Elk County Forum

There's been discussion over the last several years about how many students the current school was destined to hold. To some extent, that doesn't matter.

Before the schools were consolidated, there were 17 classrooms in the main building, plus the music room, and the vo-ag/art/woods addition. Those classrooms were probably designed, as has been claimed, to hold 600 students.

When the grade schools were moved onto the West Elk campus, we added 4 mobile units, creating an additional eight rooms.

However, we also added 14 classes (K-6, both schools), plus computer labs, pre-schools, 2 Title I rooms, 2 music rooms, 2 libraries, 2 gyms and 2 cafeterias.

Yes, we've obviously combined several classrooms - we have only 1 cafeteria, for instance. But the students are pretty much rushed through there, so everyone has a chance to eat. We've had to take time out of the school day for junior high sports practice, so that everyone has a chance at the gym. That means our junior high students lose instruction time during the day. We only use 1 music room - but it's packed all day long. The music teacher has 11 classes to prepare for each day. (Might be 12, but I think it's 11.) Some of the grade school classes have been combined - but not all of them. There is not much time for lingering in the library, or studying there. Students have to be in and out quickly, because a portion of it is used for classes (and tutoring).

In other words, it's not just the number of students. It's the classroom space that is needed.

And I'm aware I'm reopening a can of worms here. I think the distinction is important, however. Sometimes we get caught up comparing apples and oranges.

The additional space is needed.

And can I please add that the school needs to be made secure! You can easily "sneak" past the office and the modules outside are really not secure at all! And if the district wants to keep good teachers, they need to listen to their Principal who they hired to supervise and guide those teachers!! The school board does not work with teachers on a daily basis!!
Lisa
jus'sayin

We need more with first hand knowledge of the conditions to "just say".

Quote from: Mom70x7 on November 30, 2013, 02:23:52 PM
There's been discussion over the last several years about how many students the current school was destined to hold. To some extent, that doesn't matter.

Before the schools were consolidated, there were 17 classrooms in the main building, plus the music room, and the vo-ag/art/woods addition. Those classrooms were probably designed, as has been claimed, to hold 600 students.

When the grade schools were moved onto the West Elk campus, we added 4 mobile units, creating an additional eight rooms.

However, we also added 14 classes (K-6, both schools), plus computer labs, pre-schools, 2 Title I rooms, 2 music rooms, 2 libraries, 2 gyms and 2 cafeterias.

Yes, we've obviously combined several classrooms - we have only 1 cafeteria, for instance. But the students are pretty much rushed through there, so everyone has a chance to eat. We've had to take time out of the school day for junior high sports practice, so that everyone has a chance at the gym. That means our junior high students lose instruction time during the day. We only use 1 music room - but it's packed all day long. The music teacher has 11 classes to prepare for each day. (Might be 12, but I think it's 11.) Some of the grade school classes have been combined - but not all of them. There is not much time for lingering in the library, or studying there. Students have to be in and out quickly, because a portion of it is used for classes (and tutoring).

In other words, it's not just the number of students. It's the classroom space that is needed.

And I'm aware I'm reopening a can of worms here. I think the distinction is important, however. Sometimes we get caught up comparing apples and oranges.

The additional space is needed.

All that high tech is not as important as people think it is. Most of the kids know the high tech better than the teachers. Unless they are teaching programing and that is not their job. Their is college and technical schools for teaching programing.

So you are saying the School Board screwed up shuting down the Moline Grade School!
Are you agreeing they wasted a half million dollars on trailers that need to dispose of ?

You need more class rooms and another cafeteria and another gymnasium it's all available right there at the Moline Grade School and would not cost $6,000,000 plus interest for twenty years in higher property tax.

And Mom70x7 I'd wager you $100 that Moline would gladly dead the property back to School District if asked.

But you folks in How-weird are only interested in wasting other peoples money to buid a Taj Mahal?

Why?

It has been said that if that if there was a big school over there by How-weird people would move there and the economy of Howard would improve. Meaning the merchants win Howard would make more money. Guess what, that is a very cruel joke! Where would those people come from?

Sure it worked fo the sleepr communities or suburbs of Wichita, because those sleepers had the largest city in Kansas with plenty of jobs and they are close to Wichita.

What large city is Howard a suburb of ?
Where are all the in Elk County for people to earn money ?

I'm sorry to have to inform you but Elk County will continue to decline until some kind of Industry that offers good pay comes to Elk County !

But as long as Elk County lacks the proper attitude to accept what they call outsiders there is no help.

If the wealth want a Taj Mahal perhaps they can afford to pay for it.
Or Perhaps you can get those people that collect millions from the wind farm to donate the funds you seek, but as the School Board noted at their last meeting a Bond Issue in April will probably fail and they discussed palnning to do another bond Issue in November. I am certain that one will fail too!

I'm certain the majority of people feel they are taxed enough and are tired of the liberals and all their high faluting plans that fail and want to continue taxing to appease their selfish needs.

Make all the excuese you want, they just won't fly any longer.

Quote from: Wilma on November 30, 2013, 07:22:22 PM
We need more with first hand knowledge of the conditions to "just say".

You are so right Wilma.

The contractor pointed out that the classrooms were Luxurious, meaning extra large for the size of the classes. There was even talk of resizing the rooms and making new rooms out of the space saved.

As I have said in past posts the School Board could do far better with an Efficiency Expert to better utilize the space available.

They would fair far better than with a contractor that wants to land a multi-million dollar contract!

Also before any Bond Issue is approved, it is my opinion that the voters and taxpayers should require the School Board to request a Kansas State Audit of our School District and the School Board should comply unless they have something to hide or are afraid the State would tell them they
don't need a Taj Mahal!

Simple get the State to back them and it would almost be a done deal.

Quote from: farmgal67357 on November 30, 2013, 05:32:41 PM
And can I please add that the school needs to be made secure! You can easily "sneak" past the office and the modules outside are really not secure at all! And if the district wants to keep good teachers, they need to listen to their Principal who they hired to supervise and guide those teachers!! The school board does not work with teachers on a daily basis!!
Lisa
jus'sayin

I'd suggest that you do away the teachers lounge and have the teachers out with the children that are entrusted in the care of the school and as they would have the opportunity to observe for bullying.

That lounge could be made into a class room.

Simple, huh! Just saying !

But why do you think we need security West Elk? I mean it was even mentioned hiring a Security Officer?
Why? Are we a major Metropolitan area with gangs and robberies and rapists and all that bad stuff in Elk County? I really wonder, why you think West Elk needs security.

When the Moline Grade School was still open they put in cameras and electronically controlled doors and yet on several occasions when I visited the school the front door was not locked. I guess they figured they did not need to use the added security. Go figure!

Just asking ?

Ross, shut up.

I'd suggest that you do away the teachers lounge and have the teachers out with the children that are entrusted in the care of the school and as they would have the opportunity to observe for bullying.
That lounge could be made into a class room.


What's with the attack on the teacher's lounge? Have you been there? Do you know what's in it?

There are the two photocopiers the teachers can use - one color, one black & white. A few teachers have small copiers in their classrooms, but the majority of them use the two heavy-duty copiers. Saves on cost by having only the two major ones. Also in the teacher's lounge are the mailboxes - where the secretaries distribute the mail each day. That saves time, so the secretaries don't have to visit each classroom, interrupting teaching time to deliver mail. The teachers pick up their mail during their free time (lunch time or before/after school) or when they use one of the two restrooms. There are refrigerators in there, for the teachers to store their lunches. They don't have space in their classrooms for individual refrigerators and the school's refrigerators are full.

Also in the lounge are the office supplies all the teachers use when necessary - the three-hole punch, the shredder, the paper cutters, etc., and all the paper supplies for the copiers, including the different colored papers. And there's a set of shelves/drawers with all the different forms for the teachers to fill out for various activities. The teachers can access the forms whenever needed and turn them, completed, into the office.

Oh, and yes, there are tables and chairs in there: two tables, along with a total of 10 chairs. Definitely not enough space for many teachers and aides/paras to be there at one time. And . . . if anyone is using one of the copiers or the paper cutter, there's not enough space to use the entire table. It's too crowded.

f you were to turn the lounge into a classroom (and I think it's too small, legally, for a class) where would you suggest all the rest of the equipment be store? Or would you purchase individual supplies for each of the teachers in their classrooms? What are your ideas?

Awesome, Wilma you said it all.

Quote from: ROSS on November 30, 2013, 07:24:10 PM
I'm certain the majority of people feel they are taxed enough and are tired of the liberals and all their high faluting plans that fail and want to continue taxing to appease their selfish needs.

Make all the excuese you want, they just won't fly any longer.

Quote from: ROSS on November 30, 2013, 07:41:31 PM
The contractor pointed out that the classrooms were Luxurious, meaning extra large for the size of the classes. There was even talk of resizing the rooms and making new rooms out of the space saved.

As I have said in past posts the School Board could do far better with an Efficiency Expert to better utilize the space available.

They would fair far better than with a contractor that wants to land a multi-million dollar contract!

Also before any Bond Issue is approved, it is my opinion that the voters and taxpayers should require the School Board to request a Kansas State Audit of our School District and the School Board should comply unless they have something to hide or are afraid the State would tell them they
don't need a Taj Mahal!

Simple get the State to back them and it would almost be a done deal.

Quote from: Mom70x7 on November 30, 2013, 11:45:37 PM
I'd suggest that you do away the teachers lounge and have the teachers out with the children that are entrusted in the care of the school and as they would have the opportunity to observe for bullying.
That lounge could be made into a class room.


What's with the attack on the teacher's lounge?

Where do you get an attack out of a comment, a suggestion ?
In my opinion calling it an attack is simply a way of bullying.

Do you feel attacked?

That in my opinion is just some kind of liberal radical thinking!

You want security for the children right?
Put the teachers right out there with the children that are entrusted to the care of the school !

Makes sense, it would reduce bullying a whole lot, wouldn't it?

After all you wouldn't pay a baby sitter and entrust your grand child to such a person that ran off to a lounge and did not keep an eye on their charge would you ?

Who is responsible during school hours?

Now, if asking the questions are an attack, you need help?

It appears to me this is an Elk Konnected method of saying shut the hell up.

Is Elk Konnected behind this big push?

They were behind the push for the previous decisions, weren't they?

LOL  OPM is what this is all about isn't? To make Howard something it will never be, right? 

It durn sure isn't about necessity! It's about building a Taj Mahal!

it's about building a new grade school, only building in pieces and attaching it to the high school, plain and simple. If this is not true why keep starting new threads to discuss this situation?

If you just want to be liberal and waste further taxpayers dollars as has been done over the last few years, contiue down this path. If not wanting to be wasteful continue reading, please!

If you really need a grade school please focus on the following:

 

Way to go, Mom.  Tell us and tell us like it is.  Most of the citizens, including the parents have no idea of the conditions under which our teachers are expected to teach.

Quote from: Wilma on December 01, 2013, 07:55:10 AM
Way to go, Mom.  Tell us and tell us like it is.  Most of the citizens, including the parents have no idea of the conditions under which our teachers are expected to teach.

Who created the conditions?

Who shut down the grade schools out of foolishness?

Does it require a Taj Mahal for the teachers to teach or a classroom  ?

There will always be people crying about their working conditions, won't there?

Have the teachers or the School Board provided a Blue Ribbon School?

Is the teaching only going to remain at the lowly standards that the state claims they ar at?

But remember the goals of added rooms and gymnasium can be accomplished via:

 

Ross, why don't you do a study on what it would take to re-open the Moline Grade School and if it could accommodate the present school population and activities?  And while you are doing that, find out if any of the teachers want to go back to the old grade school.  Have you thought about needing another kitchen and kitchen staff, maintenance staff?  Is the gymnasium up to state standards?  For that matter, is the school building up to state standards?  There are a lot of things that you could be doing instead of trying to get people to think the way you think about things.

Quote from: Wilma on December 01, 2013, 12:18:20 PM
Ross, why don't you do a study on what it would take to re-open the Moline Grade School and if it could accommodate the present school population and activities?

It is a grade school designed to accommodate K-12 isn't it?
Children were attending there just two years ago, weren't there?
Has the school board done a study?

How about, if the School Board does the reasonable thing, and ask for a state audit? The audit is actually a study to determine what is best for the School District! Simple isn't !

I'll tell you why they won't, they know the state would tell them what they want is not a necessity and a waste of taxpayer dollars. That's why!

It would be much more productive and positive for the School District than a contractor trying to sell the School Board a multi-million dollar contract now wouldn't it? Remember the positive thing you followers are always spouting?

Do you want what is best for the School District or what Howard thinks is best for them?
Which by the way is built on false hopes of a stronger economy for Howard based on a larger shcool ?
What foolish thinking that is! Build it and they will come, LOL.

Quote from: Wilma on December 01, 2013, 12:18:20 PM
And while you are doing that, find out if any of the teachers want to go back to the old grade school.

But really, it is more about spending money to build a Taj Mahal, isn't it?

But really, it is more about spending money to build a Taj Mahal, isn't it?

Oops I stutered didn't I?

I would simply tell the employees, if they wanted to keep their jobs and their benefits to work at the Moline Grade School. What choice do you think they would make? Simple isn't it. If they chose to quit, good, our children deserve better than hostage takers. There would be no unemployment checks would there? And they can easily be replaced like in any other industry. There are plenty of unemployed teachers across the country from closed schools.

Since when do Employees control the business?

Quote from: Wilma on December 01, 2013, 12:18:20 PM
Have you thought about needing another kitchen and kitchen staff, maintenance staff?  Is the gymnasium up to state standards?  For that matter, is the school building up to state standards?

Did they have another kitchen and kitchen staff before? Huh, uh!

When did the school building fall below state standards?
And just like a new building it needs maintenance and cleaning.

The high school I attended was built in the early 1900's and is still standing and serving students today.
So age is not a factor, maintenance is and apparently not going well enough by your percieved perception. as I understand you.

Re-opening the Moline Grade School would simply save millions of dollars to re-open it.
Or has the new wore off your of your crystal chandelier?

Do you have a problem with saving taxpayers money, or is your mind set the same as the Federal Government? The Federal Government has the Federal Reserve that can make money out of nothing and are doing it at 95 billion dollars a month. Do you have access to that privilege?

Quote from: Wilma link=topic=15731.msg215348#msg215348 date=1385921900
There are a lot of things that you could be doing instead of trying to get people to think the way you think about things.
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Ditto lady, the same goes for you, pushing for a building that is not needed with phony information to build a How-weird Taj Mahal for all the wrong reasons.

But really why are you working so feverishly to get people to think spend, spend, spend ?
The same reason I am right, only I say be frugal, be smart, save millions ?

BE SMART, BE SENSIBLE,   BE FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.

BE SMART, BE SENSIBLE,   BE FRUGAL  

Hold your resolve and continue to say "NO" in April to a Bond Issue and they will be fighting their battle against you the Taxpayer, you the Enemy of the elite next November! They said they would regroup and do it again in November !

Don't let them laugh at you ---- Vote in April and again in November.

Oh, isn't it time to start yet another thread? Just a reminder!

Before, I go here are another reasons to be frugal. Anothe banking crisis may be upon our nation. Just saying !

New Wave of US Mortgage Trouble Threatens Banks

                             http://www.moneynews.com/Personal-Finance/mortgage-bank-trouble-home-equity/2013/11/26/id/538676?ns_mail_uid=7144240&ns_mail_job=1547731_12012013&promo_code=15BEE-1

Check out what a really high edumacation, I mean really high edumacation.
Like a high falutin Doctor! A top-scientist !
Wow! I'm impressed!

How about you?

Go to: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/30/top-scientist-humans-emerged-after-chimpanzee-had-sex-with-pig/

Well everyone don't forget it's time to run out and buy new air conditioners !

It doesn't matter if they are still working, the contractor says replace all of them at West Elk !

The contractor says do it. How else is he gonna make a living if he can't sell you all new ones?

Spend, Spend, Spend after all it just money and on top of that other peoples money, right?

Tax, Tax, Tax until it hurts so much it begins to feel good!

Do I get an Amen on that!

 

Amen!

Ross, there's a lot of 'em who have been educated and indoctrinated in the local government schools.  They want your money - they want you to pay 'your' share of the ongoing socialist system so they can promote free education, government control and whatever else they dream. 

What's the difference between Obamacare and government free education?  Not much.

After dark, just look at the red lights on the west side of Elk County.  Just another reminder that the socialists have a huge presence and they want to control you and your money for the community - their socialist cause. 

Stay on 'em.

Yes, I know, I quoted myself from: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg215385.html#msg215385

Why because these progressive liberals keep starting new thread about this subject, i'll leave it up to you to decide why they do that. Okay, OK!

Quote from: ROSS on December 02, 2013, 07:54:26 AM
This is what real leadership in a School Board should be concentrating on, instead of building a Grade School that is not needed. Concentrate on education and the misuse of it. This is effectively re-writing history or flat out omitting true history. Is this what we want for our children, is this what the School Board wants for our children, a lack of a full education?

It appears the Federal Government wants less then a full education for the Kids, Doesn't it?
Is this related to the critical thinking of which the School Board has made numerous remarks about, that they want to teach at West Elk?

Well is it?

Is it Possible To Teach Students The Meaning Behind President Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address Without Mentioning The Civil War?

Common Core Instructs Students to Learn About Gettysburg Address Without Mentioning Civil War

According to the government's new Common Core education standards, the Gettysburg Address must be taught without mentioning the Civil War and explaining why President Lincoln was in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.

The Student Achievement Partners instructions tell teachers to, "Refrain from giving background context or substantial instructional guidance at the outset...This close reading approach forces students to rely exclusively on the text...and levels the playing field for all students as the seek to comprehend Lincoln's address."

(See a Video at:)  
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/12/01/common-core-instructs-students-learn-about-gettysburg-address-without-mentioning-civil

While the School Board is busy teaching Critical Thinking how about throwing in a little Frugality the quality of being economical with money; thriftiness.

Add to that a little bit of education in Constraint, by an act of employing some Constraint. EG,  by Practicing some Constraint now.

After all, if the School Board can not practice it how can they hope to have it taught?

 

Be smart, be sensible,   be frugal, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.

Be Smart,     Be Sensible,     Be Frugal  

Quote from: Wilma on November 30, 2013, 09:28:57 PM
Ross, shut up.

Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2013, 07:09:06 AM
Awesome, Wilma you said it all.

And the National Socialist Party 1st Amendment defenders show their true colors.... again.

On the other side of that issue:  Ross, keep expressing your political dissent.  Were it not for folks like you, we would have been standing in Soviet style bread lines or sleeping in German style concentration camps long ago.

Now, regardless of the 'how big should our classrooms be' issue, does any of that address the need for expanded, expensive recreational area construction?

Quote from: Wilma on November 30, 2013, 09:28:57 PM
Ross, shut up.

Such a sweet love note!
Thank you for the encouragement Wilma.

ROFLMAO

Are you caving to the pressure of the truth.
That truth being, what you want in a Taj Mahal is not a necessity for our tiny Kommunity !

You wouldn't go along with a State Audit or the West Elk School District to determine what the District really needs would you? Of course tell them about the Moline Grade School and the possiblity of re-acquiring it.

No, I don't think so, because it would make sense to do that.

Do you believe in being Smart, Frugal and Sensible?

If not tell me to shut up again, I promise not to be upset with you, just like I'm not upset with you now. You are entitled to say whatever you desire, it says so in the Constitution. The same goes for your opinion.

Our teachers' rooms...we don't call them "lounges," because nobody has time to lounge there...   have all that plus phones, so teachers can make private calls to parents, or use their own cell phones for same. Teachers not on lunch duty can also eat there and/or meet with other teachers on their team. No, teachers don't need to be glued to the kids at all times!
Ross, you keep breaking "Di's Law". You simply don't know that you don't know!

One of our problems here in calculating student/teacher ratio is including teachers who do not have permanent classrooms,(home rooms) such has the librarian, music teacher,gym teacher and art teacher... makes the division by a larger number and makes the class sizes seem smaller.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 03, 2013, 11:22:38 AM
Our teachers' rooms...we don't call them "lounges," because nobody has time to lounge there...   have all that plus phones, so teachers can make private calls to parents, or use their own cell phones for same. Teachers not on lunch duty can also eat there and/or meet with other teachers on their team. No, teachers don't need to be glued to the kids at all times!
  You simply don't know that you don't know!

The figment of my imagination has returned with information may be of interest to folks in Delaware and her expert opinion that children at school apparently don't require supervision outside of the classroom. How interesting.

Who cares what you call the teachers lounge in Delaware. Seriously a lounge by any other name is still a lounge, just as a rose by any other name is still a rose. Apples and Oranges are different just as Delaware and Kansas are different. Now ending kindergarten class. Sarcasm is intended, thank you for noticing.

Perhaps if they knew someone was paying attention there might be less bullying incidents on school property. But, I suppose that Delaware thinks opposite of my thinking. That's okay for Delaware which just hundreds and  hundreds of miles from West Elk School district.

And here the figment of my imagination is saying, "Ross, you keep breaking "Di's Law"." And not a thing about Wilma saying "Ross, shut up.", go figure! This figment thinks she knows the laws and i hate to break it to her but there are no laws here, there are rules! But as a hall monitor who is self appointed applys rules only as she see's fit and not equally across the board. Fer shame, but I forgive her, her errors and will not give the teacher an "F" for failure as a self appointed hall monitor.

Do you reckon there might be a Konnection between my figment and Wilma?
You know a Konnection?

I even request she give me more of the effects of the ill gotten power. Thank you figment!

LOL

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 03, 2013, 11:27:50 AM
One of our problems here in calculating student/teacher ratio is including teachers who do not have permanent classrooms,(home rooms) such has the librarian, music teacher,gym teacher and art teacher... makes the division by a larger number and makes the class sizes seem smaller.

Not applicable here, again perhaps in Delaware.

 You know we have a Liberal Democrat President that is or was a visionary, a community organizer and now he is using those supposed skills in the Oval Office and where is it getting us?

How about a nearly bankrupt country with a lowered international credit rating, disrespect by other nations for the office of our President and ObamaCare.

And where is ObamaCare getting us? With millions of people losing their medical insurance.  How's that for good news for a visionary liberal?

Oh and doctors are retiring early and others are quitting and some doctors refusing to accept the lower pay of accepting medicare patients.

And have you heard the latest about hospital billings? Oh my god, $500 per stitch. Good job Obama the Visionary. But I bet your vision didn't foresee that when you decided to become a Health Insurance Salesman.

The school board does not want to hear your opinion or your true input. Or they would have allowed space on their survey for comments, or they would have allowed more than a half an hour for a Kommunity Meeting. And at their School Board Meeting they would not have acted so skittish about who would be on the stage. It was like pulling teeth as to who would be on the stage.

Do we need Visionary's in Elk County that are blinded by greed or self importance?

If you think not, spread the word and get as many people as you can to register to vote!



I forgot to show the $500 dollars a stitch info so here it is"

'NYT' takes an extensive look at hospital billing
By Evann Gastaldo,  Newser Staff
Posted Dec 3, 2013 1:57 PM CST

Hospital billing is notoriously complicated—and treatment at a US hospital is notoriously expensive. The New York Times highlights those issues in an extensive piece today, and uses stitches and similar treatments as an example of both points: One patient at a California hospital was billed $2,229.11 to get three stitches; another patient at the same hospital was charged $1,696 to have a gash sealed with skin glue. At a New York City hospital, a patient was billed $3,355.96 for five stitches; in Jacksonville, $2,000 for three stitches; in Michigan, $3,000 for six stitches.

http://www.newser.com/story/178559/why-hospitals-can-charge-500-per-stitch.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_top

What does that have to do with the subject of this thread?  Get with it or get out.

I've been in that school, and I've seen how it's set up. Hubby used to teach there. It's something to think about. I know we don't live in a huge city, but crazy is everywhere!! For example, school shootings don't just happen in big towns. Heaven forbid ANYTHING like that happens here!!
Lisa

Quote from: Wilma on November 30, 2013, 07:22:22 PM
We need more with first hand knowledge of the conditions to "just say".

Quote from: farmgal67357 on December 03, 2013, 07:38:51 PM
I've been in that school, and I've seen how it's set up. Hubby used to teach there. It's something to think about. I know we don't live in a huge city, but crazy is everywhere!! For example, school shootings don't just happen in big towns. Heaven forbid ANYTHING like that happens here!!
Lisa

I must ask what small rural community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city has had a shooting?

Please provide an internet link.

Thank you.

Quote from: Wilma on December 03, 2013, 06:48:14 PM
Get with it or get out.

Bitter?

Just tired of the ranting.

I understand Wilma, 4 people have ruined the Forum. It is nothing like it used to be. The only reason I even it read it is because I was able to block 4 people .

Quote from: frawin on December 03, 2013, 09:22:36 PM
I understand Wilma, 4 people have ruined the Forum. It is nothing like it used to be. The only reason I even it read it is because I was able to block 4 people .

Good job frawin!

Who were them people?
Did you ask the the owners of the forum to throw them off the forum?
What did the owners have to say about your accusations?
The nerve of some people, huh?

Don't forget to vote "NO" okay?

Quote from: Wilma on December 03, 2013, 09:06:59 PM
Just tired of the ranting.

Time to take a break dear.

In the mean time don't forget to vote "NO", okay.

Quote from: farmgal67357 on December 03, 2013, 07:38:51 PM
I've been in that school, and I've seen how it's set up. Hubby used to teach there. It's something to think about. I know we don't live in a huge city, but crazy is everywhere!! For example, school shootings don't just happen in big towns. Heaven forbid ANYTHING like that happens here!!
Lisa

Quote from: ROSS on December 03, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
I must ask what small rural community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city has had a shooting?

Please provide an internet link.

Thank you.

I'm anxious to see that link showing a small community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city that has had a school shooting?

Please?

Perhaps your husband could be employed again with West Elk School District if they were to reopen the Moline Grade School! Wouldn't that be nice?

I also have certain people blocked!
Lisa

Quote from: frawin on December 03, 2013, 09:22:36 PM
I understand Wilma, 4 people have ruined the Forum. It is nothing like it used to be. The only reason I even it read it is because I was able to block 4 people .

Ross, I will always vote "yes" on anything that will improve our school system and make it easier for the children and teachers.  Even if it costs me as much or more as an extra hundred dollars on my taxes.  I can always save that much by cutting out a couple of trips to the big city a year.  It would be even easier for smokers.  Just give up something that is costing you more per year than your school taxes.

      I'm interested to know what you want to make easier for the students and teachers, Wilma. From what I have seen, that is one of the problems with the school systems today, passing kids who haven't learned the basics. Readin, Writin and Rithmatics.

     I have said before, if the population is going down, why is there a need to expand? To do away with the portables? I can see the need for another gym, but not a pile of upgrades to what is working.( If it isn't working then how are they holding classes) We don't have the money to build just to keep up with the Jones's. Many of us here are just getting by and making a fraction of what those in the school system make.

     Overcome, adapt, persevere.

      In addition, I could give a rat's patoot who blocks who. BFD. Those people are putting their heads in the sand.

Quote from: Wilma on December 04, 2013, 08:14:34 AM
Ross, I will always vote "yes" on anything that will improve our school system and make it easier for the children and teachers.  Even if it costs me as much or more as an extra hundred dollars on my taxes.  I can always save that much by cutting out a couple of trips to the big city a year.  It would be even easier for smokers.  Just give up something that is costing you more per year than your school taxes.

It is not to improve the school system.
It is to build a building.
A building that is not needed.

If you want to improve the school system which function is to educate all the children improve the educational standards.

People are being feed the wrong information and seem to be un-able to decipher the difference, in my opinion.

Building a Taj Mahal for Howard and creating massive debt for someone's ego is not improving the educational system.

Building a massive sports field is not improving the educational standards either.

If this kind of thinking and taxes continues, the populations of Elk County will most like continue to decline, possibly at a faster rate than at the present rate. This is just the opposite effect of what some people are hoping for.  There would mean fewer and fewer people shopping in Howard e grocery store, at the drug store, at the hardware store and other merchants businesses.

I suppose, if you painted the building with 24 karate gold paint that to would be improving the school system, right?

That's what I am reading here on these threads.
Spend, spend, spend!
Build, build, build!

When, do you pay attention to the educating the kids in the basics.
That is the most important part of a school system, not un-needed construction.
The basics -- reading, writing, and arithmetic.

IF and when they build the new building they will have to increase property taxes even more to maintain the building, yes even new buildings require maintenance and an increase in maintenance personal will most likely be required.

Then there is an increased electric bill to pay for lighting, heating and cooling the build --- raise the property taxes some more. It will be never ending tax increases. That is what you will be voting for, not an improvement in education.

We have a school designed for 600 children and only 340 enrolled, we just spent $500,000 to install portable buildings they want to dispose of, we have a whole bunch of working Air Conditioners sitting on the roof they to expose of. Wilma will you replace your perfectly running Air Conditioner, just because it has a few years on it? Of course not, that would be just plain stupid, wouldn't it? And I happen to believe you are bound to be much more frugal, smart and sensible than that.

You can bet all this was planned by some EGO several years ago. Most likely before the grade schools were closed down. That is my opinion and I stand by it.

There are alternatives to spending Millions and Millions of taxpayer dollars and creating
massive debt. Detroit just filed bankruptcy and so have other cities because of Liberal thinking and spending their way into massive debt. I call this stinking thinking!

I do appreciate conversing with you Wilma, opposing opinions are a good thing. Our School Board could learn from such actions, and learn that is part of critical thinking. Critical Thinking is something the School Board has discussed having taught in the class room. I hope you have a great day, Wilma.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 04, 2013, 10:44:23 AM
      In addition, I could give a rat's patoot who blocks who. BFD. Those people are putting their heads in the sand.

Bullwinkle they can block if they want, but they still read what they block. 

I just spoke to a person this morning that has blocked a few people but can't resist reading what they post.

Why? Human curiosity, natural human tendencies because they are afraid someone will make a good point, or worse yet say something bad about them. Also, if they want to post to the thread they need to know everything that is posted so as not to make fools of themselves.  Extremely simple!

So, I'd only suggest they block everyone, because it means absolutely nothing.

It is a terrific way of having an excuse not to answer a question! However, if that excuse is used it only means there is no answer and therefore nullifies the statement in question. Just Common Sense!

Allow me to quote a couple of posts please!

Quote from: farmgal67357 on December 03, 2013, 07:38:51 PM
I've been in that school, and I've seen how it's set up. Hubby used to teach there. It's something to think about. I know we don't live in a huge city, but crazy is everywhere!! For example, school shootings don't just happen in big towns. Heaven forbid ANYTHING like that happens here!!
Lisa

Quote from: ROSS on December 03, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
I must ask what small rural community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city has had a shooting?

Please provide an internet link.

Thank you.

No response, because the statement can not be backed up with anything substantial. There for nullifying the statement. Just yak, yak!

I even asked a second time:

Quote from: ROSS on December 03, 2013, 09:46:50 PM
I'm anxious to see that link showing a small community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city that has had a school shooting?

Please?

Still no response to back up her words. Just yak, yak in my opinion!


ROFLMAO BECAUSE BLOCKING IS FUTILE.

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Here is some more yak yak Bullwinkle!

It's just my opinion but I can say that anyway because I think
he is probably claiming me as one of those people he talks about, that ruin the forum.

But he won't care because I am blocked and he won't be reading this, right? LOL

Quote from: frawin on December 03, 2013, 09:22:36 PM
I understand Wilma, 4 people have ruined the Forum. It is nothing like it used to be. The only reason I even it read it is because I was able to block 4 people .

But attempting to be polite I gave him a kudo, but I guess he didn't read it, because of the blocking thingy. I'm so proud of him I could just pop! But that means he can not intelligibly debate the issue on this thread can he. He can not say anything I post is wrong and why, what a shame. Poor guy!

Anyway I asked him a couple of questions about his remarks and no answer. Which effectively nullifies he point, doesn't it?

Here is a quote of those questions, it such a shame he can't read this and respond, isn't it?

Quote from: ROSS on December 03, 2013, 09:36:19 PM
Good job frawin!

Who were them people?
Did you ask the the owners of the forum to throw them off the forum?
What did the owners have to say about your accusations?
The nerve of some people, huh?

Don't forget to vote "NO" okay?

Be SMART, be SENSIBLE,   be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.

Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE,   Be FRUGAL,   Just say," NO "

Here is some information that might be helpful to School Boards who want to rely on a Taj Mahal to increase educational standards.

Oh, has the School Board recognized the numbers concerning poverty in it area? Don't you think those numbers should tell you something? Approximately half of your students are on free meals for poverty reasons aren't they?  Or is that a lie just to get funds from the state? Just askin'.

I just read this on the internet and thought I'd share it with you: "Sellin' soap's like sellin' hope, you can't sell either one without a little bit of lye."  Rather clever isn't it? But in some cases it might take a a whole lot of Lye, huh?

U.S. Achievement Stalls as Other Nations Make Gains
Published Online: December 3, 2013

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2013/12/03/14pisa.h33.html?tkn=TSUFY8eJwGjORp6VIB2zsB9KBk7fFE8xipyG&cmp=ENL-EU-NEWS1

Published Online: December 2, 2013
Published in Print: December 4, 2013, as Performance Key on Teacher Tests

http://www.edweek.org/newsletter/daily-update/2013/12/02/email/ewupdate.html?cmp=ENL-EU-TOPNAV



I think, I will put this over there on the Elk Konnected Hand Out thread so no one misses this.

Ross, by the way, the numbers I gave you about classrooms and number of students were from Maryland, not Delaware.
Do you ever really listen to what others have to say?..I mean really listen? You seem so full of yourself, you would never hear another good idea if it was presented to you on a gold platter! Have you, yourself, researched what other similiar sized communities with similar problems have done to take care of their particular issues? Smacking me because of where I live does not mean I don't know anything about kids, education in general, and the give and take on solving educationally associated problems. If things were "fixed " what would you have to bellyache about?
Listen to what the kids that go to West Elk have to say. How about asking the teachers who work in the portables how they feel about them? On the one hand you are saying there have been no small town school shootings so the portables are just fine,but on the other hand they are awful things that must be gotten rid of. Can't have those kids exposed to Kansas weather to go into the main building. but you don't want a safe area in a storm shelter either. You also don't acknowledge the costs of re-openimg a moth balled school,  or the transportation cost increases once kids are back to further travel distances.
    I actually think some of the kids here travel further to school than some of yours do. The kids who go to choice schools travel 12,14 or more miles to school, one way.  Plus, you never had to deal with forced desegregation. The kids then were on the busses more than an hour each way. Distance is distance no matter what state it's in.
When are you going to pin down what your real problem is?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM

Ross, by the way, the numbers I gave you about classrooms and number of students were from Maryland, not Delaware.

Who cares, those numbers are as different as apples and oranges. We are Elk County, Kansas in the Center of the US of A and not out on the North Eastern Seaboard or anywhere close to it. Here are the statistics of your Apples and Oranges. Ya just can't compare them as being the same. I have tried real hard to explain this to you! Does this help? Do you comprehend the difference or do you need more edumaction teacher?

Talbot County, Maryland
Population       5.885 million (2012)
Persons per square mile, 2010    594.8   
Population, 2012 estimate    38,098
Median household income, 2007-2011    $63,399   
Median value of owner-occupied housing units, 2007-2011    $352,200   $319,800


Elk County, Kansas, Population                  81,758.72 Square miles
2.886 million (2012)           
Persons per square mile, 2010    34.9   
Population, 2012 estimate    2,720
Median household income, 2007-2011    $34,246   
Median value of owner-occupied housing units, 2007-2011    $53,200   

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
Do you ever really listen to what others have to say?..I mean really listen? You seem so full of yourself, you would never hear another good idea if it was presented to you on a gold platter! Have you, yourself, researched what other similiar sized communities with similar problems have done to take care of their particular issues? Smacking me because of where I live does not mean I don't know anything about kids, education in general, and the give and take on solving educationally associated problems.

You too my dear are so full of yourself, Elk Konnected, belonging to organizations that tell you how to think and the denial of facts that we are not on the North Easter Seaboard.

I am not smacking you because of where you live. I am not smacking you at all. But you are still very thoroughly confused about the difference between Elk County financial and population in comparison to the heavily populated states and their finances on the North Eastern Seaboard. Why don't you apply all those skills you brag about in your own community or state? I'm sure they have plenty of problems you could help them solve. You could even attend their School Board Meetings like i do here!

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM

If things were "fixed " what would you have to bellyache about?

If they were "fixed" you would have nowhere to be able to compare your Apples and Oranges, would you?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM

Listen to what the kids that go to West Elk have to say. How about asking the teachers who work in the portables how they feel about them? On the one hand you are saying there have been no small town school shootings so the portables are just fine,but on the other hand they are awful things that must be gotten rid of. Can't have those kids exposed to Kansas weather to go into the main building. but you don't want a safe area in a storm shelter either.

You sure are getting better at twisting words , just like a good politician or someone from some organization. Keep practicing, practice makes perfect. But, okay. back on subject okay.

Are the teachers going to pay for the classroom they are hired to work in?
If the teacher is a resident of the School District she has just as much say as I do, or any other voter does, but no more say, than the rest of us --- when she/he cast their ballot. Don't you understand that is how the system works ?

I never have never said there has never been a small town school shooting, I asked (now you pay attention please!). I asked for a link to a small town school shooting, in a town 60 to 80 miles from the nearest Metropolitan Area. Can you provide that information? I really doubt it! And it had nothing what so ever to do with the portable buildings

That statement about the storm protection is just so much bull. If you recall it was the foolishness of the School Board that put the children in portable buildings that cost $500,000 and the same School Board that foolish in my opinion that wants to foolishly put the School District millions of dollars in debt to build a Taj Mahal for How-weird! By the way thanks for sharing that How -- weird thing. I never knew that before you told me. Back to the storm shelter thing apparently there is plenty of warning time and the portable buildings are practically attached to the building and have covered walkways. And apparently the School Board was comfortable with that when they spent $500,000 to install them.

In case you didn't know the school had a serious discussion about hiring their own police officer and apparently decided it was not necessary.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM

You also don't acknowledge the costs of re-openimg a moth balled school,  or the transportation cost increases once kids are back to further travel distances.

Oh but I have, I believe you should back up to your question to me. Let me quote you:

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM

Do you ever really listen to what others have to say?..I mean really listen?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
    I actually think some of the kids here travel further to school than some of yours do. The kids who go to choice schools travel 12,14 or more miles to school, one way.  Plus, you never had to deal with forced desegregation. The kids then were on the busses more than an hour each way. Distance is distance no matter what state it's in.

Again,  Apples and Oranges! You have far more highways for one and there are many, many more factors involved than simply mileage. So get over yourself.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
When are you going to pin down what your real problem is?

I could pin my problem down to it being you, but I won't. Because, I enjoy your maladjusted communications. Keep 'em coming. You forgot to spell check your post teacher. I thought, I'd remind you, because you remind everyone else and I thought you would appreciate it in return.
Here is sincerely wishing you a Very Merry Christmas.

Do you by any chance follow national news?
Have you read what Mr. Greenspan has to say about today's Economy?
He is far more intelligent than you and I put together, don't you agree?
Here is the headline for you! This should stand as the loudest warning about creating millions of dollars of debt for the taxpayer.

Greenspan: Economic 'Uncertainty' Greatest I Have Known

Detroit and numerous other and communities have filed bankruptcy because of debt they could not pay. Are we to follow suit? Yes this is Apples and Oranges. But we are know as a poor county not a rich one.

So keep in mind there are other alternatives besides going Millions of Dollars in Debt, and my suggestions should not be the only one !


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By the way, I agree you don't need a resource officer at your schools out there. by the way, lower Delaware is very rural and has small schools.  There are entire districts that have fewer kids  than we do up here in one school where the population is. you just don't understand...We are a very small state with most of the population here near me. Once you cross into Kent county, the population disappears and it's little ittybitty towns, chicken and truck and grain farms. There only one major highway, rt 13.  The rest are basically farm- market roads. We are not huge nor solidly suburbs and cities. There are only three in the whole state, Dover, Wilmington, and Newark. The state population has just under 900,00.  Kansas has 28,88 905.
Frankly, I always thought the lack of population was one of the endearing things about Elk County. I guess not...You sure do want to change it! Or stick the kids there in Quonset huts with slate boards. Oh never mind,that's what you think the portables already are. Did you ever find out what the teachers think of them, like I asked? I liked the one I was in for several years...had air conditioning! ;)

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
Frankly, I always thought the lack of population was one of the endearing things about Elk County.

Delaware is still Delaware
                And
Maryland is still Maryland
                 And
    Kansas is still Kansas

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
Frankly, I always thought the lack of population was one of the endearing things about Elk County.

My exact sentiment!
I had enough of the crowded city life and chose to retire here.
We do not have the population to support a Taj Mahal.
I have already heard rumors of people planning to move out of the county if a multi-million dollar School Bond Debt is passed.
We have already seen numerous properties and houses abandoned and sold for recovery of some of the back property taxes. I can just see more of this happening further reducing the population. Reducing the number of children attending, an all ready oversized school building. Which would require increasing the school property taxes even more, which would most likely create a cycle of further reduction in population?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
I guess not...You sure do want to change it! Or stick the kids there in Quonset huts with slate boards. Oh never mind, that's what you think the portables already are.

You are not paying attention, Diane! It is not me who wants to change things.
I believe if you read through this thread, I do believe you will find it is Elk Konnected who is dissatisfied with Elk County.

And I believe Elk Konnected has gained full control of our School Board just like they did with the County Commissioners Board until we voted one of them off the board. I believe we have 5 out of 6 School Board Members that are Elk Konnected in one way or another giving Elk Konnected the controlling votes on the School Board. I have asked several times on this forum and no response which is also no denial of belonging to Elk Konnected, in my personal opinion.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
Did you ever find out what the teachers think of them, like I asked? I liked the one I was in for several years...had air conditioning! ;)

Who do you think wants to get rid of the $500,000 portables we have only got two years use out of, the administration and the teachers and those people that perhaps live in Howard that consider them to be eye sores.

I do believe Howard, who tries very hard to claim West Elk as if it were city property, thought the portables were a stop gap until a new grade school was built under a 5.5 million dollar bond issue. As the school superintendent expressed at a recent School Board Meeting, Howard approved that bond issue. I have pointed out on this forum that Howard can not approve a School Bond Issue, it takes a majority vote from all of the Voters in the School District. Stating that Howard approved the Bond Issue is just plain foolishness.

A Taj Mahal of a School Building will do nothing for nobody or any community except to create higher property and the momentum to raise the school property taxes 3 mil every year there after to pay for greater electric bills, greater water bills, greater maintenance bills.

The School Board said they could not afford to keep the grade schools open even though the Moline Grade School was upgraded in 2004 to the tune of Millions of dollars.
The main excuse for shutting down the Moline, and I heard this with my own ears, was because it would not be fair to Severy to bus their children to Moline. In my heart what I thought I was sincerely hearing was, we don't want to bus Howard down to Moline. Because, if fairness had anything to do with this whole situation, both the Severy and Moline Schools would still be open. Just my opinion and I don't ask any one to accept it as their own opinion. But it is some thought and toss it around and throw it out.

If  this proposed idea makes it to a Bond Issue and passes I expect to see an exodus from Elk County to area's with less taxes. If it doesn't pass in April, which is what the School Superintendent told the School Board they will have time to re-invent or change their plans and come back at the voters again in November? Is this what these people are elected to the School Board for? To behave like rebellious teenagers ad not accept "NO" for an answer. Is it they don't care what the voters tell them and will just continue wasting  money intended for education on contractor/salesmen.

"SHUT UP"  all you naysayer voters, is what I am hearing from the actions of the School Board. Actions speak louder than words and the action of wasting money is loud and clear. Even if there are alternatives to massive debt and massive interest.

Ross, obviously Howard doesn't care what you think. Howard is not a person, it is a place. Since the problems apparently go back to when West Elk was new, several generations of school board, city and county council members have taken their turns trying to solve the problems many small towns everywhere face.You make it sound like you think they are all stupid or crooks working for some builder who gives them kick backs. I don't believe it.
Even the efforts to have the little towns work together for the betterment of all was assassinated. So beat the clock. Before you all have a total loss of viable population, close all the Elk County schools and ship the kids off to boarding school somewhere. Problem solved. You say their education is crappy anyway, so no loss.
The way you that  you look at things, your questions have no answers. I doubt the state would reopen Moline anyway. I rather think it's more than just a local issue. You don't have the answers, attack any suggestions from anyone else, will probably move away soon because of the high taxes. After all, he doesn't want a poor yucky poo Kansas education for his son. Be like the rest and go (where?)....or so states Ross and his unsubstantiated rumors. 
Ok folks, sign up for Ross's wagon train to the promised land. A free bottle of snake oil with signature. What a pessimistic personality. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Now, instead of tossing it back on me ,come up with some real answers with real substantiation and provable facts, not speculation and rumor. Or leave the sinking ship and go to some tropic island. 8) ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM
Ross, obviously Howard doesn't care what you think. Howard is not a person, it is a place. Since the problems apparently go back to when West Elk was new, several generations of school board, city and county council members have taken their turns trying to solve the problems many small towns everywhere face.

You are exactly right How-Weird as you told me it is known as, apparently doesn't care about anything other than them selves. As demonstrated at the school board two nights ago. The School Principal was reporting to the School Board when the Howard residential, Elk Konnected member or booster, President of the Howard Chamber of Commerce and School Board Member asked, why the school was scheduling things that conflict with the Howard Chamber of Commerce.

Sure anyone can spout off about problems, but can you say exactly what the problem is. Speaking generically is a failure to comprehend and communicate in my opinion.

Besides the present problem of rejecting a "NO" on a School Bond Issue is now, not back when West Elk was built. Redesigning a Grade School as extensions to the present building is just a ruse. The thing they really want is a new gymnasium, because it is all about sports and not education. Read the other thread, where I discuss all the sports at the School Board Meeting. And notice nary a thing was said about improving educational standards. So just keep beating a dead horse Diane even though it is a waste of time.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM

You make it sound like you think they are all stupid or crooks working for some builder who gives them kick backs. I don't believe it.

You say that,based on your lack of ability to comprehend what you read.
Or is it a foolish attempt to just make me look bad. Again, just another failure on your part.
But keep trying.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM

Even the efforts to have the little towns work together for the betterment of all was assassinated.

Now that is shameful of you! Attempting to perpetrate such a lie is horrendous, in my opinion.

We all know you are speaking of the tiny little NGO know as Elk Konnected and that you are Konnected. I also believe most people consider it a Howard organization because it sports a Howard address.

Just how do you get the little towns to work together? Do you accomplish by dissing two of those communities in your organizations very first public letter announcing why you are starting your organization ? I don't think so!

But as far as your assignation goes, I believe that they are still very much alive due to the fact they have a web site and a Face Book site.

I also believe that they are a strong standing control of our local School Board by having the majority of the School Board Members as Konnected members as well.
Assissinated ~~~ Preposterous! Diane what are you smoking up there in Delaware?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM

So beat the clock. Before you all have a total loss of viable population, close all the Elk County schools and ship the kids off to boarding school somewhere. Problem solved.

That is another one of your preposterous statements, perhaps that kind of thinking is considered good thinking in Delaware but not here.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM

You say their education is crappy anyway, so no loss.

Nope I never did say that! If you believe, I said that find the statement and post it right here as a quote in the same fashion I quote you, please. Otherwise you my dear might get to be known as a liar.

I do recognize that education standards can be improved, just as our state and federal governments and highly educated people do. But, I guess you fail to comprehend that simple possibility.  Does our School Board address that possibility? "NO"

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM

The way you that  you look at things, your questions have no answers.

And you got your degree where?
Every question has an answer!
Every problem has a solution!
[color=purple]Get real![/color]

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM

I doubt the state would reopen Moline anyway. I rather think it's more than just a local issue. You don't have the answers, attack any suggestions from anyone else, will probably move away soon because of the high taxes.

I suppose like any good Obama person you believe in tax 'em until it hurts and until they have no more money to tax 'em for.
Where is that Konnected   positive attitude?
Where is that Konnected attitude of trying to get communities to work together?
You can have all the doubts you want, way up there in Delaware and that in my opinion that is where they should stay. You have no clue.
And apparently you have no clue what can be accomplished by the people of Elk County without an NGO!

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM

After all, he doesn't want a poor yucky poo Kansas education for his son. Be like the rest and go (where?)....or so states Ross and his unsubstantiated rumors. 

Diane it sounds like you are losing your mind, please seek help. I choose to live here and you choose to be arrogantly ignorant. You sound just like all those hair brained ideas from Elk Konnected on page one of

Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:03:28 PM
Ok folks, sign up for Ross's wagon train to the promised land. A free bottle of snake oil with signature. What a pessimistic personality. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Now, instead of tossing it back on me ,come up with some real answers with real substantiation and provable facts, not speculation and rumor. Or leave the sinking ship and go to some tropic island. 8) ;D ;D ;D

See Diane you don't appear to comprehend much of anything.
I have repeatedly stated I don't have any answers and I am here only to raise questions and seek answers.
I have also repeatedly told people to think for themselves and not to believe anything I post.

Surely if you read those previous two lines several times you may eventually comprehend what is being said through out this and several other threads through out this forum.  Good Luck with your efforts to comprehend.

I suppose they can tell they are being played for all the wrong reasons and can recognize the lies. I suggest you give them credit for having the same abilities.

There is always more than one solution to any problem Diane, remember that, please.

Here is a suggestion:


   

Sorry Ross, trying to insulting me will not ever solve your problems. I not only do comprehent what I read, I  comprehend what's in beteen the lines and know what you are trying to do with your between the lines assumptions, distractions and misleading attempts to slide the reader off subject and take control.We have a female "you" here too. She is you all over. She is very rude and manipulative and has no respect for those in charge or those who won their positions.. The chairs have to be very careful of her, because she tries to take over meetings and direct them to where ever she wants to go. She has to constantly be reminded that her whims are not on the agenda and it's not the public's turn to speak.
Your practice of bringing up things that are years old, as if they just happened, with different people even, is very disappointing and seems to be a failing attempt to keep things stirred up.
Get over it.You are still assuming you know what's on the school board's mind, with no proof....and you won't accept what people present as facts. I truly don't know what you are trying to do. People have heard your position over and over and over.It appears many do not agree, end of issue. Some have tried to explain to you but, you rudely snub them.... your own residents!
Don't bother answering, I'm going back to ignore and won't see it any more than others will who have already been worn out and put you on ignore some time ago. I only read someod you because i wanted to know what Wilma had been talking about. Sadly, I wasn't surprised.

I waited a bit to respond to this, but to answer Ross's question about where school shootings happen....in 2006, the Nickle Mines Amish one room school shooting happened in very rural PA. Six kids were killed and 5 more were severly injured. Don't try to tell me that they don't count. I can give you several more if needed. Cities are four times more likely to have school shootings, but more and more are happening in rural areas as well as the 'burbs. Look it up for yourself.
Even at that, school shooting are rare.They get tons of press and are awful, of course. but "hang outs," rural or otherwise are where violence of all kinds is more common.Now add drugs and alcohol...

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 03:41:18 PM
I waited a bit to respond to this, but to answer Ross's question about where school shootings happen....in 2006, the Nickle Mines Amish one room school shooting happened in very rural PA. Six kids were killed and 5 more were severly injured. Don't try to tell me that they don't count. I can give you several more if needed. Cities are four times more likely to have school shootings, but more an more are happening in rural areas as well as the 'burbs. Look it up for yourself.
Even at that, school shooting are rare.They get tons of press and are awful, of course. but "hang outs," rural or otherwise are where violence of all kinds is more common.Now add drugs and alcohol...

Diane you can find my response to this gibberish along with a response to your post at:

Just click below for an express ride  http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg215724.html#msg215724

And remember:

Gibberish?  Tell that to the families of those rural school kids who died? You sir are beyond hope. I will never converse with you again, period.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:06:02 PM
Gibberish?  Tell that to the families of those rural school kids who diesd? You sir are beyond hope. I will never converse with you again, period

It is Gibberish because it did not answer the question properly!
You would give an "F " to a grade school student for such an answer, teacher.
Read the question until you comprehend it!
You definitely rate an "F" on comprehension teacher.
Aren't you embarrassed? 

Hint:   Try to comprehend the vicinity of the shootings as related to Metropolitan areas?

Here is the question again quoted with its original typographical error:

Quote from: ROSS on December 03, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
I must ask what small rural community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city has had a shooting?

Please provide an internet link.

Thank you.

See the post at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg215724.html#msg215724  and this post also.

And don't forget: