the democratic political process and how to be an advocate for important issues." The agenda calls for sessions about political activism and visits to the offices of state representatives.

Quote from: redcliffsw on January 29, 2015, 09:03:56 AM
Luke 3:11 KJB
He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

Red, what does this quote mean to you?  I read it, and to me it says, If you have extra, give it to the other guy who doesn't have any.

Then why use the government to forcibly take from one to give to another person or a corporation?  Can you even see that as a violation of liberty?  That's socialism and you've called Jesus a socialist. 

You don't seem to be lined up with the Bible or the U.S. Constitution - is that about right?




   

your answer is non-responsive.

      I believe Red is pointing out that his KJV says " let HIM impart" not that he should be ordered to do so.

Isn't the basis of the Christian belief loving one another, doing unto others as you would have others do unto you?  If we all would live by our professed Christian beliefs, there would be no need for taking from the rich and giving to the poor.  The rich would give and the poor would humbly receive.  No politics.

Quote from: Wilma on January 30, 2015, 11:54:39 AM
Isn't the basis of the Christian belief loving one another, doing unto others as you would have others do unto you?  If we all would live by our professed Christian beliefs, there would be no need for taking from the rich and giving to the poor.  The rich would give and the poor would humbly receive.  No politics.

While I agree with your characterization of christian beliefs, the issue here is whether believing in charity, equality, etc, makes you a socialist.  Red seems to believe that Christians should not recite the pledge because it was written by someone who believes the rich should share their wealth with the poor. 

I just want to point out the irony in that statement.  Sharing with the poor, throwing off worldly possessions, etc are fundamental tenets of Christianity that our country has forgotten.  The man who wrote the pledge stood for those ideas.

Then this man was a Christian.  How does that make him a Socialist?

Anmar, what do you say to that?