Last night, the Farm Bureau sponsored a candidate 'debate' at the Cox Building in Howard. After Randy Julian suggested that ditches were the most important thing we need on our county roads, Commissioner Hendricks rebutted & exhibited her road building expertise when she suggested (paraphrasing), "If we just put crowns on the roads, the water will run off and make ditches.". Yep, commissioner, we used to call that 'uncontrolled erosion". Of course, either option (building crowns and not cutting ditches where we want them or just cutting good ditches) would save us a bunch of money in grader time and/or rock hauling expenses! Talk about thoughtful, coherent planning.
Perhaps Micky Wunderlich had a more intelligent approach: Have the county commissioners stop micro-managing the road department... spend the money necessary to do the job right the first time, and let the road department do their jobs without daily interference & direction by individual commissioners who fancy themselves Master Roadbuilders.
of all the people I talked to that attended the meeting last night, you are the only one that heard the statement and took it that way. If you are so smart why did you not run for commissioners? It seems you hear what you want to hear and no more.
Quote from: proelkco on October 30, 2012, 03:53:00 PM
of all the people I talked to that attended the meeting last night, you are the only one that heard the statement and took it that way. If you are so smart why did you not run for commissioners? It seems you hear what you want to hear and no more.
Well, the audio recording heard it too, so I don't know what to tell ya. Why do you want to make this about me? When I hear complaints at the cafe about an elected official, I don't hear a chorus of folks tell the one complaining to 'run for office'. I suspect most see the complaint as an exercise of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. It appears your personal interests in this thing are showing again, no?
I still say that Wunderlich has one really good idea: get two of our commissioners who think they are entitled to management & supervisory powers
apart from the commission to set policy
as a complete board and then get out of the way. We've already seen Mr. Liebau admit to such grossly inappropriate management with respect to dead trees at the courthouse, and I suspect there are more such cases.
If the board members, individually, are so good at building, fixing & maintaining roads, maybe they should resign their positions and apply for jobs on the road department.
Why do you have it in for Mrs.Hendricks? Why don"t yo go to work for the road department if you know so much? Again you are arrogant.
Right on Pro, I think you have Ross and Patriot figured out , and I know a lot of people agree with you.
I couldnt make it last night so I dont know what was said for sure ,but one think I do know is when Lackey frist started he had me and Todd cut from middle of the roads to build up side of roads ,that why we dont have crowns now.I bitched about that so was let go ,went to the commissioner meeting was told they were out of money,so had to lay people off ,but hired a new man day before.bring you back in the spring ,been waiting 3 years or more .What make me mad they hire people out of the county I know there are men and women here can do the job I keep putting my app. in sure it gets put in file 13 AKA trash can.Thats just part crap that goes on in road dept.
Quote from: proelkco on October 30, 2012, 04:52:20 PM
Why do you have it in for Mrs.Hendricks?
You assume much. I don't "have it in" for Hendricks, or anyone else. I am, however, a voter & taxpayer here and have an expectation of good management (according to generally accepted principles) of this county by elected officials. If that seems unreasonable to you, then so be it. Since I'm not an elected official, perhaps the question should be why do you (and some of your cyber chums) have it in for me?
Quote from: proelkco on October 30, 2012, 04:52:20 PM
Why don"t yo go to work for the road department if you know so much?
I answered one of your questions, now you be honest enough to answer one of mine: What personal, familial or financial interest do you have in your support for either Mrs Hendricks or Mr Liebau.
Quote from: proelkco on October 30, 2012, 04:52:20 PM
Again you are arrogant.
There's a fine line between arrogance & confidence. It's sad you don't understand the difference. I'll avoid the your bait to engage in name calling, however.
I have no cyber chums and I do not have it in for you. I know the difference between arrogance and confidience, that is why you seem arrogant. As I have stated before my interest in the county is as a taxpayer. You always state negative things about the commissioners and never any thing positive, that is a put down for the county. As I have stated before I think all the commissioners do well and work hard for all of the people in the county.
Quote from: proelkco on October 30, 2012, 09:43:13 PM
You always state negative things about the commissioners and never any thing positive...
Always and never are pretty strong statements. Perhaps you should search my postings in re commission meetings where I have lauded all members of the commission for wise, conservative decisions. If they take more foolish, anti constitutional actions than the opposite, that's not my fault. If two of the three are more socialist leaning, then it is what it is. Karl Marx & B. Obama have also been described as 'doing well' & 'working hard' for all of the people they claimed to represent, as well. The real world outcomes of their efforts, however, left a lot to be desired. As will the 'progressive' leanings of our current county commission, IMO.
Quote from: proelkco on October 30, 2012, 09:43:13 PM
I do not have it in for you. I know the difference between arrogance and confidience, that is why you seem arrogant.
'Seeming' & 'being' (as a statement of fact) are two different things. Thanks for softening your view. If 'seeming' is your real view, then let's reason together to see if it's really arrogance or confidence that you are observing.
Quote from: proelkco on October 30, 2012, 09:43:13 PM
As I have stated before my interest in the county is as a taxpayer.
I didn't inquire about your interest in the county, I asked regarding what personal, familial or financial interest you have in your support for either Mrs Hendricks or Mr Liebau, the persons.
I have known all 3 commissioners and their families for numerous years and any taxpayer has financial interest. I am quite sure it is arrogance.
Quote from: proelkco on October 30, 2012, 10:56:42 PM
I have known all 3 commissioners and their families for numerous years and any taxpayer has financial interest. I am quite sure it is arrogance.
It's sad that you are obviously unwilling to debate facts. Perhaps this will help others understand your rigidity & need to assign negative personal labels: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14546.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14546.0.html)
I know this. Oldfart and Todd are the best blade operators I have seen maintain a road in Elk county. They do it quickly and correctly, when left to their own knowledge of what a road or ditch should be. It is not a good situation when the bosses don't know the why's and wherefore's, yet continue to act like they do and interfere with people doing their job correctly, while promoting botique ideas about how it should be done. Liebau and Lackey do excavating. Digging holes is quite different from building roads. Liz only knows what people tell her. Leave the road work to those who know how, and hire Oldfart back. He was good enough for Enel to hire to keep the roads smooth for them.
Konnnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau stated at a County Commissioners meeting that they don't micro-manage, but apparently he doesn't understand what that term means. And with Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks showing up on the jobs sites telling workers what to do that is exactly what the term micro-managing means.
Good job Konnected Kounty kommissioners!
Bull,
I don't travel many of the county gravel roads so I can't speak for how most are but I do travel the one between Longton and Flint Oak fairly regular and seems to me that Jim Gordon does an excellent job for what he has to work with. He walks and talks slow :D so I don't know if he works fast but more than once I've seen him out of the grader with a shovel and rock bar over hauling a big rock in the road bed
Quote from: Ross on October 31, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
Konnnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau stated at a County Commissioners meeting that they don't micro-manage, but apparently he doesn't understand what that term means. And with Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks showing up on the jobs sites telling workers what to do that is exactly what the term micro-managing means.
B I N G O !
According to the well established Fayol's Principles of Management, executives in an organization (commissioners in this case) set policy and provide the means (money, equipment, people & materials) necessary to accomplish a mission. They then employ and hold accountable managers, supervisors and workers to plan,schedule and work to get the mission accomplished. When the top executives micro-manage, they foster confusion & frustration in the workforce... they destroy morale. Good executives and managers understand things like Span of Control, Specialization of Labor, Unity of Command & Authority, Subordination of Personal Interests, and others. Not understanding & properly applying these standards has often been shown to result in failure of the mission and the organization.
If you want to see real examples of this in action... have an honest private discussion with a few county employees and then look at our buildings, roads, projects, finances, reports and other 'end results'. Just like the Federal government in many ways... epic F A I L.
Lattice is much better, and much more employee idea friendly.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
Lattice is much better, and much more employee idea friendly.
Spoken like a true Agenda 21 Smart Growth proponent. Not to say that 'team efforts' don't have their place, but really... at the county executive level & throughout government? Red may be right... capitalist & Constitutionalist at the core you aren't.
Fayol's isn't just for Gov't. I assumed you knew that.... Better go back and study it again. Reeks of communism ,just ask Red. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'll add this much, when working men are left alone and work as a team a lot more work gets done and better!
A supervisor on the job harassing the working man usually, results in a work slow down and then when that supervisor turns his back the men have something to stand around and talk about. Of course the supervisor is what they let off steam about!
Right now, I have three young men working building a 30' X 50' X 12' barn for my horses. These three young men came to work at day break - no supervisor. They like what they do and they do it well as a team. They started yesterday and will be finished today - and no supervisor! Let me repeat - no supervisor! I called their boss and raved about these three young men.
I had a crew of 7 out here a couple of years ago building the same size barn that had a supervisor and it took them a week.
They did not enjoy their work like these three that are working here today. The 7 man crews work was no where as good as the three men that are here today. I complained to the company these seven worked for and they ended up with out a job, I guess the company had one too many complaints.
I was a working supervisor of apprentices in the shipyard and I did not stand over them like other supervisors did. I told them if they ran into a problem to let me know. I got triple the work out of them, that the other supervisor's did, because I showed them that I had faith and trust in them and I treated them good simply by staying out of their way.
I can attest to the fact that a supervisor can cause bad morale in the worker, my supervisors were not allowed by me to harass my workers.
Some supervisors, forget what it is like to be a working man and others have no experience, actually doing any physical work. And they also tend to forget some of the expertise of some occupations.
That's a nice philosophy, Ross. Why don't you try it with the county commissioners?
Guess this sounds like the Road & Bridge Department with 'the extra' expertise?
Ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on October 31, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
... 'the extra' expertise?
Ready
Methinks you nailed that one, Ready.
Quote from: Wilma on October 31, 2012, 03:41:30 PM
That's a nice philosophy, Ross. Why don't you try it with the county commissioners?
They are reading this!
You can count on that, at least two of them!
All I have asked of the Konnected Kounty kommissioners is some honest answers to some honest questions!