We are no strangers to the Century 16 movie theater in Aurora, CO, where 12 people were killed last night.
It is situated in the parking lot of the Aurora Mall.
We saw our last movie there.
For the life of me I do not understand why folks would take their small children to a midnight screening of a movie.
While waiting for my CT scan this morning, I was watching all the news about this on the TV there. Just terrible and I agree.......why were there young children there? I understand this movie was rated PG-13! Why would the theater even allow small children in?
If I were a policeman it would take every ounce of energy and intestinal fortitude not to shoot the guy on the spot when he is armed.
Sorry, this stuff makes me angry.
Larryj
Totally sick bastard to do something like this.
Hope your CT turns out fine, Larry.
...Warph
Official: Shooting suspect was former med student
7-20-2012 AURORA, Colo. (AP)
A former medical student in a gas mask barged into a crowded Denver-area theater during a midnight showing of the Batman movie on Friday, hurled a gas canister and then opened fire, killing 12 people and injuring at least 50 others in one of the deadliest mass shootings in recent U.S. history.
When the gas began to spread, some moviegoers thought it was a stunt that was part of the "The Dark Knight Rises," one of the most highly anticipated films of the summer. They saw a silhouette of a person in the smoke near the screen, first pointing a gun at the crowd and then shooting.
"There were bullet (casings) just falling on my head. They were burning my forehead," Jennifer Seeger said, adding that the gunman, dressed like a SWAT team member, fired steadily except when he stopped to reload.
"Every few seconds it was just: Boom, boom, boom," she said. "He would reload and shoot and anyone who would try to leave would just get killed."
The suspect was taken into custody and identified by federal law enforcement officials as 24-year-old James Holmes. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Authorities did not release a motive. The FBI said there was no indication that the shooting is tied to any terrorist groups.
Holmes had an assault rifle, a shotgun and two pistols, a federal law enforcement official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation.
FBI agents and police used a hook and ladder fire truck to reach Holmes' apartment in suburban Denver, Aurora police Chief Dan Oates said. They put a camera at the end of 12-foot pole inside the apartment, and discovered that the unit was booby trapped. Authorities evacuated five buildings as they determine how to disarm flammable and explosive material.
Victims were being treated for chemical exposure apparently related to canisters thrown by the gunman. Some of those injured are children, including a 4-month-old baby who was released from the hospital.
Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania on ABC's "Good Morning America" said he didn't know yet if all the injuries were gunshot wounds. He said some might have been caused by other things such as shrapnel.
The movie opened across the world Friday with midnight showings in the U.S. The shooting prompted officials to cancel the Paris premiere, with workers pulling down the red carpet display at a theater on the famed Champs-Elysees Avenue.
President Barack Obama said he was saddened by the "horrific and tragic shooting," pledging that his administration was "committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people, and caring for those who have been wounded."
It was the worst mass shooting in Colorado since the Columbine High School massacre on April 20, 1999. Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at the school in the Denver suburb of Littleton, about 15 miles west of Aurora, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before killing themselves.
Friday's attack began shortly after midnight at the multiplex theater at a mall in Aurora, the state's third-largest city.
The film has several scenes of public mayhem — a hallmark of superhero movies. In one scene, the main villain Bane leads an attack on the stock exchange and, in another, leads a shooting and bombing rampage on a packed football stadium.
It was the final installment of the "Dark Knight" trilogy directed by Christopher Nolan, starring Christian Bale as Batman. The series has a darker tone than previous Batman incarnations. It is the follow-up to "The Dark Knight," which won Heath Ledger a posthumous Oscar for his searing portrayal of The Joker.
The gunman released a gas that smelled like pepper spray from a green canister with a tag on it, Seeger said.
"I thought it was showmanship. I didn't think it was real," she said.
Seeger said she was in the second row, about four feet from the gunman, when he pointed a gun at her face. At first, "I was just a deer in headlights. I didn't know what to do," she said. Then she ducked to the ground as the gunman shot people seated behind her.
She said she began crawling toward an exit when she saw a girl about 14 years old "lying lifeless on the stairs." She saw a man with a bullet wound in his back and tried to check his pulse, but "I had to go. I was going to get shot."
Witness Shayla Roeder said she saw a young teenage girl on the ground bleeding outside the theater. "She just had this horrible look in her eyes .... We made eye contact and I could tell she was not all right," Roeder said.
Police, ambulances and emergency crews swarmed on the scene after frantic calls started flooding the 911 switchboard, officials said. Officers came running in and telling people to leave the theater, Salina Jordan told the Denver Post. She said some police were carrying and dragging bodies.
Hayden Miller told KUSA-TV that he heard several shots. "Like little explosions going on and shortly after that we heard people screaming," he told the station. Hayden said at first he thought it was part of a louder movie next door. But then he saw "people hunched over leaving theater."
Officers later found the gunman near a car behind the theater. Oates said there was no evidence of any other attackers.
Holmes was a student at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in Denver until last month, spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery said. She did not know when he started school or why he withdrew.
At least 24 people were being treated at Denver area hospitals.
"Warner Bros. and the filmmakers are deeply saddened to learn about this shocking incident. We extend our sincere sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims at this tragic time," the studio said.
Unbelievably horrific!!!!!!!!!
So incredibly horrible. I was worried about a secondary and sure enough he had booby trapped his apartment. GRRRRR. As far as little ones in the audience....think about it. How old was the parent? A 17 year old kid "parent" might not have any more sense. Waldo, glad you and yours are alright, but I couldn't quite see you going to that opening. ;)
Perhaps the result of liberal educators ? Or just a nut job.
Seems a bit fishy to happen this close to an election. Now the polititians and the media making hay with it, gun control, pulling campaign ads, doesn't smell right to me. Just sayin.
Bad deal for the families.
If Obama gets reelected we will be in for a real battle to even own a firearm let alone carry it. I have my CC and I carry it as do my sons. If someone had been carrying in this Movie house maybe this idiot would not have killed as many innocent people.
Disinformation Continues as U.N. Arms Treaty Takes Shape
In New York this week, the U.N. Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty continued trying to draft a treaty to impose worldwide controls on small arms, including civilian-owned firearms.
The NRA has made clear its opposition to any treaty that includes civilian firearms, and continues to note that a majority of the United States Senate stands with American gun owners in opposition to such a treaty. We have led the effort to mobilize opposition to the treaty in Congress, and not only a bipartisan majority of the U.S. Senate, but also 130 House members, have voiced strong opposition to the treaty. Ignoring that reality, U.N. conferees are working to regulate not only civilian small arms, but also ammunition and firearm parts.
Anti-gun treaty proponents continue to mislead the public, claiming the treaty would have no impact on American gun owners. That's a bald-faced lie.
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New Federal Report Shows Right-to-Carry Boom
A new report this week by the U.S. Government Accountability Office confirms that the number of Americans exercising the right to carry firearms for personal protection is skyrocketing.
GAO investigators gathered information from state authorities nationwide about the number of permits issued, eligibility requirements for those permits, and the extent to which states recognize permits issued by other states. The researchers also conducted a more in-depth review of nine selected states. While information on eligibility requirements and reciprocity is easily available online (for example, on NRA-ILA's "Gun Laws" page), some of the statistical information in the report is remarkable.
With hard numbers or estimates from all but three of the 49 states that have laws allowing for issuance of carry permits, the GAO reports that there were about 8 million active permits in the United States as of December 31, 2011. That's about a million more than previous estimates by scholars.
Finally heard back from Cpl. Groves, my first squad leader in Nam. He lives 3 miles from the theater in Aurora. His grand-daughter had friends there but none of them were hurt--thankfully. I just can't fathom what goes on in a persons mind to walk into a theater and kill and wound so many innocent people. I do know what kind of punishment I would have for the deranged killer---and it includes det cord and blasting caps !! You need further explanation contact Warph---he can fill you in on the details.
I totally agree, Jarhead, but there would have to be some heavy pain inflicted before the det cord and caps. This guy gonna sit in some cell, getting his three squares a day while the lawyers and courts drag it out. Or, the courts will rule he was not in his right mind and put him in an institution, which is most likely. Someone should post pictures of those people he killed on the walls of his cell so he will be constantly reminded of them.
ARRRRRGGGGHHH!
Larryj
Larry,
Det cord around every other finger---and his genitals---then around his neck---by the time you get done with the first few he will have felt pain before the necklace is set off with a 5 minute fuse so he has time to think about his ill ways .
What is causing all of these murderous sprees, Doc ? I hear they blame it on violent movies and video games. I don't know. Hell we grew up watching the Three Stooges hit each other in the head with hammers and poke each other in the eyes and every Saturday night Matt and Paladin shot someone but that didn't make me want to go out and shoot a bunch of people.
So, Jarhead, what is the difference? Is there some connection here to fact and fiction? Do our young people no longer know the difference? Even when my children were little there was discussion as to the effect violent comic books or cartoons would have on young people. Even the babies were supposedly affected. Fairy tales were far too violent for young ears. Maybe there is too much of it available now. All they have to do is turn on the tube. It is right there in every show, even cartoons. But,---would it do any good to ban violence from the media? I wish someone had the answer.
I agree with you Jarhead. There is NO excuse for this!
One big difference , Wilma, is consequences. Not so long ago we hanged people here in Kansas for killing people, i.e. the Clutter family, which I believe was the last hanging. We also got swats in school for not behaving, the same at home or a little worse. And parents didn't have to fear the SRS if they diciplined their kids. The mother in this case knew his cheese was off the cracker, but so far no details of what she knew.
There have been many killers who acted just for the attention, so nothing is going to prevent such egotistical and devious action in these days of world events displayed on the web instantaneously. It's their five minutes of fame, or much longer usually.
I like the necklace, Jarhead, but a good old fashioned rope would save good ordinance. No trap door quick drop either, just slap the horse's ass and let him kick.
Oh, my, you have been watching old westerns again, haven't you?
ABC's Brian Ross Links Aurora, Colorado Mass Killer to Tea Party 7-20-12 IRRESPONSIBLE and DESPICABLE in light of such a human tragedy.
George Stephanopoulos, Good Morning America Anchor and Brian Ross,
ABC News Chief Investigative Correspondent without verification which
was easy to obtain, repeat the Tucson, AZ Gabby Giffords narrative
blaming the Tea Party.
Don't let that stupid stuff get under your skin. Those media people are in constant competition to up end the other networks, get in there first no matter what the accuracy and keep their bosses happy. It's their world and like it or not our brain cells have to edit out the garbage. Remember the old saw,"If it bleeds it leads?" Nothing has changed and now they have to fill 24 hours a day. Ignore it.
My personal opinion on this murderer, he is A #1 psychotic. It just took all these years to come out. So sorry for the loss that these families are experiencing and so sorry for the loss of our innocence. We have to quit being a society sitting around thinking someone else is going to take care of us. Stand up and fight!
He will be tried here in Centennial.
Centennial is not the county seat but all the county courts are here.
Some do gooders will try to intervene and prevent the prosecution from asking for the death penalty.
There are currently four people on death row in Colorado. I imagine all will die a natural death.
In cases like this I don't think you can fight back. He could just have easily thrown a bucket of gasoline across the first few rows and tossed a fusee into it and killed even more.
My personal feeling is that for his whole life his super intellect carried him along with easy grades, lots of awards and attention, until he started his Ph.D program where he was just one of a bunch of super intelligent young people. He's only 20. It wasn't easy anymore and he wasn't special any more. The profs really started to challenge him. He started having trouble and didn't know how to handle it. Superior intelligence isn't always accompanied by superior emotional maturity. He may have been expected to act much older than he is.
Why he chose this path we may never know. Sadly, he is also the typical age to start showing signs of schizophrenia. It often rears up in young adulthood. A terrible thing for all concerned. He must never see freedom again.
Waldo, you must have news vans everywhere. I suspect they'll be interviewing his third grade teacher any day.
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Jonathan Blunk, Matt McQuinn, and Alex Teves saved others' lives and lost their own.
Let us focus on and remember the heroes and celebrate them and their names. Matt McQuinn and Nick Yowler are two... they put themselves between the assassin and their girlfriend and sister Samantha, respectively. Matt didn't survive. Samantha and Nick did. Jarell Brooks is another hero.... helping save a mother and her child in the chaos, putting himself between the shooter and the women. He survived with a gunshot wound to the leg. There were others, just as there were at Tucson and Virginia Tech... think Liviu Librescu from Virginia Tech or Bill Badger in Tucson. These are the names to learn and to remember.
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends. Or his countrymen. We see it in terrorism, as we saw so famously on Flight 93 and in the World Trade Center, and we see it in every one of these criminally insane events. There is derangement in the world. Let us not forget it or neglect it. There is evil in the world, let us not forget it or neglect it. And there is love and heroism, too: Let us not forget or neglect that either. If these events are educational moments in anyway, this is what we need to learn.
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These smiling faces are the people whose lives were stolen in Aurora, CO. Don't give the bastard who took these lives any recognition. He is unworthy.
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In cases like this I don't think you can fight back. He could just have easily thrown a bucket of gasoline across the first few rows and tossed a fusee into it and killed even more.
He didn't have a bucket of accelerant so why shouldn't someone fight back ? This wasn't a damn training session and hypothetical situations. It was the real deal. Reports are he fired the shotgun first until it was empty, then unloaded a .40 cal pistol, then started in with the AR-15 until it jammed, at that point he left the theater. If someone, anyone , would have had a weapon why couldn't they have shot him ? He couldn't cover 360 degrees all the time . So he had on a bullet proof vest. A couple of .45 slugs would have knocked the shit out of him long enough to go up and head shoot the turkey. Also he was using armor piercing rounds, so the news says. They have little knock down power and a person can sometimes take several hits from them and just keep on coming. What would I have done if I was there ? I don't know. Maybe curl up in the fetal position and wait to be killed. I just don't know anymore, but I would like to think if I was any where close to him I would try my damndest to take him down. Reports say two sailor were killed too. I bet with their training if just one guy would rush the bad guy they would have rushed him too, unless they were already dead. I know your argument that if someone fired back at the punk they might of hit an innocent---but that is a lame argument to me . Yes, it would be tough to live with the thought you hit an innocent but if you saved a couple other people I bet they would thank you. This pacifist attitude is why these murderous sons a bitches know they can go into a crowd and murder people and walk away from it. And that, is my not so humble opinion.
You go, buddy, you go! I'm thinking the shock of anyone actually doing this slowed down any reaction other than protecting yourself or, as already pointed out, others.
Larryj
Damn well said, Jar. Too bad that someone didn't pop the SOB. If this had happened in AZ, chances are he wouldn't be walking around today! I wear mine just about everywhere I go. You never know what's out there.
Once again..Tuscon. It did happen! Lots of chances, but nobody pulled out their gun and took down the bad guy.
Some day there may need to be armed guards outside every public event and place of large gatherings. But will it help?
Pacifist? Me? Hardly! I've had the blood of many a shooting, some multiples, many fatal, some not. Some suicides, some accidental. It's not just hypothetical and training!
We've had flash back military holed up and had to stage until they could be secured. Not all ended well. Several were boyfriend took out ex girl friend, one shot her parents too. Some people were armed and fought back and still got shot. Some were taken down by the police, and we had to take care of the shooter as well as the shootee. Ended up handcuffed to the bottom cot rail and a cop sitting beside me. Sometime drugs and alcohol are involved too. One guy shot his own son at night. He was coming up on the back porch. Had one who was shot right through his apt. door as he unlocked it. A gun wouldn't have helped him. Thank God I never got called to one that big. Had some serious bus accidents with mass casualty but no big mass shootings.
Do you honestly think I don't know what I'm talking about? That's sad. Ya don't have to be in the military to deal with shootings. Unfortunately even some of them come home and still keep shooting. Now that breaks my heart. We are the most armed country in the world and see what we do to each other?
The Century 16 movie house built in 1998 contained a total of 3,400 seats.
Revenue generation was $6.6 million per year.
The complex remains closed in its entirety and there is some speculation that because of the prime location and the money generated that it may not permanently close.
However, I will not go there again. I would hope a lot of folks would feel that way. Hopefully, if it decides to remain open, maybe a lack of patronage will force it to close.
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Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 24, 2012, 11:30:11 AM
Once again..Tuscon. It did happen! Lots of chances, but nobody pulled out their gun and took down the bad guy.
Some day there may need to be armed guards outside every public event and place of large gatherings. But will it help?
Pacifist? Me? Hardly! I've had the blood of many a shooting, some multiples, many fatal, some not. Some suicides, some accidental. It's not just hypothetical and training!
We've had flash back military holed up and had to stage until they could be secured. Not all ended well. Several were boyfriend took out ex girl friend, one shot her parents too. Some people were armed and fought back and still got shot. Some were taken down by the police, and we had to take care of the shooter as well as the shootee. Ended up handcuffed to the bottom cot rail and a cop sitting beside me. Sometime drugs and alcohol are involved too. One guy shot his own son at night. He was coming up on the back porch. Had one who was shot right through his apt. door as he unlocked it. A gun wouldn't have helped him. Thank God I never got called to one that big. Had some serious bus accidents with mass casualty but no big mass shootings.
Do you honestly think I don't know what I'm talking about? That's sad. Ya don't have to be in the military to deal with shootings. Unfortunately even some of them come home and still keep shooting. Now that breaks my heart. We are the most armed country in the world and see what we do to each other?
WOW !! All that from being a grade school teacher several decades ago---and teaching CPR classes---and teaching the kiddies how to use a fire extinguisher--and doing fund raisers for a volunteer fire department---and still find time to campaign for BIG TIME candidates and hob knob with rich people ? I can't begin to compete with that so I'll just tuck my tail and quit posting because the playing field is not level. I'm done--over--kaput---unless a "voice ' tells me to post again---or someone "begs" me back because I'm the most interesting man in the world. Stay thirsty my friend.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 24, 2012, 11:30:11 AM
Do you honestly think I don't know what I'm talking about?
Now why in the world would you ask such a question ? Aw, lighten up---I'm just twisting your tail.
I started teaching in 1966, started riding the ambulance in 1969 ,started teaching EMT etc. part time in 1974 and didn't give up my EMT credentials until 2006. Did some firefighting too, of course.
I never taught "kiddies" to use fire extinguishers.They shouldn't be doing that. Now the guys who work on the docks and the men at the refinery at Delaware City and the school kitchen ladies, and the nursing home staff, yes. It's been a lot of years and I've had a chance to do a lot. It didn't just all happen last year. Why does that bother you? Oh, and I'm a good cook and gardener too. ;)
Stupid nitpicking doesn't get it. Everyone has their own agenda.
So.............the "voice" says don't stop posting.............I'm "begging."
Larryj
You are right Larry. This heat is getting to me. Making me want to kick some arse and I ant picky. I will go find ol Sarge today and take my frustrations out on him . :angel:
I have a brother who is a trauma surgeon, and he would be the last person to boast about what all he has done and seen.
Bad taste, Diane.
Don't leave us hangin, Marine. It don't mean nothin, not a thing.
:angel:? Should be >:(
I imagine ol Sarge is just as angry as the rest of us about all this. But, if it makes you feel better, you go ahead and kick.
Larryj
So I'm the one with bad taste? I get challenged and called a liar as if I've never done anything but sit at home and paint my nails...I explain and it's bad taste? I don't mean to seem to be boasting, I thought I was just answering Jar.
Steve talks abut all the things he's done and knows how to do and is an expert in ...is he boasting? I didn't think so, I just thought it was interesting. I didn't know it was a contest. If so, you all win. :'(
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 24, 2012, 11:30:11 AM
Once again..Tuscon. It did happen! Lots of chances, but nobody pulled out their gun and took down the bad guy.
Guns were pulled at Tuscon, Diane. In fact, one person ran to his pickup and got his shotgun but, it was a parking lot where everyone was on the same level and it was impossible to see what was going on up front. No one fired because of the fear of hitting innocent people.
So, I Know I Left You To Die And Everything, But Do You Want To Get Hitched?
by John Hawkins
http://www.rightwingnews.com/culture/so-i-know-i-left-you-to-die-and-everything-but-do-you-want-to-get-hitched/
There have been some stories of tremendous heroism that have come out of the Batman shootings in Aurora, Colorado. Not one, not two, but three different men died shielding their girlfriends from James Holmes. Then there's Jamie Rohrs...
Jamie Rohrs, of Aurora, Colorado, took his girlfriend Patricia Legarreta to a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises," as you might expect many boyfriends did as a date. In fact, in a mildly kind gesture, he also brought both Legarreta and her two young children.
But then the shooting which has rocked the nation happened, and Mr. Rohrs demonstrated that, far from being kind, he actually might be exactly the wrong person for someone to date. According to reports, Mr. Rohrs not only didn't try to protect his girlfriend or her children, but he actually rushed for the exit and got into his car, leaving them behind.
Fortunately for Leggareta, there was someone in the theater who was willing to try and help them – a 19-year-old college student named Jarell Brooks who escorted her and her children to the exit, where miraculously enough, the Leggaretas escaped the shooting virtually unharmed. Brooks, however, took a bullet to the leg.
Which brings us back to Mr. Rohrs. Despite his earlier show of cowardice, or perhaps because of it, Rohrs found his girlfriend and her kids at the hospital, and once there, he made the rather counterintuitive move of proposing marriage to Leggareta. And rather than slapping him for leaving her there, she apparently said, "Yes."
Wow. Just wow. Incidentally, after doing some more research, it's actually even worse than that.
Rohrs said he lost his 4-month-old son, Ethan, in the darkness and chaos of the theater, but got out himself. Then, once outside, he could not initially find Legarreta.
"I got to my truck and I drove across the mall," Rohrs added. "I'm going to call 911 and trying to call Patricia and it's just ringing, and every time it rings I'm like they're dead, they're dead, your whole family is dead."
Yes, Rohrs left Legarreta, her kids, and his own 4 month old baby in the theater and drove off without having the slightest idea of whether they were alive or dead while another man helped save their lives — and now they're going to get married? I make it a practice never to tell anyone whether I think they should get married or divorced, but it's hard to see how a relationship could survive that sort of thing long-term. Best of luck to them, because they're going to need it to make that work.
Warph...Tuscon, yes I know, that was exactly my point. It isn't as easy to get off a safe a shot in real life as it is in our heads. I keep hearing people say what they would do and it rarely ever works out that way.
I feel bad for the military people in the theater. I suspect they wish they could have done more, even having done as much as they did. Definitely some very heroic actions there. As far as the other guy. Who takes a 4 month old to Batman? Did he figure the kid would just sleep through it? Everybody enjoy hearing a crying baby if he woke up? I just shook my head.
I hope this is my final input on the matter but all I was trying to covey is all the infantry training manuals back in my day said "when ambushed---assault immediately". It worked 40 + years ago and probably still does today. I have been on the receiving end of an in-experienced leader screaming "ambush, left--get down" which we all obeyed and what did it get us ? Pinned down !!!!
Who is manning the President's teleprompters anyway ? Fire that turkey. Using the Aurora massacre to ramp up his anti gun feelings he said today that AK-47s belong in the hands of our military. Uh Mr. President, it's your hero's that use AK-47s---our military use the M-16. The murderer in Aurora had an AR-15---not an AK-57 !!!
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Who is manning the President's teleprompters anyway ?
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LIke I've always said when it comes to firearms (or any weapon for that fact) practice, practice, and more practice...and for the love of halfcock aim SMALL!! If you can't put 3 rounds in a circle the size of a quater at 25 yards (handgun) then keep training.
Take the idiot in colorado. Started with the shotgun first, this was a mistake if he was looking for a high body count. Pistol first, then the shotgun then the AR.
One person with a well placed shot could have stopped this. And I don't give a damn what anyone says guns are not the problem. If they ever decide to try and take that freedom from us...well I wouldn't want to be the first couple of jackboots to come through my door.