....after 20 weeks heads to governor.
The measure, passed in the state House of Representatives by a 37-22 vote, would bar healthcare professionals from performing abortions after 20 weeks, except in the case of a medical emergency. The bill now goes to the state's Republican governor for approval.
Georgia lawmakers approved a similar bill in March that now awaits the signature of Republican Gov. Nathan Deal.
This from the far-left rag ms/nbc:http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/10/11127367-arizona-bill-to-ban-abortions-after-20-weeks-heads-to-governor?lite
Pro-choice is a civil rights issue. Civil rights has clouded this country and should never replace liberty.
Quote from Redcliffsw :
Civil rights has clouded this country and should never replace liberty.
Red, Now we are back on the same trail . :D
What about women's liberty? ???
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 11, 2012, 11:27:33 AM
What about women's liberty? ???
Women's liberty? Careful, your liberal feminist roots are showing. In any case, try this.....
1. Reverse Roe v. Wade.
2. Return the abortion debate/legislation to the states (it's not a fed power/issue enumerated in the Constitution).
3. Let women exercise the liberty to go have abortions in states or countries that allow it.
The 'liberty' of which you speak is not best mandated by the federal government.
And what of liberty for men? Last time I checked, it takes 2, in some fashion, to make a pregnancy.
Perhaps one of the best exercises of liberty is for both male & female to make the 'choice' keep their pants on.
Yup, that's what choice means too, as far as I'm concerned.The choice not to have sex.
And when the husband says "I'm not getting stuck with a severely retarded kid"...That's a real quote by the way. That's a really ratty position to put his wife in. Abort or divorce. When it comes to women's reproductive rights, yer darn tootin' I'm a liberal feminist!
For rape and incest and very young girls whose bodies aren't really ready for it, preemie, underweight babies and girls with no prenatal care can produce very high risk unhealthy sick babies.
The Gov't is going to have to pay for them anyway.... They wind up in institutions. It's so sad.They don't have lines of people willing to adopt them! Any Gov't has no business getting into it, period. It's between the female and her doc, if there is one at all.
Yeah, you're a liberal. There's absolutely no question about that. You're a supporter of the government
getting into the lives of people.
Quote from: redcliffsw on April 12, 2012, 05:38:09 AM
Yeah, you're a liberal. There's absolutely no question about that. You're a supporter of the government
getting into the lives of people.
Well, in this area, I'm also Diane's kind of liberal, except I'm a supporter of the government
staying out of the lives of people - including abortion rights.
How's that an "exception"?
Are you for Elk Konnected? If so, that's certainly supportive for the government being into folks' lives.
Red, I said "any Gov't has no business getting into it, period." That's my direct quote!
You are one kind of insecure,clueless conservative..you just LIE about what people really say. Are you now going to pollute every thread with this EK business? What does EK have to do with Arizona abortions? Are you some how illiterate or just a bully? At what level is your reading comprehension anyway. You don't seem to understand what many people really write.You try to manipulate things into what isn't there. What a waste. Rick Santorum's crazy lies just sunk his pitiful campaign. So go you?
Now I'm really pissed! I may have to break my own rule and call you some slimy names.
I'm a moderate Independent and we hate downright liars! I want as little Gov't as is necessary to keep our country working smoothly and keep us safe from our enemies, especially those who are rotting this country from the inside, whoever they may be.
Fortunately there are only a few like you, hopefully an endangered species. Just how low are you willing to go to hide behind your version of liberty? It's only for those who are a cookie cutter version of you? I thought everybody had rights and free speech here.
You are so determined to label me liberal you'll even lie to do it and that is so sad. I have no problem with conservatives in general and agree with a lot, but, I'll make an exception in your case. Some "citizen" you are. Now Patriot can jump in to "protect" you. What kind of wuss does he think you are? If you so much an obstructionist,no wonder you think you get treated unfairly. According to your kind, nobody anywhere can do anything right, so why would they bother? Try some honey for a change, your sour vinegar isn't working. I'm done. ::)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 12, 2012, 11:43:54 AM
Red, I said "any Gov't has no business getting into it, period." That's my direct quote!
You are one kind of insecure,clueless conservative..you just LIE about what people really say. Are you now going to pollute every thread with this EK business? What does EK have to do with Arizona abortions? Are you some how illiterate or just a bully? At what level is your reading comprehension anyway. You don't seem to understand what many people really write.You try to manipulate things into what isn't there. What a waste. Rick Santorum's crazy lies just sunk his pitiful campaign. So go you?
Now I'm really pissed! I may have to break my own rule and call you some slimy names.
I'm a moderate Independent and we hate downright liars! I want as little Gov't as is necessary to keep our country working smoothly and keep us safe from our enemies, especially those who are rotting this country from the inside, whoever they may be.
Fortunately there are only a few like you, hopefully an endangered species. Just how low are you willing to go to hide behind your version of liberty? It's only for those who are a cookie cutter version of you? I thought everybody had rights and free speech here.
You are so determined to label me liberal you'll even lie to do it and that is so sad. I have no problem with conservatives in general and agree with a lot, but, I'll make an exception in your case. Some "citizen" you are. Now Patriot can jump in to "protect" you. What kind of wuss does he think you are? If you so much an obstructionist,no wonder you think you get treated unfairly. According to your kind, nobody anywhere can do anything right, so why would they bother? Try some honey for a change, your sour vinegar isn't working. I'm done. ::)
No lady diane, I don't need to protect him, or anyone else. I will, however, point to the bolded items above as clear proof that your goddess of liberal 'tolerance & diversity' is a complete farce & you, lady, appear to be a hypocrite. As for breaking your own rules... liberal feminists don't subscribe to any rules other than the ends justifies the means. As for my thinking red is a wuss? Keep your meddling, psychobabble driven analysis to yourself.
Dear readers,
Please notice lady diane's unhinged comments above, and also the left's reaction generally on a national scale as more and more we see conservatives unwilling to cower to the liberal name calling and demands to let the elites engineer society. I believe their inability to live up to their stated moral codes of peace, love, diversity and tolerance is based on their replacement of God with a relativist and secular humanist approach to life. In short, they worship themselves & their self made idols and can not tolerate any opposition of ideals. For decades the liberals have told conservatives to sit down & shut up or risk being attacked as racists, women haters, intolerant, homophobes or some other pejorative. We are seeing conservatives in recent months begin to stand up against such attacks. Liberal elitists hate that. I'm finding that independent moderates aren't much different.
But, what more should we expect from spoiled elite children who actually believe that they can rule all of creation like cartoon superheros who will control the climate, save every creature, stop all land erosion, eliminate all disease with some magic one-size-fits-all preventative formula, eliminate all fossil fuels and accomplish a plethora of other noble godlike goals if only given enough power, control & other peoples money... All while aggressively advocating the abortion of their own species en masse and calling such self extinction a 'choice.' There's only one word to describe such people: Godless.
Here's what the God worshiped by many conservatives has to say:
KJV
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Dear other readers, please notice who took the bait! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Of what use is all that supposed intelligence when it is used to try to beat down other people and make them feel bad about themselves?. I stood up for myself for once. I didn't put up with it and it feels pretty good. Get over yourself! Ya ain't that wonderful. I put on my big girl undies and gave it right back for once.
I don't know how anyone in their right mind could put up with you (plural) day in and day out.
There is nothing "unhinged" about calling out a liar. Red lied...why are you defending him? Are all conservatives liars? or only when certain mean ones think they have something to gain...preferably at someone elses expense. As far as your tirade, consider you are speaking to and about yourself. Some of what you wrote makes no sense at all and isn't on any topic, just ranting mindlessly.
You think you've got me all figured out. Sorry, so wrong, Mr. bully. I don't tolerate bullies on the playground and I'm not going to here either. I know lots of " real" conservatives in several states, including Kansas, who would never consider acting to other people as you do, no matter what their political affiliation. They would want nothing to do with extremists like you. Some sweet southern attitude you have! Fake! Bah! Go talk to your mirror and you'll have an audience. Phooey. I think you are really a closet homo- sapiens, so there! Bible verses? Oh puleeze!Those have nothing to do with anything here.Very low. Cha ching! Sorry you lose.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 12, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
Bible verses? Oh puleeze!Those have nothing to do with anything here.Very low. Cha ching! Sorry you lose.
Have nothing to do with anything here?? WOW!
They have EVERYTHING to do with this topic! It was the secularist humanist worldview tht brought this country to the pitiful state it is now in. Liberals love to spout off about how abortion is a "womans rights" issue, but they couldn't be more wrong! Abortion is nothing more then the state sanctioned slaughter of unborn people. Done in the most horrorific and, quite frankly, demonic ways possible. Abortion should be illegal regardless of the circumstance surrounding conception because God doesn't make ANTHING without a purpose. Abortionists and those that support a "womans' Right" to abort are no better than the nazis resposnible for the MURDER of over 6 million jews. Yes it is a tired analogy but it fits.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 12, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
Dear other readers, please notice who took the bait!
Bait? That pretty much says it all. You, like so many other libs see this all as a sporting game. Whatever. I'm sure injured troops across this country are thrilled to have paid so dearly to defend your right to be a fool.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 12, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
Of what use is all that supposed intelligence when it is used to try to beat down other people and make them feel bad about themselves?
From your statements directed at red above and in this post, it appears that you are the one doing the beating
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 12, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
I stood up for myself for once. I didn't put up with it and it feels pretty good. Get over yourself! Ya ain't that wonderful. I put on my big girl undies and gave it right back for once.
By gollly you sure did, and we're all impressed, I'm sure.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 12, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
You think you've got me all figured out. Sorry, so wrong, Mr. bully. I don't tolerate bullies on the playground and I'm not going to here either. I know lots of " real" conservatives in several states, including Kansas, who would never consider acting to other people as you do, no matter what their political affiliation.
The operative parameter there would be 'other people'. And we should tolerate bullying from you? Double standard? As for 'figuring you out', why would anyone want to bother?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 12, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
They would want nothing to do with extremists like you. Some sweet southern attitude you have! Fake! Bah! Go talk to your mirror and you'll have an audience. Phooey. I think you are really a closet homo- sapiens, so there! Bible verses? Oh puleeze!Those have nothing to do with anything here.Very low. Cha ching! Sorry you lose.
Lady Di has spoken..... as articulately as she knows how. We extremists must surely consider her highness' words carefully, before disregarding them completely. BTW, Bible verses seem at the very least as authoritative as any drivel you've come up with.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 11, 2012, 11:27:33 AM
What about women's liberty? ???
What about the unborn babies liberty!?
Quote from: Varmit on April 12, 2012, 06:54:21 PM
Have nothing to do with anything here?? WOW!
They have EVERYTHING to do with this topic! It was the secularist humanist worldview tht brought this country to the pitiful state it is now in. Liberals love to spout off about how abortion is a "womans rights" issue, but they couldn't be more wrong! Abortion is nothing more then the state sanctioned slaughter of unborn people. Done in the most horrorific and, quite frankly, demonic ways possible. Abortion should be illegal regardless of the circumstance surrounding conception because God doesn't make ANTHING without a purpose. Abortionists and those that support a "womans' Right" to abort are no better than the nazis resposnible for the MURDER of over 6 million jews. Yes it is a tired analogy but it fits.
Actually Varmit, hitler was a saint compared to the 35+ Million babies that have been slaughtered.
and there is no difference between selling these babies parts than hitler making lampshades out of human skin of his murdered victims
Diane, you give yourself a lot of credit calling yourself a moderate independent. Your description of yourself being a liberal is right on.
Whatever the small difference is, you're still the same. The socialists like your kind.
Quote from: redcliffsw on April 13, 2012, 06:25:16 AM
Diane, you give yourself a lot of credit calling yourself a moderate independent. Your description of yourself being a liberal is right on.
Whatever the small difference is, you're still the same. The socialists like your kind.
Rev 3:15 KJV - I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 KJV - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Kinda says it all about moderates doesn't it
Yes Sir.
Arizona Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed into law on Thursday a bill that bans most abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, giving Republicans a win in ongoing national efforts to impose greater restrictions on abortion.