In his on-going, all-encompassing thread, Mr. Ross has mentioned reading about a new movement or group in Kansas known as Power Ups. Having read the same article he mentions, I was curious whether his questions about possible ties to Elk Konnected and/or Public Squares, LLC might be accurate or not. Going to the website of Power Ups, which is www.ruralbychoice.com, one learns it originated with one Marci Penner of the Kansas Sampler Foundation in 2007. It appears to be a very well designed website and is quite thorough in explaining about this new group. I would encourage anyone interested to visit the website and read about Power Ups for themselves. BTW, no where did I see Elk Konnected, Public Squares, LLC., or Liz Hendricks mentioned. If any of them were, I must have missed it.
Well, I just have to move this over to where the topic of OneUps got started.
I just don't understand why ya gotta start a new thread?
That just doesn't make sense to me, unless it is an attempt to confuse the people of Elk County, is that it?
Anyway come on back over to
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.5500.html
for your response.
"The crucial difference between having a preconceived notion — we all do that, of course — and conspiratorial thinking is when you get into that self-sealing reasoning and ignore every piece of evidence that is pointing the other way, when you're starting to broaden the circle of conspirators, and when your skepticism gets to be nihilistic — when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying — that's when you've crossed the line."
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_believe_in_conspiracy_theories/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_believe_in_conspiracy_theories/)
You may find a response at
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.new.html#new
"Young people have been leaving rural America for decades, but Mike Bosch, 34, is happy to swim against the tide.
Instead of moving his fast-growing information technology services company to his hometown of Dallas last year, Bosch chose to stay in Baldwin City, Kansas, population 4,515. The business, Reflective Group, sits between a car repair shop and post office on a quiet cobblestone street.
All but two of the company's 17 employees are under 40, and half of them live in Baldwin City, about 45 miles southwest of Kansas City.
Bosch is part of a Kansas group called PowerUp, a social and business network that touts rural life for the under-40 crowd and lets them know they are not alone.
"There isn't a 20 to 30 year old out there who isn't going through some struggles in these towns," Bosch said. "We started educating people on why small towns can be better than big towns, and what resources exist out there."
Full story here:
http://news.yahoo.com/kansas-group-tries-reverse-exodus-young-rural-america-212331492.html (http://news.yahoo.com/kansas-group-tries-reverse-exodus-young-rural-america-212331492.html)
You know what?
You can run an internet web page design service (internet technology as you called it) from anywhere and utilize the cloud from anywhere as well. It doesn't have to be run from a town, a small community or a village, because it is on the World Wide Internet.
In fact it could be run from a boat in the middle of Lake Superior. And as far a operating internet technology, I'm operating it on my laptop sitting on my couch communicating with you, and who knows it might be traveling through the cloud when I activate the post button.
It is cheaper to run the business from one of these sleeper types of communities, because the rent for office space in the large cities is really a lot more expensive. So are the normal day to day living expenses. Isn't this a correct assumption?
But, I must ask Flint how many of these information technology services company can actually operate and survive in rural Kansas?
So, Baldwin City is rural, really? What exactly does rural mean?
How rural is Baldwin City compared to Elk County which I believe to be the ultimate in rural?
Baldwin City is
45 miles to the Heart of Kansas City, Kansas with a population of 146,453
31 miles to Lenxa with a population of 48,972
24 miles to Olathe with a population of 127,907
19 miles to Lawrence with a population of 88,727
16 miles to Ottawa with a population of 12,620
The population of Baldwin City is 4,569
Wouldn't Baldwin City just be considered a sleeper community of Kansas City?
Baldwin City is in Douglas County where Kansas City is, right?
And Douglas County is part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, right?
The Kansas City Metropolitan Area is a fifteen-county metropolitan area, anchored by Kansas City, Missouri, that spans the border between the U.S. states of Missouri and Kansas. As of the 2010 Census, the metropolitan area has a population of 2,035,334. It is the second largest metropolitan area in Missouri after Greater St. Louis and is the largest with territory in Kansas, ahead of Wichita. The area includes a number of suburbs including the following which have a population exceeding 100,000: Independence, Missouri; Kansas City, Kansas; Olathe, Kansas; and Overland Park, Kansas. The following suburbs have a population exceeding 50,000: Blue Springs, Missouri; Lee's Summit, Missouri; and Shawnee, Kansas. The Mid-America Regional Council (MARC) serves as the Council of Governments and the Metropolitan Planning Organization for the area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Kansas_City
Now that's a mouth full, if I do say so myself.
I visited the link you provided,
http://news.yahoo.com/kansas-group-tries-reverse-exodus-young-rural-america-212331492.html
The article points out much of the same things, I discussed above just in a bit of a different way. Not quite as informative in my personal opinion.
But don't most kids grow up and graduate from high school and leave home and most times many, many miles from home?
Don't a lot of them join the military and some go on to make it a career? Some go to college and as a result acquire excellent jobs in far off areas. Should they give up what they want because of some NGO?
And don't fewer even return home?
And eventually a few may come back, just like the few that came back and started NGO's trying to prevent kids from enjoying the same experience that they got to enjoy.
Really, this is all very confusing, isn't it just a method of trying to manipulate the young and hinder their thinking and growth and life experiences? Perhaps you can clear some of this up for me? Thanks!
Here is yet another such organization: http://americansforprosperity.org/kansas and if you look there is a letter in there that list a bunch more NGO's.
How many NGO's are out there and how many does there need to be?
To me personally NGO's amount to a bunch of small and a bunch of large groups of people that do not want to work with in the system and want to manipulate the system and the people with in there area, region or community. That is just my personal opinion.
Well DD, I see the topic has been hijacked again by the " Pretender Administrator." That is so rude! If you had wanted to put your comments on that other thread I'm sure you would have. Now nobody can start a new thread without it being scrutinized by Ross and moved to where ever HE sees fit? Perhaps another complaint is in order. It isn't up to him to judge what others want to do!
That's pretty sad for someone who insists he be ignored or not believed..and that's exactly why I called him Boss Ross. How dare you start a new thread without clearing it with him first!. How about moving your thread back where it was? As far as I know he was told about this once already and was told to stop it. Back to the same old tricks, as if the administrators couldn't have really meant it since it was Ross....
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 10:22:41 AM
Well DD, I see the topic has been hijacked again by the " Pretender Administrator." That is so rude! If you had wanted to put your comments on that other thread I'm sure you would have. Now nobody can start a new thread without it being scrutinized by Ross and moved to where ever HE sees fit? Perhaps another complaint is in order. It isn't up to him to judge what others want to do!
That's pretty sad for someone who insists he be ignored or not believed..and that's exactly why I called him Boss Ross. How dare you start a new thread without clearing it with him first!. How about moving your thread back where it was? As far as I know he was told about this once already and was told to stop it. Back to the same old tricks, as if the administrators couldn't have really meant it since it was Ross....
I don't understand your complaint but please feel free to file it.
You don't need to ask permission.
Just do it.
It appears you are talking about hide and seek and I think I play fair at hide and seek.
But why hide in the first place?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 10:22:41 AM
Well DD, I see the topic has been hijacked again by the " Pretender Administrator." That is so rude!
Well I forgot to ask Diane what is with the name calling?
Is that seriously rude?
Is that the way teachers communicate effectively?
Time for me to head outside in the sunshine, the glorious rain has subsided and the clouds have pretty much cleared up.
You try to have a great day.
You are moving people's posts again! I didn't move yours. I'm not hiding...I'm straight up asking you to stop....again. You refused when I asked you the first time.
You were already asked not to do that. Where do you come off moving people's posts around in the first place?
Yes, sometimes teachers have to call certain kinds of people out on their behavior or it would never change. Some times we have to talk rough to get the attention of certain types of adults. Gentle doesn't always cut it, but I'd rather be gentle than not. Teachers are expected to stand up to bullies. That move was very disrespectful, rude, and not justified. Or is it just the hick way of doing things and you can claim you didn't know any better. >:( Somebody needs to stand up once in awhile and say "enough."
On the one hand you say you don't know anything and welcome help, but on the other hand you seem to want to be your own personal NGO and challenge everybody on everything constantly.
Keepin an eye out is good, we all need to do it, but pages and pages and pages of the same old thing and whipping the same people over and over is very strange. I can't imagine what you expect to accomplish.
Here we go again Diane, but this is getting really old. You have really gotten off topic again.
Now forgive me but I just moved your previous post and my previous post to this post, do I have your approval? Right here:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 10:22:41 AM
Well DD, I see the topic has been hijacked again by the " Pretender Administrator." That is so rude!
Quote from: ROSS on May 08, 2013, 11:02:20 AM
Well I forgot to ask Diane what is with the name calling?
Is that seriously rude?
Is that the way teachers communicate effectively?
Time for me to head outside in the sunshine, the glorious rain has subsided and the clouds have pretty much cleared up.
You try to have a great day.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 11:20:47 AM
You are moving people's posts again! I didn't move yours.
Perhaps you don't know how and therefore find fault with it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 11:20:47 AM
Yes, sometimes teachers have to call certain kinds of people out on their behavioror it would never change. That was very disrespectful, rude,and not justified. or is it just the hick way of doing things and you can claim you didn't know any better. >:(
Who are you to make that call? Do you make the rules for the internet or this forum? LOL!
So are you saying that is what you teach? When if you fail to be able to communicate decently, it's okay to call names and bully?
Good job!
Also, while attempting to communicate with you may I ask, is there a problem with calling a small community a sleeper community of a gigantic metropolitan area and not a rural community? Especially when they try to pass themselves off as rural?
The Kansas City Metropolitan area covers 15 counties and includes the county where the community is located. Do you concur with that?
Please let us know what an educator thinks and knows!
Ross, would you consider Latham, KS (which is south of Beaumont and west of Howard) rural? It has a population of 139. Or how about Grainola, OK which is the first town you come to if you go west from Cedar Vale and then take K15 south, which becomes OK 18 at the stateline? It has a population of 31.
Ross, the question is not whether I make forum rules but rather why you think you do. Please do not move people's posts around to suit yourself. Teresa already addressed that before.
As far as asking me about rural vs city...the way you look at it my entire state would be rural. ;D If you add the population of our three biggest ''cities" together, it's only 138,489. Wichita alone has about 384,445 . Now you tell me who has the city slickers? ;) We have lots of little tiny "towns " of a few hundred or less, especially downstate.
I wouldn't dare speak up as you have already made up your mind and there for mine too. Al was the head of the Population Consortium here for many years, but I suspect you wouldn't respect his definitions or information either.
I should know better than to have an independent opinion. Perhaps I'll start a new sarcastic thread and move all your posts into it.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 08, 2013, 12:23:01 PM
Ross, would you consider Latham, KS (which is south of Beaumont and west of Howard) rural? It has a population of 139. Or how about Grainola, OK which is the first town you come to if you go west from Cedar Vale and then take K15 south, which becomes OK 18 at the stateline? It has a population of 31.
I don't see where they have anything to do with the Kansas City Metropolitan area that is made up of 15 counties.
And once again:
The Kansas City Metropolitan Area is a fifteen-county metropolitan area, anchored by Kansas City, Missouri, that spans the border between the U.S. states of Missouri and Kansas. As of the 2010 Census, the metropolitan area has a population of 2,035,334. It is the second largest metropolitan area in Missouri after Greater St. Louis and is the largest with territory in Kansas, ahead of Wichita. The area includes a number of suburbs including the following which have a population exceeding 100,000: Independence, Missouri; Kansas City, Kansas; Olathe, Kansas; and Overland Park, Kansas. The following suburbs have a population exceeding 50,000: Blue Springs, Missouri; Lee's Summit, Missouri; and Shawnee, Kansas. The Mid-America Regional Council (MARC) serves as the Council of Governments and the Metropolitan Planning Organization for the area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Kansas_City
Do these communities you ask about have the above mentioned in common with Baldwin City?
If you can show me such a similarity, I will try to be responsive.
IE do they have The Mid-America Regional Council (MARC) serves as the Council of Governments and the Metropolitan Planning Organization for the area or similar Governing Body that covers multiple counties?
Or are we going to attempt to attempt to compare apples and oranges to be the same as rural and metropolitan?
Is there no difference?
I have provided facts, I received from Wikipedia because I have no real answers but I do have lots of questions.
And sometimes I find answers such as I provided from Wikipedia.
Heck I never realized tat the Kansas City Metropolitan Area covered 15 counties until just a couple of hours ago when I stumbled on to that information.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 01:07:26 PM
Ross, the question is not whether I make forum rules but rather why you think you do. Please do not move people's posts around to suit yourself. Teresa already addressed that before.
Are you trying to read my mind, you can not know what I think! Sorry about that!
For some reason I don't recall Teresa addressing that. Perhaps Teresa will PM me and give me a dressing down. If I am wrong I expect a dressingdown from the forum owners but not from you Diane of Delaware. That's catchy isn't it? Diane of Delaware, sort of like Helen of Troy or something. You may use that if you like. Compliments of me! It reminds me of the time my boss on the pipeline use to sing, "Here comes Ross the boss on the fautin hoss". I loved it. Gottaa have some fun ya know.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 01:07:26 PM
As far as asking me about rural vs city...the way you look at it my entire state would be rural. ;D If you add the population of our three biggest ''cities" together, it's only 138,489. Wichita alone has about 384,445 . Now you tell me who has the city slickers? ;) We have lots of little tiny "towns " of a few hundred or less, especially downstate.
I could careless about Delaware, but I did point out to you about your area at one time of having two large prisons that employee a lot of people and other amenities that Elk County lacks. However this topic is about rural Kansas and has turned to what rural means in Kansas not in Delaware. So that is the topic, Isn't it? Kansas is the topic and what is rural and NGO's.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 01:07:26 PM
I wouldn't dare speak up as you have already made up your mind and there for mine too. Al was the head of the Population Consortium here for many years, but I suspect you wouldn't respect his definitions or information either.
You guys have all the expert fields covered, how great that must make you feel.
Tell me did his position as Population Consortium have any connection in the state of Kansas or was it Delaware?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 01:07:26 PM
I should know better than to have an independent opinion. Perhaps I'll start a new sarcastic thread and move all your posts into it.
Have fun with that.
Latham and Grainola share something with Baldwin City - they are both in Metropolitan areas also. Latham is part of the Wichita MSA, and Grainola is in the Tulsa MSA. So using your superior reasoning, they are also just "a sleeper community of a gigantic metropolitan area and not a rural community"
Just because a specific town happens to be in a county that is included in a Metropolitan Statistical Area by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) does not mean it isn't a local economy unto itself. Latham and Grainola are about as rural as you can get, in fact they are actually 'frontier'. So are Beaumont, Rosalia, and Cassoday. I don't think you would find very many people that would say these are just sleeper communities for Wichita.
From the OMB - http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/fedreg_2010/06282010_metro_standards-Complete.pdf (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/fedreg_2010/06282010_metro_standards-Complete.pdf)
"Furthermore, the Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Area Standards do not produce an urban-rural classification, and confusion of these concepts can lead to difficulties in program implementation. Counties included in Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas and many other counties may contain both urban and rural territory and population. For instance, programs that seek to strengthen rural economies by focusing solely on counties located outside metropolitan statistical areas could ignore a predominantly rural county that is included in a metropolitan statistical area because a high percentage of the county's residents commute to urban centers for work."
Ross, one last comment and I'll walk away shaking my head.
You expect me to believe you "forgot" Teresa's comments about forum behavior and what you did to me? I suppose you didn't read Kjell's either? March 22 on the other thread, "Ross's Elk County Connected Thread?" My,my, how convenient. I suggest you read it. You were also asked to cut back on the ad nauseam on that EK thread. That didn't happen either so I guess you think you have a mandate to do as you please.
As far as my opinion on what's rural in Kansas....you asked me!(Yes, Al could address Kansas too as the definitions are universal) read what Flint wrote,,,,same stuff.
I could care less except that you are moving people's posts again. That was supposed to stop! And that was MY topic.Not Kansas or Delaware. Had you not done that I would not have darkened this door. All a one trick pony now. How many different ways can Ross gripe. Boring.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 02:17:24 PM
Ross, one last comment and I'll walk away shaking my head.
!Really? Awww!
[quote author=Diane Amberg link=topic=15303.msg208117#msg208117
You expect me to believe you "forgot" Teresa's comments about forum behavior and what you did to me? i suspose you didn't read kjell'd either? March 22 on the other thread, "Ross's Elk County connected Thread?" My,my how convienent. I suggest you read it. You were also asked to cut back on the ad nasuem on that EK thread. That didn't happen either so i guess you think you have a mandate to do as you please. [/quote]
You apparently interpret things your own way. But guess what, I will go back and review their posts. Thanks for the heads up.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 02:17:24 PM
As far as my opinion on what's rural in Kansas....you asked me!(Yes, Al could address Kansas too as the defintiions are universal) read what flint wrote,,,,same stuff.
There are many definitions to the word rural depending where you look. It seems different government agencies determine their own definition. However I happen to like Marriam Websters definition to wit: of or relating to the country, country people or life, or agriculture.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 08, 2013, 02:17:24 PM
I could care less except that you are moving people's posts again. That was supposed to stop!
That only leaves a desire to call names and bully doesn't it?
Bye-bye Diane it has been my pleasure.
The Wichita, KS Metropolitan Statistical Area, as defined by the United States Office of Management and Budget, is an area consisting of four counties in south central Kansas, anchored by the city of Wichita. As of the 2010 census, the MSA had a population of 623,061 and the Combined Statistical area with the Winfield Micropolitan area had 659,372. With the addition of the population of the directly adjacent Hutchinson Micropolitan Statistical Area the 2010 population of the greater Wichita area would be 723,883. It is the largest metropolitan area anchored in the state of Kansas.
I wonder why would the United States Office of Management and Budget consider these large areas as metropolitan ?
Would it perhaps have anything to do with the spill over of the economy?
And the ease of access to that economy, would that play a part?
And that perhaps, a lot of people work in the center of that economy and take the money home to their communities?
Sure the sleeper communities would have their own economy, such as stores etc. Aid by the pay checks from the city a short distance away, which would large boost to their economy.
That seems to make sense to me?
But as I stated in another post there are plenty of definitions for the word rural.
I read where a school district defined rural as having 10 children per square miles.
No not our school district. I wish now I would have saved that link.
But I believe when I said we are the ultimate in rural, I am right. The nearest large community is 40 miles away. And the nearest city is even further.
It seems different government agencies determine their own definition. However, I happen to like Merriam Webster's definition to wit: of or relating to the country, country people or life, or agriculture.
I can hardly see how anything can be more rural than Elk County.
And I'm proud to live here.
Are we close enough to benefit economically, financially from a metropolitan area? I don't think so, do you?
Have you ever been to Latham?
Quote from: ROSS on May 08, 2013, 04:46:55 PM
Are we close enough to benefit economically, financially from a metropolitan area? I don't think so, do you?
You may want to ask that last question to the people who commute daily to jobs in the Wichita MSA from Elk County.
Quote from: ROSS on May 08, 2013, 01:12:39 PM
I don't see where they have anything to do with the Kansas City Metropolitan area that is made up of 15 counties.
And once again:
The Kansas City Metropolitan Area is a fifteen-county metropolitan area, anchored by Kansas City, Missouri, that spans the border between the U.S. states of Missouri and Kansas. As of the 2010 Census, the metropolitan area has a population of 2,035,334. It is the second largest metropolitan area in Missouri after Greater St. Louis and is the largest with territory in Kansas, ahead of Wichita. The area includes a number of suburbs including the following which have a population exceeding 100,000: Independence, Missouri; Kansas City, Kansas; Olathe, Kansas; and Overland Park, Kansas. The following suburbs have a population exceeding 50,000: Blue Springs, Missouri; Lee's Summit, Missouri; and Shawnee, Kansas. The Mid-America Regional Council (MARC) serves as the Council of Governments and the Metropolitan Planning Organization for the area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Kansas_City
Do these communities you ask about have the above mentioned in common with Baldwin City?
If you can show me such a similarity, I will try to be responsive.
IE do they have The Mid-America Regional Council (MARC) serves as the Council of Governments and the Metropolitan Planning Organization for the area or similar Governing Body that covers multiple counties?
Or are we going to attempt to attempt to compare apples and oranges to be the same as rural and metropolitan?
Is there no difference?
I have provided facts, I received from Wikipedia because I have no real answers but I do have lots of questions.
And sometimes I find answers such as I provided from Wikipedia.
Heck I never realized tat the Kansas City Metropolitan Area covered 15 counties until just a couple of hours ago when I stumbled on to that information.
Ross has provided so much mis-information here that I completely overlooked the fact that Baldwin City is not in the Kansas City MSA at all. It is in Douglass County, which is the Lawrence MSA. Neither Baldwin City or Douglass County are members of the Mid-America Regional Council. The Lawrence MSA is comprised of Douglass County only, and had a 2010 Census population of 110,826.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 08, 2013, 06:30:44 PM
Ross has provided so much mis-information here that I completely overlooked the fact that Baldwin City is not in the Kansas City MSA at all. It is in Douglass County, which is the Lawrence MSA. Neither Baldwin City or Douglass County are members of the Mid-America Regional Council. The Lawrence MSA is comprised of Douglass County only, and had a 2010 Census population of 110,826.
Well doggone I stand corrected and there was no intention of spreading misinformation.
Here is an update on tha Kansas City MSA and CSA.
From the web page http://www.marc.org/metrodataline/statisticalarea.htm it is stated:
===========================================================================================In February 2004, Atchison County, Kan., and Johnson County, Mo., were added to the 15 counties in the MSA to form the new 17-county Combined Statistical Area (CSA).
That was Followed by:
Douglas County
Douglas County in Kansas, although not a part of the MSA or the CSA, is often included because of its cultural and
economic ties to the region.
============================================================================================So do you see the significance of the proximity? Economic isn't that significant?
I did a google search for the Lawrence MSA and could not find anything; would you please help me out with a link?
This is simply saying what I have been saying all along, that Baldwin City is with in economic range of Kansas City.
If there is a Lawrence MSA it would also have the same Economic advantage that actual rural areas lack.
As I said I googled for the Lawrence MSA and had no luck finding it. And again, I would appreciate a link to the Lawrence MSA.
Thanks for indulging me.
This is an example of what efforts to recruit former residents of a rural community can accomplish, and what many in the Rural By Choice group (Sparks, PowerUps, and PowerOns) would like to replicate in other rural communities of Kansas.
From: http://www.kansassampler.org/8wonders/commerceresults.php?id=139 (http://www.kansassampler.org/8wonders/commerceresults.php?id=139)
"What makes this business so important to Plainville is that the success of it does not depend upon the local economy for support. But, the dollars the company generates are then infused back into the local economy through payroll, purchases from local merchants and charitable contributions and support of school and community activities."
And from the company website: http://www.dessinfournir.com/#aboutus (http://www.dessinfournir.com/#aboutus)
"Our philosophy of preservation extends beyond the design and manufacture of furniture, lighting and
textiles to encompass our choice to base our business in Kansas. Here, we live and work in a small town with a great quality of life, a rural community that we've helped to revitalize by creating jobs and renovating downtown buildings, which are now home to thriving shops and cafés. As with design, it's about being true to what matters."
And one more, from Preservation Magazine, winter 2013: http://www.preservationnation.org/magazine/2013/winter/theres-no-place-like-home.html#.UYsAivko7cc (http://www.preservationnation.org/magazine/2013/winter/theres-no-place-like-home.html#.UYsAivko7cc)
"Entrepreneur Chuck Comeau relocated his international luxury furnishings company to the rural Kansas town where he grew up and learned preservation isn't just a way to celebrate community—it's good for business, too."
Flint I was really counting on learning more about the Lawrence MSA you spoke of?
I wish you would provide us a link to your information.
As far as what I read about the PowerUps that The founder and steering committee of Elk Konnected and the President of Public Squares Communities was bragging about in the Kansas Country Living magazine sounded rather selfish to me. I posted that either here or on the other thread.
But with the very thinly spread and minimal membership which includes our very own Elk Konnected Steering Committee Member their just doesn't appear much they can accomplish with the attitude I perceive of them. And it appears the recruitment effort in Elk County didn't accomplish much either. Just my thought and opinion for what it's worth.
Any one can write anything and not have to back it up with any proof, just say it and sheeple will believe it! Isn't that a grand idea?
Oh I stumbled on to something to day that people might find interesting. It now appears the Public Squares Communities, Inc no longer resides in Leoti, Washington County, Kansas but now resides in Howard, Elk County, Kansas. Doesn't that now give us two NGO's in Elk County? I wonder if we will become home to some more NGO's?
Well have about it do you have a link for that MSA you spoke of?
Have a good night, I'm off to bed.
Quote from: ROSS on May 08, 2013, 09:14:47 PM
Flint I was really counting on learning more about the Lawrence MSA you spoke of?
I wish you would provide us a link to your information.
......
Any one can write anything and not have to back it up with any proof, just say it and sheeple will believe it! Isn't that a grand idea?
......
Well have about it do you have a link for that MSA you spoke of?
Have a good night, I'm off to bed.
Are you claiming I made up the fact that there is a Lawrence Metropolitan Statistical Area?
Not everything has a Wikipedia page that says "here I am Ross, since you don't want to have to look very far for anything." The Lawrence MSA exists. It even is referenced in the Wiki page that applies to the county it consists of. And it is in excel files and huge map files that reside at the Census Bureau's site. They're not that hard to find if you expend a modicum of effort.
Here's the article from Kansas Country Living that initiated Ross' latest attack on Liz Hendricks and anything she might be a part of.
http://www.kansassampler.org/siteassets/LizHPowerUpstory.pdf (http://www.kansassampler.org/siteassets/LizHPowerUpstory.pdf)
Sure can see why Ross would not like that article in Kansas Country Living.
Why do we need them? We don't.
America has much of that kind of promotion of progressivism - also known as communism.
It's good that there are folks like Ross who will stand for liberty.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 08, 2013, 10:01:57 PM
Are you claiming I made up the fact that there is a Lawrence Metropolitan Statistical Area?
Not everything has a Wikipedia page that says "here I am Ross, since you don't want to have to look very far for anything." The Lawrence MSA exists. It even is referenced in the Wiki page that applies to the county it consists of. And it is in excel files and huge map files that reside at the Census Bureau's site. They're not that hard to find if you expend a modicum of effort.
I believe, I said, I performed a Google search and came up with nothing. I did not say, I performed a Wikipedia search. And that simply led me to politely ask you for a link. I guess asking politely means nothing. But just the same if it is in an MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) it is considered metropolitan, isn't that correct? But perhaps you could show the unedumacted redneck hick a link, caussin I'se can't find one.
Well, I suppose, I should have been more precise in stating that you can write anything and sheeple will believe it. No it was not aimed at you. These articles that proclaim everything, but don't back the proclamation up with anything that is what I was referring to.
For instance moving back to Kansas to live the rural life. But actually living in a sleeper community that is within range of a major Metropolitan area and where the community is anything but rural or agricultural and survives off that Metropolitan's economics as stated by the governing and educated people that govern as the MSA and the CSA. I hope my opinion is as clear as mud.
And no sir, I am not attacking Liz Hendricks, I don't know where you get that idea! And actually I'm not even attacking the NGO's that she is on the steering committee of or the president of. If asking questions and stating opinions is considered attacks then In my opinion the NGO's should re-examine what they are about. I would think that by answering simple question honestly would place any such NGO in good light! If there are no good answers that they can provide why have someone claim an attack?
What I understand about these NGO's, it seems they have an attitude that everything has to be positive and if you do not agree with what they declare as positive you are wrong in expressing your opinion. Now that is another of my opinions.
But, also they tend to twist words and again that is my opinion. When an organization says their position is to remain politically neutral on one hand and on the other hand say they want to have enough people involved in their NGO to affect local and regional issues, is political that not being political? Where is the sense in that?
But you see to call my opinion an attack on a person is just down right wrong.
I believe that there is some kind of misunderstanding of some kind.
Or does this mean, I am being attacked for asking questions?
What is really going on here?
We did not hear you saying that Elk Konnected was attacking Longton when Liz Hendricks as Elk Konnected wrote her open letter dissing Longton and its governing body for not falling in to what Elk Konnected deemed the right thing for Longton to do, did we? That article was written about trash pick-up which was more politely referred to as waste disposal and is still posted on line given as a reason for the start up of Elk Konnected. I would not consider it an attack on Longton but I do consider the letter distasteful and something that would, could and still does provide further division within Elk County. The letter also went on to praise another organization for doing fund raising for their own benefit as a comparison which is hardly a comparison to operating a communities governing body as a city council. You probably consider this an attack as well, when all I am doing is just stating my opinion as to what I saw happen. If so, oh well!
Quote from: flintauqua on May 08, 2013, 11:12:31 PM
Here's the article from Kansas Country Living that initiated Ross' latest attack on Liz Hendricks and anything she might be a part of.
Just what attack on Liz Hendricks or anything she is a part of?
That is one of them thar things with no meat ain't it?
Just a feel good story ain't it?
So asking questions is attacking.
If asking questions is attacking, then there must be something wrong and asking questions would bring that out, is that what you are saying?
I do believe that is what the Democrat Liberals are saying about the actual and physical attack on people in high places by other people in high places for asking questions in the investigation of what happened at Benghazi. Are the Republicans really attacking because they are asking for honest answers, in what caused the death of the Ambassador and other American citizens? If so does that make the whistle-blowers anti-American?
By what standards does our society operate on?
Should the truth come out or not?
Personally, if the truth comes out, I will be shocked.
What's that saying about politicians?
Quote from: flintauqua on May 08, 2013, 11:12:31 PM
http://www.kansassampler.org/siteassets/LizHPowerUpstory.pdf (http://www.kansassampler.org/siteassets/LizHPowerUpstory.pdf)
This story in my opinion has no meat, in my opinion that makes it a feel good story and nothing more. But that is simply my opinion. And thank you for providing the website link. That is much appreciated. I am going to try to explore that information when I get time.
Ross, Douglas County is not part of Kansas City. Kansas City resides in Wyandotte County and Johnson County. Douglas County has Lawrence. I have never considered Douglas County part of the Kansas City area.
"After college graduation, I had no desire to strike out for the bright lights of a big city. I longed to be back to my rural roots, cowboy boots, and the life I loved so much.
I chose to live in a rural community not only because I love fresh air, wide open spaces, uninterrupted horizons, natural amenities, and serenity, but also because this is the best lifestyle and atmosphere for my children to thrive."
http://www.cfra.org/news/130507/bucking-trend-and-going-rural (http://www.cfra.org/news/130507/bucking-trend-and-going-rural)
Quote from: flintauqua on May 08, 2013, 07:57:16 PM
"What makes this business so important to Plainville is that the success of it does not depend upon the local economy for support. But, the dollars the company generates are then infused back into the local economy through payroll, purchases from local merchants and charitable contributions and support of school and community activities."
Plainville isn't what the article in the magazine was about was it?
The article was about Baldwin City, Kansas a sleeper community of the Kansas City Metropolitan area, wasn't it.
But just the same:
They didn't happen to mention the company had been in business for 15 or 20 years in California did they?
It's a feel good story isn't it. And a great benefit to Kansas in economic value. But.
They didn't mention that he could buy property cheaper in Kansas than in California for expansion did they?
They didn't mention that lower property taxes might have played a part in the decision did they?
They didn't mention having to perhaps paying lower wages played a part in it did they?
They didn't mention how many people they laid off in California and left them looking for work to support their families did they?
I worked in Washington State for a company that did the same thing.
They packed up and moved to Kentucky, they offered to take anyone with them that wanted to go, but at half the salary they were earning in Washington. And they would have to pay to move themselves. How many do you think would move? Sure it was beneficial to the company because they continued to bring in the same money from the same customers but paid half of the previous amounts in wages and paid less property taxes. And also a lot of states permit new companies to keep the income tax they collect from employees for as long as 5 years. I know Kansas does this and so does Missouri. But the previous employees that worked so hard to make the company profitable are left out in the cold and lose their possible retirement they thought they were working for. I was fortunate I wasn't hurt by their move because I had only worked for them for a year while waiting for a far better paying job and I had no family. A person at that period of time could spend two years looking for a job to support their family and make those house payments. Oh well none of that matters does it?
In my personal opinion feel good stories are just that feel good story. They are aimed at leaving out the bad stuff aren't they? Keep things positive no matter how many families get hurt, right?
There a lot more companies wanting out of California today because of the taxation out there. Which is a result of overspending but the state government and about ready to file bankruptcy, if they haven't done so already.
Which leads me to what is Elk County doing to try to attract one or two of those companies here. There seems to be a lot of concern about the towns in Elk County becoming ghost towns, there seems to be a lot of concern about the lagging economy, there seems to be a lot of concern in Elk County about the declining population of children to go to school here? But what is being done to rectify these problems?
Wanting to build a larger school for less children, will that bring more people to live in Elk County? NO, I don't think so.
Now, I'm not complaining about these worries of declining population because I am quite content. I'm retired and don't need a job, I brought my retirement checks and my social security check to the Elk County economy and I try to keep my spending at home here in Elk County as much as possible this helps sustain the local economy (businesses) doesn't it?
I have had enough of this thread and I will return to the thread that initiated the conversations about the PowerUps and the feel good story generated about them.
Have a good night.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on May 09, 2013, 05:55:44 PM
Ross, Douglas County is not part of Kansas City. Kansas City resides in Wyandotte County and Johnson County. Douglas County has Lawrence. I have never considered Douglas County part of the Kansas City area.
I understand what you are saying Janet but the powers to be in the area do consider it as part of the Metropolitan area because of the economic ties. and the proximity.
Here is what I pointed out earlier and you can check their web site to ensure the accuracy of what I posted, okay.
I copied and pasted this right off their web site.
Quote from: ROSS on May 08, 2013, 07:46:26 PM
Here is an update on tha Kansas City MSA and CSA.
From the web page http://www.marc.org/metrodataline/statisticalarea.htm it is stated:
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In February 2004, Atchison County, Kan., and Johnson County, Mo., were added to the 15 counties in the MSA to form the new 17-county Combined Statistical Area (CSA).
That was Followed by:
Douglas County
Douglas County in Kansas, although not a part of the MSA or the CSA, is often included because of its cultural and economic ties to the region.
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So do you see the significance of the proximity? Economic isn't that significant?
I ain't no expert on any of this stuff and that's why I quoted the regions experts.
Hell, I ain't no expert on anything and that's why I ask so many questions.
Janet I forgot to mention the town is not considered a part of Kansas City.
As the governing bodies said the county it is in is sometimes considered a part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area which covers 17 Counties.
They call it the CSA and the MSA.
The "article in the magazine" wasn't about Baldwin City or Plainville, the article from the Kansas Country Living magazine that Liz wrote was about the "Rural By Choice" movement and one segment of it called PowerUps.
From: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg207979.html#msg207979
QuoteSo now I receive my little rag (magazine) called Kansas Country Living which I get monthly for paying my electric bill. And on page 24 I find an article from our very own Liz Hendricks, self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC and President of Public Squares Communities, Inc about 21 to 39 year olds.
The title of the article "Is there a New Movement in Kansas?
Baldwin City was presented by me as an example of what can occur when someone decides to start a business in a small town, surrounded by fields and pastures for miles around, rural town in a county that just happens to be large enough to be called metropolitan.
Plainville was presented by me as an example of what can happen when a company EXPANDS into a small town, instead of doing so in California. You sure don't read very well, or just choose to gloss over things, because the articles about Plainville mention the fact that their production facilities are still in California, and overall the company employs many more now than they did before they expanded.
Do you ever see a glass as being half-full, or is it always half-empty?
Quote from: ROSS on May 09, 2013, 08:48:52 PM
Janet I forgot to mention the town is not considered a part of Kansas City.
As the governing bodies said the county it is in is sometimes considered a part of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area which covers 17 Counties.
They call it the CSA and the MSA.
And neither the 17 county CSA or the 15 county MSA includes Douglas County and Baldwin City. The "governing bodies" you refer to are not the city government of Baldwin City or the county government of Douglas County. They are the staff and board of the Mid-America Regional Council.
"The Mid-America Regional Council is composed of nine counties and 119 cities and towns in the Kansas City region. Not all the counties in the MSA, or CSA, nor Douglas County are MARC members. However, we include their maps and data because many researchers and planners have an interest in the entire region."
This is from the same webpage that you got you're information, how you missed this little part is a little suspect.
Oh, I forgot to mention that in 2007 (latest numbers available) that big bad metropolitan county of Douglas, that just must be nothing but tracts and tracts of houses and strip-malls, managed to more than double-up purely rural Elk County in agricultural production, $41,687,500 to $20,129,400.
Ross do you care to explain that inconvenient (to you) fact away?
http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/Kansas/Publications/Annual_Statistical_Bulletin/County_Farm_Facts/2007/book07.pdf (http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/Kansas/Publications/Annual_Statistical_Bulletin/County_Farm_Facts/2007/book07.pdf)
There are many factors that would explain those numbers . Type of ag activity, number of tillable acres, etc. I don't think you can prove it's " ruralness" with that. I certainly wouldn't compare Elk county to any of that area, personally, just by driving through.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on May 10, 2013, 08:45:33 AM
There are many factors that would explain those numbers . Type of ag activity, number of tillable acres, etc. I don't think you can prove it's " ruralness" with that. I certainly wouldn't compare Elk county to any of that area, personally, just by driving through.
Well said Bullwnkle well said.
So how do you define rural?
I will take that question as a carte blanche to anyone?
It generally defined by the State for taxation purposes: Not within the city limits.
ready
Yup..good answer. There can be locally acceptable place identification catagories too. Ever hear of Metroform?
An article from Montana discussing how the rural lifestyle is attracting 30 somethings to live in smaller communities.
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/montana-s-rural-area-lifestyle-attracting-younger-residents/article_58f3dbf1-046e-549e-b488-c05c3b64249d.html#ixzz2Vr819YxJ (http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/montana-s-rural-area-lifestyle-attracting-younger-residents/article_58f3dbf1-046e-549e-b488-c05c3b64249d.html#ixzz2Vr819YxJ)
An excerpt: "When it comes to the reasons 30- to 40-year-olds say they want to move to a rural area, jobs isn't even in the top 10," Winchester said. "Quality of life is No. 1. Others are a slower pace, lower cost of housing, and safety and security. Many of these people are creating their own jobs."
Except after a few years it isn't rural any more...too many people move there and then expect the same services they left behind. We had it happen here too. Middletown,30 min. south of here was advertizing..''Leave the fuss, come visit us'' on their water tower. People did and they had a hugh growth spurt. Now folks are complaining...what happened to "rural" and the little town? It's still a nice, well planned out town, but much bigger and with all the usual big stores and traffic. Morning traffic head to work north is awful.