In a recent discussion over the negative comments of West Elk being located close to Howard I learned the following:
1. it is the closest central point between the schools included in the district .
2. it is the only point that could provide ample Sewer and Water supplies, the school is tied to the Howard Sewer and Water system.
3. it is the only point that has a Doctor close.
4. It is the only point that has an Ambulance available.
As far as saying it is Howard West Elk, that term is only to describe where it is located, what do the negative sayers want to refer it to, " it is 70 Miles SE of Wichita or maybe it is 180 miles South of Kansas City".
I think the West Elk School board continues to do a great job. Another point is the Complaint by the negatives about the Superintendent setting with the School board, probably 90 % of the school board meetings are about topics that the Superintendent is involved in and he should be there with the board.
Frank, thank you for saying something that has needed to be said for a long time.
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
In a recent discussion over the negative comments of West Elk being located close to Howard I learned the following:
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
1. it is the closest central point between the schools included in the district.
That has no bearing on where a school is placed, come-on get real. Placement to other school buildings is just plain non-sense. Poppycock!
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
2. it is the only point that could provide ample Sewer and Water supplies, the school is tied to the Howard Sewer and Water system
Sewer and water can be ran anywhere. Ever heard of lagoons?
There was no water or sewer on my property, but there is now. And electricity as well.
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
3. it is the only point that has a Doctor close.
Give me a break, there is medical care right next door to me in Moline.
Do doctors make school calls?
What if the doctor is sick or unavailable?
Yet more poppycock in my opinion!
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
4. It is the only point that has an Ambulance available.
The ambulance is available through out the county, isn't it? It has sirens to get where it is needed, doesn't t? I have even seen it parked in Longton. What if the Ambulance is on a run to Wichita or Bartlesville? What then? Poppycock in my opinion? Unless you have documentation that this was a requirement by some authority. Otherwise it is just opinion, just like my opinion. What if the kids are on a field trip, aboard a school bus, is an ambulance or doctor close at a hand? Oh my gosh.
Please show the documentation.
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
As far as saying it is Howard West Elk, that term is only to describe where it is located, what do the negative sayers want to refer it to, " it is 70 Miles SE of Wichita or maybe it is 180 miles South of Kansas City"
Negative sayers or nay sayers isn't that Elk Konnected dialog? If a person doesn't buy into the B.S. they are nay sayers or negative sayers.
What crap!
I am pretty positive the school board could do a much better job if they learned that the School Superintendent works for them instead of the other way around. If they learned that they could require frequent written reports on improvements in the class rooms on teaching all the children. Perhaps then the superintendent would require improvements on the part of the teachers to bring up the standards and he would be earning his six figure income and benefits. But I assume from what you have wrote that mediocrity is okay.
More poppycock in my opinion.
And I am entitled to my opinion just as you are.
And I call what you wrote, your opinion, because you show no documentation for any of what you have said.
It is not "Howard" West Elk. Try checking the Kansas State Department of Education who has it legally listed as West Elk USD 282. And you might even want to check their web site, it is: http://www.westelk.us/ not Howard West Elk. The location is in the Mailing address. And that does not state it is located in Howard, Kansas because it is not in Howard. Just as our County Commissioner that lives in Elk County but has a Fredonia, Wilson County address, he does not live in Wilson County. I would never have dreamt of a Fredonia mailing address in Elk County, but that is the way the postal system works. I don't live in Moline, but I have a Moline address. And the rest of our school districts are extended into adjacent counties. See how that works. I know I had to learn this myself.
When does Howard move the sport signs the students earned, out by the school and let the kids take pride in the schools accomplishments?
Or are those signs just for promoting Howard.
Just like calling West Elk, Howard West Elk just for promoting Howard?
Isn't it all just political?
Remember when Howard wanted to move its city limits to encompass West Elk?
Wasn't that just for political reasons to promote Howard?
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
I think the West Elk School board continues to do a great job. Another point is the Complaint by the negatives about the Superintendent setting with the School board, probably 90 % of the school board meetings are about topics that the Superintendent is involved in and he should be there with the board.
I am glad you think they are doing a good job. But according to the state the school is only doing average. And the state has said the states educational standards are low and hat is backed up by the Federal Government with their Common-Core program. With standards so low wouldn't you think we could have a Blue Ribbon School?
And as far as the Superintendent sitting on the School Board, it doesn't matter one little bit if Joe Blow School Superintendent in Washington D. C sits on the School Board, he was not elected to do so, and it doesn't make it right. Haven't you ever heard that two wrongs do not make a right?
And just to mention and discuss the School Board is addressing the politics of it, because they are elected, so shouldn't this be in the political section?
I'm sorry; you probably didn't want a response.
But that is what this forum is all about isn't it, communicating.
Quote from: Wilma on October 23, 2013, 10:44:33 AM
Frank, thank you for saying something that has needed to be said for a long time.
Even if it is all wrong and poppycock!
Where is the documentation?
Give us a break, Ross. The present school was built in the early seventies. At that time there was no doctor in Moline, nor was there indication of one moving there.
There was no water system available except for city water. The rural water system didn't exist at that time either.
Howard was the most central point for the district which was comprised of Severy (12 miles to the north), Moline ( 8 miles to the south, Elk Falls ( 10 miles to the southeast) and part of Grenola, which was further than any of the others. What could be more central than that?
How do you think that you who have not been a citizen of Elk County for very long, know better than the people who were on the school board at the time, what was best for the district?
Great response Wilma, thanks.
Quote from: Wilma on October 23, 2013, 08:44:12 PM
Give us a break, Ross. The present school was built in the early seventies. At that time there was no doctor in Moline, nor was there indication of one moving there.
There was no water system available except for city water. The rural water system didn't exist at that time either.
Howard was the most central point for the district which was comprised of Severy (12 miles to the north), Moline ( 8 miles to the south, Elk Falls ( 10 miles to the southeast) and part of Grenola, which was further than any of the others. What could be more central than that?
How do you think that you who have not been a citizen of Elk County for very long, know better than the people who were on the school board at the time, what was best for the district?
That centrally located has nothing to do with anything. But it does remind me of Elk Konnected's suggestion:
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Still it is just history and really has nothing to do with doctors and ambulances, now does it?
I suppose next you will want a hospital built next to the school, right?
Nor does any of that have to do with the name of the school, it is West Elk USD 282, not Howard West Elk.
Nor does it have anything to do with the politics of the School Superintendent sitting on the School Board does it?
The fact that it was brought up that other School Boards may have Superintendents sitting on them does not justify the compromise of the West Elk School Board by our Superintendent doing the same thing, does it?
How do two wrongs make a right? It is all about politics isn't it? Shouldn't this be in the Politics section? I forgot to mention, that I was told that the original plan that was voted on, was to build the school at the rodeo grounds at highway 160 and 99. I was told that by a long time resident that voted on that issue. And we all know water and sewer (ie lagoons can be placed anywhere.
Just what is the School Board accomplishing that shows they are doing a great job?
Inquiring minds would like to know! A great response would be much appreciated.
Thank You for your opinion.
The site by the rodeo grounds was too close to the rock quarry where a lot of blasting was being done. Too bad you didn't live here at the time. You could have seen first hand why the decision to build south of Howard was made. I don't think any of us need to apologize to you for your lack of truthful information. Just a little common sense should serve the purpose.
Quote from: Wilma on October 24, 2013, 01:06:55 PM
The site by the rodeo grounds was too close to the rock quarry where a lot of blasting was being done. Too bad you didn't live here at the time. You could have seen first hand why the decision to build south of Howard was made. I don't think any of us need to apologize to you for your lack of truthful information. Just a little common sense should serve the purpose.
What common sense if there in this thread?
But I noticed you didn't tell me the person lied that the roedeo grounds was the original destination!
Where is all the information about how well the School Board is doing today. What are they accomplishing as fare as improving the educational standards at the school?
When does Howard place the sports signs at the school where they actually belong?
When does to rights make a right?
We seem to be missing what really matters and that is todays
real facts, don't we?
Making excuses relted to the past does absolutly nothing for today or the future.
This discussion is reall going no where is it?
Where is the Blue Ribbon school with the standards so low?
Don't you think with some improvement in leadership and management skills at West Elk could make great strides?
Or is mediocre, good enough?
Heck, they can't even run a decent school board meeting. They don't follow any form of roberts rules of order and it is suppose to be an open meeting where everyone in the room is allowed to know what they are doing and they hand out paper work to the board members and then n one reads the information they are discussing. The board has expressed their concern about citizens understanding technology, yet I don't think they understand how technology could be used at the school board meetings. And the technology is avilable. Isn't it time they moved into the twenty first century?
How stagnet can they remain, before waking up?
This thread was started as a factual thread about why West Elk is located where it is today. Why has it degenerated into another rant about Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Wilma on October 25, 2013, 02:17:07 PM
This thread was started as a factual thread about why West Elk is located where it is today. Why has it degenerated into another rant about Elk Konnected?
What factual?
Let's look at the very first post, okay!
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
In a recent discussion over the negative comments of West Elk being located close to Howard I learned the following:
This right here is a political opinion all by itself. I left out the polite bad mouthing of other peoples opinions.
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
As far as saying it is Howard West Elk, that term is only to describe where it is located, what do the negative sayers want to refer it to, " it is 70 Miles SE of Wichita or maybe it is 180 miles South of Kansas City".
A political statement to assure everyone that it is not a Howard idea , when in fact it is and the reason to promote Howard, Kansas.
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
I think the West Elk School board continues to do a great job. Another point is the Complaint by the negatives about the Superintendent setting with the School board, probably 90 % of the school board meetings are about topics that the Superintendent is involved in and he should be there with the board.
This statement is in support of elected officials and tries to justify the School Superintendent sitting on the School Board even though he was not elected to do so.
Very political from the get-go, wouldn't you say?
Just like when Elk Konnected controlled the County Commissioners Board with two out of three votes.
And now with Elk Konnected members on the School Board, that is why Elk Konnected was brought up. Elk Konnected in my personal opinion is political by their membership being elected to offices.
Politics is politics is politics. Right?
FACT: Anytime you mention elected officials you are entering the realm of politics.
Have a Great Weekend.
I;m not sure what your beef is about west elk built out side of Howard ,I moved here in 1982 ,Severy had no high or jr. high ,Moline must have been a reason the old school needed replaced .CANT BLAME IT ELK CON. OR MISS LIZ SHE WAS ACHILD THEN and the deal about the sign get over it maybe it should be put county line ,wait that wont work 2 high schools in county.Igive up take it down
Ross, why are you pot stirring again? The kids in school will move on and nobody will care who was on the school board this year, or who sat where and when.... or what team won what or where the sign was placed. It's all just a moment in time. You seem to be assigning great value to things that have none what so ever.
Your questions were answered and you refuse to accept them from people who know. Perhaps your aluminum foil hat needs a new battery?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 26, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
Ross, why are you pot stirring again?
Well hi Diane, how ya doing? Fine I hope.
What pot stirring? I simply responded to a political post in the coffee shop that I felt was placed there for all the wrong reasons and lacked any real substance. In fact they could not show one thing that the school board has accomplished that deserved such high praise.
It's like the name calling, calling people negative or nay sayers how ridiculously childish, when they can not back it up with anything.
It's lie the words negative and positive, it is a perception. If you perceive saying that the school board needs to raise the educational standards as negative, I think your perception is askew. A negative can be a very constructive and a positive can be very destructive. Can you comprehend that teacher?
Diane, why are you stirring the pot the wrong direction? I think perhaps because your compass is off. Perhaps you are being misled by being a follower?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 26, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
The kids in school will move on and nobody will care who was on the school board this year, or who sat where and when.... or what team won what or where the sign was placed. It's all just a moment in time. You seem to be assigning great value to things that have none what so ever.
I don't believe you have any values or you would understand that the City of Howard assigned the high value on the signs by placing them at the Howard City limits rather than at the school for the children. The City of Howard also wanted to move their city limits out beyond West Elk, remember that? Do you understand why? But for some reason backed out of doing it didn't they?
Haven't we heard from Elk Konnected for the last number of years, it's all for the children? Is that a lie? What about all that QUALITY of LIFE stuff? Is this how you get QUALITY of LIFE, by lacking scruples and saying no one will remember?
It sounds like you are saying screw the kids; we will take whatever we want and do whatever we want with it. But you don't even live here, do you? Perhaps that is the way it is done where you live and the way you think on the east coast, but not everyone else does. I hope you can understand, there are still people with scruples and morals and honesty.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 26, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
Your questions were answered and you refuse to accept them from people who know. Perhaps your aluminum foil hat needs a new battery?
Diane, I don't accept B.S. and never have. Just like your B.S. stirring the pot backwards.
And ya got it wrong my hat is tinfoil which works far better and needs no power source.
Love communicating with you Diane, ya just keep adding fuel to the flames of distrust. Keep up the good work.
Diane Know This, I appreciate you.
Quote from: oldfart on October 26, 2013, 03:16:43 PM
I;m not sure what your beef is about west elk built out side of Howard ,I moved here in 1982 ,Severy had no high or jr. high ,Moline must have been a reason the old school needed replaced .CANT BLAME IT ELK CON. OR MISS LIZ SHE WAS ACHILD THEN and the deal about the sign get over it maybe it should be put county line ,wait that wont work 2 high schools in county.Igive up take it down
I'm sorry oldfart, I think you totally misunderstood me.
I never mentioned why the old school needed replaced or not.
Also Inever blamed the placement on Liz or Elk Konnected.
I'm sorry to disagree with you about the signs, they belog to the childrens school.
Howard only took them to promote themselves and that to me is stooping very, very low.
The children and thier school should reap the glory of the signs, not Howard.
Howard should remain ashamed until they rectify this and place the signs where they rightfuly belong.
That's my opinion and I stand by it.
Good post Frank. Thanks, Nancy
Atta Boy Everyone.
Lol! :D :D :P
Ross, if you don't know what the school standards are, how can you demand harder/better ones? How could you judge? By what measuring stick? Why do you think the parents of the kids out there don't want to spend what it takes to have their kids ready to compete and succeed in the modern world? CCTP
Most people want to invest in their children. Why do you think your county is different? Did you ask to have the school sign changed? Are you the only one for whom it has such importance? Can you prove it's where it is just so Howard can promote the town and insult the school? SEZ who? I'd think the winning would be much more important than the specific sign placement. Do you know people are calling the town "How weird?''
What REAL reason is there for having a hot dog toast tonight? It can't be just for having fun, now can it? There must be some dark political reason, right? Sheesh!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
Ross, if you don't know what the school standards are, how can you demand harder/better ones? How could you judge? By what measuring stick? Why do you think the parents of the kids out there don't want to spend what it takes to have their kids ready to compete and succeed in the modern world? CCTP
Hi Diane, hey I'm wondering two things:
1. Do you have your black tall pointy hat with the big round brim on it on your head?
2. Do you give any thought to what you say or ask?
3. Do people want to invest in their kids education or in unneeded brick and mortar and tin? Give that some thought while stirring your pot. Please!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
Most people want to invest in their children. Why do you think your county is different? Did you ask to have the school sign changed? Are you the only one for whom it has such importance? Can you prove it's where it is just so Howard can promote the town and insult the school? SEZ who?
Diane think!
Why else are the signs in Howard instead of at the school outside of Howard? DUH!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
I'd think the winning would be much more important than the specific sign placement. Do you know people are calling the town "How weird?''
Well Diane stop the whining it might spoil the brew in that pot you are stirring.
Who won the signs, How weird (I never heard that before) or West Elk?
So Where should they be placed?
Think real hard this is a graded test! LOL
Ace it and you get a lollipop.
So you say Howard = How-weird, that is some fun trivia you have shared with the rest of the world from your perch in the State of Delaware. How far are you from Salem? LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
What REAL reason is there for having a hot dog toast tonight? It can't be just for having fun, now can it? There must be some dark political reason, right? Sheesh!
No Diane, no dark political reason, unless you consider economics and economical development and public relations political. But still it would not be dark anything, just simple business strategy that has occurred for years and years around the world. Really economics does involve a lot of politics, doesn't it?
The only thing I can think of that is dark is; and I sure hope you and your broom and pointy hat a big black pot of brew you are stirring have a great and safe and Happy Halloween?
As always it is always great to be engaged by you.
Happy Halloween Diane!TTFN
Um..if Ross is laughing at his own arguable point of view, have the white coat men arrived with the net and the straight jacket yet? My word!
Ross, just because you think the school building is fine as it is, doesn't make it so, now does it? I'd tend to believe the people who work and teach there. As far as the placement of a sports sign at the High School, have the kids complained? the coaches? Could it be that more people would see it in Howard than at the school? You make it sound like there was some sort of conspiracy to rob the kids of their honor...by whom? The local merchants? The Chamber of Commerce? EK? The City Council? The Mayor? Who would be dumb enough to think that someone other than WE the school, won the honor? So put up another sign at the school too! Be a good guy and do it for them.Now please explain to me how Howard in any way benefits from having the sign in town?
There are so few of you out there it just amazes me how you can find so much to complain about.
Of course instead of answering my questions,in a direct manner, I get your third grade offering about my witches hat..and kettle....great distraction and attempt at diversion. It does show you have nothing good to say about Howard.CCTP
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 03, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
Um..if Ross is laughing at his own arguable point of view, have the white coat men arrived with the net and the straight jacket yet? My word!
Good lord Diane it was Halloween, have you no
sense of humor?
Ha, ha, they are coming to take me away, Ha, ha, they are coming to take me away, ha,ha!You silly goose, Diane!Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 03, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
Ross, just because you think the school building is fine as it is, doesn't make it so, now does it? I'd tend to believe the people who work and teach there.
Where are those people you trust? Where is their input in this conversation? We know they are reading this?
Especially the
Elk Konnected Followers!No, you are right Diane, because I say so doesn't mean anything. But when the School Superintendent says at a Board Meeting that that the school was designed and built to house 600 students and the School Principal says at a School Board meeting that they have a total of 319 students from K-12 enrolled does make it so, doesn't it Diane? And follow up that up with their contractor stating at a School Board Meeting that the class rooms are luxurious adds further meaning to it, doesn't it Diane?
Diane do you remember anything you have read in this thread?
Do you comprehend any of what you read?
Or are you just hung up on your
Elk Konnected Konnections?What a shame!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 03, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
As far as the placement of a sports sign at the High School, have the kids complained? the coaches? Could it be that more people would see it in Howard than at the school? You make it sound like there was some sort of conspiracy to rob the kids of their honor...by whom? The local merchants? The Chamber of Commerce? EK? The City Council? The Mayor? Who would be dumb enough to think that someone other than WE the school, won the honor? So put up another sign at the school too! Be a good guy and do it for them.Now please explain to me how Howard in any way benefits from having the sign in town?
So the fact that Howard wanted to their city limits to encompass the school means nothing, of course they failed to do it.
The fact that Howard calls West Elk --- Howard West Elk means nothing I suppose, even though West Elk is officially listed with the state as the name of the school, Diane do you get it? So why else would the signs be placed at the wrong location, you Diane are supposed to be educated, with a college degree, right? Tell me Diane what exactly do you find copasetic in all this? Where do you find any honesty in all of this coming out of Howard?
Diane do you advocate dishonesty? That is what you are coming across as, a person that advocates dishonesty. And that makes me want to pity you.
Is that why you told us Howard is know as Ho-weird?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 03, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
There are so few of you out there it just amazes me how you can find so much to complain about.
There is only one of you up there in Delaware with their nose in other state, other county business, I ask why? Why are you complaining about people complaining about something that does not concern or affect you in Delaware in any way shape or form.
But really to answer your question, when wrongs are being done, I think people should know and be able to discuss them.
Now consider this, if the same attitude would have happened before all the financial problems happened a few years ago, perhaps it would not have happened.
Perhaps if same attitude would have happened before ObamaCare became law, perhaps it would not be law today.
But as long as your type of attitude exists problems will grow until they are catastrophic.
Besides the School Board has said many times they want citizen involvement.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 03, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
Of course instead of answering my questions,in a direct manner, I get your third grade offering about my witches hat..and kettle....great distraction and attempt at diversion. It does show you have nothing good to say about Howard.CCTP
Good lord Diane it was Halloween, have you no sense of humor?
Do you live in How-weird in Delaware? LOL
Don't you have a life in Delaware? If so, why live through the internet in Kansas?
Oh, I forgot, all your
Konnections with
Elk Konnected and the
Konnected School Board Members, right?
What is
Elk Konnected doing these days Diane?
Are they doing anything at all?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
Ross, if you don't know what the school standards are, how can you demand harder/better ones? How could you judge? By what measuring stick? Why do you think the parents of the kids out there don't want to spend what it takes to have their kids ready to compete and succeed in the modern world?
Diane I attend School Board Meetings at West Elk?
Do you?
Of course not! You live in Delaware?
They announced the grade give to them by the state as average?
But I had pointed out in earlier posts that the state has said Education Standards in Kansas are below the National Standards.
I am certain parents would be pleased to pay for education, but not so sure they would consider building a Taj Mahal improving education.
The primary job of a school board is to improve education in the school district.
How is building a TajMahal going to improve education?
Encouraging more of the teachers would be a means of improving of all of the students wouldn't it?
With class crowed with 11, 12 or 15 students, I guess the teacher can't give individual attention to less performing students, even with the help of para's.
No I guess there is no room for improvement at an average performing school like West Elk, is there Diane?
With the School Superintendent sitting on the School Board it is difficult for the School Board to attain a proper posture of decorum. So it really doesn't matter does it.
The kids education suffer for it, but that's okay, isn't it Delaware Diane?
And you claim to be an Educator?
Wow... what a rude dissertation. Keep in mind, you live in Oz, I don't. I have friends and family in Elk County. The families have been there a very long time. You would recognize the family name.
Of course I'm always going to be interested in what's going on. Nothing you can say will ever change that. It was an event that happened in Howard that upset me and caused me to join the forum in the first place.
So you don't like how some of the meetings are run? Based on what? You have nothing with more meat than that? You think they don't use proper rules so you are saying they are uneducated hicks? My,my.
Of course the school Super is allowed to be there and be invited to sit with the school board....unless there is something in their by-laws that expressly forbids it. In most states the Super is the CEO of the school board and is ''hired" by them to hire and fire teachers and assign them to their jobs, among other things . I can't say for Elk County specifically. Have you ever checked it out? Why do those details bother you so much? You need to look into the "how" and "why" of the school board and the Super to see what their responsibilities really are.
It's a shame that overall, education in Kansas isn't what it should be. BUT... were Elk County Schools listed specifically as below par? To create an average some must be above as well as below average. Perhaps they ARE just average, if so, there is some work to be done. You ducked my questions about that.
The class crowed? Are they roosters? ;D
Why do you think school improvements are so expensive? Check the state building standards for Kansas public schools. That is where your gripe should be. With your declining population you shouldn't be building 75 year schools. BUT... you can still upgrade and get what the kids need for today's world.
We just finished building Newark Charter Jr. Sr. high. As a charter we were not bound by ridiculous state standards. It's a beautiful building that came in at about $85.00 a square foot, none of it from taxes. Yes, I'm very proud of it and how well the kids are doing.. Very high in school evaluations for all categories, even their special ed kids. Do you have anything positive to say about the schools there and the staff and teachers?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2013, 10:21:21 AM
Wow... what a rude dissertation. Keep in mind, you live in Oz, I don't. I have friends and family in Elk County. The families have been there a very long time. You would recognize the family name.
Of course I'm always going to be interested in what's going on. Nothing you can say will ever change that. It was an event that happened in Howard that upset me and caused me to join the forum in the first place.
So you don't like how some of the meetings are run? Based on what? You have nothing with more meat than that? You think they don't use proper rules so you are saying they are uneducated hicks? My,my.
Of course the school Super is allowed to be there and be invited to sit with the school board....unless there is something in their by-laws that expressly forbids it. In most states the Super is the CEO of the school board and is ''hired" by them to hire and fire teachers and assign them to their jobs, among other things . I can't say for Elk County specifically. Have you ever checked it out? Why do those details bother you so much? You need to look into the "how" and "why" of the school board and the Super to see what their responsibilities really are.
It's a shame that overall, education in Kansas isn't what it should be. BUT... were Elk County Schools listed specifically as below par? To create an average some must be above as well as below average. Perhaps they ARE just average, if so, there is some work to be done. You ducked my questions about that.
The class crowed? Are they roosters? ;D
Why do you think school improvements are so expensive? Check the state building standards for Kansas public schools. That is where your gripe should be. With your declining population you shouldn't be building 75 year schools. BUT... you can still upgrade and get what the kids need for today's world.
We just finished building Newark Charter Jr. Sr. high. As a charter we were not bound by ridiculous state standards. It's a beautiful building that came in at about $85.00 a square foot, none of it from taxes. Yes, I'm very proud of it and how well the kids are doing.. Very high in school evaluations for all categories, even their special ed kids. Do you have anything positive to say about the schools there and the staff and teachers?
Diane od Delaware you have my sympathy, you are not here first hand to understand and you fail to understand what you read and twist what you don't understand.
It is simple common sense here in Elk County, Kansas the School Superintendent is hired by and works for the School Board, he is simply an employee. The School Board Members are Elected to sit on the School Board. The Superintendent is not, again he is simply an employee that is suppose to answer to the School Board and Yes he is required to attend the School Board but he is not the Administrator of the School Board. There is plenty of room in the setting area by the rest of us, which includes the School Principles and the Coaches (sometimes) and the computer technician and other citizens. Do you comprehend?
This is not Delaware. We don't need more brick and mortar and tin in an attempt to undercut the voter's wishes by doing an end run. That is Obama's and the liberal's ways of saying screw the voter.
Do you believe we should have Elected School Board Members that say screw the voters? We have a School Building that is capable of housing 600 children as reported to the School Board by the School Superintendent and has only 319 children enrolled as reported the School Board by the School Principle. The class rooms as reported to the School Board by their contractor are Luxurious.
Just how in the heck does spending lots of taxpayer money on an
un-needed building whether attached to the present building or not
going to raise the educational standards?
You see I believe you
Elk Konected Followers are very easily lead, no offense meant, it just appears that way. And I deduce that from your reasoning that building fancy Taj Mahai type buildings some how improves educational standards.
Diane we all know what average means, and I believe there could be more done to improve the teaching of the students that are doing poorly to raise that standard of average. It seems the coaches have done more to improve sports, West Elk went undefeated this foot ball season. Don't you reckon there was more effort on the field by the coaches to accomplish such a feat. How about applying the same attitude in the class room. Bring up all of the kids grades through more effort by the teachers. But the School Board would need to insist on written reports from the Superintendent showing how he is accomplishing the task and how it is progressing. But if he is sitting there at the head of the School Board as an unelected official controlling the board, oh, well.
I do have to admit our School Superintendent is a extremely intelligent person, which makes him quite capable of controlling and manipulating our School Board. No, I am not saying our School Board is a bunch of hicks, Diane, so stop going there. I wonder is our School Superintendent associated with
Elk Konected ? Pleas tell us,
ALL KNOWING (WIZARD OF OZ)
Diane in
Delaware. Ooop's, I apologize for that Diane, the
devil made me do it. LOL
Does the School Superintendent encourage such a thing in the class room? How does he do that? We don't hear or see any reports about his efforts with his staff, why? Perhaps because he sits on the School Board and the roles are reversed. Perhaps, because he is sitting at the head of the School Board playing the role of Superintendent over the School Board instead of an Employee of the School Board.
DIANE OF DELAWARE YOU ARE TO MUCH FUN.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2013, 10:21:21 AM
I have friends and family in Elk County. The families have been there a very long time. You would recognize the family name.
And that name would matter exactly how? Do they have some claim of royalty? As you said, this is Oz.... not some family based monarchy. Though there surely are a few here who seem to think so.
Ross, I checked your work and came up with 12 errors without even trying. If that is acceptable writing to every one there, then close the schools after 6th grade and save all that money. No wonder the schools are average or below. After all, I could figure out what you were trying to say...sort of. So what does it matter? A "setting" area at school board meetings? I guess the cafeteria could use the eggs, though. ;D
So, if you have poor teachers, why are they still working there? We don't tolerate it, why would you? You want Blue Ribbon Schools, ya gotta have Blue Ribbon quality teachers, top quality curricula and parents who team with the teachers,not fight against them and whine at everything.
I see Ross Jr. had to spout off. Here I thought his geyser had gone dormant. Don't bother answering,it won't matter. You are gone....poof! As I said, I will always be interested in what is going on out there, especially with the "Main Stream People" who always try to hold communities together, no matter where one lives.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Ross, I checked your work and came up with 12 errors without even trying. If that is acceptable writing to every one there, then close the schools after 6th grade and save all that money. No wonder the schools are average or below. After all, I could figure out what you were trying to say...sort of. So what does it matter? A "setting" area at school board meetings? I guess the cafeteria could use the eggs, though. ;D
So, if you have poor teachers, why are they still working there? We don't tolerate it, why would you? You want Blue Ribbon Schools, ya gotta have Blue Ribbon quality teachers, top quality curricula and parents who team with the teachers,not fight against them and whine at everything.
I see Ross Jr. had to spout off. Here I thought his geyser had gone dormant. Don't bother answering,it won't matter. You are gone....poof! As I said, I will always be interested in what is going on out there, especially with the "Main Stream People" who always try to hold communities together, no matter where one lives.
Diane you should check your own errors before trying to be the internet police. You make plenty.
See we have something in common, we both make errors, we are both human. But I don't go around policing the internet.
Besides, I am communicating in code with the spirits of
Ho weird future. LOL
Do you think it is a conspiracy I'm running?
What is your excuse? LOL
You seem to be suggesting that we have inferior teachers, did you get that idea from your El
k Konnected Konnections?Well I think you are wrong about that "Main Stream People" Bull Shit ! Here in Elk County they seem to have started an organization putting down communities that were not known as
"Ho weird" ! You pointed that out, that
"Ho weird" . Pretty cool of you. I had never heard that until you told me. Thanks.
I thought you said "poof" a while ago while denying
Elk Konnected over on the other thread.
Just couldn't control yourself could you?
Don't forget to check for errors ole Wizard of Oz of Delaware.
How-weird came from one of your residents, not from me. and not EK either. I don't judge your teachers, just used you as an example. Never mind,ya didn't go to any of the local schools,huh? Go ahead sass me all you want. You are gone.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
How-weird came from one of your residents, not from me. and not EK either.
I got it from you, way up there in Delaware.
That's all there was to it.
I have lived here quite a few years and never heard it until you posted it.
But Elk Konnected and its Followers are residents here, aren't they?
Super long time residents. So how come you can say it didn't come from them?
My, my you seem to be cornfused again.
Ya, just couldn't leave well enough alone, ya had to re-enforce old stuff I guess.
How-weird of you as an educated educator. Not really. LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
I don't judge your teachers, just used you as an example. Never mind,ya didn't go to any of the local schools,huh?
Just what does going to any of the local schools 50 or 60 years ago have to do with today's educational standards? That is just an asinine statement, in my opinion and has absolutely nothing to do with today's conversation.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
Go ahead sass me all you want.
There you go again quite cornfused, I ain't sassing you, just conversing with a sense of humor. LOL
Don't give me that crap about respecting my elders either, we are the same age. LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
You are gone.
There you are again, cornfused as usual.
I'm still here.
You may be gone, probably further gone than you realize.
I hope you have a great weekend.
TTFN
No one has gone dormant here ,JP Di. I haven't seen anything posted by you worth responding to. CCTP