Sometimes you have to wonder...
There has been a borer disease affecting some conifer trees in Kansas for some time. I think this has been written about in papers across the state. I believe that no satisfactory cure has been found.
In more news from the Sept 10, 2012 Elk County Commission meeting, there's this...
There are two or three cedar trees in the courthouse lawn that are seriously diseased, if not dead. It would appear these trees are suffering the terrible problems previously mentioned.
At any rate, the county commission came to a consensus in their August 27, 2012 meeting that the maintenance supervisor should cut down and remove these trees. They were deemed an eyesore and posibly harmful to other trees in the area. On Sept 10, the trees were still in place and Commissioner Ritz inquired as to why they had not been removed as agreed. Initially, there were no solid answers.
When the issue was pressed by Commissioner Ritz, it was discovered that after the August meeting decision had been made, Commissioner Liebau had taken it upon himself to privately instruct the maintenance supervisor NOT to remove the trees as agreed by the full commission. Apparently, Liebau thought that there was some possible chemical treatment that might 'save' the trees. Mr. Liebau had failed to mention this during meeting discussions in August.
Ritz continued to inquire as to how anyone should be able to so block acions already decided on by the full board. In a frustrated tone, Mr Liebau looked to the maintenance supervisor and said, "Oh hell, just cut the trees down, and I'll help ya!" Liebau offered no scientific evidence that these trees could be saved by any approved chemical treatment.
I understand the dead trees have since been, or are being, removed.
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Commissioner Ritz raises an interesting question.... by what authority (or sense of good management) does ANY single commissioner direct the daily operations of any county employee, absent an emergency or majority consensus or vote of the entire board. Doing so, it would seem, places employees in a very tough position. Do they follow Board policies & directions, or do the try and follow potentially conflicting directives of individual commissioners given away from the board setting.
For those with formal management training, this would violate one of the generally accepted foundational 14 principles of good management: Unity of Command. The idea that an employee should be responsible to one manager. In this case, that one manager would be the board as a group. Three commissioners all giving separate directions would seem to be a tough thing for any employee to live with. Have you ever had to please three bosses at one time? What did that do to morale & productivity?
Our county is run by a single board consisting of three people. Not three people each managing employees at their individual whim.
Could this explain some of the erratic movements some have reported concerning the road department? More to come on this issue, I'm sure.
Just more to consider as you ponder our county and the upcoming election.
as you are mulling that thought over,remember when they(the comissioners)passed the law that they will be in charge in the event that we have a national emergency.Keep that in mind when you are voting in November.
Quote from: upoladeb on September 13, 2012, 05:46:04 AM
as you are mulling that thought over,remember when they(the comissioners)passed the law that they will be in charge in the event that we have a national emergency.Keep that in mind when you are voting in November.
Great point, upoladeb. If this is how poorly the commission operates as a team with the small stuff on a daily basis... how will they operate as a cohesive team in times of emergency?
What is it we call a ball player who runs independently in a game? Hotdog. No, I don't think I want any hotdogs calling the shots during an emergency.
Why would your three commissioners be "calling the shots during a major emergency? Who is their back up? Why wouldn't your police and fire service people be doing it?
I know it's not the same there, but you don't have a state task force and national guard disaster agencies in association with the mayors, the governor and your version of our DEMA? All three of your commissioners could be uh, "unavailable" during a big emergency.
That's an awfully small team! Who would handle all the phone calls and public information? Not picking, just interested. We plan for terrorists, hurricanes, and tornadoes or water spouts to a smaller extent, because ours tend to be small and relatively short lived. OK, back to your trees.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
Why would your three commissioners be "calling the shots during a major emergency? Who is their back up? Why wouldn't your police and fire service people be doing it?
I know it's not the same there, but you don't have a state task force and national guard disaster agencies in association with the mayors, the governor and your version of our DEMA? All three of your commissioners could be uh, "unavailable" during a big emergency.
That's an awfully small team! Who would handle all the phone calls and public information? Not picking, just interested. We plan for terrorists, hurricanes, and tornadoes or water spouts to a smaller extent, because ours tend to be small and relatively short lived. OK, back to your trees.
I think it has to do with a thing called team management. In any case why would one want an out of the loop, hotdog involved in the process during a crisis? This isn't the real life version of Hollywierd's
Independence Day flick.
Even if FEMA were calling the shots, a renegade local official who 'had another idea' could sure muck a few things up or worse, cost lives.
Recognizing the limits on one's individual authority is critical in an emergency.
I don't know what kind of an emergency is being talked about here, but possibly the biggest emergency in Elk County was the tornado that took the life of a citizen. It was handled by the sheriff's department, volunteer storm spotters and the EMS. At that time it was customary for an off duty dispatcher to come in and help with the telephone calls, etc. Part time deputies were activated, etc. There was no need for the county commissioners to step in and take over. There were also, all the neighbors that the tornado missed, who immediately checked on their neighbors to see that everyone was all right and/or had whatever they needed. The citizens of Elk County do not wait for someone to take charge and tell them what to do. They do what is needed.
Quote from: Wilma on September 13, 2012, 01:24:51 PM
I don't know what kind of an emergency is being talked about here, but possibly the biggest emergency in Elk County was the tornado that took the life of a citizen. It was handled by the sheriff's department, volunteer storm spotters and the EMS. At that time it was customary for an off duty dispatcher to come in and help with the telephone calls, etc. Part time deputies were activated, etc. There was no need for the county commissioners to step in and take over. There were also, all the neighbors that the tornado missed, who immediately checked on their neighbors to see that everyone was all right and/or had whatever they needed. The citizens of Elk County do not wait for someone to take charge and tell them what to do. They do what is needed.
Wilma we're probably talking something pretty big. With the newfound powers of FEMA & the feds, a lot of things have changed over the years. Our Emergency Management Director could probably add some perspective. Ultimately, this was about any single commissioner (emergency or not) who thinks so much of themselves and so little of the rule of law that they boldly override the decisions of the entire board and/or try to be a 'stand alone' manager outside the board. I understand there's a quite a bit of that in these parts. Really poor management to say the least.
Southern pine beetles have attacked pine trees in this area and they introduce a fungus which grows in the tunnels they make. The two of them together kill the tree. No remedy for them but to cut the tree down quickly before they spread to adjacent trees and do the same. I don't know if they attack cedars though. I haven't heard of it.
It would seem to me the commissoners would consult our county extension agent about it.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 01:46:53 PM
...No remedy for them but to cut the tree down quickly... I don't know if they attack cedars though. I haven't heard of it.
From what I've read, no. Just pines. Perhaps that's why the commission ordered them removed... instead of treated.
It would appear that Liebau likes to run the show, doesn't it ? Put this incident together with the concrete/rock deal , and..... ::)
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Put this incident together with the concrete/rock deal , and..... ::)
All other ground is sinking sand.
(No offense to Christians intended)
Thanks Wilma! That's much more like what I would have expected. Local trained people, followed, in our case, by Red Cross and The Salvation Army.
We have our own local Mass Casualty Incident (MCI) Teams made of everyone you would expect to be involved, including dive teams, the local power companies and the local CERTs who can be called out too.The fire chief, in whose district the incident happened, is in charge, and after initial evaluation starts calling out for dispatch to execute whatever level emergency it is, and that starts automatic preplanned dispatches.
As far as our little tornadoes, neighbors are always first and best and almost always include some volunteer fire fighters who live near by. We've had three verified so far this summer, with some very damaging straight line wind storms too. Our hurricane season doesn't really end until November, so we still have our fingers crossed.
Fortunately, we have the U D Aggies for such things, but the county extension agents are usually very well informed.
I think that's a new record, Diane. Congratulations! It only taken you 31 hours to try and derail this thread with some irrelevant, east coast, lefty liberal, self centered, BS! I, for one, don't give a rats ass about your little corner of libbyland.... college edumacated at UD or not. Poke. poke.
Now, about good management and the rule of law. (follow the bouncing ball.... it's not difficult)
I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE...DON'T READ MY POSTS! >:( Too educated...move on... not to your comprehension level...move on. Boring? Move on.... Short attention span? Move on. BUT....
You aren't the only one who reads these posts and some of you wander off topic worse than I do. Save yourself for the really important stuff, like wine making and bunkers. :o
Thar she blows ! :o Out there wandering around behind the little animals, sittin on her sack of seeds. :laugh:
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 02:49:51 PM
Thar she blows ! :o Out there wandering around behind the little animals, sittin on her sack of seeds. :laugh:
LMAO
Very funny.... OK, this is off subject but....Hey Patriot! Who wrote this?
A Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about? :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 02:56:58 PM
Very funny.... OK, this is off subject but....Hey Patriot! Who wrote this?
A Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about? :angel:
Samuel Clemens
Very good, ya get the gold star.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Very good, ya get the gold star.
Well Ms Blazing Saddles....
<best hispanic accent>
Stars? We don't need no stinking stars.
OK, you lose. The ones I give out now are 24 karat gold.Too bad. Back to your trees.
Quote from Diane
. Save yourself for the really important stuff, like wine making and bunkers.
Here I sit minding my own business and then get drug into this---Don't deny it---I know you meant me---and it really hurts my feelers !!!!
Patriot, you should know by now, silly boy, that when she asks how things are done in Elk county, she already has a rant typed out telling how it's done there---or is it their---or they're ?
Quote from Diane:
What did you do in San Antonia?
Is that a suburb of San Antonio? Perhaps it's that baaaaad ol computer again. Now before you rip me a new one about my mis-spelled words and all---just remember I have never repeatedly bragged about being highly educated---or even being educated at all.
Quote from Diane:
Bull. If I went to a party where marijuana was being smoked, I'd have to leave or go outside
I'll bet every time you walked into the door at a party that everyone--including the dogs and cats, lit up a big doobie
You still haven't figured out aht I;ve been doing have ya? ;D ;D ;D. just ben having fun. and I've walked through a few doors, but never "into" one, luckily. At some point you'll all figure out what i've been doing today, but the missing c really was the computer. End of day I tell ya what';s been going on.
NOW BACK TO YOUR TREES!!!!!
Quote from Diane :
End of day I tell ya what';s been going on.
Oh please---pleasee--pleaseeee tell me now---I can't wait.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 03:44:19 PM
NOW BACK TO YOUR TREES!!!!!
Why on earth would we want to leave this little wonderland tour you've manipulated us into. You've often bragged in the past about your manipulative skills. About your ability to 'lead' folks where you want them to go. You pied piper, you. We c what you're (your) doing. And we would rather follow your sour pipes and let you get it out of your liberal, language twisting system. So, by all means, weave us another tale. Tell us more of gold stars & fiction writers & your elite education. We're hooked now, so please carry on. We can always discuss serious matters that effect the citizens of Elk County another day. Think of this tour as a local mirror of your friend Obama playing the fiddle as Rome burns.
So, please press on. We're all aglow waiting for your next tale from the hallowed borders of Dinkyware. :D
I think she walked through the same door as Alice. Guess the mushrooms are on her OK list. :P
Fine, then I won't bother and you can think as mean as you want. It was for my benefit anyway, not yours. That last was so disgusting as to not even deserve a rebuttal.
Now when Kansas takes it into its head to start combining things again perhaps Elk County will evaporate all together, then where will you be? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 04:09:30 PM
I think she walked through the same door as Alice. Guess the mushrooms are on her OK list. :P
Or maybe she walked into a tree infested with the southern pine beetle........ or sat on a pine cone. Perhaps we could get her to tell us about the dangers of smoking pine needles! I'm sure the volunteer fire departments in Delaware have experience with that.
(http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/278.gif) < Can't wait for class to start.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 04:19:04 PM
Now when Kansas takes it into its head to start combining things again perhaps Elk County will evaporate all together, then where will you be?
My guess would be parts in Butler, Wilson, Greenwood, Montgomery and/or Chautauqua... and as long as we continue doing what we've done for the last 10 or20+ years, we're liable to end up in that boat! Thanks for helping us speed along to a different path... NOT.
Guess some people can "poke poke " but can't take being poked , er smoked , by those with more of a sense of humor.
( I feel sorry for that pine cone ) :P
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 04:27:30 PM
Guess some people can "poke poke " but can't take being poked , er smoked , by those with more of a sense of humor.
( I feel sorry for that pine cone ) :P
(http://www.websmileys.com/sm/fingers/fing10.gif)
Hey, I went along with the poking and such for a very long time. Now it's changing back to a personal attack, and the humor isn't there,it's just ridicule.
When you start making up lies about things I've said, I'm done. I've got to go get dinner started anyway.
Since laughter is the best medicine, I'm good for the flu season now. ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
Hey, I went along with the poking and such for a very long time. Now it's changing back to a personal attack, and the humor isn't there,it's just ridicule.
You know, I lived with a woman for a dozen years who was eventually diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder (bless her poor distressed soul), and eventually had to resign myself to one approach to her loving/loathing cycles that might work here....
Please go take your meds, and let me know when the real you can come out & play.
And , Diane, when you are ready to come down from that ego trip, we'll be here to talk you down, really we will. 8)
Ritz was right on to ask that simple question. Unfortuantely someone's toes got stepped on (Mr. Libeau's).
That yellow flags me that if I was part of the team, as in a natural disater, the Disaster Management Person is the lead, and the commissioners are his gophers. I have been in that situation, and a pompous ass who is not the designated person leading is NOT who one wants in charge. FEMA will have their way with all of you.
If this attitude starts with lone pine trees, lawd help you all....I agree what about other areas he just might pull his weight on!
ready
I am trying to figure out the lay of the land being new to the forum. I see a lot of petty bickering and name calling. So let me maybe get off topic and be petty with the rest of you. The topic is on cutting down a diseased tree and you all are making it into a big deal. You all have too much free time on your hands! You all need to go outside and play. You spend too much time on the computer. Sorry, for the poor intro. but you all are really petty and mean to each other. Thought I would join the club for one post.
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2012, 07:04:50 PM
In more news from the Sept 10, 2012 Elk County Commission meeting, there's this...
There are two or three cedar trees in the courthouse lawn that are seriously diseased, if not dead. It would appear these trees are suffering the terrible problems previously mentioned.
At any rate, the county commission came to a consensus in their August 27, 2012 meeting that the maintenance supervisor should cut down and remove these trees. They were deemed an eyesore and posibly harmful to other trees in the area. On Sept 10, the trees were still in place and Commissioner Ritz inquired as to why they had not been removed as agreed. Initially, there were no solid answers.
When the issue was pressed by Commissioner Ritz, it was discovered that after the August meeting decision had been made, Commissioner Liebau had taken it upon himself to privately instruct the maintenance supervisor NOT to remove the trees as agreed by the full commission. Apparently, Liebau thought that there was some possible chemical treatment that might 'save' the trees. Mr. Liebau had failed to mention this during meeting discussions in August.
Ritz continued to inquire as to how anyone should be able to so block acions already decided on by the full board. In a frustrated tone, Mr Liebau looked to the maintenance supervisor and said, "Oh hell, just cut the trees down, and I'll help ya!" Liebau offered no scientific evidence that these trees could be saved by any approved chemical treatment.
I understand the dead trees have since been, or are being, removed.
Our county is run by a single board consisting of three people. Not three people each managing employees at their individual whim.
Could this explain some of the erratic movements some have reported concerning the road department? More to come on this issue, I'm sure.
Just more to consider as you ponder our county and the upcoming election.
Fire Elk, Please go back and read what this thread is about. Yes, there's petty bickering and name calling, BUT the reason for this thread that Patriot started is to let everyone know about Commissioner Liebau going behind the backs of the other two commissioners and telling a county employee NOT to do something that was voted on by all THREE of them. Do WE as taxpayers and citizens of Elk County need a Commissioner who will undermine the authority of the group as a whole? No, I don't believe we do, but it's not up for just me to decide. These things are coming to light at the right time when this county will go to the polls in less than two months and vote to either re-elect the same ole same ole or elect someone with new thoughts and ideas to replace them. I would hope that the people of this county will vote to elect someone with integrity and common sense and not vote to re-elect those who only have agendas for themselves.
The Shadow Knows................It's time for some NEW leadership!
Kent
Shadow, I am well aware of what the topic is on this thread. I still stand by my statements.
Well, FireElk, you asked why people are making a big deal out of cutting down a diseased tree. That was NOT what the thread was started for; that was only a part of the discussion. The bigger problem at hand is the fact that a commissioner told a county employee NOT to do something that was voted and agreed to. Therefore, I don't believe you are well aware of what the topic is on this thread, if you are still going to stand by your statement of "why people are making a big deal out of cutting down a diseased tree." You may be new to the forum, but look at any topic in the Politics section and you will see petty bickering and name calling. That's what happens when one person believes they are right and someone else believes they are wrong. Pretty simple. Nothing new.
Kent
Quote from: the shadow on September 13, 2012, 07:56:49 PM
Well, FireElk, you asked why people are making a big deal out of cutting down a diseased tree. That was NOT what the thread was started for; that was only a part of the discussion. The bigger problem at hand is the fact that a commissioner told a county employee NOT to do something that was voted and agreed to. Therefore, I don't believe you are well aware of what the topic is on this thread, if you are still going to stand by your statement of "why people are making a big deal out of cutting down a diseased tree." You may be new to the forum, but look at any topic in the Politics section and you will see petty bickering and name calling. That's what happens when one person believes they are right and someone else believes they are wrong. Pretty simple. Nothing new.
Kent
Kent I did not ask why people are making a big deal out of cutting down diseased tree. (your words not mine.) Go back and read my post. I told you my thoughts, I did not ask any questions. I stand by my original thoughts. Don't make up words for me that I never posted.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 13, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
I am trying to figure out the lay of the land being new to the forum. I see a lot of petty bickering and name calling. So let me maybe get off topic and be petty with the rest of you. The topic is on cutting down a diseased tree and you all are making it into a big deal. You all have too much free time on your hands! You all need to go outside and play. You spend too much time on the computer. Sorry, for the poor intro. but you all are really petty and mean to each other. Thought I would join the club for one post.
My mistake. I am old. "The topic is on cutting down a diseased tree and you all are making it into a big deal." You did not ASK. I stand corrected. I explained why it is a big deal. I stand by my thoughts as well. Goodnight. Time for this old codger to get to bed.
Kent
Kent Goodnight, you princes of Maine. You kings of New England, and you old codgers of Elk County.(Misquoted from The Cider House Rules) :laugh:
I look forward to talking to you again even if we disagree.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 01:46:53 PM
Southern pine beetles have attacked pine trees in this area and they introduce a fungus which grows in the tunnels they make. The two of them together kill the tree. No remedy for them but to cut the tree down quickly before they spread to adjacent trees and do the same. I don't know if they attack cedars though. I haven't heard of it.
It would seem to me the commissoners would consult our county extension agent about it.
Actually bullwinkle, thats not true. Being one that lived and was rasied in southern pine beetle area there is a treatment for it but its not cheap. You have to spray from about 10' from the ground upwards into the branches of the pine and that will kill the beetle. Problem is that you have to do each tree with a truck you can't spray it from the air as it will not penetrate the branches.
The best way to manage pine beetle is to grow your pine ina chessboard pattern. black squares = pine and white squares = fallow land. The reason for this is if pine beetles break out you can cut down the affected area and keep them from spreading to the other areas whereas if they were planted in a continuous forrest they would just move.
Tons of ways to stop southern pine beetles. The other way is to plant 15 year crops, cause southern pine beetles dont' attack young pines they get the 15-30 year old pines. Thats why you don't find yellow pine much anymore they have devestated those species.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 04:09:30 PM
I think she walked through the same door as Alice. Guess the mushrooms are on her OK list. :P
Ohhh wheres the shrooms. :O i need some for my pizza.ooooohhhh love the colors!
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 13, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
I am trying to figure out the lay of the land being new to the forum. I see a lot of petty bickering and name calling. So let me maybe get off topic and be petty with the rest of you. The topic is on cutting down a diseased tree and you all are making it into a big deal. You all have too much free time on your hands! You all need to go outside and play. You spend too much time on the computer. Sorry, for the poor intro. but you all are really petty and mean to each other. Thought I would join the club for one post.
Quote from: the shadow on September 13, 2012, 07:20:18 PM
Fire Elk, Please go back and read what this thread is about.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 13, 2012, 07:26:28 PM
Shadow, I am well aware of what the topic is on this thread. I still stand by my statements.
Fire, to the casual reader, you appear to be standing by statements that contradict reality. Either you do know what the theme of this thread was about, or you don't. As the person who started it, I'll clarify: It is NOT about tree cutting. Sorry you misunderstood. I did go outside, and this thread reflects another of many instances of foolish leadership I've observed on the playground of public policy.
But, Skruz, once the fungus is in , the tree's a goner. ( according to Auburn U.)
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 14, 2012, 08:08:34 AM
But, Skruz, once the fungus is in , the tree's a goner. ( according to Auburn U.)
And, Steve, one honest look at the trees in question would answer most questions.... the same goes for the commissioner involved.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 14, 2012, 08:08:34 AM
But, Skruz, once the fungus is in , the tree's a goner. ( according to Auburn U.)
well no shit on that, when the pine beetles bore they girdle the water carrying layers thus cutting off hydration to the top of the tree. The fungus then grows and clogs up the rest of the layers that transport water. NOTE that fungus cannot grow unless conditions are right therefor the pine beetle has to do its damage first before the fungus can gain control. The p;ine can't usually survive the dual attack.
You have to spray before its attacked. And when pine beetles infect the pines cut them down before they can spread elsewhere
You can kill the beetle at a certain point before it does irreparable harm. But most people don't pay attention. first sign of a infestion occuring is that you can hear them. The tree will make a squeek type sound from the bugs chewing
Quote from: Patriot on September 14, 2012, 08:13:08 AM
And, Steve, one honest look at the trees in question would answer most questions.... the same goes for the commissioner involved.
I haven't notice them before, don't pay any attention to the courthouse myself. but yeah you will know when the tree is toast. its not that hard to figure out. Especially when the bark starts coming off. when your needles are dead thats pine beetle. The tops will die first and end up dried up before the main trunk dies. ehh about the only thing you can do is mill it for some bug pine. IT looks rough but is fully useable but not store pretty.
I heard cedar being mentioned, they have their own problems here. ALl the cedar here has rust on it and bagworms cover them.
Must be the same squeek that Patriots heard at the commission meeting.
I don't know why anyone would worry about a pine tree. they are only good for one thing that is cutting down. make lumber out of them as fast as you can. The only thing they do is become projectiles in a high wind ice storm or tornado. Dang things are a pain ithe butt especially in winter when they sound like shotguns as they break and fall on top of your house.
I cut every single pine off my place back in ga, and milled it into lumber.
but then you can get your logs milled for .18 a bf now too
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 14, 2012, 08:40:59 AM
Must be the same squeek that Patriots heard at the commission meeting.
Squeek? Now tht's a new one. LOL
The first entry to this thread referred to these trees as cedar trees. Now they are pine trees. Which is it? Not that it makes any difference, but mostly they have been called pine trees which are killed by a beetle and there is nothing that can be done about it. Red cedars bear a rust disease that they share with apple trees, but I don't recall any of the trees being killed by it. It is just a nuisance. So which is it, pine or cedar?
My mistake, Wilma. They are pines, I believe. Pines, cedars or rocks, however, has no bearing on the real issues of this thread. If I had simply said 'trees' the problems of a rouge commissioner operating against the decisions of the entire board of commissioners would still have been the main point.
For folks who are more interested in trees than politics, perhaps this will serve as a starting point:
http://cjonline.com/news/2010-06-26/pine_tree_disease_infecting_region (http://cjonline.com/news/2010-06-26/pine_tree_disease_infecting_region)
If this is what killed our trees and, from that article, here's the cure: Officials urge owners of trees afflicted with pine wilt to combat its spread by cutting those trees down, while leaving no stumps, and burning the wood.
the bottom line to the thread is that if the proceedure was voted on and approve then no single commissioner has the authority to change the decision.
Excuse me, Pat. Rouge commissioner?
Quote from: Wilma on September 14, 2012, 11:43:32 AM
Excuse me, Pat. Rouge commissioner?
Yes, Webster's 3rd point: a mischievous person
Quotethe bottom line to the thread is that if the proceedure was voted on and approve then no single commissioner has the authority to change the decision.
That is it in a nutshell Steve! Although it did get cut down, what else is he telling other county workers to do outside of a commissioner's vote???
Pine or Cedar is moot at this point.
ready
I believe that was the point of the thread.
Quote from: Wilma on September 14, 2012, 11:43:32 AM
Excuse me, Pat. Rouge commissioner?
Must be the blood pressure meds, Wilma. LOL
Rogue, not rouge.... at least I hope rouge doesn't apply in this instance. ???
Pat, if I didn't make corrections before I post, mine would be the reddest face on the forum. Even then, some errors get past me.
To all the people concerned over this subject try calling YOUR commissioner and get an answer to what really transpired. Ritz, Hendricks, and Liebau are all in the phone book. Or you could e-mail Hendricks or Liebau since they have made their info available to all.
What really transpired is obvious. He overstepped his authority!
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:11:21 AM
To all the people concerned over this subject try calling YOUR commissioner and get an answer to what really transpired. Ritz, Hendricks, and Liebau are all in the phone book. Or you could e-mail Hendricks or Liebau since they have made their info available to all.
Or they could address the issue openly and honestly publicly right here.
Right?
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:11:21 AM
To all the people concerned over this subject try calling YOUR commissioner and get an answer to what really transpired. Ritz, Hendricks, and Liebau are all in the phone book. Or you could e-mail Hendricks or Liebau since they have made their info available to all.
I called Ritz, and he confirmed what I saw with my own eyes. It was a pointless call, but if it makes you feel better... ???
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:11:21 AM
To all the people concerned over this subject try calling YOUR commissioner and get an answer to what really transpired. Ritz, Hendricks, and Liebau are all in the phone book. Or you could e-mail Hendricks or Liebau since they have made their info available to all.
Or... you could ask any of the dozen or so folks that were at the public meeting and witnessed the discusson. Or, you could contact the clerk and make an open records request for the audio recording that was made by the clerk & should be archived according to the Kansas Open Records Act. Or... or... or.