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Title: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Teresa on February 15, 2005, 04:08:04 PM
What do you think about this?


February 10, 2005

A school in California has declared that chipping its
young pupils is mandatory - and parents are furious
about it.

Brittan Elementary School in Sutter, California,
introduced a scheme last month to use RFID to identify
its pupils. The RFID chips are worn around the neck in
the form of ID badges and can be used to monitor where
the children are on school grounds, and carry the
child's name, photo, grade and unique school ID
number.

A recent letter sent home to parents from the school
said: "It is important the badge be worn at all times
during school hours. This additional step will help
keep your child safe while at school."

The letter concludes: "Students who lose or destroy
their badges will be accountable for the cost of
replacing them."

According to the school's weekly bulletin, the system
allowed the staff to find when a non-student was in
the school, due to the interloper's lack of badge. The
bulletin also says the RFID tags could be used to help
identify any missing children in the event of an
emergency.

The newsletter adds: "Questions have arisen regarding
the safety of the materials used in the badges. The
chip that is used to activate the attendance of a
child entering a classroom does not have any
radioactive elements."

Parents aren't just complaining about the chips on
health grounds, they're complaining about the civil
liberties implications too.

Michael Cantrall, parent of one of the children at
Brittan Elementary, said: "Are we trying to bring them
up with respect and trust, or tell them that you can't
trust anyone, you are always going to be monitored and
someone is always going to be watching you?",
according to a report in the Associated Press.

Some parents have complained to the school authorities
about the use of the tags and civil liberties groups,
including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, have
taken up the cause.

Principal Earnie Graham told the AP that he hopes to
add a barcode to the RFID tag to allow the children to
pay for meals at school and take out library books. He
said that while the whole school must wear the badges,
only the seventh and eighth graders are being tracked.


http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/rfid_parents_fight_manditory_kids_rfid.htm
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: DanCookson on February 15, 2005, 04:26:07 PM
Glad your on top of that ma.  I'll sleep better tonight. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Teresa on February 15, 2005, 04:43:46 PM
STOP IT!!! >:(
:D :D :D
I just thought it was something that would invoke conversation... lol lol
Would you be more inclined to be interested if they had an ID tag on your goat?
lol???

Actually the website had a tracking article on guns that Kjell is checking out...
so I had found that on there too... so there! :P
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2005, 06:28:10 PM
I've seen pictures of the badges - they appear to be plastic cards on a lanyard around the student's neck.

I don't like the idea of them when used like that.

As far as keeping track of kids - what's to prevent the student from taking off the id badge, putting it in a restroom (or some other semi-logical place) and skipping school? Or giving their id badge to a friend so that the friend has 2 badges (one in a pocket or backpack) and the student again skipping school or going where he or she doesn't belong.

And if the school wants to keep strangers out, why not monitor the doors? Watch who comes in?

Letting students have an ID card isn't a bad idea. Making it a "charge" card for the library and lunchroom also works for me. That could be incorporated into lessons on credits cards when they're adults.

I guess I just don't like the around the neck thing or the reasoning. Maybe it's a good idea with poor presentation and public relations.
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Teresa on February 15, 2005, 08:16:43 PM
I agree with mom70x7... Good concept... but too many holes in the "what can be done to get around it".
**whisper mode on**.. I would be the one that would talk someone into wearing mine so I could have snuck down to the bridge to go swimming for the afternoon...**whisper mode off**
Ohhhh I am glad I didn't have to raise me...
Hats off to my saintly wonderful Mother.. who didn't kill me.. and who didn't commit suicide before she got me raised..  :-*
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Janet Harrington on February 15, 2005, 08:33:51 PM
I'm sure you know or maybe not, that Wichita schools use ID cards for their students and yes they are worn on lanyards around the neck.  I don't see a problem with that.  The card has in big bold letters what school it is with the school year and a big colored picture of the student.  I think it is a great idea.  We use ID cards at work with our photos etc.  I carry my key card in it that let's me in and out of the door to the sheriff's office.  To get into the jail, I have to call, beg, whine, whatever.  And sometimes they get me trapped between the outside door and the inside door.  That space is called a security vestibule and they (my officers) think it is a hoot.  Anyway, I don't see a problem with the ID cards with pictures.  I don't think they need to go so far as the security chip.  After all, our children are not animals.  Well, maybe some are.
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Teresa on February 15, 2005, 08:37:59 PM
Children aren't animals dear TaTa...
You are just remembering the men you have dated... :D :D :D
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/images/manlaugh.gif)
(ohhh I really crack myself up sometimes.)
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: mtcookson on February 16, 2005, 03:28:32 PM
if its for school security i just say put one of these at each door (http://www.mtcmotosports.com/killrobot.gif)
(http://www.mtcmotorsports.com/edgewood/images/smiles/rofl.gif)

with as accurate as the tracking system sounds it seems as though if one kid were to wear theirs and another's tag the system would show two people walking together going to the same classes constantly which i'm sure would easily allow the kid skipping to be caught.

leaving the tag in the bathroom or something along those lines would show no movement which would definitely cause major alarm as they wouldn't be sure if the person was hurt or sick or something along those lines so would check it out immediately. could actually help to keep kids from skipping school... not that it matters with a lot of taday's ciriculum... (http://www.mtcmotorsports.com/edgewood/images/smiles/rofl.gif)
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2005, 07:04:50 PM
I don't think that those chips need to be put in these cards.  That's just kind of stupid.  Just about everywhere you go, though, you see business that have people's id's that they wear around their neck.  I saw some today that were from Raytheon.

Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Teresa on February 16, 2005, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: mtcookson on February 16, 2005, 03:28:32 PM
leaving the tag in the bathroom or something along those lines would show no movement which would definitely cause major alarm as they wouldn't be sure if the person was hurt or sick or something along those lines so would check it out immediately.


Hmmmmmm~~ so what you are saying my dear nephew is that I will have to take my tag off and hang it on a fan that was blowing and  revolving , :-\ that would cause movement so no one become suspicious of me being gone.. ! :laugh:
Yessssss... I think that would work... ;)
Swimming hole..here I come.....
Last one in, is a rotten egg!!!  ;D

Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2005, 07:29:22 PM
Me thinks that MT has skipped school or done something like that before. :police: :police: :police:
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: mtcookson on February 24, 2005, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Teresa on February 16, 2005, 07:14:21 PM
Hmmmmmm~~ so what you are saying my dear nephew is that I will have to take my tag off and hang it on a fan that was blowing and  revolving , :-\ that would cause movement so no one become suspicious of me being gone.. ! :laugh:
Yessssss... I think that would work... ;)
Swimming hole..here I come.....
Last one in, is a rotten egg!!!  ;D



ehh... still wouldn't work. maybe if you put it on a mouse or something... but even then... when they see you walking through walls they may know something is up. :D

QuoteMe thinks that MT has skipped school or done something like that before.   

first time i had ever skipped school (actually walked out and had no permission) was the very last day of my senior year after we had gone through the graduation stuff. weren't too many seniors as a lot went to the senior trip and i walked into one of my classes and the teacher was like "man... what are you doing here? you're graduated..." i was like "yeah... you're right. no point to be here." and just walked out and left. :D

other than that, i don't believe i had any unexcused absences (except for the ones where their rules are all screwed up to where even though its excused, its not... ???). i was the very, very quiet one in school and never really got in trouble for anything... since i never really did anything to get me into trouble. :D
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Teresa on February 24, 2005, 06:30:28 PM
Quotei don't believe i had any unexcused absences (except for the ones where their rules are all screwed up to where even though its excused, its not... ???). i was the very, very quiet one in school and never really got in trouble for anything... since i never really did anything to get me into trouble. :D

Well believe me... Your Uncle Mark and I more than made up for your good behavior with our constant antics.when we were in good old Howard High.( I think that we had a permanent place in the principals office most every day.). :P :angel:... and then the next generation of Mark & Teresa starts to arrive...... Danny comes along and the teachers, I am sure, thought that the "onry" had been bred out of the Cookson's. But noooo there was still some of that showed up now and then...But still this boy Danny was calm in comparison to his parents legacy. Ahhhh..they start to relax.
( but it was a trick)  Just when the teachers thought it was safe to have a normal class in a normal school ???.. ... DEREK appears on the scene!! :o!!
Poor teachers... :'(
Whoo-Boy... tis good that at least you all of the other side of the Cookson family was obedient! :-[
;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: mtcookson on February 25, 2005, 11:04:07 AM
i don't know about that... i think michael and daniel could continue on with the legacy... lol
Title: Re: Parents fight school over mandatory RFID on kids
Post by: Teresa on February 25, 2005, 12:21:57 PM
 :-[ oh yeah... I forgot that.. And I do think that you are right. :-\