If your teenaged child were physically shaken and screamed at by a school official at a school event in order to force them to perform, what do you think should be the outcome?
That school official would be handcuffed and taken to jail for assaulting my child and I wouldn't rest until my child received justice!---Jennifer
If the parent did it that would be child abuse. The same for the teachers or school personnel.
Fired with out question. To embarrass a child in front of a lot of people is uncalled for. It is hard enough to go to school with the normal things that can happen. >:(
Is there an incident behind this or is it hypothetical?
Two people would be going to jail. Me for beating the shit out of whoever did it and the individual who did that.
So what happened?
Did you see this happen? I am not saying it is right at all, but what's the story?
Yes, Diane, an incident did happen so it's not hypothetical. The person in question should seriously have a mental evaluation and anger management classes, assault charges should've been brought up on that person and they should never be allowed to be around children unsupervised again. I don't understand where the community outcry against this person is. I do understand that the person in question and members of the school board are just one big happy family and are very well konnected, but wrong is wrong and why is this being kept so quiet? A lot of questions around a lot of goings on that we will never get any answers for, as usual.---MR. Kshillbilly
Child should have been taught to respect authority long before starting school.
Respect authority? So it's ok to demean and humiliate a child in front of his/her peers and others if he/she's not "respecting authority?" Lots of people have authority over children, but it's not OK to ABUSE that authority. It's not ok for a child to be humiliated, beaten or abused by ANY adult, whether that child is being RESPECTFUL or not; so why is it ok for a school official to demean and humiliate a child that is placed in their care? It's NOT! How ridiculous to even suggest that it is. The school official should be the one RESPECTING THEIR AUTHORITY or get out of our school systems!---Jennifer
At face value I would agree, but these things often have ice berg qualities, much that isn't obvious.
Personally, I'm very hard on teachers who misbehave for no reason. It must not be tolerated. We are and should be held to a higher standard. For most teachers that's not a problem. At the same time, parents humiliate their kids in front of other people very commonly and someone who might interfere would be told to butt out.
I know of instances where teachers have pulled fighting kids apart only to have the parents of the aggressor cause trouble for the teacher.
It would be very unusual for a teacher to let loose on a child who is not a known trouble maker....BUT, it surely could happen.Your class sizes out there are so small I'm surprised there is ever a problem.
Kids do not see things as adults do.They accept a lot as just being part of growing up and being disciplined by the adults in their lives. I know it's none of my business, but I'd love to hear from both sides. What did the teacher have to say about whatever it was that happened? How about the Principal? The other kids?
One more thing---I realize I typed in demean and humiliate BUT there was a PHYSICAL SHAKING that went on here. Not just screaming, actual SHAKING this child. To get them to perform at a school function. RIDICULOUS! If I were to shake my child in front of people, I would have the cops called. This school official is NO different! She/He should be ARRESTED!---MRS.
Oh, and another thing, just because I can't get this out of my head...
Whether or not the child is a known trouble maker would be irrelevant! These children are at school where they are supposed to be PROTECTED, not HARRASSED by the very people we should feel that our children are safe with! I've seen parents stand together in a common goal of removing a worthless official from their school. Where is the outrage? Just because this one was told to resign or be fired doesn't matter. It should NOT all be swept under the rug because the school official resigned!---MRS. KSH
This should absolutely be investigated as a battery on this student. Teachers are not allowed to put their hands on students when it is done in anger. So the student did not want to perform. Ever hear of just saying okay and walking away. I would like to know more details, the grade of the student, what activity was going on that the student needed to perform for, things like that. I don't want to know any names or anything. And where were the parents or the parent?
So the teacher has resigned?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 08, 2012, 05:35:38 PM
So the teacher has resigned?
Teacher? Who said anything about a teacher?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 08, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
This should absolutely be investigated as a battery on this student.
Agreed. But then school management would need to first recognize the event as potentially criminal, and then be more focused on justice than simply maintaining the status quo. If that were possible, then law enforcement would need to be advised of the incident & meet the same criteria.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 08, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
...And where were the parents or the parent?
Better yet, where the hell are they now?
Paid off?
Heck, I used the word "teacher" when you put the question about a school official. Darn it. And, right, where are the parents now? Why aren't they putting up a fuss? Why aren't they reporeting to the sheriff's office? Why isn't something being done?
So not a classroom teacher? I stand corrected. I thought I read teacher somewhere. Now I'm really curious as to what happened.
Kansas Statutes Annotated
21-3408: Assault. Assault is intentionally placing another person in reasonable apprehension of immediate bodily harm.
Assault is a class C person misdemeanor.
History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-3408; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 9; L. 1994, ch. 291, § 22; July 1.
21-3412: Battery. (a) Battery is:
(1) Intentionally or recklessly causing bodily harm to another person; or
(2) intentionally causing physical contact with another person when done in a rude, insulting or angry manner.
(b) Battery is a class B person misdemeanor.
History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-3412; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 11; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 27; L. 1996, ch. 211, § 4; L. 1996, ch. 258, § 13; L. 2001, ch. 177, § 6; July 1.
Statute 21-3608a: Aggravated endangering a child. (a) Aggravated endangering a child is:
(1) Intentionally causing or permitting a child under the age of 18 years to be placed in a situation in which the child's life, body or health is injured or endangered;
(2) recklessly causing or permitting a child under the age of 18 years to be placed in a situation in which the child's life, body or health is injured or endangered;
(3) causing or permitting such child to be in an environment where a person is selling, offering for sale or having in such person's possession with intent to sell, deliver, distribute, prescribe, administer, dispense, manufacture or attempt to manufacture any methamphetamine as defined by subsection (d)(3) or (f)(1) of K.S.A. 65-4107, and amendments thereto; or
(4) causing or permitting such child to be in an environment where drug paraphernalia or volatile, toxic or flammable chemicals are stored for the purpose of manufacturing or attempting to manufacture any methamphetamine as defined by subsection (d)(3) or (f)(1) of K.S.A. 65-4107, and amendments thereto.
(b) Aggravated endangering a child is a severity level 9, person felony.
(c) As used in this section:
(1) "Manufacture" shall have the meaning ascribed to that term in K.S.A. 2009 Supp. 21-36a01, and amendments thereto; and
(2) "drug paraphernalia" shall have the meaning ascribed to that term in K.S.A. 2009 Supp. 21-36a01, and amendments thereto.
(d) This section shall be part of and supplemental to the Kansas criminal code.
History: L. 2004, ch. 125, § 4; L. 2006, ch. 211, § 3; L. 2009, ch. 32, § 25; July 1.
Page generated: 2010-02-27
Statute 21-3609: Abuse of a child. Abuse of a child is intentionally torturing, cruelly beating, shaking which results in great bodily harm or inflicting cruel and inhuman corporal punishment upon any child under the age of 18 years.
Abuse of a child is a severity level 5, person felony.
History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-3609; L. 1984, ch. 119, § 12; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 37; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 60; L. 1995, ch. 251, § 12; July 1.
Not to mention that teachers,and staff are by law "mandated reporters" of child abuse. In other words if there is knowledge of a battery upon a child known to a mandated reporter, They could be held accountable for not reporting the crime to law enforcement, thus be prosecuted also.
I don't care who is involved,physically shaking a child in a rude or insolent manner is a crime. It is a misdemeanor battery.
I stand corrected. Let the kids do only what they want to do when they want to do it. Then complain if they are not doing well in school and are not learning anything. LET THE CHILDREN RULE THE WORLD, OR MAYBE THE TODDLERS SHOULD RULE THE WORLD. Angels on your pillow. Goodnight.
Theres a massive difference between discipline and battery. The parents are the only ones who get the responsibility of meeting out corporal punishment. I used to believe in allowing principals to meet that out until the system had gotten so bad that you can't trust anyone to do it properly.
I don't know what the issue was but i understand it was a sporting event. This is not a event that is important to preform by force. I wouldn't advocate this treatment by any official school or otherwise as it is not their right nor their job to shake the shit out of someone.
I've raised my kids, and got lucky as a parent to have all of them happy healthy and not in prison. They are members of society that have sacrificed for their fellow americans and served in the marine corp and army. I don't take credit i just know that God had his hand in it the whole time. BUT i did administer corp punishment when it was warranted. Open defiance, disrespect and endangerment to their own well being was the only things i ever used corp punishment for as extreme behavior needs extreme measures to correct the behavior.
when i was growing up if you mouthed off to a school teacher, official or whatever, dad would knock your teeth out if you did such a thing. NOT the principal or official or teacher. DAD did it.
God would have had to step down and rescue me if the police had of brought me home for doing something cause my ass would have been my fathers! I was raised to say yes ma'am/sir to my elders and Never call them by their first name. IT was always mr. mrs so and so. I raised my childrern the same way.
Granted kids today on average do not give the same respect. That is sad but it is not our responsibility to correct. it is their parents and once they are 18 they are supposed to be smart enough not to get defiant to someone who can clean their clocks.
Until the children are old enough to back up their attitude, then it is only the parents that have the right to do anyting about it within reason. The kids do have to face consequences but none of those consequences are any other person laying hteir hands on them in a forceful violent way.
ITs not like when i was growing up and betty joe neighbor could whap your bottom for stomping on her flowerbed. I don't care where you live. There is other ways to handle this. Personally if I had been responsible for chllds performance, i would have removed them and sent them home. It would have been the smart thing to do as well as the right thing to do.
I do not think teachers should be protected from being fired any more the the guy that works at the Kwik shop. But for some reason they are thought of being about the law.
Says who? Teachers here only have limited protection by tenure and that has to do mostly with internal black mail and grades.Teachers who break the law can and should be dealt with just like anyone else. Don't get sucked in by myth mongers.
I heard that there were two incidents. One at the West Elk school and one at the Elk Valley school. The "school official" at West Elk allegedly was fired from the position that was held. Why something wasn't reported to law enforcement is beyond me.
I heard that the incident at Elk Valley happened and the offender may not have been a "school official". Don't know anymore than that.
Found out the facts of the incident at Elk Valley. It was a "school official", not a teacher. That "school official" does not work there anymore. Why something isn't being reported to law enforcment is beyond me for a second time.
However; our schools are just like our county government and our sheriff's office. No one knows what is going on and it's like when something does happen, it is a big secret and the public has to pull teeth to find anything out.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 13, 2012, 07:48:45 PM
Found out the facts of the incident at Elk Valley. It was a "school official", not a teacher. That "school official" does not work there anymore. Why something isn't being reported to law enforcment is beyond me for a second time.
However; our schools are just like our county government and our sheriff's office. No one knows what is going on and it's like when something does happen, it is a big secret and the public has to pull teeth to find anything out.
Typical! nothing but a coverup all the time.
But Steve, if it would've been you or I, you know the "bottom feeders" at the bottom of the food chain, with no Konnections, they would've prosecuted our asses, tarred and feathered us and run us out of town. Where the hell is the public outcry and the charges? And I don't want to hear no damn do-goody lip out of county! It is a local matter but if the local governing body can't take care of situations like this, maybe the public should seek outside help.---MR. KSH
Quote from: kshillbillys on February 14, 2012, 06:39:17 AM
But Steve, if it would've been you or I, you know the "bottom feeders" at the bottom of the food chain, with no Konnections, they would've prosecuted our asses, tarred and feathered us and run us out of town. Where the hell is the public outcry and the charges? And I don't want to hear no damn do-goody lip out of county! It is a local matter but if the local governing body can't take care of situations like this, maybe the public should seek outside help.---MR. KSH
Thats what gave rise to Nathan Bedford Forrest back when the Government wouldn't do its job!
This is just hilarious. A bunch of "adults" giving their input and getting fired up about a rumor. Get your facts straight and get a life.
Quote from: songbird on February 17, 2012, 10:08:25 AM
This is just hilarious. A bunch of "adults" giving their input and getting fired up about a rumor. Get your facts straight and get a life.
Where have I heard that voice before? Hmmm.