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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: redcliffsw on August 28, 2011, 08:44:53 AM

Title: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: redcliffsw on August 28, 2011, 08:44:53 AM

In government, there is a long-run tendency to keep trying the same thing again and again, no matter how often or how badly it fails. Keynesianism is, after all, as Joseph Salerno points out, the "economics of state power." And that guides us to the foundational problem: the monopoly entity that rules and devastates society for its own benefit.
-Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/many-collapses-of-keynesianism189.html

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 09:00:33 AM
Red...

Thanks for the reminder that no matter how wet it gets in New York we still face some serious threats to our economic existence.

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2011, 09:46:52 AM
Those problems will wait for you long after the storm has gone. ::)
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2011, 09:46:52 AM
Those problems will wait for you long after the storm has gone. ::)

Good to see these things aren't a problem for you too.  Says a lot.

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2011, 11:13:30 AM
Now stop that! That is exactly why you get accused of twisting words. You know exactly what I meant. Unless you are an editor for Simon and Shuster cut that out.
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2011, 11:13:30 AM
Now stop that! That is exactly why you get accused of twisting words. You know exactly what I meant. Unless you are an editor for Simon and Shuster cut that out.


No.  The art of omission often speaks loudly.  What you omit is very sometimes revealing.  Words are important...as are the lack of them.

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2011, 11:21:57 AM
I didn't" omit" anything.YOU chose to leave Red's topic and swing to "wet in New York." Had nothing to do with me. I just stated an economic fact. Leaving.
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2011, 11:21:57 AM
I didn't" omit" anything.YOU chose to leave Red's topic and swing to "wet in New York." Had nothing to do with me. I just stated an economic fact. Leaving.

I left his topic?  No I thanked him for his topic.  Wow, you do live in an alternate universe, don't you? 

You're right, red.  Liberal types do have a problem with comparative analysis of history.... even recent history with the words right in front of them.



Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 12:05:16 PM
Patriot, you are a jerk...And a bully who twists words.  Diane, I'm with you.
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 12:05:16 PM
Patriot, you are a jerk...And a bully who twists words.

Let me guess.... you were goaded into that passionate Christian expression of agape (see Vine's Expository of Biblical Words), right?
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 12:46:13 PM
Patriot, get over yourself.
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 12:51:44 PM
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 12:46:13 PM
Patriot, get over yourself.

At a loss for words to debate facts, are you?  Ad hominem attacks all you got left?  Coulter is right, it seems.
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 12:54:25 PM
 :o  Better be careful using those large words, Patriot...You might hurt yourself... ;D
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 01:05:05 PM


I really apologize, catwoman.  Given your background in education, it honestly never occurred to me that you don't know much about the proper & appropriate functions of government in the American representative republic.  I'm sorry for the assumption that you possessed such knowledge in sufficient quantity to engage in a rational debate on the subject.

Here, have a smiley face instead.   :)

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: redcliffsw on August 28, 2011, 01:11:36 PM

That just about says it all.

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 01:38:46 PM
OMG...You mean I've been dealing with a closet intellectual this entire time?  Well, then...My apologies...Why didn't you show some sign of cognitive ability previous to this?  And here you've mislead the Forum into believing you're nothing but a rightwing loonie...Shame on you... ;D
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 01:38:46 PM
OMG...You mean I've been dealing with a closet intellectual this entire time?  Well, then...My apologies...Why didn't you show some sign of cognitive ability previous to this?  And here you've mislead the Forum into believing you're nothing but a rightwing loonie...Shame on you... ;D

So, exactly what is your take on Keynesian economic policies and their overall effect on free market systems?

Or...

Here's another smiley for your collection.   :)

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
Dearie, unlike you closet intellectuals who glom onto one particular buzz term and then stomp it to death through repetitive usage (I wonder which of the various intelligences THAT falls under), there those who  are smart enough to realize that there are MANY different policies that have various either steadying or detrimental effects on the free market system.  Now...You can take your ball and go back out to play, little boy...And you keep on dropping the newest in buzz term usage, as often as you need to, in order to make it seem like you truly do have a complete understanding of the free market system and its various strengths or weaknesses.

Oh...And here ya go...A smiley face for ya...I wouldn't want you to leave empty-handed... ;D 

   
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 02:16:24 PM
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
Dearie, unlike you closet intellectuals who glom onto one particular buzz term and then stomp it to death through repetitive usage (I wonder which of the various intelligences THAT falls under), there those who  are smart enough to realize that there are MANY different policies that have various either steadying or detrimental effects on the free market system.  Now...You can take your ball and go back out to play, little boy...And you keep on dropping the newest in buzz term usage, as often as you need to, in order to make it seem like you truly do have a complete understanding of the free market system and its various strengths or weaknesses.

Thanks for that clear, concise and well framed presentation of your knowledge regarding Keynesian economics, catwoman.  Just to be sure I understood you clearly..... you don't have or are incapable of forming a clear position on the subject.  Bout right?

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 02:36:07 PM
QuoteAccording to Keynesian theory, some microeconomic-level actions — if taken collectively by a large proportion of individuals and firms — can lead to inefficient aggregate macroeconomic outcomes, wherein the economy operates below its potential output and growth rate

for those who don't have internet    ;D ;D ;D

seems like this is a creeping up on us'ns
ready, not that I understand those smilley thingies
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 02:40:46 PM
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 02:36:07 PM
for those who don't have internet...

Not sure ready, but I'm betting that anyone who reads this, uh, has internet access.  That is to say... they are ready too.  Just not as ready as you.   ;)

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
Got that right! Patriot!

readyaimduck, fire!
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 02:51:56 PM
LOL...Ready, you're too funny... ;D...

Patriot, clearly and concisely put...This theory is given to stating the obvious.  Period.  Debating its finer points is a bore.  

Now...This has been a "fun" way to use up a slow portion of the day.  I'm off to go plot the downfall of the willfully ignorant...Otherwise known as making lesson plans! lol

Patriot, you are an interesting old curmudgeon, in spite of yourself...  ;D
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 02:54:37 PM
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 02:51:56 PM
Patriot, you are an interesting old curmudgeon, in spite of yourself...  ;D

Thanks.  But I'm NOT old, just seasoned.  LOL

Seasoned curmudgeon.... hmmmm... sounds like a southern dish.
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 02:57:09 PM
QuoteI'm off to go plot the downfall of the willfully ignorant...Otherwise known as making lesson plans! lol

reverse those charts cat...it will look like they are progressing...lol

for kicks and grins, put a stright bar into the graph...

Isn't that what the county does for us when they have bad news?

keep teaching, cat...and work on your catty remarks!

ready and licking my  Ba**s     ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 03:02:21 PM
Quote[Seasoned curmudgeon/quote]



You might want to check with JUG HEAD  er... Jr head to see if that fish exists in Elk COunty....
if it does..I would add a spice of contempt, a simdgeon of salt in that wound, as well as a pinch of sugar to sweeten the comback from the belly.

ready ....to cook/baste/smother/can

Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 03:07:07 PM
Sorry, typo Jar
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 03:10:11 PM
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 03:07:07 PM
Sorry, typo Jar


Yoooooo.... Jughead....We got a question!  LOL
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
JUGHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!   (spelled correctly I think..)

COMEE OOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNN DOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

;D
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Anmar on August 29, 2011, 10:29:56 AM
catwoman is my new hero for this week.
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Ross on August 30, 2011, 07:06:26 PM
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
Dearie,
Dear,
Are you patronizing Patriot, after reading me the riot act for using the very same term of endearment in a post to you.
How rich is that, dearie?

The devil made me do it.  :angel:
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Catwoman on August 30, 2011, 07:22:58 PM
Aw, Ross...Lighten up...Your blood pressure will be topping out soon... ;D
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Ross on August 30, 2011, 08:32:37 PM
DITTO
LOL ;D
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 31, 2011, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: Catwoman on August 31, 2011, 02:59:33 PM
I don't blame Pam for posting what she did.  I'm surprised it's taken her this long to say it openly.     

Bully for both of you.  Of course, I don't know  why conservatives have put up with liberal progressive lies and false accusations and childish name calling for years.  But that seems to be changing in America now.  Funny how tight that shoe is when it's on the other foot and you're not the only voice in the debate, no?
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Catwoman on August 31, 2011, 05:55:55 PM
I am a moderate, Patriot...Try to listen closely and you might hear THIS TIME what I've said repeatedly...I am not not a liberal and have never been one.  Try again.
Title: Re: The Many Collapses of Keynesianism
Post by: Patriot on August 31, 2011, 09:46:15 PM
Quote from: Catwoman on August 31, 2011, 05:55:55 PM
I am a moderate, Patriot...Try to listen closely and you might hear THIS TIME what I've said repeatedly...I am not not a liberal and have never been one.  Try again.

I draw my conclusions my  based on the collective (pardon the pun) of what you post, not on your self proclamation.  If you engage in defenses of programs/philosophies that clearly fit the model of the liberal progressive mindset, then guess what... If it talks like a duck egro, it's probably a duck.  And calling a duck a swan doesn't make the critter a swan.  But, to be fair, I'll keep listening and am continually reevaluating.