A city threat against a lawn to long!!! There is a lady in Howard that suffers from Multiple sclerosis! The city says cut your grass or we will cut it and charge you 75.00 to do it! She is just about wheelchair bound and they know it!!! I cut her grass even though I am sick and have to many things to do! I guess my question is; What ever happened to compassion, what ever happened to neighbors! This city is only interested in its self! Mr Mayor I feel for you, if this is how you run a city, then I feel for your family!
I would like very much to see us join hands as a community! Why cant we reach up for help and reach down for those who need us!
When I lived in Howard I used to mow my nieghbors lawn when I mowed
mine. It wasnt that big a deal.She was 86yrs old at the time.I was just
thankful for her friendship.
This is the Elk Connected bunch. You know community togetherness!
I got to thinking about it, if the city is threatening to come onto her property and cut her grass then they had better get a warrant to do so. That is a MASSIVE violation of the constitution. I think i would be out there in a heartbeat throwing someone off my property.
They can't charge ya if they don't preform the service!
Secondly anyone working on my place without my consent does so at their own expense. Thats a law! Same law that prevents a mechanic from replacing parts on your car that you did not authorize!
It`s too bad, that used to be part of the small town charm.The ability
of the people to help each other.Fixed a nieghbors computer for them
and they asked me how much they owed me.I just asked them if
they ever heard of bartering.Works out fine for both of us.Even did
some work for an apple pie.Was well worth it too me.
Quote from: warsey on August 22, 2011, 10:40:03 AM
It`s too bad, that used to be part of the small town charm.The ability
of the people to help each other.Fixed a nieghbors computer for them
and they asked me how much they owed me.I just asked them if
they ever heard of bartering.Works out fine for both of us.Even did
some work for an apple pie.Was well worth it too me.
Sad to say the majority of people today don't even bother with it. I have had problems with cutting my grass before and did i get anyone offering help? Nope, i got a hell of a lot of complaints but no offers to help.
No Civic Association there to help? No "less than able bodied" person here (my neighborhood) would ever have to worry about that. We just let them know when someone needs help and poof, it happens. You are such a small town I don't know why you would have such problems. That's a shame.
Then again there is push for city consolidation. Is this what those of us who live in and around Longton want? NOT They have already forced out the Moline school. Frankly I don't want Howard or any body Konnected with them telling me dog squat. Especially when to mow the yard .
I`m glad I moved to Moline.There are people here that still
help out.I have to thank Mark and Lisa Townsley.Mark lent
me his trailor so I could get rid of tree limbs and clean my
yard up and would not accept any payment and Lisa helped
me when I had trouble with my water line when it broke.
My hats off to both of them.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 22, 2011, 10:26:55 AM
This is the Elk Connected bunch. You know community togetherness!
Yea Steve I read all about how much they help out, ha!
They simply want more ordinances.
Except for handing out lollipops.
What a waste.
I know MS and if I lived in Howard I'd mow it for her.
The jerks only want money. My son mowed a couple of lawns in Moline this summer with out being paid for them.
And we live outside of Moline.
Where are those connected helpers when needed. Oh,, that wouldn't make the front page of the paper would it.
Which of the EK goals is at work here....
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php)
And which Action Team is falling down on the job? The Physical Image Team?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/teams.php (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/teams.php)
Either way, we see who ends up paying in the long run.
Looks like this one was Steered into the ditch. :(
Did anyone tell anyone that someone needed help?The crystal ball might have been out for service.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
Did anyone tell anyone that someone needed help?The crystal ball might have been out for service.
Diane still defending the savior's of Elk County. The majority of them live in Howard.
Some probably live right next door.
I saw the same thing happen in my hometown. In the fifties the town was basically one neighborhood with a population of 10,000.
Then something happened, organizations started popping up, today there is hardly anything of a neighborhood. They act like they think they are big cities. So sorry!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
Did anyone tell anyone that someone needed help?The crystal ball might have been out for service.
THe point is they have no right or business to tell someone what to do with their property. Thats over the line! And we see first hand what happens when they do.
I DO have to say there are a lot of Angels in howard that do help others! And i am not going to embarress them by mentioning names but they do know who they are and whom i am talking about!
Instead of giving Ek Konnect or anyone else Hell, why don't you volunteer to help someone.
I could curse the city of Howard for lifetime for what they've started doing lately. Already have lost a ton of money/property because of it, makes me sick to my stomach every time I think about it. Either they are going to push me past my limit and I'll do something they won't like, which is already very close to being the case, or I'll just end up leaving.
There are a ton of great people in this area but it seems like the irrational liberal disease is starting to spread around here and fast. Maybe I should just try running for a local office... :laugh:
Quote from: greatguns on August 22, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Instead of giving Ek Konnect or anyone else Hell, why don't you volunteer to help someone.
You say that like you
know those who 'give EK hell'
don't volunteer to help people. Perhaps you would care to offer something other than conjecture and guesswork on that topic. My guess is you've got nothing. In any event, pushing elderly people around over something so petty (especially someone who also ill and may be on a fixed income) is the real issue... and one of particular disgust. And even if it were the lawn of a 30 year old in excellent health, the sum of $75 seems onerous at best.
Quote from: mtcookson on August 22, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
I could curse the city of Howard for lifetime for what they've started doing lately. Already have lost a ton of money/property because of it, makes me sick to my stomach every time I think about it. Either they are going to push me past my limit and I'll do something they won't like, which is already very close to being the case, or I'll just end up leaving.
There are a ton of great people in this area but it seems like the irrational liberal disease is starting to spread around here and fast. Maybe I should just try running for a local office... :laugh:
you go mtcookson. You have my vote.
Quote from: greatguns on August 22, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Instead of giving Ek Konnect or anyone else Hell, why don't you volunteer to help someone.
I do frequenntly, thank you.
Quote from: mtcookson on August 22, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
... or I'll just end up leaving.
Leaving or giving in are the ultimate high octane fuels for those who would seek to arrogantly control the lives of others. Hang in there.
Back when I lived in Kansas this lady's yard would have been cut long before the city was going to fine her. Today, it would not happen in my neighborhood.
I challenge all my forum members to pledge $10. I know we can come up with $75 dollars to pay someone to do it or give it to the City to do it, provided they take no legal action against her. Kind of a payment in liu of fine (PILOF). Give me an address to send my money order to and I will do it tomorrow morning. I was going to send out for pizza tonight, now I will just make it myself.
David
Or maybe one of the fine youth in the community would do the deed as a value lesson in civics and community service.
Quote from: Patriot on August 22, 2011, 05:11:13 PM
Or maybe one of the fine youth in the community would do the deed as a value lesson in civics and community service.
I could not agree with you more Patriot. In my day there would have been a whole lot of parents that would have made sure the kids did it and then would have had them go into her house to talk to her to see what else she need done.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 22, 2011, 05:13:24 PM
I could not agree with you more Patriot. In my day there would have been a whole lot of parents that would have made sure the kids did it and then would have had them go into her house to talk to her to see what else she need done.
And then came cell phones and self-indulgent parents.
Can someone send me a name and address and I will try to go to Howard tomorrow.
I sure hope it doesn't need a brush hog.
Send info by private message and phone number if possible.
I would not want to show up and scare her to death.
What size yard does she have?
Ross, if you do that, PM me and I will happily donate to the cause. This whole thing is disgusting, and one of the reasons I moved to Elk County in the first place. This is a big city tactic, uncaring and what is more it is uncaring. Where are the youth groups, and where are the churches? And where is the heart in this? :'( :'(
Ross, you are indeed a good man. I had been stewing on this all day, infuriated, that no one was helping. Thanks Ross for stepping up to the plate. Maybe now that people know of her situation they could take Patriot's statement that it is a civics lesson for the kids. I bet she would love to have visitors and the kids could learn much from her. I see no downside on this. There may even be a business in it for some young hardworking entrepenuer since there may be other yards in need of this kind of care.
David
Quote from: David on August 22, 2011, 04:59:23 AM
A city threat against a lawn to long!!! There is a lady in Howard that suffers from Multiple sclerosis! The city says cut your grass or we will cut it and charge you 75.00 to do it! She is just about wheelchair bound and they know it!!! You evil fucks, I cut her grass even though I am sick and have to many things to do! I guess my question is; What ever happened to compassion, what ever happened to neighbors! This city is only interested in its self! Mr Mayor I feel for you, if this is how you run a city, then I feel for your family!
Guys - I interpret this to mean the grass has already been cut. People offering to help is what makes Elk County good.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 22, 2011, 06:04:08 PM
Ross, if you do that, PM me and I will happily donate to the cause. This whole thing is disgusting, and one of the reasons I moved to Elk County in the first place. This is a big city tactic, uncaring and what is more it is uncaring. Where are the youth groups, and where are the churches? And where is the heart in this? :'( :'(
No donations needed. My father had MS. and a sister had MS.
It is really a hard disease to live with and it is not out of pity that I offer my help.
I do it out of understanding. The law is one thing but coompassion should play a part.
I was raised in a dirt poor family and we did without a lot.
But we occassionally had a turkey show up on our porch for Thanksgiving or Christmas.
We had a farmer friend that would bring us a gallon of the finest raw milk in the land.
I have many times in my life remember those good folks when I have done for others.
My favorite orgnization to give to is the Salvation Army, I just can't walk by a bell ringer without giving.
I remember Christmas's with broken toy's from the Salvation Army when i was a kid. And the stocking with an orange and nut's and rock candy. No other organization can hold a candle to the Salvation Army in my books.
And their CEO only get's paid a modet wage, not 6 digits plus.
Thanks Mom. for the information. :)
David
Ross ,that snipe at me was totally uncalled for. People and organized groups in and around your communities have been helping neighbors in need long before EK and long before you moved to Elk County! People have to speak up on behalf of those who could use help. If Al and I were nearby it would be a non issue.
I don't know why some of you have to get angry before anything happens.
As I said, people who would be glad to help can't read minds! Does everything have to turn into some sort of rant? Is one person's donated time more righteous than someone else's? If someone needs help and one of you know about it, do something yourself or pass the information along to those who can and will help. Thank you Ross for offering to help.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2011, 07:04:04 PM
Ross ,that snipe at me was totally uncalled for. People and organized groups in and around your communities have been helping neighbors in need long before EK and long before you moved to Elk County! People have to speak up on behalf of those who could use help. If Al and I were nearby it would be a non issue.
I don't know why some of you have to get angry before anything happens.
As I said, people who would be glad to help can't read minds! Does everything have to turn into some sort of rant? Is one person's donated time more righteous than someone else's? If someone needs help and one of you know about it, do something yourself or pass the information along to those who can and will help. Thank you Ross for offering to help.
Diane, this may be long overdue.... Stuff it! You and Al aren't here, and little would change if you were. Go lecture some local folks in your own neighborhood who might give a damn about how unrighteous they are and how good and gracious you and Al are. Now...THAT was snipe, even if I do say so myself.
Quote from: mtcookson on August 22, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
There are a ton of great people in this area but it seems like the irrational liberal disease is starting to spread around here and fast. Maybe I should just try running for a local office... :laugh:
DO IT!!!!!!! No laughing here......
Lisa ;D
As a fomer Boy Scout, I recommend to any of you working on your Eagle Scout or the parents of a potential Eagle Scout to recommend taking on these blighted properties as your Eagle Scout Service project.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 22, 2011, 07:27:22 PM
As a fomer Boy Scout, I recommend to any of you working on your Eagle Scout or the parents of a potential Eagle Scout to recommend taking on these blighted properties as your Eagle Scout Service project.
David
While 'blighted' may be a bit pejorative, the suggestion is a great one! Same for church youth groups, etc.
Quote from: Patriot on August 22, 2011, 07:29:44 PM
While 'blighted' may be a bit pejorative, the suggestion is a great one! Same for church youth groups, etc.
It was not meant as a pejorative more to a legal definition. I think you all get what I mean.
David
David, I don't think that there are any scout troops here anymore. There are however several church youth groups as well as mens groups affiliated with the churches. How about the local Howard Lions Club? I know that for a time they were cleaning yards. Bill Bishoff or Knut Shaad might be able to help. Again, Ross, PM me and I will happily donate a little money toward the cause, not out of pity but as a pay forward in this life. I may need help myself someday.
P.S, What about the FFA guys or the 4H groups?
What about the Fellowship of Christian Athletes? Aren't there any highschoolers involved in that anymore?
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 22, 2011, 07:34:18 PM
David, I don't think that there are any scout troops here anymore. There are however several church youth groups as well as mens groups affiliated with the churches. How about the local Howard Lions Club? I know that for a time they were cleaning yards. Bill Bishoff or Knut Shaad might be able to help. Again, Ross, PM me and I will happily donate a little money toward the cause, not out of pity but as a pay forward in this life. I may need help myself someday.
P.S, What about the FFA guys or the 4H groups?
Edie, sorry to hear that there on no Scouts. You are right there are many more groups to help.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 22, 2011, 07:27:22 PM
As a fomer Boy Scout, I recommend to any of you working on your Eagle Scout or the parents of a potential Eagle Scout to recommend taking on these blighted properties as your Eagle Scout Service project.
David
You might post that idea on Elk Konnected's facebook and it might get read by a boyscout there.
https://www.facebook.com/erica.laforest/posts/10150300231449153?notif_t=feed_comment_reply#!/profile.php?id=1349522561
Quote from: Ross on August 22, 2011, 07:43:05 PM
You might post that idea on Elk Konnected's facebook and it might get read by a boyscout there.
https://www.facebook.com/erica.laforest/posts/10150300231449153?notif_t=feed_comment_reply#!/profile.php?id=1349522561
I don't use facebook. You have my permission to post it on facebook under my name.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 22, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
I don't use facebook. You have my permission to post it on facebook under my name.
David
Nope I'm sorry I reserve my FB only for my ton's of neices and nephews through great,great neices and nephews.
And there are a ton of them.
Patriot, you sir, shove it. My neighborhood cares enough about each other not to need a lecture by anyone to do the good Christian thing. Yes, we are some of the helper people here and would be there too. As I keep trying to say, there are helpers in every community but they need to know when help is needed. Why cop an attitude with me? I was going to offer a donation also but after that snotty attitude, I'll keep my money here.
We have to stop bickering! Is there some way we can build a network to help? Most conventional ways are gone! I know there are many who need help! I need idea's, how can we make a differnce! I am pleased with all of you my neighbors! Can we put it on the internet, can we call on the churches! There are many old, interned and weaker that needs help! A forum of idea's! is what I ask!
A shout out to Ross! You are a good man Sir!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2011, 09:28:07 PM
Patriot, you sir, shove it. My neighborhood cares enough about each other not to need a lecture by anyone to do the good Christian thing. Yes, we are some of the helper people here and would be there too. As I keep trying to say, there are helpers in every community but they need to know when help is needed. Why cop an attitude with me? I was going to offer a donation also but after that snotty attitude, I'll keep my money here.
Diane, you weren't gonna donate one damn cent to mow her yard. Your money would be more than likely donated to EK. Your liberal crystal ball couldn't see that someone needed help, right there within the community square's hometown headquarters. With so many that's involved, they didn't know? My ass! Code enforcements in a town of 800 people? Wow. Let's piss off more people where they'll move out! All you're trying to do is just show that Elk County is missing out because of a few people. You're so full of shit your ears are leaking. ---MR. KSHillbilly
P.S. Once upon a time, Wilma had complained about the johnson grass at the county yard looking horrible and I remember her and a certain county commissioner on here discussing it. That same county commissioner stated that she went down and mowed around the county yard, just to make Wilma happy. (Even though no one that works down at the county yard remembers
her mowing)..Where is that District 2 County Commissioner in this? Why didn't she feel "the need" to go help by mowing this womans' yard? Not close enough to election time?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2011, 09:28:07 PM
I was going to offer a donation also but after that snotty attitude, I'll keep my money here.
And THAT says all anyone ever needs to know about your integrity and the depth of your charity and the conditionality of your caring. Please keep your advice and lectures in the same place you keep your money... in Delaware.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2011, 09:28:07 PM
Patriot, you sir, shove it. My neighborhood cares enough about each other not to need a lecture by anyone to do the good Christian thing. Yes, we are some of the helper people here and would be there too. As I keep trying to say, there are helpers in every community but they need to know when help is needed. Why cop an attitude with me? I was going to offer a donation also but after that snotty attitude, I'll keep my money here.
Diane,
I go beyond the christian thing.
I do the human and neighborly thing.
Far to many people use the "christian thing" and the do for the "children thing" just to line their ego's or pockets.
Both are over used statements. The lawn has been taken care of and no donations were required.
If people would just get off their butts and out of their meetings trying to figure out what they can do to get headlines in the newspaper they would not need a wellness center to lose weight. There is plenty of exercise in helping their neighbor.
What happens if and when the economy completely collapses?? Does everyone beat feet to a meeting?
Does everyone use the "christian thing" and the do for the "children thing" just to survive when there is no dollar.
Actions speak louder than words and I am sure you could find a neighbor in need in your neighborhood if you looked.
If a person pops up at me with I"m a christian, when I first meet them, right off the bat that sends up red flags.
If a person pops up at me with it's for the children, when I first meet them, right off the bat that sends up red flags.
These are usually tools/weapons to throw the person they are talking to, off guard.
Otherwise the statement is seldom required.
Sure it sounds cynical and it's suppose to because what is bad about being for the children or being a christian, well truthfully nothing except when it is being used as a tool.
Which is often.
Remember actions speak louder than words and the good deed does not have to be front page news.
Real Satisfaction comes from the good deed and peace with your maker not from newspaper headlines.
End of sermon. Ross
Quote from: David on August 22, 2011, 10:48:55 PM
We have to stop bickering! Is there some way we can build a network to help? Most conventional ways are gone! I know there are many who need help! I need idea's, how can we make a differnce! I am pleased with all of you my neighbors! Can we put it on the internet, can we call on the churches! There are many old, interned and weaker that needs help! A forum of idea's! is what I ask!
A shout out to Ross! You are a good man Sir!
Thanks David. but I am just an average everyday pain in the ass type of person that simply try's to enjoy life.
I try too be civil and sometimes it is very difficult to do.
I also don't like seeing people taken advantage of by small groups of people or even just anoher person.
Anytime I have ridden in the MS150 bike ride, Diane has sent a sizeable check to donate to my ride. She has also donated to other things here. If she says she will, she will.
Way to go Patriot, I am tired of her also as she does not live in the county and has not been there since 2008. Diane they can live without your opinion on every thread.
When it comes to giving, some prefer to follow a Christian command:
Mat 6:1 ΒΆ Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
To do otherwise oft results in worldly rewards of recognition and praises of man. Which, ultimately are payments for the 'gift'. And when a gift is paid for, it is no longer truly a gift.
Just something to ponder.
I do know of one on this forum that is always looking for and handout and has been quite successful at it. He is equally successful and stiring the shitppot in Elk County. If you don't take care of your own place, I doubt you would help take care of anyone else's place.
Quote from: greatguns on August 23, 2011, 07:21:51 AM
I do know of one on this forum that is always looking for and handout and has been quite successful at it. He is equally successful and stiring the shitppot in Elk County. If you don't take care of your own place, I doubt you would help take care of anyone else's place.
That was helpful... and we may assume your yard is pristine and that your comment wasn't aimed at stirring a pot?
David, thanks for starting this thread. We have learned much about how the needs of citizens can not be met by government, and how government often is the source of increased undeserved anxiety among those they are elected to serve. We have been reminded that there are folks right in our midst that are living with simple needs going unmet and that we must be constantly aware of those around us. We see how important it is to really know those to whom we give power and that we can't elect and forget. Our leaders must be called to account for foolishness. Thanks again.
At least there were a few good ideas put forth here, i.e. youth groups like 4-H, FFA,FCA creating work days to help those who need it,
before the mud-slinging, EK bashing, swearing, and name calling migrated from the politcs page. ::)
Thank you Roma, If you ever do that ride again or anything like it, you know I'll still help out. I would have sent a check to Teresa, who knows everybody, and she would have seen to it that it went to the right place. But, it's more important for some to slap me down.
I'm glad to help, and don't usually talk about it, but don't rub my nose in it.
Al and I most certainly do help in our own neighborhood.Three of the people we helped for years have since died and their places sold to families with kids who can take care of their own places and now help others. We have a Civic association that has lists of people who offer to help with yard chores, small repairs, painting and such. It's not that unusual and we aren't special at all, very ordinary. I don't understand why it's such a big angry deal on the forum.
I may be annoying to some and can be a sarcastic kidder, but I am NOT a liar. I'm sorry if I somehow added to the anger on this thread. Sometimes all I have to do is breathe and it sets off a few who are determined to be enemies and I've never known why. I'll say no more.
I have stayed out of this because I don't have a problem with the city of Howard. My yard is mowed and I don't do it. I am lucky enough to have a son-in-law whose mission in life seems to be to see that this old lady has what she needs. The whole town is lucky to have him as he has in the past and still does, mows lawns free of charge for people that he knows can't do it themselves and can't afford to pay to have it done. He is getting to the place himself that this is hard for him to do, but he still does it. He doesn't stop with lawn mowing. He does whatever he sees needs to be done. You all know him as Jim Harrington, Janet's husband. I know him as one of the best sons-in-law that a person can be lucky enough to have and I am one of the lucky ones.
Howard doesn't lack in charitable people. However, charitable people can't help unless they know where help is needed. Just look around. You probably know someone that could use some help. Don't wait for them to ask you. Go ask them what you can do to help.
QuoteYou probably know someone that could use some help. Don't wait for them to ask you. Go ask them what you can do to help.
Exactly.
Quote from: Patriot on August 23, 2011, 07:55:27 AM
David, thanks for starting this thread. We have learned much about how the needs of citizens can not be met by government, and how government often is the source of increased undeserved anxiety among those they are elected to serve. We have been reminded that there are folks right in our midst that are living with simple needs going unmet and that we must be constantly aware of those around us. We see how important it is to really know those to whom we give power and that we can't elect and forget. Our leaders must be called to account for toolishness. Thanks again.
The oath of office for county commissioner does not say a thing about loyalty to the people of/or to the county of Elk County.
I think Perhaps it should.
It only refers to upholding the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of Kansas.
Quote from: Wilma on August 23, 2011, 10:21:16 AM
I have stayed out of this because I don't have a problem with the city of Howard. My yard is mowed and I don't do it. I am lucky enough to have a son-in-law whose mission in life seems to be to see that this old lady has what she needs. The whole town is lucky to have him as he has in the past and still does, mows lawns free of charge for people that he knows can't do it themselves and can't afford to pay to have it done. He is getting to the place himself that this is hard for him to do, but he still does it. He doesn't stop with lawn mowing. He does whatever he sees needs to be done. You all know him as Jim Harrington, Janet's husband. I know him as one of the best sons-in-law that a person can be lucky enough to have and I am one of the lucky ones.
Howard doesn't lack in charitable people. However, charitable people can't help unless they know where help is needed. Just look around. You probably know someone that could use some help. Don't wait for them to ask you. Go ask them what you can do to help.
Wilma, I agree that Howard has a lot of people that do work for others for nothing. My 2 brothers and others I know have mowed a lot of yards for nothing, and would help anyone in need. I don't think we know all of the story on the lady that this post was about.
Frank,
Not only does Howard have people that way, so does Longton. I wasn't going to beat my chest---BUT---this past month I started mowing 4 yards that aren't mine. They were in raggedy ass shape, all 4 of them, but I think Judy will confirm the yards are looking pretty spiffy right now. Even had to use my tractor and bush hog one of them before I could mow it. Do I do it for money ? NO !! Do I do it to put a feather in my hat ? No !! Am I doing it so I have 4 yards to metal detect in when it cools down ? You damn bippy, that's why I'm doing it !! Kinda puts a tear in your eye, doesn't it Frank ?
Ron, I am not surprised at all that Longton has people like that and that you are one of them. I have communicated with you enough to know that you are that kind of person. However you are an onery cuss at times. I could say more but I don't want you to get the bighead.
Ron, I think every town in America has people like that. We have lived several places in Kansas, lived in Oklahoma and Texas and we have always had great neighbors. Ron, I think great neighbors comes with attitude and how you treat them.
Reminds me of a story one of my mentors in Howard when I was growing up told me.
"A couple was looking at moving to a new area and they drove around the area and saw a couple sitting on the porch and they stopped and asked them how the people were around there, the old fellow on the porch said how are they where you came from, the visitor said " they are great, good neighbors and do anything to help you, the old fellow on the porch said "That's just the way they are around here". The next day another couple went to the same area looking to move there, the same old couple was sitting on the porch and the couple stopped and asked them how the people were around there, the old fellow on the porch said, how are they where you came from, the visitors said "Terrible, won't help you at all, not friendly don't like any of them", the old man on the porch said "that is just the way they are around here".
I don't really think this thread was about good people helping neighbors in the first place. I see it as more of an indictment of a small town government who are so arrogant as to believe that hammering the elderly for $75 to do a $10 mowing job is necessary at all. In a town the size of Howard are such 'enforcement' actions really necessary, or could someone with the city not found one of those helpers in the community? Howard isn't, after all, New York City.... so why act like it?
I will reserve answering that till I know what the whole story is on this. I still think there is more to that story than what has been said.
Quote from: jarhead on August 23, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
Frank,
Not only does Howard have people that way, so does Longton. I wasn't going to beat my chest---BUT---this past month I started mowing 4 yards that aren't mine. They were in raggedy ass shape, all 4 of them, but I think Judy will confirm the yards are looking pretty spiffy right now. Even had to use my tractor and bush hog one of them before I could mow it. Do I do it for money ? NO !! Do I do it to put a feather in my hat ? No !! Am I doing it so I have 4 yards to metal detect in when it cools down ? You damn bippy, that's why I'm doing it !! Kinda puts a tear in your eye, doesn't it Frank ?
Just this morning I did my walk up north past my church and towards Hitchin Creek and realized the ground Ron was talking about looked great. I knew the owner hadn't been here all that much this summer and that it was really looking good. Now, unless the city gets on him, his yard gets the shaggiest of the whole town.... Ron, you have it looking like someone cares down there.
Almost beautiful.
As for Diane, I to owe her thanks for donations that show up from time to time and turn out to be just what God has planned.
When we need help and ask for it.....or not, God does send help in the form of human angels. He does ask us to share what we have even if it is a pat on the back for a job well done.
So, for all of you good samartians. thank you so much....and I realize this has been a long hot summer..but do you think the back stabbing can let up now....?? Play nice children! You all are better friends and neighbors than this.
Quote from: David on August 22, 2011, 05:47:55 AM
I would like very much to see us join hands as a community! Why cant we reach up for help and reach down for those who need us!
This is a quote from the author of this thread.
I have met just as many people in NYC that are caring and giving as I have met here, and just as many who complain they are getting screwed by the local government. No, I have seen more of the latter here on this forum.
Many people have offered ideas and help on this thread, and a few have made it all about their agenda to point fingers and suggest those in office only want money to put in their pocket.
You, Patsy, with all your juvenille accusations show us all the kind of person who has no desire to help their fellow man, only perpetrate animosity and aversion to community with totally nebulous reasoning.
You obviously missed the congealment of the communities in New York after 9/11, and their fortitude to remain united. On the eve of that event, you are base to refer to them in such a manner. >:( >:( >:( SOSDD from you. I know that has somewhat a swear word in it :o but you deserve worse with your infantile inferences ::)
If you don't want to be part of the solution, you are part of the problem. :police:
I would like to include Teresa's post in "What they gave to me" regarding the song of Diamond Rio's that radio stations banned here.I believe it was #64.
Oh, and I might add, your input here has been, ZERO, Patsy. :-*
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 23, 2011, 03:29:50 PM
You, Patsy, with all your juvenille accusations show us all the kind of person who has no desire to help their fellow man, only perpetrate animosity and aversion to community with totally nebulous reasoning.
Oh, and I might add, your input here has been, ZERO, Patsy. :-*
Wrong Heifer..I know for a FACT that if I needed anything, Patriot is one of the people I could call on. AND I will GUARANTEE you that I am not the ONLY person in this county that could call on Patriot and he would do EVERYTHING in his power to make sure what NEEDED to be done was done! His input is that of a very smart man, Heifer--a man that I will listen to any time he wants to speak. Apparently, YOU have NO CLUE as to who he is and have NEVER been around him for YOU to make unfounded statements like the ones I quoted of yours above. It's a good thing other people know him and don't have to rely on your
opinion of him.----Jennifer
Sorry , Judy, didn't mean for this to follow one of your insightful posts. :'( Just didn't care for the slight on the good people of New York. :P
Quote from Jefe de vaca:reply #56
before the mud-slinging, EK bashing, swearing, and name calling migrated from the politcs page.
Quote from Jafe de vaca:reply # 67
You, Patsy, with all your juvenille accusations show us all the kind of person who has no desire to help their fellow man, only perpetrate animosity and aversion to community with totally nebulous reasoning.
SOSDD from you. I know that has somewhat a swear word in it but you deserve worse with your infantile inferences
Interesting !! I agree 100% with you kshillbillys. I guess Mr. Cow Boss doesn't know the Patriot that I know. I know if I need to call someone for help guess which one it would be ?
Now with the input in your support, Patsy, you have contibuted less than zero. ::)
Quote from: Patriot on August 23, 2011, 12:43:47 PM
I don't really think this thread was about good people helping neighbors in the first place. I see it as more of an indictment of a small town government who are so arrogant as to believe that hammering the elderly for $75 to do a $10 mowing job is necessary at all. In a town the size of Howard are such 'enforcement' actions really necessary, or could someone with the city not found one of those helpers in the community? Howard isn't, after all, New York City.... so why act like it?
There was NO slight against the good people of NYC in the above quote. I read it as a point that HOWARD is NOT NYC, so why try to enforce some of the stupidest codes and laws like it is?
Quote from: jarhead on August 23, 2011, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from Jefe de vaca:reply #56
before the mud-slinging, EK bashing, swearing, and name calling migrated from the politcs page.
Quote from Jafe de vaca:reply # 67
You, Patsy, with all your juvenille accusations show us all the kind of person who has no desire to help their fellow man, only perpetrate animosity and aversion to community with totally nebulous reasoning.
SOSDD from you. I know that has somewhat a swear word in it but you deserve worse with your infantile inferences
In fact, the only "slights" I see in your postings are slights against people right here in Elk County. Yet you want to :'( because you felt he was "slighting" NYC? SOSDD from you as well, Heifer.
Ronnie, no, I'm sure a lot of people don't know the Patriot we know, or they wouldn't say the things about him that they say and try to paint him as a monster and then turn around and call
him infantile...go figure! :P
His words speak volumes. As do your own.
Patriot, assume what you want. Just remember I come from the same wonderful blood as Jarhead. Love ya Cuz.
I wonder how many more days I have till the City of Howard tells me I need to move my trash cans into my yard... from my yard. :laugh:
Oh... and yes, they have been telling people to move their trash cans, in case any of you haven't been fortunate enough to get that slightly humorous call.
Move your trash can into your yard, from your yard? Are you serious? Good grief. Maybe these people should only be working half days if that's all they have to do!
Apparently that grassy part of your yard, right next to the street, isn't your yard and you need to move your trashcan(s) away from it as soon as possible for.... whatever reason.
I suppose since its not my yard I don't have to mow it and they do. Will see how that goes if they call me about my trashcans. :laugh:
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 23, 2011, 04:28:39 PM
Sorry , Judy, didn't mean for this to follow one of your insightful posts. :'( Just didn't care for the slight on the good people of New York. :P
You are such a jerk saying New york was figuratively speaking., and I doubt you are sorry about anything.
It could be any city, get it. We are not the city where you don't know your neighbor or the drug dealer next door.
You should apologize to Patriot if you have any sense.
He in my strong opinion is a far better person than you and I 'd far sooner trust him than you.
If you were to measure your lot, you would find that you own to the sidewalk, but you are required to maintain the area in front of your lot, the ditch. It has been that way for quite some time. Part of living in a city. You don't own the alley either, and blocking it constitutes a fire hazard. Howards ordinances don't differ from any other city. Why put your trash on the street anyway? So the dogs that are running loose can string it everywhere? Now there's an ordinance that needs enforcing, the leash law.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 04:51:21 PM
There was NO slight against the good people of NYC in the above quote. I read it as a point that HOWARD is NOT NYC, so why try to enforce some of the stupidest codes and laws like it is?
In fact, the only "slights" I see in your postings are slights against people right here in Elk County. Yet you want to :'( because you felt he was "slighting" NYC? SOSDD from you as well, Heifer.
Ronnie, no, I'm sure a lot of people don't know the Patriot we know, or they wouldn't say the things about him that they say and try to paint him as a monster and then turn around and call him infantile...go figure! :P
May the Lord forgive the moronic.
Can I get an amen on that.
Watch out Ross , this thread could take over your beloved Elk County Handout!
A lot of it is hand in hand, Jefe!
Quote from: Ross on August 23, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
My the Lord forgive the moronic.
Can I get an amen on that.
Amen, My the Lord ::)
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 23, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
Watch out Ross , this thread could take over your beloved Elk County Handout!
You cant deal with that thread can you?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 23, 2011, 05:31:57 PMIf you were to measure your lot, you would find that you own to the sidewalk, but you are required to maintain the area in front of your lot, the ditch. It has been that way for quite some time. Part of living in a city. You don't own the alley either, and blocking it constitutes a fire hazard. Howards ordinances don't differ from any other city. Why put your trash on the street anyway? So the dogs that are running loose can string it everywhere? Now there's an ordinance that needs enforcing, the leash law.
No issue with the alley. I don't put my trash on the street, I put it in my yard... you know, the grassy part NEXT to the street. I'm sure I pay taxes to, if not into, the street. If they have such a problem with the trashcans they can use some of the money they get from me and maintain their property themselves, I'm not dealing with their crap any more.
Wonder what they'll do... confiscate my trashcans or maybe just fine me... hmm... :police:
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 05:25:27 AM
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P.S. Once upon a time, Wilma had complained about the johnson grass at the county yard looking horrible and I remember her and a certain county commissioner on here discussing it. That same county commissioner stated that she went down and mowed around the county yard, just to make Wilma happy. (Even though no one that works down at the county yard remembers her mowing)..Where is that District 2 County Commissioner in this? Why didn't she feel "the need" to go help by mowing this womans' yard? Not close enough to election time?
You know what. My husband and Mary Harrod used to mow around the county yard. Jim mowed the east and north side and Mary mowed the south side. That all stopped when someone from the road/weed department wrote "F**K YOU" in the grass using weed killer on the east side of the county yard. Jim and Mary both quit mowing that grass. So take that attitude about the county commissioner going down and mowing around the county yard just to make Wilma happy and stick up your ass. I am sick and tired of your self righteous crap, especially when it comes to my mother.
As for Liz Hendricks mowing around the county yard, I don't believe it. Show me a picture that she did. I can tell you a county worker mows it now because I have seen it.
Well , you may not know where the sidewalk is , because there is no sidewalk in many areas, ::) . However , most streets are calculated as 60 Feet, so , 30 feet from the center of the road is where your property begins, but you have to maintain the grassy area you speak of. A good question is why the city mows some of said property and not all, especially since you can't mow some of the ditch area without a weedeater. Once we get curb and gutter streets that will not be an issue, but do you want to pay for that? ;)
Excuse me Janet...I don't believe for a minute that Liz Hendricks goes and mows anything at the road department. That is what SHE wrote on this forum! So excuse you, I was trying to make a point that she said she mowed down there. And yes it was said that she did it for your mother so your mother wouldn't have to look at it anymore (but she didn't think she would be able to get them to plant any flowers). So therefore, I was NOT trying to be self righteous about YOUR mother and I will not stick a damned thing up my ass!
As for whoever wrote that in the grass, I don't believe anyone from the county was EVER found guilty on that. It was suggested that some kids had done it. So don't be accusing people without proof.
From Liz Hendricks:
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General Category / The Coffee Shop / Re: Wishes That Will Never Come True
on: May 10, 2009, 08:59:19 pm
Wilma - I agree - I wish the county yard was outside the city limits and we only had ONE to deal with - a centralized road shop. Last year because you commented on the condition of the county road shop, I personally mowed the ditches my self twice atleast. I know the guys should do it, but I guess I would rather have them on a blade rather than a lawnmower. Besides I have nothing else to do. However, I don't think flowers will be growing anytime soon. But I will see what we can do about the appearance of it. And yes residents do live around the other two shops also. They just haven't found the forum yet.
Ease up Janet, we all know where they get their jollies. Your family gets the utmost of respect from this sector. No convincing the "Howard Haters" otherwise. This thread just gave them something new to jump on, since their other thread is Dyyyyyinggggg.
Quote from: Ross on August 23, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
May the Lord forgive the moronic.
Can I get an amen on that.
AMEN
RE: Trash cans left beside the street after trash pickup.
Why would anyone want to leave their trash can where it could blow around, get hit by traffic or used for target practice? Why do some people not think about how their property looks when it is unkempt? Why do some people wonder why property in Howard isn't worth much when they can see why nobody wants to buy it?
There is one little word that explains the reasons that the city wants the yards mowed and the trash cans put away between pickup days. It is "PRIDE". Pride in the appearance of your home. Pride in the appearance of your community. Pride that is visible to visitors. Pride in your community that just might tempt outsiders to become insiders.
Excuse me, boys, but why are you squabbling over the rules and regulations of a town that you don't live in?
Because their other sacred cow is DOA...The thread is effectively dead. So...Instead of staying on their own pile of dung, they're moving their brand of stink over to the Coffee Shop. So much for a safe haven from the haters on the Forum...
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 23, 2011, 06:18:25 PM
Ease up Janet, we all know where they get their jollies. Your family gets the utmost of respect from this sector. No convincing the "Howard Haters" otherwise. This thread just gave them something new to jump on, since their other thread is Dyyyyyinggggg.
We are not Howard haters, you sir have no clue apparently what is going on.
Or do you? Do you believe Ek is all about Howard? Is that what you are trying to say?
And I believe as I have said before I believe you are just a bully.
Why?
Because of all the hateful statements you make when you have nothing intellegent to say.
no sir, that thread is not dead.
There were just recentlly seven more responses on it.
Yes, defenders showed up being ugly with their messages.
Letting all know they lack the decency to be honorable.
But it is still alive, even thought you can not aswer the posts responsibly.
I wish you a good evening.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 23, 2011, 06:18:25 PM
Ease up Janet, we all know where they get their jollies. Your family gets the utmost of respect from this sector. No convincing the "Howard Haters" otherwise. This thread just gave them something new to jump on, since their other thread is Dyyyyyinggggg.
Thank you, Jefe. I appreciate your support.
@Hillbilly, no one was convicted because your county commissioner, (she is not mine because I didn't vote for her), said no one could prove who did it. I can tell you exactly who did it and he still works for the road/weed department. Anyway, neither here nor there. It's really funny, I think, that the county commissioner didn't even ask the sheriff's office to investigate it. But, then, you work at the Longton shop, I think, so what would you know?
@ everyone else...this thread started off from David talking about the city telling a disabled person that she needed to mow her grass or get taxed because the city had to mow it. Then it went to talking about trash pretty fast.
I can remember when everyone hated Francis E. Bliss because of trash dumpsters. Gosh, I'm so glad I am not in public office anymore. I get to say what I think. LOL
Quote from: warsey on August 22, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
When I lived in Howard I used to mow my nieghbors lawn when I mowed
mine. It wasnt that big a deal.She was 86yrs old at the time.I was just
thankful for her friendship.
Hey, warsey. Good to see you online. And as for you helping your neighbor, you were always one of the nicest people I have ever known. I sure didn't know you had moved to Moline. LOL
Quote from: Janet Harrington on August 23, 2011, 08:02:29 PM
@Hillbilly, no one was convicted because your county commissioner, (she is not mine because I didn't vote for her), said no one could prove who did it. I can tell you exactly who did it and he still works for the road/weed department. Anyway, neither here nor there. It's really funny, I think, that the county commissioner didn't even ask the sheriff's office to investigate it. But, then, you work at the Longton shop, I think, so what would you know?
Hey, I didn't vote for her either...Not my district, wouldn't if it was my district. Work out of the Longton shop? Damn straight. So what would I know? Apparently more than you. Apparently you with all your wisdom and knowledge (don't get the big head because that was sarcasm) you're not all that intelligent with the ongoings in your own district, much less county or you would've realized that there has been several people hired before and after the infamous word writing in the grass incident across from your momma's house. Did the sheriff's department investigate it? I'm going to say no to wasting the taxpayer's dime on a dirty word wrote in the grass. People are innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. Why don't you tell us who you think it is so they can sue you? And if you ain't willing to put that name out there, then shut up. Go back to shaking your doors and making I.D. badges. I believe there are more important things that are wrong with this county now (and in the past) than something that happened with grass. Even Fall River has had it's share of mistakes, right?----Robert
P.S. The point made about Liz mowing earlier in this thread was not intended to rehash this subject. If Elk Konnected cares so much about appearance and physical image, you would think one of those steering members/owners could go help a disabled woman out with mowing their yard. That was the point being made!
Quote from: Wilma on August 23, 2011, 06:41:14 PM
RE: Trash cans left beside the street after trash pickup.
Why would anyone want to leave their trash can where it could blow around, get hit by traffic or used for target practice? Why do some people not think about how their property looks when it is unkempt? Why do some people wonder why property in Howard isn't worth much when they can see why nobody wants to buy it?
There is one little word that explains the reasons that the city wants the yards mowed and the trash cans put away between pickup days. It is "PRIDE". Pride in the appearance of your home. Pride in the appearance of your community. Pride that is visible to visitors. Pride in your community that just might tempt outsiders to become insiders.
Excuse me, boys, but why are you squabbling over the rules and regulations of a town that you don't live in?
Pro 16:18 KJV - Pride [goeth] before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Pro 16:19 KJV - Better [it is to be] of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
10 pages and counting...Here we go...
Gonna bet on this one too? ;)
Quote from: Wilma on August 23, 2011, 06:41:14 PM
RE: Trash cans left beside the street after trash pickup.
Why would anyone want to leave their trash can where it could blow around, get hit by traffic or used for target practice? Why do some people not think about how their property looks when it is unkempt? Why do some people wonder why property in Howard isn't worth much when they can see why nobody wants to buy it?
There is one little word that explains the reasons that the city wants the yards mowed and the trash cans put away between pickup days. It is "PRIDE". Pride in the appearance of your home. Pride in the appearance of your community. Pride that is visible to visitors. Pride in your community that just might tempt outsiders to become insiders.
Excuse me, boys, but why are you squabbling over the rules and regulations of a town that you don't live in?
How about maybe because someone setup their trashcans so that they don't blow around, or maybe they set it out and had to leave town for a little while, or maybe a hundred other reasons.
Pride? How about some pride for an excessive tax burden, absolute mismanagement of nearly every possible thing they can control, ridiculous laws that take away personal property and money (money is actually property by the way), laws that are only enforced on people they want them enforced on but not others (which is unconstitutional by the way)... shall I go on?
On pride in the appearance of the community, the City of Howard is doing an excellent job in that area by put down some fresh new roads... I mean, gravel roads... in town. Sure, they tried doing a "chip and seal" but did it so wrong that we are left with loose gravel roads that will likely tear up what was remaining of our paved roads and probably only last a few months. Michigan already has some bare spots where it looked more like a "dust and seal" job.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 08:23:52 PM
If Elk Konnected cares so much about appearance and physical image, you would think one of those steering members/owners could go help a disabled woman out with mowing their yard. That was the point being made!
Come on hillbilly you know executives don't do manual labor.
They could have found a follower to volunteer though, don't you think.
I forgot to enforce ordances.
Have a good night hillbillies, I'm out-a-here for the night.
Quote from: Patriot on August 23, 2011, 12:43:47 PM
I don't really think this thread was about good people helping neighbors in the first place. I see it as more of an indictment of a small town government who are so arrogant as to believe that hammering the elderly for $75 to do a $10 mowing job is necessary at all. In a town the size of Howard are such 'enforcement' actions really necessary, or could someone with the city not found one of those helpers in the community? Howard isn't, after all, New York City.... so why act like it?
This is just what it was about! Thank you Patriot!
Quote from: frawin on August 23, 2011, 12:46:53 PM
I will reserve answering that till I know what the whole story is on this. I still think there is more to that story than what has been said.
I think second guessing is not needed here! This was and remains about an interned lady, house bound on a set income and the lack of commpassion this City offers and has always offered! I am ashamed of the way they run things; however I am very proud of most of my neighbors who rise to the occasion! May God Bless you all!
Quote from: mtcookson on August 23, 2011, 05:20:52 PM
Apparently that grassy part of your yard, right next to the street, isn't your yard and you need to move your trashcan(s) away from it as soon as possible for.... whatever reason.
I suppose since its not my yard I don't have to mow it and they do. Will see how that goes if they call me about my trashcans. :laugh:
I am with you! If they hold an eight foot right of easment, then that is their land and the should be responsible for the upkeep!
Quote from: Ross on August 23, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
You are such a jerk saying New york was figuratively speaking., and I doubt you are sorry about anything.
It could be any city, get it. We are not the city where you don't know your neighbor or the drug dealer next door.
You should apologize to Patriot if you have any sense.
He in my strong opinion is a far better person than you and I 'd far sooner trust him than you.
Ross, I am with you! Don't let the asshats get you down!
Quote from: Ross on August 23, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
May the Lord forgive the moronic.
Can I get an amen on that.
Amen Brother, Amen!!!
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 23, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
Watch out Ross , this thread could take over your beloved Elk County Handout!
Mr. I don't know who you are, but it seems to me it would serve you well to stop picking on people and pull your head out of your ass! You formulated opinions do not seem to be formulated in reason or logic! If you cannot bring something possitive, then you may be better off closing your mouth!
Quote from: David on August 23, 2011, 09:28:39 PMMr. I don't know who you are, but it seems to me it would serve you well to stop picking on people and pull your head out of your ass! You formulated opinions do not seem to be formulated in reason or logic! If you cannot bring something possitive, then you may be better off closing your mouth!
Unless they are making personal attacks or threats I see no reason they should stop talking... it helps make them look even more foolish. ;)
Quote from: mtcookson on August 23, 2011, 09:31:43 PM
Unless they are making personal attacks or threats I see no reason they should stop talking... it helps make them look even more foolish. ;)
Can we get another AMEN!
Amen. But let them say all they want.... rational folks in this county need to know the truth about those who are running things and their supporters.
Quote from: Patriot on August 23, 2011, 09:41:16 PM
Amen. But let them say all they want.... rational folks in this county need to know the truth about those who are running things and their supporters.
Another Mighty Amen! Thanks again! We seemed to have moved away from the original thread! But that's OK, it might get people to thinking! This city and County has been corrupt for years! Pray for the best! Love you and like thinkers, David! Sure I'll catch some shit over this... Just gotta laugh!
Quote from: David on August 23, 2011, 09:53:50 PM
Another Mighty Amen! Thanks again! We seemed to have moved away from the original thread! But that's OK, it might get people to thinking! This city and County has been corrupt for years! Pray for the best! Love you and like thinkers, David! Sure I'll catch some shit over this... Just gotta laugh!
You were gettin shit on a long time before this... now you get to catch it from the peanut gallery.
Quote from: Patriot on August 23, 2011, 09:59:30 PM
You were gettin shit on a long time before this... now you get to catch it from the peanut gallery.
HAHAHA! You are so right, but hell, I love peanuts!
Quote from: David on August 23, 2011, 09:37:10 PM
Can we get another AMEN!
Amen Brother, Amen!!!
Quote from: mtcookson on August 23, 2011, 09:31:43 PM
Unless they are making personal attacks or threats I see no reason they should stop talking... it helps make them look even more foolish. ;)
Good one mtcookson.
Let them hammer me all they want. I can take it, because it is out of ignorant arrogance.
Have a ball with it.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 08:28:12 PM
Gonna bet on this one too? ;)
;D ;D Let's just say...I received enough in the mail, having won the previous bet, to eat out on all that foolishness, three times at Logan's Roadhouse, at full price. Keep up the good work...I love not having to cook! ::) ::) ::)
B.S.
B.S.
B.S.
Getting pretty deep in here.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 24, 2011, 05:03:57 AM
;D ;D Let's just say...I received enough in the mail, having won the previous bet, to eat out on all that foolishness, three times at Logan's Roadhouse, at full price. Keep up the good work...I love not having to cook! ::) ::) ::)
Well geez, I thought you were going to buy school supplies for the kids....Now you're gonna use it to eat out 3 times a week...How soon you forget... ::)
Remember you said: My only real interest in seeing this thread be continued is that it will finance a small part of the shortfall in funding that my class will be experiencing this coming fall...
General Category / Politics / Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
on: July 31, 2011, 06:21:57 pm
Quote from: Catwoman on August 24, 2011, 05:03:57 AM
;D ;D Let's just say...I received enough in the mail, having won the previous bet, to eat out on all that foolishness, three times at Logan's Roadhouse, at full price. Keep up the good work...I love not having to cook! ::) ::) ::)
Well to hell with feed the children...let's feed the teacher... ::) Oh, I know...You were just joking about eating at Logan's 3 times a week...It really
is all about the children and not you...
You said:
You're going to make me enough money to be able to buy first day treats for my students!!!
General Category / Politics / Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
on: July 31, 2011, 04:26:00 pm
Oh boy I just love small towns
It continues to amaze me that people continue to live in a town that they are so dissatisfied with. Hasn't anyone heard about moving? Oh, yes, it is easier to just stay put and put down everything good, isn't it? How about doing something useful about what you don't like? How about running for city council or county commission? This forum isn't the best place to spread your discontent.
Quote from: Wilma on August 24, 2011, 07:19:39 AM
It continues to amaze me that people continue to live in a town that they are so dissatisfied with. Hasn't anyone heard about moving? Oh, yes, it is easier to just stay put and put down everything good, isn't it? How about doing something useful about what you don't like? How about running for city council or county commission? This forum isn't the best place to spread your discontent.
???? Lets see if i get you right!
Good = mismanagement of funds...
Good = Jacking taxes up to fund mismanagement of funds
Good = closing schools because of the mismanagement of funds
Good = Threatening disabled and handicapped citizens with fines
Good = co-mingling taxpayer monies with private business and no accountability invovled
Good = wasting tax dollars to call people about their trashcans. (Someone was paid to do that)
Hmmmm All for the kids right!? All for the Good of who? Howard or elk county?
Sounds like all the good thats being done is killing the county
Quote from: Wilma on August 24, 2011, 07:19:39 AM
It continues to amaze me that people continue to live in a town that they are so dissatisfied with. Hasn't anyone heard about moving? Oh, yes, it is easier to just stay put and put down everything good, isn't it? How about doing something useful about what you don't like? How about running for city council or county commission? This forum isn't the best place to spread your discontent.
Moving would be easier if the economy wasn't in the tank but perhaps some people don't want to move to begin with, maybe they like being in a small town or don't want to move away from family. This forum is a great place to talk about all of the wrong things going on, it informs others living here about the problems so that hopefully it will bring the people together to help fix the problems or, when the time comes, vote in some new people that will actually manage this area correctly and help fix the problems.
So are you going to go public and try for an office where we can all complain about you? I moved here knowing that there were rules and regulations connected to living in a small town. By moving here, I agreed to live by those rules and regulations. The city ordinances are not made to torment a few. They are made for the safety and wishes of the many. You all know that I don't like looking at unkempt property. I also don't like looking at someone's trash cans setting by the curb day after day. I don't like the occasional dog that is running loose. I drive the streets, also, just not as often as most of you. I look at it as the price we have to pay for the benefits of living in a small town. We all have to do our part in keeping the environment as pleasant as possible for our neighbors.
If you think Howard is bad, try living in Sedgwick County and doing as you want in regards to your own property.
this whole thread is ridiculous. I know personally what it is not to be able to mow. When I moved here, I done the mistake to buy a house on the wrong side of the street and have a ditch that needs mowed with a push mower. I tried it once and couldn't handle the mower on those slopes. My neighbor (now deceased) gladly mowed it free of charge. Come Christmas time I sent a card with a heartfelt thank you and made a donation to the West Elk Teachers Org. for scholarships in the name of my neighbor. Last summer I had the same problem, no one to mow my ditch. Another neighbor gladly took it on and I do the same donation in his name. Both refused payment for this service to me. They were just being good neighbors. There is not a doubt that if my whole yard needed mowed, he would do it. I bet there are a few in this city that have been sentenced to "community service". This is the sort of thing they could do. As for Elk Konnected - I do believe they have organized clean up crews more than a few times, and not just for Howard. I don't know a lot about that organization, but there is always something in the paper about what is happening and it is all good and a service to Elk County. I also know for a fact that Diane makes donations to causes in Elk County so that remark to her was completely uncalled for. This bickering among citizens is part of the problem around here. Instead of saying "so and so or such and such" could have mower this lady's yard. Instead of passing the buck, why don't YOU do it yourself. Then you can post it on here so everybody can pat you on the back and give you ALL the credit for openly doing a good deed. To sum it up, I think THERE ARE TOO MANY CHIEFS AND NOT ENOUGH INDIANS IN ELK COUNTY. (or people that want to be the chief)
Quote from: Wilma on August 24, 2011, 10:10:51 AMSo are you going to go public and try for an office where we can all complain about you?
Heh, if I were ever to get into a public office and change things the way I'd like (the correct way) I'm sure I'd have a handful of complainers (when are there not?) while the majority would enjoy getting some of their freedom back as well as saving a decent amount of money.
QuoteI also don't like looking at someone's trash cans setting by the curb day after day.
What if I don't like the look of your house? Does that mean you need to remove it and have a better looking house built?
How about someone's car? I think Pontiac Aztec's are absolutely hideous (as do many, many others). Should they be required to get rid of it for a better looking vehicle? No really, it will help improve the look of the town getting rid of such a hideous vehicle.
Seriously... people only want to live in peace and be left alone, is that so much to ask?
You know actually, if you have such a problem seeing trashcans how about we just get rid of the trash service altogether so that people can take their trash right to the dump. I'm sure that would go over extremely well with the majority, no longer having to see trashcans ever again.
QuoteI drive the streets, also, just not as often as most of you. I look at it as the price we have to pay for the benefits of living in a small town.
The price we have to pay being MORE than is necessary for sub par roads and services? Seriously?? If this area were managed properly and money wasn't constantly wasted we could easily have nice roads, better services, and lower taxes. Mismanagement and wasteful spending is exactly the reason we do not.
QuoteThe city ordinances are not made to torment a few. They are made for the safety and wishes of the many.
If they were made for the few, the ordinance would never be able to legally pass. Enforcement of the ordinance(s) on the other hand currently seems to be targeting only a few, not all as is required by law... you know, equal protection under the law.
As far as being made by the wishes of the many... I highly doubt that. There were probably a hand full of complainers and city leaders saw a nice way to make some money or maybe just wanted to fix the squeaky wheel.
Oddly though it seems as though one particular ordinance wasn't even enforced till around last year or so... around 10 years, if I remember correctly, after the ordinance was created.
QuoteIf you think Howard is bad, try living in Sedgwick County and doing as you want in regards to your own property.
Living in a small town to do what you want with your property is the very reason for living in a small town. Howard seems to want to change everything to act as if it were a large city, you know... because who would want or even need freedom? Freedom... what a ridiculous thought. ::)
Quote from: flothis whole thread is ridiculous.
No, not even close. This thread is bringing to light some of the ridiculous things the City of Howard has started doing lately. Unless everyone just wants to lay down and let the city do whatever it wants, this thread is not ridiculous by any means.
We actually need more of these threads to teach the people who actually live here what our leaders are trying to do to us.
Quote from: mtcookson on August 24, 2011, 11:18:43 AM
We actually need more of these threads to teach the people who actually live here what our leaders are trying to do to us.
You're right, mtcookson. What a concept, open discussion and debate. Messy, at times, but necessary.
Now add the management of Howard to that of the county, 4 other towns and 2 school boards. It all adds up, and it all affects the taxpayers directly and all residents in one way or another. Never EXPECT that which you don't INSPECT. 'Elect & forget' can never be an good option in a free society. Looks like the folks in Elk County may have been doing that for way too long. The voters nationwide obviously have.
Socialism - the equal sharing of misery
Yep, that's what you are trying to do here. How bout some comments about the GOOD things about living in small town America? Howard being one of them. When did you last hear of a drive by shooting in Howard? You hear plenty in the city. When was the last time you heard of a bank being robbed in Howard? there's one robbed just about every day in the city. When was the last time you went to the city and half the people there smiled and waved at you? You'll see that every day in Howard. You can choose to be a pessimist or optimist, a doer or a complainer, but you can't do it by yourself so you try to enlist others to join in your misery. I choose to be an optimist and a doer (what I can) and will continue to wave and smile and thank the person who held the door open for me when entering the PO or grocery store. That's something else you won't see much of in the city. Our city council and county commissioners are hell if they do and hell if they don't. Remember this? You can satisfy all the people part of the time, you can satisfy part of the people all the time and then there are those that you will never satisfy, regardless of what you do. :-\
IF i remember right someone said something about a drive by shooting in elk not too long ago!
Quote from: flo on August 24, 2011, 12:11:18 PM
Socialism - the equal sharing of misery
Yep, that's what you are trying to do here.
I... uh... wow... that's just so laughable that the only response I have is to teach you what that statement means.
Under socialism the government attempts to keep everyone as equal as they can. Since it would be impossible to give every single person a nice living with a nice car and house and food always on the table everyone has to settle for much less, everyone ends up being equal in misery (except for the actual socialists in power).
What am I trying to do here? Well, oddly enough I'm actually trying to point out that our local government is doing an excellent job at making everyone here miserable (well, except for a few, it seems, who love being controlled by their government).
QuoteHow bout some comments about the GOOD things about living in small town America? Howard being one of them. When did you last hear of a drive by shooting in Howard? You hear plenty in the city. When was the last time you heard of a bank being robbed in Howard? there's one robbed just about every day in the city.
Probably because around here, someone will shoot back.
QuoteWhen was the last time you went to the city and half the people there smiled and waved at you? You'll see that every day in Howard. You can choose to be a pessimist or optimist, a doer or a complainer, but you can't do it by yourself so you try to enlist others to join in your misery.
Seriously? How am I "trying to enlist others to join in my misery"? You're making yourself look like a fool. I'm POINTING OUT that our local government is trying to make most people here miserable. Its taking some effort to keep myself from laughing out loud over your statements.
QuoteI choose to be an optimist and a doer (what I can) and will continue to wave and smile and thank the person who held the door open for me when entering the PO or grocery store. That's something else you won't see much of in the city.
There's a difference between being an optimist and simply being in denial. Unless you're just being optimistic in the hopes that the local government(s) will try taking even more power there is absolutely no reason to be optimistic with our current leadership. They are only going to drag us deeper and deeper into debt, continue to mismanage anything they can get their hands on, waste money, and cause us to become even more miserable.
When the town(s) and county goes completely broke and people are forced to leave... will you still stick around? Doubtful.
Actually, when it comes to doors and big cities I've had quite a few friendly people hold the door for me or others in larger cities. I almost always hold it for someone if they are near. Sure, a lot of big cities have their seemingly unfriendly or uncaring residents but not all of them are that way.
QuoteOur city council and county commissioners are hell if they do and hell if they don't. Remember this? You can satisfy all the people part of the time, you can satisfy part of the people all the time and then there are those that you will never satisfy, regardless of what you do. :-\
Sure, you can do things that satisfy a whole group or a single person but if they continue to do things that HURT everyone they are not doing anything right.
If the government listens to people that are delusional and irrational and does things that clearly, factually, historically, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WORK... the government then is as delusional and irrational as the people they should not have listened to. Sometimes you just have to leave the squeaky wheel alone and focus on the bigger picture, you know, like when everything around the squeaky wheel is on fire.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 24, 2011, 12:13:23 PMIF i remember right someone said something about a drive by shooting in elk not too long ago!
Doing a very quick search online I was able to find this: http://www.taylornews.org/mcc/2011/04/01/drive-by-shooting-in-elk-city-nets-3-arrests/
Elk City and somewhere in Elk County.
QuoteYou're making yourself look like a fool.
My mom is far from a fool. Think you better check yourself with it.
QuoteThere's a difference between being an optimist and simply being in denial.
Having a different opinion than YOURS does not make her in denial.
QuoteWhen the town(s) and county goes completely broke and people are forced to leave... will you still stick around? Doubtful.
Yes I bet she will.
I've read ALL these friggin threads............I've got in a few pissin matches with you all when you get to spoutin and talkin about how stupid anybody who doesnt agree with you all is........the fact of the matter is you all would get a hell of a lot farther a hell of a lot faster by postin facts and saving the condescending bullshit.
Yall are like a bunch of vultures settin and waitin for the poor rabbits who think they actually have the same rights to their opinions as YOU do to speak up and you pounce on em and "leave em bloody" with your "razor sharp wit" and "superior intellects" ::)
You all forget most of these people you are pouncin on have been there a HELL of a lot longer than you have and the SAME shit different day stuff has been goin on since THEY got there. Callin people stupid or "fools" on the internet is not gonna change ANY of it. Yall need to respect your elders.
My goodness. So now most people in Howard are miserable? Ya coulda fooled me. Perhaps just being neighborly to each other would help that.
Of course I don't know what ordinances you few are complaining about, but most I am familiar with have to do with health and safety and curb appeal for property values according to the general value of homes in a general area or neighborhood.
I happen to like everyone who lives here in my neighborhood and would be totally embarrassed to have my place so tall and scraggly, and full of thistles, Polk, poison ivy, bind weed or other noxious weeds as to be a fire hazard, attract vermin, or be a general eyesore with junk or whatever in the front yard for my neighbors to have to put up with. I just wouldn't do it to them.
Why is permission to live that way considered "freedom?'' It's much easier to live that way out in the country on a large property. You have to give up some of that when you live in town cheek by jowl. Ya don't like it, live else where.You have the freedom to go somewhere else where people don't care about how their places look.
People who only want to be "left alone"don't ever do well in town. People who are so concerned should learn the character of the town before they move there. There are so few of you out there, I just can't understand how you can find so much to squabble about. Bye now.
Diane,
Some of the fuss is about where trash cans are placed. Most people keep them behind the house or close to the back door or garage. On trash days, either Thursday or Friday, the cans are moved out to the curbside for pick-up.
Some people have chosen to keep their trash cans by the curbside all the time instead of toting them back and forth during the week. Letters have been sent to some of them asking them to move the cans back during the week, to keep the curb appeal more aesthetically pleasing.
When we moved here some 20+ years ago, we received a letter asking us not to keep our trash out for everyone to see all the time.
I personally think people have a right to put their trash cans wherever they please.
I also think we should all make an effort to keep our neighbors as aesthetically pleasing as possible. I'm aware that (for some) is difficult because of financial and physical constraints, but that's not usually the problem with trash cans.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on August 24, 2011, 01:04:17 PM
My mom is far from a fool. Think you better check yourself with it.
You check yourself. I did not call her a fool. I said what she is saying is making her look like a fool. She's simply misunderstanding what I had typed.
QuoteHaving a different opinion than YOURS does not make her in denial.
If it were an opinion I would absolutely agree. Being that it is a fact that our local governments are wasting money and mismanaging everything you would have to be in denial to disagree with that statement.
Now... if it is her opinion that the government is doing things correctly by wasting money and mismanagement then there shouldn't be any reason for her to not be optimistic about the future (unless we can get some new people in there of course).
QuoteYes I bet she will.
Soooo... when there are no services in the area and you have to at the very least head to Eureka or further to purchase your everyday needs you think she would? Like I said... doubtful.
QuoteI've read ALL these friggin threads............I've got in a few pissin matches with you all when you get to spoutin and talkin about how stupid anybody who doesnt agree with you all is........the fact of the matter is you all would get a hell of a lot farther a hell of a lot faster by postin facts and saving the condescending bullshit.
Yall are like a bunch of vultures settin and waitin for the poor rabbits who think they actually have the same rights to their opinions as YOU do to speak up and you pounce on em and "leave em bloody" with your "razor sharp wit" and "superior intellects" ::)
You all forget most of these people you are pouncin on have been there a HELL of a lot longer than you have and the SAME shit different day stuff has been goin on since THEY got there. Callin people stupid or "fools" on the internet is not gonna change ANY of it. Yall need to respect your elders.
To my knowledge I've not called anyone stupid or a fool for disagreeing with me and don't intend to. Again, as above, I was saying her reply made her look foolish. I intend to point out the facts and of course have to put in my personal opinions when needed but I have no intention to call anyone here stupid unless someone is, without any doubt, being stupid. I only see misunderstanding and/or misinformation, not stupidity.
So living in some place longer than others somehow makes any of this different? If anything, that makes it worse since people who have lived here longer than others LET this happen by seemingly doing nothing nor bringing it up. Granted years back people didn't have this excellent forum to talk about this kind of stuff but now we do and hopefully now we can try fixing what has been breaking for years.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2011, 01:20:47 PM
My goodness. So now most people in Howard are miserable? Ya coulda fooled me. Perhaps just being neighborly to each other would help that.
You know they are not? Really? I'm sure everyone has a HUGE smile on their face when they go to pay taxes that are probably at least two times more than many other areas in Kansas. Go into the tag office, register a new vehicle, and tell me you won't walk out of there feeling abused.
QuoteOf course I don't know what ordinances you few are complaining about, but most I am familiar with have to do with health
No
Quoteand safety
No
Quoteand curb appeal for property values according to the general value of homes in a general area or neighborhood.
Maybe at first, until they decided to do a piss poor jobs on our roads. I absolutely guarantee these new roads are going to lower property values even further.
Though... if my property values fall that means I should be paying less in taxes when they're based on value. Plus it will make it a little easier to sell in this horrible economy if I had to. ;D
QuoteI happen to like everyone who lives here in my neighborhood and would be totally embarrassed to have my place so tall and scraggly, and full of thistles, Polk, poison ivy, bind weed or other noxious weeds as to be a fire hazard, attract vermin, or be a general eyesore with junk or whatever in the front yard for my neighbors to have to put up with. I just wouldn't do it to them.
Why is permission to live that way considered "freedom?'' It's much easier to live that way out in the country on a large property. You have to give up some of that when you live in town cheek by jowl. Ya don't like it, live else where.You have the freedom to go somewhere else where people don't care about how their places look.
You also have the freedom to leave or just not look. I'm not saying I leave my yard as a forest... though it did start looking bad there for a while when the heat got nasty... but anyway, for the city to threaten someone who simply can't mow their yard that is wrong. Someone from the city should have instead asked around and seen if anyone would donate their time to mow the yard.
QuotePeople who only want to be "left alone"don't ever do well in town. People who are so concerned should learn the character of the town before they move there. There are so few of you out there, I just can't understand how you can find so much to squabble about. Bye now.
So few of us out there? Uh huh... sure. Sorry, I should have made my statement a little more clear but when I say "left alone" I'm talking about the government leaving people alone. Ask people if they just want to live in peace and be left alone by the government I'm know a clear, large, majority would say yes.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on August 24, 2011, 01:44:32 PMI personally think people have a right to put their trash cans wherever they please.
Thank you!
I'm personally not saying people should just be throwing trash by the curb and having it piled there forever, that would indeed look bad. Having a couple trash cans at the edge of the street does not look bad to me and certainly would look better than a pile of bags on the street where animals could have a very easy time ripping in and getting some rotting treats.
Harassing people about simple trashcans being next to the street is absolutely ridiculous though.
A.D.D. moment: There are some trashcans I'd rather see in place of some pretty bad looking mailboxes. :laugh:
Quote from: mtcookson on August 24, 2011, 01:46:40 PM
You know they are not? Really? I'm sure everyone has a HUGE smile on their face when they go to pay taxes that are probably at least two times more than many other areas in Kansas.
Maybe at first, until they decided to do a piss poor jobs on our roads. I absolutely guarantee these new roads are going to lower property values even further.
Though... if my property values fall that means I should be paying less in taxes when they're based on value. Plus it will make it a little easier to sell in this horrible economy if I had to. ;D
You are going to love this mtcookson.
The county assessor was just out here at my place measuring the partial roof I have over my deck.
It's been there for at least 5 years.
He couldn't or wouldn't say what was going on.
I do know they have a new system on their computers for calculating taxes
but I don't know if they have started using it.
But just the same, I think we should prepare fo larger county taxes coming soon.
Elk County appears to shooting for the number on position on the highest property taxes in Kansas.
Right now I believe we are number two.
You hang in there, you have every right to you opinion about micromanagement and poor management.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 08:23:52 PM
Go back to shaking your doors and making I.D. badges.
You need to know what you are talking about before you spout off as to what I do. I do not shake doors. I do, however; make ID badges. Guess you don't know everything, now, do you?
QuoteThe county assessor was just out here at my place measuring the partial roof I have over my deck.
It's been there for at least 5 years.
Going to call you out on this one Ross.
It is not the Appraiser (Assessor as it used to be) that jacks up your taxes. Sure, if you add an overhang, it will increase probably $10 in taxes.
What the new system is now is a Marshall Swift Appraisal Program. It shouldn't change a thing if all goes well.
If nothing has changed on your house, you have to understand that the cost index usually rises .02-3% for new construction costs and materials...then, coupled with the Mil levy....one might pay $100 year more in taxes when the appraiser hasn't changed a thing.
Now, about the fact that you went for 5 years without paying for that overhangd.....I would count my blessings my friend.
ready
I think that if someone has a disability, cannot mow then they should be able to sign up on a list for the football players from high school to mow for free, as a community service/physical training/ and use the old 'push'mower to boot!
It is almost as if the city is penalizing someone for a disability, not a negligence (then, they would attach to the Real Estate Tax bill)
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 24, 2011, 03:53:01 PM
I think that if someone has a disability, cannot mow then they should be able to sign up on a list for the football players from high school to mow for free, as a community service/physical training/ and use the old 'pus'mower to boot!
It is almost as if the city is penalizing someone for a disability, not a negligence (then, they would attach to the Real Estate Tax bill)
ready
Push as in a gas push mower or push as in a reel mower? ;D
http://www.menards.com/main/lawn-garden/outdoor-power-equipment/lawn-mowers/16-reel-mower/p-1494279-c-10112.htm
(http://www.menards.com/main/store/20090519001/items/media/Hardware/HONGK001/ProductMedium/26018_184886_front.jpg)
We can upgrade to a 20" too!
I agree, Mr Cookson! reel mower!
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 24, 2011, 03:47:45 PM
Going to call you out on this one Ross.
It is not the Appraiser (Assessor as it used to be) that jacks up your taxes. Sure, if you add an overhang, it will increase probably $10 in taxes.
What the new system is now is a Marshall Swift Appraisal Program. It shouldn't change a thing if all goes well.
If nothing has changed on your house, you have to understand that the cost index usually rises .02-3% for new construction costs and materials...then, coupled with the Mil levy....one might pay $100 year more in taxes when the appraiser hasn't changed a thing.
Now, about the fact that you went for 5 years without paying for that overhangd.....I would count my blessings my friend.
ready
I think you are right ready. it just seems odd they measured the deck 5 years ago and the partial roof was there then. I guess they could have made an error and not counted it. But they have been out here every year.
They are required by law to measure your house (at least 2 sides) every 6 years.
Then the Appraiser does a 'drive by' every year in the fall/winter for Final Review to set the value for the next year (Jan 1)
The new program was purchased by the state of kansas, and there are glitches (of which the state won't fess up to)
Each county has to massage the data in order for it to be as close as it can be as to the real value that was set last year (notwithstanding additions).
In this thread, as well as others I am seeing Micro-managing at the state and county levels all across our area. (combined counties with one appraiser, combined schools, double duties of a county coordinator that has NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO business in the sppraiser's office...etc.
Can anyone spell Armageddon?
My apologies for taking this thread off the mowing issue...I just got hot for a minute and had to spew!
ready...wiping self up
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 24, 2011, 04:34:00 PM
They are required by law to measure your house (at least 2 sides) every 6 years.
Then the Appraiser does a 'drive by' every year in the fall/winter for Final Review to set the value for the next year (Jan 1)
The new program was purchased by the state of kansas, and there are glitches (of which the state won't fess up to)
Each county has to massage the data in order for it to be as close as it can be as to the real value that was set last year (notwithstanding additions).
In this thread, as well as others I am seeing Micro-managing at the state and county levels all across our area. (combined counties with one appraiser, combined schools, double duties of a county coordinator that has NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO business in the sppraiser's office...etc.
Can anyone spell Armageddon?
My apologies for taking this thread off the mowing issue...I just got hot for a minute and had to spew!
ready...wiping self up
Good points Ready.
Thank you, Ross.
I am not sure how we can keep those in power from abusing that power, other than voting in someone else, and then again...SOSDD as most of some put it..
Speaking up at the commissioner's meeting, I have found to be only a lip service that somehow is comforting to the speaker, but not the Commission.
They hear you, they say they agree, then back to business as usual.
The newly elected commissioner comes in with ideas, energy to be faced with the tired faces of those that have been there for 2 years and are tired.
If it helps any to Elk County residents, there are 4 counties that are in your same boat.
ready...to bail and retire!
QuoteTo my knowledge I've not called anyone stupid or a fool for disagreeing with me and don't intend to. Again, as above, I was saying her reply made her look foolish. I intend to point out the facts and of course have to put in my personal opinions when needed but I have no intention to call anyone here stupid unless someone is, without any doubt, being stupid. I only see misunderstanding and/or misinformation, not stupidity.
Was not singling YOU out.
I live out in boonieville for MANY reasons not the least of which is I do what I want WHEN I want where I want. NO zoning regulations out here where I am.
My neighbor up the road hasnt mowed her place for FOUR years....we gave her one rider and two push mowers she tore em all up, tried to mow it for her us and another neighbor but theres so much crap in the yard it tears stuff up cause you cant see it. Now I just keep a fire zone mowed between me and her and trim the brush back from the road so it dont scratch my truck.
Fact of the matter is if you are going to live in town with a bunch of neighbors you are gonna have rules and regulations and they are gonna be a pain in the ass. You want paved roads and all the other "pluses" of town livin you are gonna pay taxes for em and they are gonna gouge you as much as you'll stand for.
You want different...run for office and change it.
on that I'm over and out....cause I hope NEVER to end up back there
QuoteYou want different...run for office and change it.
While I agree with that statement, I also agree with 'Good Luck With That'
understanding the deep lined pockets of some that vote some in.
I scratch your back ( you vote for me) I scratch yours (I help you out)
See where I am going with this? It is not only in Elk County....it is embedded as tradition in our own goverment, sad to say.
Proof? none.. Policiy changes for specifics....check it out. It's called a Pork Barrell/Cut/Chop....whatever
Whatever happened to merits of one's own standards? I guess the city of Howard just threw the woman that was unable to mow her own yard, and is on a fixed income .......
under the bus.
Business as usual.
Thank all that helped her out. I would do the same.
ready
What is the rest of the story? A city doesn't just issue a judgment and a huge fine without first giving some warnings. I can sympathize with a person who is unable to take care of their yard. But there are handymen around that can be hired to do those things. It was mentioned that this person is headed for a wheel chair in the near future. I am in a wheel chair, but I still get out and do what I can to take care of my yard. What I can't do and what doesn't get done for me, I hire done.
I have to go back to this trash thing that started out as a mowing thing.
I think that Howard has an ordinance about trash cans staying on the edge of the property in between trash days. I think this was passed when Mayor Gragg was in office. I can remember that the Chief was required to write tickets to everyone who didn't remove their trash can after trash day. Now, I could be wrong about the ordinance, but I am not wrong about the tickets. The Chief was extremely upset about having to do this, so I heard all about it.
Anyway, mtcookson, that could be one reason why the city has said something to you. Another reason could be that someone complained about seeing your trash cans out in front of the house even though you maintain that piece of that property.
Quote from: Wilma on August 24, 2011, 06:38:38 PM
What is the rest of the story? A city doesn't just issue a judgment and a huge fine without first giving some warnings. I can sympathize with a person who is unable to take care of their yard. But there are handymen around that can be hired to do those things. It was mentioned that this person is headed for a wheel chair in the near future. I am in a wheel chair, but I still get out and do what I can to take care of my yard. What I can't do and what doesn't get done for me, I hire done.
Mother, I think the lady received a letter telling her what was going to happen if she didn't get the yard mowed. Maybe I read it wrong, but that's what I think was written.
There may have been a warning, Janet/Wilma. That is the normal protocal.
They usually give it 3 times?
However.....the town is what? 250 voters in the city limits? Rules are rules....yet give me a break.
That is like the local cops in a town of 150 putting on lights and sirens after an 83 year old lady for expired tags...and she was just going 2 blocks to get milk!
Isn't there a case by case scenarion or is it....across the board...
In that case, God help you all.
Quote from: Wilma on August 24, 2011, 06:38:38 PM
What is the rest of the story? A city doesn't just issue a judgment and a huge fine without first giving some warnings. I can sympathize with a person who is unable to take care of their yard. But there are handymen around that can be hired to do those things. It was mentioned that this person is headed for a wheel chair in the near future. I am in a wheel chair, but I still get out and do what I can to take care of my yard. What I can't do and what doesn't get done for me, I hire done.
You Wilma are fortunate enough to be able to do and /or have the money to pay to get it done. Not everyone is so fortunate.
MS can be a very debilitating disease both mentally and physically and if this is a young or middle aged person with no real retirement they ar not fortunate enough to have the extra money. I don't know all the facts on the person but my father had MS and a sister had MS and a close friend had MS. I do know a bit about MS.
You and I are fortunate enough to not have it.
Quote from: flo on August 24, 2011, 12:11:18 PM
Socialism - the equal sharing of misery
Yep, that's what you are trying to do here. How bout some comments about the GOOD things about living in small town America? Howard being one of them. When did you last hear of a drive by shooting in Howard? You hear plenty in the city. When was the last time you heard of a bank being robbed in Howard? there's one robbed just about every day in the city. When was the last time you went to the city and half the people there smiled and waved at you? You'll see that every day in Howard. You can choose to be a pessimist or optimist, a doer or a complainer, but you can't do it by yourself so you try to enlist others to join in your misery. I choose to be an optimist and a doer (what I can) and will continue to wave and smile and thank the person who held the door open for me when entering the PO or grocery store. That's something else you won't see much of in the city. Our city council and county commissioners are hell if they do and hell if they don't. Remember this? You can satisfy all the people part of the time, you can satisfy part of the people all the time and then there are those that you will never satisfy, regardless of what you do. :-\
You eloquence doth slip by you by! You make the arguements of a third grader who did not read her first grade books!
Quote from: srkruzich on August 24, 2011, 12:13:23 PM
IF i remember right someone said something about a drive by shooting in elk not too long ago!
It was me Steve, just a backfire from to many campfire beans! LOL
Yes, Ross, we are fortunate that our problems are not MS. However, at this phase of this horrible disease, the person should be on disability and I know that can be sufficient for the needs of a small town citizen. Anyone who has paid into the system is eligible for disability payments and even people who have not paid in can be eligible and do draw from it.
Quote from: Wilma on August 24, 2011, 09:36:15 PM
Yes, Ross, we are fortunate that our problems are not MS. However, at this phase of this horrible disease, the person should be on disability and I know that can be sufficient for the needs of a small town citizen. Anyone who has paid into the system is eligible for disability payments and even people who have not paid in can be eligible and do draw from it.
Wilma, I am trying hard to keep my mouth shut! Her GOOBERMENT check is little more than enough to cover the monthly price of the mansion she lives in, she can't even use the chair in most of he house because it is not accessible. I cut wood for her to burn in the winter, I bring food every chance I get so she will not starve and yes I cut her grass! She is myserable and alone and none of you self righteous people have an answer for the way people hurt! It is real easy to sit back and say you have had it rough when all you have had to deal with was a full belly and a choice of deserts!!! What about the real hungry and those without? Are you ready to forsake your own brother? Sooner or later God will cut you Down!
Quote from: David on August 24, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
Wilma, I am trying hard to keep my mouth shut! Her GOOBERMENT check is little more than enough to cover the monthly price of the mansion she lives in, she can't even use the chair in most of he house because it is not accessible. I cut wood for her to burn in the winter, I bring food every chance I get so she will not starve and yes I cut her grass! She is myserable and alone and none of you self righteous people have an answer for the way people hurt! It is real easy to sit back and say you have had it rough when all you have had to deal with was a full belly and a choice of deserts!!! What about the real hungry and those without? Are you ready to forsake your own brother? Sooner or later God will cut you Down!
Now, now David we have to have some tolerance of those more fortunate than others that don't understand. Especially those that loudly proclaim christianity or the fact they do for the children, especially when the children are not theirs and they want to provide a trip to the city to watch ballet at taxpayers expense while other children do without food and clothing.
So David, let's show a little tolerance and compassion for these folks. So, if they are stuck on the road with a flat tire or have run out of gas, or stuck in a snow drift, I won't drive by flipping the bird but I will stop and offer a hand. Not a hand out, but a hand of help and no tax dollars will be involved.
i have to agree with david on this one as a four county employee the poeple who are on disability still have a huge struggle. SSI which pays on a needs based is for people who have not enough work credits to draw SSDI which is you have enough work credits and you earned what you draw from social security. the cap on what a person on SSI can draw per month is $674.00 per month and they usually get under $50.00 per month in food stamps. doesn't sound so glamours too me. then here is an example for you i worked with a patient who worked all his lifeand his SSDI check was $1500.00 a month,but because he was under retirement age he had to wait 2 years for Medicare insurance. he was eligible for a medical card but he had a $5,600.00 spindown every 6 months before his medical would pay. i guess my point is that disability is not as glamorous as some think it is. Now for my personal opinion after looking at the names that recieve farmers welfare checks they are living the glamorous life. i mean where else could you work that you get paid to set in the local cafe and drink coffee most of the day and get paid thousands for running a business that is a failure year after year? now that is the type of welfare check i want to get!!!!!
I also have personal knowledge of what disability pays. That along with SRS assistance is working quite well for a person I know. It doesn't provide for luxuries and it doesn't always cover something that is wanted, but by managing and saving, this person has what is needed, owns and maintains a car and can afford an occasional luxury. You just have to take advantage of what is available. I would rather pay taxes than to try to find the people that need my assistance and help them. It is cheaper.
Probably the thing that I am most fortunate in is having children that I can ask for help when I need it. I am not totally disabled, I just can't stand or walk, but I do very well in my chair. I keep my house in order so that I can get around in the chair. Before I moved here I had doors replaced so that I could wheel into the bathrooms and my closet. I had the gigantic tub replaced with an oversized shower so I wouldn't need assistance there. I bought appliances that I could use easily. After years of adapting, I know what my needs are now and what I can't do. It is called adjustment. When adjustment means giving up your independence and living where your needs are taken care of, then so be it.
One other thing, the people in Howard are very helpful and charitable. Charity begins at home, but is it charity when it is accompanied by resentment and complaining? Mowing and cleaning an old person's yard is commendable, but it would be more so if the deed were done before it becomes a nuisance.
Now, if I don't get off here and get my day started, I won't be able to get outside before it gets too hot for me.
Quote from: Wilma on August 25, 2011, 07:06:38 AM
I would rather pay taxes than to try to find the people that need my assistance and help them. It is cheaper.
Cheaper? How so?
Government ought to be guarding our individual liberty instead of taking our money to give to others.
Democracy, you say? Rounding up the votes to take other peoples money and property does not make it right either.
Making them give, the anti-American way.
Quote from: Wilma on August 25, 2011, 07:06:38 AMCharity begins at home, but is it charity when it is accompanied by resentment and complaining?
I don't believe anyone here would ever resent and complain about charity. They will however resent and complain about an abusive city/government, I know I will.
Quote from: mtcookson on August 24, 2011, 12:43:28 PM
Doing a very quick search online I was able to find this: http://www.taylornews.org/mcc/2011/04/01/drive-by-shooting-in-elk-city-nets-3-arrests/
Elk City and somewhere in Elk County.
Then so much for that statement we don't have to worry about drive by shootings. THen you got the meth labs.....
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2011, 01:20:47 PM
Why is permission to live that way considered "freedom?
Permission to live that way??? I dont' need permission to do anything. They can kiss my ass if they think i need permission to do as i please on my own property as long as what i do on my proprty does not infringe on other peoples property rights. And the last time i checked, valuation of said property is not a right. It is a byproduct of freedom. So if i want to go out and build 1000 birdhouses and put them all over my property, i'll dare anyone to come and tell me i need permission! They'll get a load of rocksalt up their ass!
THe biggest problem here isn't the fact that someone has a trashcan out in front. It is that someone has the gall to send a demand letter to that individual threatening them. This threat does nothing but cause problems. IF the idiots in charge that write these letters had one gram of common sense they would ASK, not demand or threaten. I've found that 99% of the people respond a hell of a lot better to a request than a demand. I would dare say that most of us are independent and don't work well with authority and generally despise being told what to do.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on August 24, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
Diane,
Some of the fuss is about where trash cans are placed. Most people keep them behind the house or close to the back door or garage. On trash days, either Thursday or Friday, the cans are moved out to the curbside for pick-up.
Some people have chosen to keep their trash cans by the curbside all the time instead of toting them back and forth during the week. Letters have been sent to some of them asking them to move the cans back during the week, to keep the curb appeal more aesthetically pleasing.
When we moved here some 20+ years ago, we received a letter asking us not to keep our trash out for everyone to see all the time.
I personally think people have a right to put their trash cans wherever they please.
I also think we should all make an effort to keep our neighbors as aesthetically pleasing as possible. I'm aware that (for some) is difficult because of financial and physical constraints, but that's not usually the problem with trash cans.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 24, 2011, 03:47:45 PM
Going to call you out on this one Ross.
It is not the Appraiser (Assessor as it used to be) that jacks up your taxes. Sure, if you add an overhang, it will increase probably $10 in taxes.
What the new system is now is a Marshall Swift Appraisal Program. It shouldn't change a thing if all goes well.
If nothing has changed on your house, you have to understand that the cost index usually rises .02-3% for new construction costs and materials...then, coupled with the Mil levy....one might pay $100 year more in taxes when the appraiser hasn't changed a thing.
Now, about the fact that you went for 5 years without paying for that overhangd.....I would count my blessings my friend.
ready
Wanna bet they hit him up for back taxes?
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 24, 2011, 03:53:01 PM
I think that if someone has a disability, cannot mow then they should be able to sign up on a list for the football players from high school to mow for free, as a community service/physical training/ and use the old 'push'mower to boot!
It is almost as if the city is penalizing someone for a disability, not a negligence (then, they would attach to the Real Estate Tax bill)
ready
whoa wait a minute! your not suggesting forcing football players to do this for free in some "community" payback program i hope. They have tried this with obama and dems making it a requirement to do community service in order to graduate before. Thats pure socialist behavior you know.
Quote from: mtcookson on August 24, 2011, 03:55:33 PM
Push as in a gas push mower or push as in a reel mower? ;D
http://www.menards.com/main/lawn-garden/outdoor-power-equipment/lawn-mowers/16-reel-mower/p-1494279-c-10112.htm
(http://www.menards.com/main/store/20090519001/items/media/Hardware/HONGK001/ProductMedium/26018_184886_front.jpg)
We can upgrade to a 20" too!
I used to have one of those and a gas mower. I used at that time the reel mower cause the yard was so small it took me 10 min to mow. But that was also when i wasn't a gimp
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on August 24, 2011, 06:12:55 PM
My neighbor up the road hasnt mowed her place for FOUR years....we gave her one rider and two push mowers she tore em all up, tried to mow it for her us and another neighbor but theres so much crap in the yard it tears stuff up cause you cant see it. Now I just keep a fire zone mowed between me and her and trim the brush back from the road so it dont scratch my truck.
Ohhh i love weeds growing! I planted goldenrod last year all over. Got a whole pasture full of weeds and hope i get more! First of all most of them are very pretty in that there is a virtual cornucopia of colors out there, secondly they make the best honey!
Quote from: Wilma on August 24, 2011, 06:38:38 PM
What is the rest of the story? A city doesn't just issue a judgment and a huge fine without first giving some warnings. I can sympathize with a person who is unable to take care of their yard. But there are handymen around that can be hired to do those things. It was mentioned that this person is headed for a wheel chair in the near future. I am in a wheel chair, but I still get out and do what I can to take care of my yard. What I can't do and what doesn't get done for me, I hire done.
And i don't believe you have MS do you!? MS is one of the most awful diseases out there. You cannot do anything when your stricken with it. I don't know why your in a wheelchair and i don't need to know, but when i was crushed in 92 i couldn't do anything either for 2 years. IT took a hell of a lot of will power that i don't have anymore to get out of it. That was 20 years ago when i was a hell of a lot healthier than i am now. I can't imagine trying to do it again now.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 24, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
There may have been a warning, Janet/Wilma. That is the normal protocal.
They usually give it 3 times?
However.....the town is what? 250 voters in the city limits? Rules are rules....yet give me a break.
That is like the local cops in a town of 150 putting on lights and sirens after an 83 year old lady for expired tags...and she was just going 2 blocks to get milk!
Isn't there a case by case scenarion or is it....across the board...
In that case, God help you all.
Pitiful isn't it!
Quote from: Wilma on August 24, 2011, 09:36:15 PM
Yes, Ross, we are fortunate that our problems are not MS. However, at this phase of this horrible disease, the person should be on disability and I know that can be sufficient for the needs of a small town citizen. Anyone who has paid into the system is eligible for disability payments and even people who have not paid in can be eligible and do draw from it.
THats not true wilma, MS strikes the young mostly. AND to get disability you have to have paid in 40 quarters to recieve it and most folks at 35 haven't paid in that many quarters. Secondly your amount is based on the last 5 years you work, and that could have been for low wages and that would make your check too small to live on. So no thats not the case with MS. Most of the folks i know that have been stricken with ms got hit at age 29 and 30. Too young to claim disability.
Quote from: David on August 24, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
Wilma, I am trying hard to keep my mouth shut! Her GOOBERMENT check is little more than enough to cover the monthly price of the mansion she lives in, she can't even use the chair in most of he house because it is not accessible. I cut wood for her to burn in the winter, I bring food every chance I get so she will not starve and yes I cut her grass! She is myserable and alone and none of you self righteous people have an answer for the way people hurt! It is real easy to sit back and say you have had it rough when all you have had to deal with was a full belly and a choice of deserts!!! What about the real hungry and those without? Are you ready to forsake your own brother? Sooner or later God will cut you Down!
THis lady doesn't have food? Thats not acceptable. I have some here i will give out my pantry but i do not have a vehicle i can drive to deliver it if someone would like to come get it for her. I'll share what i have.
Quote from: cheyronni on August 25, 2011, 06:41:58 AM
i guess my point is that disability is not as glamorous as some think it is. Now for my personal opinion after looking at the names that recieve farmers welfare checks they are living the glamorous life. i mean where else could you work that you get paid to set in the local cafe and drink coffee most of the day and get paid thousands for running a business that is a failure year after year? now that is the type of welfare check i want to get!!!!!
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD YOU HAVE SPOKEN THE GOSPEL TRUTH!
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 25, 2011, 07:29:27 AM
Cheaper? How so?
Government ought to be guarding our individual liberty instead of taking our money to give to others.
Democracy, you say? Rounding up the votes to take other peoples money and property does not make it right either.
Making them give, the anti-American way.
Its not cheaper really just more convenient you know.
QuotePosted by: srkruzich
QuotePitiful isn't it!
Yes it is. It is called common sense, which sometimes is lacking with those with absolute power to only folllow the written law.
As to the football team, Steve. Yes...it would be an off duty workout pre-football season just like bailing hay in the summer.
No strings...and no give and take. It would be:
here are some yards that need mowed. Work it out guys and see how your football team handling teamwork.
If they don't, then they need to work out in the gym on their own.
It's called: in my day, it was just being a good neighbor or a citizen...but noooooooooooo we have to label everything in order to get funding.
pfffttttt I say.
ready
Quote from: mtcookson on August 25, 2011, 07:33:46 AM
I don't believe anyone here would ever resent and complain about charity. They will however resent and complain about an abusive city/government, I know I will.
Charity is not charity if it is stolen from people in the first place. Whoever called foodstamps or medicaid charity has no clue as to the true meaning of it. Destroys the entire concept of taking care of others. For all the christian folks that are ok with government theft in the name of the lords charity, God loveth a cheerful giver, and i haven't ever seen a cheerful person on tax day when they are writing out those thousands of dollars to the gooberment.
Ready its not that i don't think its a good idea. But the fact is these kids time is worth something and no one has a right to take that time from them by force. IT would be tantamount to stealing their life since they cannot get those minutes back. Now kids that are raised right are raised to help others by VOLENTEERING of their own free will. I instilled the act of volenteering in mine. IN FACT my boys paid money they earned in the summertime to volenteer to go to cities all over the region to volenteer to fix roofs, cut lawns, clean homes, ect for mostly disabled people mostly elderly. This was run by the GA baptist association and was a fine event. THe boys loved doing it because of this. They got to go out of town away from the house rules for one, they got to go with friends, and they got to see new cities. It was a awesome way to teach. EVEN THOUGH one of mine darn near got arrested once for diving off a dock in charleston. he was damn lucky he was a excellent swimmer cause he had to swim about a 1/2 mile to get out of the water! :| Wasn't happy with him on that one! But he made it and came home safe. Now he's jumping into firefights in lybia and afghanistan.
Anyway if they football team is doing it as a part of their pt then thats a kool idea. :)
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 25, 2011, 07:00:53 PM
Yes it is. It is called common sense, which sometimes is lacking with those with absolute power to only folllow the written law.
As to the football team, Steve. Yes...it would be an off duty workout pre-football season just like bailing hay in the summer.
No strings...and no give and take. It would be:
here are some yards that need mowed. Work it out guys and see how your football team handling teamwork.
If they don't, then they need to work out in the gym on their own.
It's called: in my day, it was just being a good neighbor or a citizen...but noooooooooooo we have to label everything in order to get funding.
pfffttttt I say.
ready
I think we are in agreeance Steve as to VOLUNTEERING to better onself..just got cornfused in the backwards discussion.
Sorry if I didn't make myself clearer.
ready
Quote from: srkruzich on August 25, 2011, 06:54:47 PM
THis lady doesn't have food? Thats not acceptable. I have some here i will give out my pantry but i do not have a vehicle i can drive to deliver it if someone would like to come get it for her. I'll share what i have.
Steve, you are the kind of Angel this world and this community needs, May God Bless You and Yours! She is very proud and even though she hurts and does without she knows we are all hurting these days! Keep your food stored for now for the day may come when we all will have to sit together and share a can of beans! What I have is hers and yours and every neighbor, friend or supposed enemy! If you ever need me just holler! David estlin1@hotmail.com
The Prayer of St. Francis
Lord,
Make me a channel of your peace and wisdom
Where there is hatred, I can bring love
Where there is wrong, I can bring the spirit of forgiveness
Where there is discord, I can bring harmony
Where there is error, I can bring truth
Where there is doubt, I can bring faith
Where there is despair, I can bring hope
Where there are shadows, I can bring light
Where there is sadness, I can bring joy
Lord, grant that I may seek to comfort, rather than to be comforted
To understand rather than to be understood
To love rather than to be loved
For it is by giving oneself, that one finds
It is by forgiving, that one is forgiven
It is by dying that one awakens to eternal life
Amen
For all living in the light!
Quote from: srkruzich on August 25, 2011, 07:03:20 PM
Charity is not charity if it is stolen from people in the first place. Whoever called foodstamps or medicaid charity has no clue as to the true meaning of it. Destroys the entire concept of taking care of others. For all the christian folks that are ok with government theft in the name of the lords charity, God loveth a cheerful giver, and i haven't ever seen a cheerful person on tax day when they are writing out those thousands of dollars to the gooberment.
Amen to that. Heck, I'm not sure I would even consider someone purposely overpaying their taxes as charity... who knows what the government would do to not help people with that money. :laugh:
Well, I'm finally getting caught up on this rather nasty, but entertaining thread. I had not planned to say more but I will one last time.
You folks find the darnedest things to fuss over.
As for your town ordinances, they and perhaps what few county ordinances there are, should be readily available at your city hall. Ya wanna know what they are? GO LOOK. People who are considering buying a property in town should always look at the ordinances before they buy, or be sure the realtor gets the information for them.
Don't build next to an airport and then demand they not allow those noisy planes!
Some of you keep putting yourselves first. Why, did someone make you special? It is different when one lives in town. Steve, you don't, so your "permission" comment wouldn't hold water anyway. If the town ordinances don't suit you, don't go there. When you buy in town,at settlement you are agreeing to accept the ordinances, deed restrictions, etc. taxes and fees as they are then. Ignorance is no excuse!
As for the trash business,I don't see much difference between a bag on the street or a bag next to the street on the parking. As far as leaving them there, I know your curbing is not like ours, but we keep ours up on a bricked area we built next to the garage when it city changed it's pick up system .
We were all asked an entire year before (it came in our electric bill) to consider going from a hodge podge of cans and bags to the big roll around trash cans. We had a chance to write and to comment at City Council Meetings. Finally they decided, because the comments had been overwhelmingly favorable, to try it for 6 months in selected areas .Ours happened to be one chosen because we are hilly. I was against it at first because when we put out bags out in the morning, when it was gone it wasn't a telltale as to whether the house was occupied or not.
I worried that the big carts might wash or blow down the street in a storm. No problems. Now we love them! We put the cans on the street surface in front of the gutter, the one man truck comes and hooks it with the crab claw arm, dumps it in the side and sets it down, nice as you please. He doesn't even have to get out. They clear the neighborhood much faster than they used to. If anyone is going to be away, we put each others cans back for them. There are some few older folks for whom the cans are just too big and heavy and the city made special arrangements for them to be still allowed to use the lighter bags.
We do need to get them off the street by evening, but it's not enforced and usually we take them up to the house or garage for each other if needed. We don't want them in the way of the leaf sucker in the fall, the street sweeper or the snow plows and they do take up parking places.
We had plenty of time to make up our minds. It was three years before the final decision was made. Nothing was shoved down anyone's throats. I have no doubt that somewhere someone who refused to take part and voice their opinion is now squawking because that's how some folks are.Too bad.
If we can all get along so well here with way more people and personalities and races and cultures, I just can't image why you all can't.There are so few of you. That's just my view. Now back to last minute storm prep. It looks so innocent out there now.
Aint it nice that some people live in such a perfect little world ??
Jarhead, yes it is!
AMEN to that Jarhead.
Do you need to comment on every web, uh thread? ;D ;D ;D ;D I know you don't live in Howard either.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2011, 06:50:52 PM
Do you need to comment on every web, uh thread? ;D ;D ;D ;D I know you don't live in Howard either.
And you really don't see the difference, do you? It's that Johari Window thing again... not to worry... some see it clearly.
Poke, poke, giggle, giggle, ;D :) ;) :angel:
Quote from greatguns:
Jarhead, yes it is!
I'm really surprised you say your little piece of the world is so perfect. If so why are you always bitch'n about your neighbors Johnson grass---or un tagged vehicle---or a cow on your porch ? ;)
Patriot, lighten up. My world is going to possibly change forever tomorrow and I really need a little humor right now. Even if my world was perfect ,which of course it isn't, there will be storm damage and changed schedules and things that will not be fun.They are predicting we will be out of power for some time, so I have to get my poking in now, Mr. So-Wonderful -that- Everybody- Says- How Nice- He- Is. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Keep your head down Diane and hope it dont get as bad as they are predictin!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2011, 07:41:24 PM
Patriot, lighten up. My world is going to possibly change forever tomorrow and I really need a little humor right now. Even if my world was perfect ,which of course it isn't, there will be storm damage and changed schedules and things that will not be fun.They are predicting we will be out of power for some time, so I have to get my poking in now, Mr. So-Wonderful -that- Everybody- Says- How Nice- He- Is. ;D ;D ;D ;D
But, but but... I said, "Poke, poke, giggle, giggle, ;D :) ;) :angel: "
I'm sure all will be well with he weather though. We'll continue prayin for the best.
Just wanted to be sure you meant the humor...sometimes you appear to be just being mean.
I don't know if it will be "he" weather or ''she'' weather, but with the name Irene, I'm guessing "she." (read your post) Thanks for the concern.
The east coast of Delaware, 12 miles east of here, will be evacuated tomorrow morning. They are expecting about a 6-8 foot storm surge even on the Delaware River. Here we are expecting tons of rain but a little less wind....maybe.
Good luck Diane, keep your head down and be well! Praying for all on the east coast!
Jarhead, surely you didn't think he lived on my little piece of the world. :o :o :o And thankfully, the milk cow was just passing through the neighborhood. :P
You mean bitchin' ISN'T a requirement! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thank you David.
We all love patriot.
We do.
Yes we do love Patriot!!! I love all my good neighbors and friends! God Bless you all!
Diane...Be safe. Hope all you get is a good drenching and the harsher stuff stays offshore.
good luck diane---hope you stay on the air, I enjoy your posts-I don't always agree, but that's the fun of this!!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2011, 06:50:52 PM
Do you need to comment on every web, uh thread? ;D ;D ;D ;D I know you don't live in Howard either.
But I only live 2 1/2 hours away and keep posted on things going on that are not on the forum. I think if you check your post to mine you will see who post the most.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2011, 06:50:52 PM
Do you need to comment on every web, uh thread? ;D ;D ;D ;D I know you don't live in Howard either.
Quote from: Jane on August 27, 2011, 08:31:08 AM
But I only live 2 1/2 hours away and keep posted on things going on that are not on the forum. I think if you check your post to mine you will see who post the most.
Hells bells. Inquiring minds wanna know....
Name: Diane Amberg
Date Registered: July 01, 2007, 01:52:07 pm
Posts: 8580 (5.656 per day)
Name: Jane
Date Registered: September 18, 2006, 09:06:33 am
Posts: 385 (0.213 per day)
Well kook at that, will ya... seems the Dialogue Diane talks 256.3 times more often than Sane Jane. Hang in there Jane. You'll catch up........ someday. ;D
I skiped through most of this but back to the ladys lawn if is who I think it is she has half dozen teenage kid sating on the couch doing get off there butts dont have mower brorrow one from 1 of these kids dads
Patriot, Jane needs to learn to take a little fun poking and not be so serous. Look at the horrible way some of you treat me, but I bounce right back. Why, I've even learned how to be sarcastic and mean thanks to you few in the saber club. As I finally said ,ya slam me, expect to be slammed back .I'm a gentle peacemaker type, who is a doer and nurturer, as well as a social gabber. But I do have a line, ya cross it... well, be forewarned. If you don't like me, don't read my posts...GO AWAY.
Sorry O. F., I stepped on you. If that lady does have available help then perhaps the city should go out and suggest to the teenagers, in the strongest possible terms, that they do something...or else! Like Social Services take them away! Would that threat get 'em off the couch?
Nah, Diane....while the threat may be serious, don't you know kids nowadays can't be threatened, or else they go to Social Services and complain about how mistreated they are: they make me clean my room!; they make me do dishes!; my mom hit my behind when I told her to f-off!; BOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO Poor, poor me!
I personally would set those kids up so that they hit rock bottom, then see what they do, and then guide them, if they aren't past understanding the consequences, but that is just me.
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Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
Patriot, Jane needs to learn to take a little fun poking and not be so serous. Look at the horrible way some of you treat me, but I bounce right back.
Jane likely doesn't need your psychotherapy any more than anyone else does.
As for bouncing back... the same situation exists in human and animal medicine... it's called, generally, bacterial resistance.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
Why, I've even learned how to be sarcastic and mean thanks to you few in the saber club. As I finally said ,ya slam me, expect to be slammed back .I'm a gentle peacemaker type, who is a doer and nurturer, as well as a social gabber. But I do have a line, ya cross it... well, be forewarned. If you don't like me, don't read my posts...GO AWAY.\
Peacemaker? As in a John Bradshaw wounded inner child? Nurturer? As in a Melody Beattie classic codependent?
A line? Passive/aggressive tendencies? There are grown men shaking in their boots all across the net. I'm sure. Let the beatings begin, Mistress Di. Oooooh! What a nice flogger you have. Wanna see my cat-o-nine?
I thought you had a storm surge to run from.
Oh... I almost forgot... poke, poke, grin, grin, :) ;) ;D
>:( >:( >:( >:( :'( Phooey.) Put on your iron underwear and deal with it. NUTZ. As far as the storm ,it's raining hard but not too much wind yet and still have electricity. Still waiting for it to worsen. ::)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
Put on your iron underwear and deal with it.
Underwear? Now you and Wilma have something else in common... an underwear fetish.
As for your electricity being on... we're hopin for the best from Irene. We're also hopin that government stops with its self serving growth pattern.
I hate to think what mean by the "best" from Irene . In your case does that mean you hope something bad happens to me? It wouldn't be the first time "someone" hoped I'd be injured. I can't ever trust you, now can I?
I speak openly and you skewer me word by word and line by line ,which is a very rude format, even if I'm just making social conversation. Very heavy rain now but still not much wind. I'll say no more if I'm not slammed again by anyone.
Quote from: jarhead on August 26, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from greatguns:
Jarhead, yes it is!
I'm really surprised you say your little piece of the world is so perfect. If so why are you always bitch'n about your neighbors Johnson grass---or un tagged vehicle---or a cow on your porch ? ;)
ROTFLMAO.....Hey now i'm killing the johnson grass. Got it under control this year i think, i hope.... If ya don't drive the vehicle theres no reason to tag it now is there! :) I don't insure a vehicle i don't drive so i can't get a tag for it until i insure it and the last time i checked, I can't possibly drive more than one vehicle at a time! :)
As for the cow... nothing new around here, i had a entire herd in my yard not too long ago. Black angus i think they were. boy did they look tasty too.......
darn it all they didn't wander into my pasture either. What is it about these darn cows. Besides paulines happy now she's got her a feller in her pasture.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
Patriot, Jane needs to learn to take a little fun poking and not be so serous. Look at the horrible way some of you treat me, but I bounce right back. Why, I've even learned how to be sarcastic and mean thanks to you few in the saber club. As I finally said ,ya slam me, expect to be slammed back .I'm a gentle peacemaker type, who is a doer and nurturer, as well as a social gabber. But I do have a line, ya cross it... well, be forewarned. If you don't like me, don't read my posts...GO AWAY.
Sorry O. F., I stepped on you. If that lady does have available help then perhaps the city should go out and suggest to the teenagers, in the strongest possible terms, that they do something...or else! Like Social Services take them away! Would that threat get 'em off the couch?
DAMN diane, you just crucified Patriot for being mean, but threatening kids with social services is downright EVIL! I wouldn't wish those bastards on my worse enemy!
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 27, 2011, 12:18:59 PM
Nah, Diane....while the threat may be serious, don't you know kids nowadays can't be threatened, or else they go to Social Services and complain about how mistreated they are: they make me clean my room!; they make me do dishes!; my mom hit my behind when I told her to f-off!; BOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO Poor, poor me!
I personally would set those kids up so that they hit rock bottom, then see what they do, and then guide them, if they aren't past understanding the consequences, but that is just me.
ready
No what they need is a foot up their ass! That will motivate them to do something.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
>:( >:( >:( >:( :'( Phooey.) Put on your iron underwear and deal with it. NUTZ. As far as the storm ,it's raining hard but not too much wind yet and still have electricity. Still waiting for it to worsen. ::)
I wish we had that hurricane here! It ain't nothin but a thang! But it sure would rescue a lot of pasturland
I personally believe the only thing true about the whole story is the fact that the lady has MS.
And I say this because of what I was told by a lady who claims to know more than I do.
And I consider her a reliable source. I however am not at liberty to digress further.
If what I have heard is really true the shame is on David in my humble opinion.
I don't appreciate being jerked around like this and I'm sure you don't either.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 02:03:44 PM
I hate to think what mean by the "best" from Irene . In your case does that mean you hope something bad happens to me? It wouldn't be the first time "someone" hoped I'd be injured. I can't ever trust you, now can I?
Didn't say anything about bad coming to you.... I just hope Irene takes out all your ISP's equipment. ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 02:03:44 PM
I speak openly and you skewer me word by word and line by line ,which is a very rude format, even if I'm just making social conversation. Very heavy rain now but still not much wind. I'll say no more if I'm not slammed again by anyone.
Rude format? I bet you're a freedom of speech advocate too, aren't ya? Quit whining. You sound like a kid at the candy counter when mom says, "No!"
Hey now ,you keep coming back at me ,line by line, word by word and pick whatever I post all apart to see what you can whine about and argue about. Besides my whiner is outside now getting wet and will probably rust. ISP? HA!
Steve, I wish I could reroute some of this water out your way. We went from the hottest July on record with almost no rain either to the wettest August on record and the month isn't even over.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 03:32:51 PM
Hey now ,you keep coming back at me ,line by line, word by word and pick whatever I post all apart to see what you can whine about and argue about. Besides my whiner is outside now getting wet and will probably rust. ISP? HA!
Steve, I wish I could reroute some of this water out your way. We went from the hottest July on record with almost no rain either to the wettest August on record and the month isn't even over.
I am sure we would take all you can send!
srkruzich--your post on our darling little srs children of the corn is some of your best work, sir.
Quote from: Ross on August 27, 2011, 02:42:11 PM
I personally believe the only thing true about the whole story is the fact that the lady has MS.
And I say this because of what I was told by a lady who claims to know more than I do.
And I consider her a reliable source. I however am not at liberty to digress further.
If what I have heard is really true the shame is on David in my humble opinion.
I don't appreciate being jerked around like this and I'm sure you don't either.
Sorry you feel that way Ross! When I started this thread it was only to bring local standard operating procedures and their sometimes unfairness to light! I gained nothing from this, I was offered help by you and many wonderful caring neighbors, whom I shall pray are blessed! She needed no help because I have got her back and I did not want her to be embarrassed, it is hard enough when you are sick to bow before anyone... I certainly have never needed anyone to cover miy back and have never asked!
As to your reliable source, she is obviously a gossip, liar and has a very empty life! If not she would have had the courage to confront me on these issues that she so so, all knowing in, or at least offer help the way you and many did.
I have to thank you for the offer of help, but I will not tolerate your accusations based on gossip and rumor!
Since there seems to be a clash between the ordinances in Howard that pertain to blight, maybe there can be some kind of solution. I certainly understand how these ordinances come about, as you can drive through so many communities that look more like a trash heaps than a group of homes. Those with citizens concerned with the appearance of their community as a whole have supported and in many instances succeeded in getting a group of local ordinances passed that improved life as they saw it. Most of these ordinances do not however, allow for cases such as the lady mentioned in this thread. There should really be some kind of process that involves a third party to help resolve these cases. Perhaps a member of the local clergy or the elders of one of the local churches might be named as an unpaid volunteeer to act as ombudsman who works to resolve the issue to the satisfaction of all. As a member of the community this person should know what kind of services might be available for assistance if needed. Notice I said "If needed". All of us know people who just do not care what their property looks like no matter what. And for them the ordinances are in place. ???
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 27, 2011, 08:32:35 PM
Since there seems to be a clash between the ordinances in Howard that pertain to blight, maybe there can be some kind of solution. I certainly understand how these ordinances come about, as you can drive through so many communities that look more like a trash heaps than a group of homes. Those with citizens concerned with the appearance of their community as a whole have supported and in many instances succeeded in getting a group of local ordinances passed that improved life as they saw it. Most of these ordinances do not however, allow for cases such as the lady mentioned in this thread. There should really be some kind of process that involves a third party to help resolve these cases. Perhaps a member of the local clergy or the elders of one of the local churches might be named as an unpaid volunteeer to act as ombudsman who works to resolve the issue to the satisfaction of all. As a member of the community this person should know what kind of services might be available for assistance if needed. Notice I said "If needed". All of us know people who just do not care what their property looks like no matter what. And for them the ordinances are in place. ???
Ma'am you are windy! You certainly take the long way around the barn! Things are simple if you look at them that way!
No, these things can never be simple! Windy???? I think that this is the very first post that I have made on this thread. :-\
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 27, 2011, 10:58:38 PM
No, these things can never be simple! Windy???? I think that this is the very first post that I have made on this thread. :-\
Yes, but it was sure a long one!
And every word of it made sense.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 27, 2011, 08:32:35 PM
Since there seems to be a clash between the ordinances in Howard that pertain to blight, maybe there can be some kind of solution. I certainly understand how these ordinances come about, as you can drive through so many communities that look more like a trash heaps than a group of homes. Those with citizens concerned with the appearance of their community as a whole have supported and in many instances succeeded in getting a group of local ordinances passed that improved life as they saw it. Most of these ordinances do not however, allow for cases such as the lady mentioned in this thread. There should really be some kind of process that involves a third party to help resolve these cases. Perhaps a member of the local clergy or the elders of one of the local churches might be named as an unpaid volunteeer to act as ombudsman who works to resolve the issue to the satisfaction of all. As a member of the community this person should know what kind of services might be available for assistance if needed. Notice I said "If needed". All of us know people who just do not care what their property looks like no matter what. And for them the ordinances are in place. ???
Honestly the simplest solution and the only correct solution is to abolish the ordinances. They are in direct conflict with constitutional property rights!
Good point.
Quote from: Ross on August 27, 2011, 02:42:11 PM
I personally believe the only thing true about the whole story is the fact that the lady has MS.
And I say this because of what I was told by a lady who claims to know more than I do.
And I consider her a reliable source. I however am not at liberty to digress further.
If what I have heard is really true the shame is on David in my humble opinion.
I don't appreciate being jerked around like this and I'm sure you don't either.
Oh dear, Oh dear. ;)
Ross, I agree with you! :D
I received additional information - oh me, oh my. You'll not hear this very often, but . . .
Ross, you are right!
Quote from: Mom70x7 on August 28, 2011, 09:38:09 AM
Oh dear, Oh dear. ;)
Ross, I agree with you! :D
I received additional information - oh me, oh my. You'll not hear this very often, but . . .
Ross, you are right!
Thank you for confirming.
I felt my source to be a very honest lady or I would not have said a word.
I don't like being played as I am sure you don't either.
It is nice to know that what I suspected at the beginning of this thread is true. It just didn't seem plausible to me. Cities or in this case, towns do seem to me dictatorial sometimes, but there is always a good reason behind it.
I felt sure that there was more to that story when it was posted. I have 2 family members and some friends on the City Council and I was quite sure that they would not have let that happen. Disappointing how many of you couldn't wait to put Howard down about it. The Forum has really taken a turn for the worse with a lot of negative people .
Quote from: Wilma on August 28, 2011, 03:14:27 PM
It is nice to know that what I suspected at the beginning of this thread is true. It just didn't seem plausible to me. Cities or in this case, towns do seem to me dictatorial sometimes, but there is always a good reason behind it.
If hind sight were fore sight I would not have offered to mow the lawn now would I.
I did not suspect anything amiss until I spoke to someone in the know.
But yes things like this have happened in the past in other communities and I am sure it will continue to happen.
No community in imune from human error.
A few weeks back, there was a city code enforcement officer at the county courthouse. He was wearing a city shirt.
Seems like he was trying to determine the name of a property owner. I thought it was strange that Howard would even consider such a position and even spend the funds for such. Howard doesn't have hardly a population of 1,000 does it?
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 28, 2011, 03:56:30 PM
A few weeks back, there was a city code enforcement officer at the county courthouse. He was wearing a city shirt.
Seems like he was trying to determine the name of a property owner. I thought it was strange that Howard would even consider such a position and even spend the funds for such. Howard doesn't have hardly a population of 1,000 does it?
Somewhere around 800 i think. It's too bad they want to act like big city folks instead of like down home neighbors.
Quote from: frawin on August 28, 2011, 03:46:36 PM
I felt sure that there was more to that story when it was posted. I have 2 family members and some friends on the City Council and I was quite sure that they would not have let that happen. Disappointing how many of you couldn't wait to put Howard down about it. The Forum has really taken a turn for the worse with a lot of negative people .
More B. S. From the Elk Konnected crowd.
What would this man's job be? Why would you need him if what you say is true?
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 28, 2011, 03:56:30 PM
A few weeks back, there was a city code enforcement officer at the county courthouse. He was wearing a city shirt.
Seems like he was trying to determine the name of a property owner. I thought it was strange that Howard would even consider such a position and even spend the funds for such. Howard doesn't have hardly a population of 1,000 does it?
What happened to all the Elk Konnected vo;unteerism to clean up the community? Is that the answer, hire a code enforcement officer to enforce ordances on properties that have a trash can out and most likely write a ticket inorder to collect a fine.
QuoteIf hind sight were fore sight I would not have offered to mow the lawn now would I.
What you just quoted...in my own twisted mind, is that if "i knew what I know now...I wouldn't have mowed the lawn"
Called me a twisted sister!
Welcome to Elk County...
I don't think on this forum, we will ever know if this was an actual case of 'can't' or it was a case of won't.
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Quotecity code enforcement officer at the county courthouse
that person would be the person to cite the tall grass, the junk cars, etc.....then apply that bill to your property tax if you don't comply.
We have one in our county, I am sure you have one in yours.
I am just surprised that Elk County has a shirt to state their position. (ours are usually a policeman)
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Quote from: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 04:30:10 PM
What you just quoted...in my own twisted mind, is that if "i knew what I know now...I wouldn't have mowed the lawn"
Called me a twisted sister!
Welcome to Elk County...
I don't think on this forum, we will ever know if this was an actual case of 'can't' or it was a case of won't.
ready
If you are talking to me?
I said I would not have offered to mow.
The mowing had actually been done already.
So is this an invalid who lives alone or not? Not looking for names,wouldn't know her anyway.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2011, 05:22:10 PM
So is this an invalid who lives alone or not? Not looking for names,wouldn't know her anyway.
There is information most people would not share on an open forum. Nothing serious just private.
Some things are sacred.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 28, 2011, 04:34:15 PM
that person would be the person to cite the tall grass, the junk cars, etc.....then apply that bill to your property tax if you don't comply.
We have one in our county, I am sure you have one in yours.
I am just surprised that Elk County has a shirt to state their position. (ours are usually a policeman)
ready
To my knowledge, ready, Elk County does not have a code enforcement officer. The city of Howard does. I do not know who this person is. I think the city of Howard did this to have someone work on unslightly properties. However; I am not sure if the letter from the city to the disabled lady was from the code enforcement officer. I kind of thought it was from the city.
I can remember a time when the city of Longton had someone try to enforce a grass ordinance about how tall your grass could get before they would force you to mow it. This person who did this actually took a ruler and measured how tall the grass was in your yard and if it was too tall, you got a letter.
Anyway, I kind of wish we knew who the letter was from...the city or the code enforcement officer. Since my husband is a mowing fool, I don't have to deal with those kinds of problems.
if i caught someone in my yard with a ruler, i would toss him on his head. First of all, he has NO RIGHT to enter your property without a warrant! And measuring your grass constitutes illegal entry to your property. Not to mention the 4th amendment violation of search and siezure without a warrant.
Steve, you have no idea what an uproar this caused in Longton. i wish I could remember how many years it ago it was, but I can't. I just remember it happening. LOL
Janet- I remember a few years back when Mom had eye operations and was down, Jim came over and mowed her yard twice, no charge no grumbling. But, no compliance officer was involved. And, no yardsticks were harmed in this random act of kindness!!!
It wasn't too many years ago the person appointed by the city ( Longton ) to drive around and look at yards but he took it one step further and started measuring the weeds. He just took his job too serious and did piss people off, but I don't think he meant no harm. I heard one little old grizzled WW II vet tell the "weed man " that if he caught him in his yard he would take his head off with a baseball bat. Don't think his grass ever got measured. :)
Longton still sends out letters if a yard gets too over-grown and if not cut the city does it then "tries" to collect a fee. The city is pretty lenient but if neighbors get to bitching too much---------------
Quote from: jarhead on August 28, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
It wasn't too many years ago the person appointed by the city ( Longton ) to drive around and look at yards but he took it one step further and started measuring the weeds. He just took his job too serious and did piss people off, but I don't think he meant no harm. I heard one little old grizzled WW II vet tell the "weed man " that if he caught him in his yard he would take his head off with a baseball bat. Don't think his grass ever got measured. :)
Longton still sends out letters if a yard gets too over-grown and if not cut the city does it then "tries" to collect a fee. The city is pretty lenient but if neighbors get to bitching too much---------------
I let some of my weeds grow in my yard like goldenrod or asters. Thats food for my bees. IF it flowers i let it grow usually. The johnson grass though got a foothold and its been rough trying to get rid of it. I'm gettin there though.
Quote from: jarhead on August 28, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
It wasn't too many years ago the person appointed by the city ( Longton ) to drive around and look at yards but he took it one step further and started measuring the weeds. He just took his job too serious and did piss people off, but I don't think he meant no harm. I heard one little old grizzled WW II vet tell the "weed man " that if he caught him in his yard he would take his head off with a baseball bat. Don't think his grass ever got measured. :)
Longton still sends out letters if a yard gets too over-grown and if not cut the city does it then "tries" to collect a fee. The city is pretty lenient but if neighbors get to bitching too much---------------
It's good to know that I'm not losing my mind. LOL
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Quote from: readyaimduck on Yesterday at 05:34:15 pm
that person would be the person to cite the tall grass, the junk cars, etc.....then apply that bill to your property tax if you don't comply.
We have one in our county, I am sure you have one in yours.
I am just surprised that Elk County has a shirt to state their position. (ours are usually a policeman)
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To my knowledge, ready, Elk County does
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If they work for the county, they should have a badge that allows them on the property with the statuate stating so...as in the appraiser...and if you gruff, they should turn away and go back to the office.
If they don't have that statuate on their badge, then ask them to leave.
Please don't shoot them Steve, it really sends a different tactical message. lol
Now if they work for the CITY ...then we need to find the proper City/State ordinances for that.
There has got be a statute, if not a policy for that. (Giving anyone the right to measure height of grass on personal property.
Janet?
Didn't Dennis Rader measure the grass in Park City?
QuoteDidn't Dennis Rader measure the grass in Park City?
What has that to do with this area, other then pointing at suspcsion at someone else?
wow
ok I tried to edit, and correct my spelling by longhand...takes to long.
It is what is is!
ready to spell And I can, just not on the fly. sorry for the spelling policepeople
ready to correct.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 29, 2011, 08:22:08 PM
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If they work for the county, they should have a badge that allows them on the property with the statuate stating so...as in the appraiser...and if you gruff, they should turn away and go back to the office.
If they don't have that statuate on their badge, then ask them to leave.
Please don't shoot them Steve, it really sends a different tactical message. lol
Actually the appraiser doesn't have the authority to enter your property unannounced. He must make an appointment at your convenience if he wishes to enter it. OR have a warrant stating his purpose for being there and what he intends to do.
Don't like revenuers no siree never have.
While the original poster had his reasons for posting this thread; to point out the actions of the City of Howard. I posted my responses to point out that the important thing was that a lady with MS needed her grass cut and I felt it should have been done long before the city was moved to threaten to fine her. Later there were hints that she had people living in the house that should have been able to cut the grass. While people gave David a hard time for not telling the whole story, none of the other posters that supposedly knew the whole story were able to post new facts. What I can tell is that this person could probably use some help mowing the lawn and if what has been posted here is true ridding herself of some people taking advantage of her. My original respone was she need her lawn mowed we could get it done without much trouble. Now that it is done we can argue the reasons.
Sodbuster
David A.
The city enforcement officer is a joke, What has he actually done since he bagan getting paid so many months ago. Houses still look like crap, empty and about to fall down on randolph, and that guy on adams has more rotting lawn mowers than ever, in between the weeds, forget about even trying to use the sidewalk by his house. If you fine one of these people, do you think they are going to pay it, just see if their name is in the paper for taxes.
Quote from: PrehistoricRez on September 01, 2011, 11:21:14 PM
The city enforcement officer is a joke, What has he actually done since he bagan getting paid so many months ago. Houses still look like crap, empty and about to fall down on randolph, and that guy on adams has more rotting lawn mowers than ever, in between the weeds, forget about even trying to use the sidewalk by his house. If you fine one of these people, do you think they are going to pay it, just see if their name is in the paper for taxes.
Is it violating anyones constitutional rights? No? Then its not causing anyone any problem then. Property rights trump the grass police!
So what you are tell me is if you live on a street and have a semi burnt down house on either side that the owners dont want to clean up because of "PROPERTY RIGHTS", you will not have anything to say about it. Or would you be at every city meeting demanding the city do something about those people cleaning up their properties.
Unless there its some sort of actual health risk I personally wouldn't, its their property so its none of my business.
Quote from Steve:
QuoteActually the appraiser doesn't have the authority to enter your property unannounced. He must make an appointment at your convenience if he wishes to enter it. OR have a warrant stating his purpose for being there and what he intends to do.
Sorry Steve. You may want to check out K.S.A 79-501
If you deny access, then that is within your right also. A courtesy call is made if the taxpayer wishes it.
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Quote from: PrehistoricRez on September 03, 2011, 12:12:48 AM
So what you are tell me is if you live on a street and have a semi burnt down house on either side that the owners dont want to clean up because of "PROPERTY RIGHTS", you will not have anything to say about it. Or would you be at every city meeting demanding the city do something about those people cleaning up their properties.
NO i'd be asking the owner if i could salvage that burned house for the lumber and whatever i could use. And i would pile up the "burned that was no good so that they could haul it off or i would just burn the burned pile for them. You know they call this neighborly help! INSTEAD OF Threats, intimidation, violation of constitutional rights, I would get something for my troubles, and they would get something too!
Quote from: mtcookson on September 03, 2011, 01:33:43 AM
Unless there its some sort of actual health risk I personally wouldn't, its their property so its none of my business.
AMEN!
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 03, 2011, 04:02:39 AM
Quote from Steve:
Sorry Steve. You may want to check out K.S.A 79-501
If you deny access, then that is within your right also. A courtesy call is made if the taxpayer wishes it.
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Uhmm what has KSA 79-501 got to do with access? It does not grant the appraiser carte blanc rights to access your property at his convenience. He still has to follow the constitution of which he has sworn to uphold. Courtesy call? My ass, he calls to make a appointment. I realize that they have to have access to value property but they do not have the right to show up unannounced and without the owner present or at a time when the owner cannot accomodate them.
Lets put it this way. IF they appraiser shows up and enters my property and my livestock gets a disease that kills them, I would sue his and the countys happy ass for breaching my bio-security on the farm. There are disease that are carried in from farm to farm on peoples clothes shoes and whatever. You can bet the county and the appraiser will foot the bill.
Now i have better methods of keeping revenuers off my place. I haven't seen one yet that will argue with a beehive!
The bad thing about the falling down houses is they harbor varmits. That to me is a safe hazard.
QuoteI realize that they have to have access to value property but they do not have the right to show up unannounced and without the owner present or at a time when the owner cannot accomodate them.
Yes they can. Go to the Appraiser's office and ask Mrs. Spencer why they can measure your house without you there.
I do understand your opinion, Steve. However, they are within the law of state intent to do their job.
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Quote from: srkruzich on September 03, 2011, 06:55:42 AM
NO i'd be asking the owner if i could salvage that burned house for the lumber and whatever i could use. And i would pile up the "burned that was no good so that they could haul it off or i would just burn the burned pile for them. You know they call this neighborly help! INSTEAD OF Threats, intimidation, violation of constitutional rights, I would get something for my troubles, and they would get something too!
If you, or anyone else is interested, I know of a falling down garage/barn that was available a couple of months ago. Tear it down for the lumber and clearing the property. It's across the street south from us. We were offered it last summer, but didn't need the wood AND didn't have the time to do it.
Quote from: Jane on September 03, 2011, 07:19:02 AM
The bad thing about the falling down houses is they harbor varmits. That to me is a safe hazard.
well that can happen, but quite frankly varmints also live in sheds behind homes and barns and other buildings.
I just shoot one when i see one.
And right there you would be in trouble within the city limits of Howard. You can't even shoot a BB gun or I would have one. And there is a reason that you can't be shooting BB's. Too many domestic animals hit, birds killed and broken windows.
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 03, 2011, 07:30:01 AM
Yes they can. Go to the Appraiser's office and ask Mrs. Spencer why they can measure your house without you there.
I do understand your opinion, Steve. However, they are within the law of state intent to do their job.
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Again there's a error in the law. IT violates the 4th and 9th amendments if i remember correctly.
The Ninth Amendment has generally been regarded by the courts as negating any expansion of governmental power on account of the enumeration of rights in the Constitution, but the Amendment has not been regarded as further limiting governmental power.
Basically they cannot expand government or use government to violate the 4th amendment of search and seizure. They can request that i allow them to measure with me present. One valid reason is that without me to witness the measurement, they could put any figure they wish on the document. You see there is no validation of their information they collect. I DO NOT TRUST ANY GOVERNMENT AGENT! They are all subject to suspicion!
Quote from: Mom70x7 on September 03, 2011, 07:33:02 AM
If you, or anyone else is interested, I know of a falling down garage/barn that was available a couple of months ago. Tear it down for the lumber and clearing the property. It's across the street south from us. We were offered it last summer, but didn't need the wood AND didn't have the time to do it.
Well let me know via pm where it is. I can't come get it at this moment, but when i get my 1 ton running in a week or two and i get my trailer that someones making me i'll be there with tools in hand to get as much as i can. I LOVE salvaging wood! :D
You have to understand i'm a craftsman. I use antique wood to make many things if i can get it. I don't have a lot o money so i can't buy the wood to fuel my obsession with creating things out of wood. So i take any wood that is useable out of salvage.
I have some of the old piedmont school in my shop that i am making some stuff out of it. ITs hard as a rock so it takes a while to get something made but its gorgeous wood that has sat 90 years under a hot tin roof and baked all those years.
IF my health holds out this fall, i'll be doing a lot more. Last fall was miserable as i was constantly in the hospital over pancreas attacks. Maybe this year will be a good year for me.
I have always received a statement from the Appraiser showing what they have found, including the measurements of buildings. If you disagree with what they have found, you can appeal it.
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And right there you would be in trouble within the city limits of Howard. You can't even shoot a BB gun or I would have one.
I sure don't know about Howards ordinances but most cities do have an ordinance that makes it unlawful to discharge a firearm in city limits-BUT---a BB or pellet gun are not considered a firearm-PLUS---you have the right to protect yourself-SO if a mean look'n armadillo bares his saber tooth tiger sized fangs and makes a menacing move towards me I WILL blow the feathers of his carcass WITH a firearm and it's OK
Quote from: Wilma on September 03, 2011, 07:53:27 AM
And right there you would be in trouble within the city limits of Howard. You can't even shoot a BB gun or I would have one. And there is a reason that you can't be shooting BB's. Too many domestic animals hit, birds killed and broken windows.
First of all, IF I shoot something it dies. First shot, no second needed. Secondly i don't shoot windows, or houses. Third Get real a bird? Like we don't have enough of them already. Just take a good gander at ones pasture or trees around the house. Tons of birds. It would be a good thing to thin them out bit. Fourth, domestic animals would not be hit in that i would be shooting varmint. See first reason... IF i shoot something IT dies not some domestic animal.
There is no law against bb guns. Secondly there can be no law that infringes upon the 2nd amendment. Part of bearing arms is shooting them.
NOW lets get into the particulars. IF ANYTHING LIKE THE ABOVE That you mentioned happens, then sue the individual. But a one law over all is not acceptable! Last of all whats the fine? 50 bucks the last i checked for the illegal law of "unlawfully discharging a firearm in the city limits".
I agree with Jarhead, blast away!
Quote from: srkruzich on September 03, 2011, 07:57:53 AM
Well let me know via pm where it is. I can't come get it at this moment, but when i get my 1 ton running in a week or two and i get my trailer that someones making me i'll be there with tools in hand to get as much as i can. I LOVE salvaging wood! :D
You have to understand i'm a craftsman. I use antique wood to make many things if i can get it. I don't have a lot o money so i can't buy the wood to fuel my obsession with creating things out of wood. So i take any wood that is useable out of salvage.
I have some of the old piedmont school in my shop that i am making some stuff out of it. ITs hard as a rock so it takes a while to get something made but its gorgeous wood that has sat 90 years under a hot tin roof and baked all those years.
IF my health holds out this fall, i'll be doing a lot more. Last fall was miserable as i was constantly in the hospital over pancreas attacks. Maybe this year will be a good year for me.
Those pancreas attacks are as painful as a heart attack or worse. Worse I think because they last for a long period of time. My wife has many small attacks but when that big one comes in it's hospital time.
I hope you do better this fall.
Wilma,
I meant to ask but forgot to---if Howard allowed you to shoot a BB gun you said you would have one. What would you plan on shooting with one ? Just curious.
Probably she would shoot at an ex-m.....Marine (ooops! sorry, once a Marine always a Marine)..............Anyhow, she would probably shoot at some dude walking around carrying a metal detector if he was on her property after he found something she might want. :laugh:
Larryj
Quote from: Ross on September 03, 2011, 09:22:32 AM
Those pancreas attacks are as painful as a heart attack or worse. Worse I think because they last for a long period of time. My wife has many small attacks but when that big one comes in it's hospital time.
I hope you do better this fall.
I absolutely agree. I have had both. Heart attacks subside when you get control of your panic and movement but pancreas attack does not. It causes similar pain but much worse its localized in the stomach area instead of the chest.
THE ONLY solution to a attack is to stop eating or drinking anything for 3 -4 days. When i have a bad one i usually end up in the hospital because even 2 or 3 percocet 10's will not bring the pain down to a tolerable level and you usually have to have at least morphine to get it to a tolerable level. They usually use daladid on me which i can only take for 3 or 4 days anyway before it causes the worst migrain headaches you have ever had.
I used to break up cat fights with a well placed BB. Where we lived shooting was allowed, but in Haysville city limits even BB guns were not allowed. When I said that pets, birds and windows were shot at, I was not meaning adults. Children are allowed BB guns and as in every thing else, some of them are not sufficiently instructed in what is considered targets and what is not.
Now, I am not against children having BB guns. I think that is one of the first steps in learning to shoot, but as in other things, they should be supervised until they can be trusted to do the right thing.
Jar, does your toy beep when it finds something? Should I be listening for a beep?
(I am so sorry.................I just can't resist this one...........I am so bad.........)
Wilma, if you hear a beep, step aside, that means he is..............................
backing up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Larryj
I gotta log off, and pack a bag, before some ol Marine (Dude) starts walking up my driveway!
Larryj
Too late Larry---the cross hairs are locked in on your front door right now !! :D
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Jar, does your toy beep when it finds something? Should I be listening for a beep?
Getting kinda personal asking me about my "toys " aint we "? :D
For what ol Sniffer cost I wouldn't call it a toy. I call it a finely tuned instrument for detecting buried relics and treasures. I have it programmed to sound like honking geese and quacking ducks so if I'm in your back yard and hear me you will run outside and look up to the sky to spot that gaggle of geese flying over. I will be under your radar--so to speak-BUT---as a non active duty Marine (that one is for you Larry ), I am a master of camouflage. If you see a new patch of black berry vines in your yard one day, but the next day it's gone---with little divots left behind---you will know ol Sniffer done pillaged your yard.
Wilma ,one of those kids' super soaker water gun blasters might discourage the critters from fighting ,ya could have a lot of fun and it's perfectly legal. Some have pretty high pressure and travel a rather long way. Might work on persistent humans too. I know a few I'd love to soak.
I had thought of that to take care of the tom cat that picks on Bud. I don't think I need to now, since a neighbor picked up the tom cat and had him neutralized. Bud has been a perfect gentleman since that cat hasn't been around.