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According to Kansas Statutes Annotated...
17-5904 Restrictions; exceptions; penalties.
(a) No corporation, trust, limited liability company, limited partnership or corporate partnership, other than a family farm corporation, authorized farm corporation, limited liability agricultural company, family farm limited liability agricultural company, limited agricultural partnership, family trust, authorized trust or testamentary trust shall, either directly or indirectly, own, acquire or otherwise obtain or lease any agricultural land in this state...
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(c) Any corporation, trust, limited liability company, limited partnership or corporate partnership, other than a family farm corporation, authorized farm corporation, limited liability agricultural company, family farm limited liability agricultural company, limited agricultural partnership, family trust, authorized trust or testamentary trust, violating the provisions of this section shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $50,000 and shall divest itself of any land acquired in violation of this section within one year after judgment is entered in the action. The district courts of this state may prevent and restrain violations of this section through the issuance of an injunction. The attorney general or district or county attorney shall institute suits on behalf of the state to enforce the provisions of this section.
17-5902 Definitions. As used in this act:
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(g) "Agricultural land" means land suitable for use in farming.
(h) "Farming" means the cultivation of land for the production of agricultural crops, the raising of poultry, the production of eggs, the production of milk, the production of fruit or other horticultural crops, grazing or the production of livestock. Farming does not include the production of timber, forest products, nursery products or sod, and farming does not include a contract to provide spraying, harvesting or other farm services.
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(t) "Limited liability company" has the meaning provided by K.S.A. 17-7663, and amendments thereto.
(u) "Limited liability agricultural company" means a limited liability company founded for the purpose of farming and ownership of agricultural land...
Nope, nothing to see here. Move along, move along.
Patriot,
By now you should know that corporations have a very tight grip on both parties, especially republicans, and will do whatever they please. Are you really surprised that this isn't being enforced? You continue to support corrupt politicians with your rhetoric and your vote and now you're surprised that your local government is corrupt?
Quote from: Anmar on August 04, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Are you really surprised that this isn't being enforced? You continue to support corrupt politicians with your rhetoric and your vote and now you're surprised that your local government is corrupt?
Surprised? No. Disgusted? Yes.
Since you don't know for whom I vote or have voted, your statement is absent some supporting facts.
Elk County government can't be corrupt! Wilma, Mr Perkins, Charlie Durbin, catwoman, Diane and others here have said so. So it must be true. It's the rest of the world that's all screwed up.
In the most recent house election, the district in which you reside sent the only big business corporate sell-out in the race to congress, you have elected one of the biggest all time corporate sell outs to be your state governor. You're state legislators are no doubt just as bad. These are the elected officials I was referring to, they are the people responsible for enforcing those statutes.
Quote from: Anmar on August 04, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
In the most recent house election, the district in which you reside sent the only big business corporate sell-out in the race to congress, you have elected one of the biggest all time corporate sell outs to be your state governor. You're state legislators are no doubt just as bad. These are the elected officials I was referring to, they are the people responsible for enforcing those statutes.
Unfortunately, you failed to mention one...
The attorney general or district or county attorney shall institute suits on behalf of the state to enforce the provisions of this section.
In the event the land is not classified/zoned as agricultural, then what?
Quote from: Patriot on August 04, 2011, 05:26:08 PM
Unfortunately, you failed to mention one...
The attorney general or district or county attorney shall institute suits on behalf of the state to enforce the provisions of this section.
The attorney generals serve at the direction of their bosses.
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 04, 2011, 05:39:29 PM
In the event the land is not classified/zoned as agricultural, then what?
Not being a zoned county, that part wouldn't seem to apply. As to property tax classification, the statute clearly says ag land is that land
suitable for agriculture... grazing, hay, crop production etc. So you be the judge, does tax status change the spirit and intent of the statute? I would say, based on suitable uses vs tax class for actual uses is a moot point. So the question would be... is the owner a corp, partnership, LLC that is or is not registered with the state as organized as an Ag business? The registry of the owner and suitability of the land is the determinate, not the taxed use.
You're making really good points, however if it's not a zoned county, the county appraiser's office has an assigned classification to property/tracts and I've seen rural land classified as something other than ag by the county appraiser in a non-zoned county.
For instance, perhaps a feed yard has something other than an ag classification.
Suitable? Is it suitable for ag if it's classified as something else? Beats me....
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 04, 2011, 06:20:59 PM
You're making really good points, however if it's not a zoned county, the county appraiser's office has an assigned classification to property/tracts and I've seen rural land classified as something other than ag by the county appraiser in a non-zoned county.
For instance, perhaps a feed yard has something other than an ag classification.
Suitable? Is it suitable for ag if it's classified as something else? Beats me....
Feedlot ops, swine production and other special operations are specifically addressed in the statute as being decided by public vote, I believe.
Quoteas something other than ag by the county appraiser in a non-zoned county.
That may be comercial, other use, or a mixed use as per State Statutes...depending on the situation.
Not everything is cut and dried when it comes to classification.
Check your State Regs.!!!!
ready
Something I don't understand. If someone thinks only bad about the place where they are living, why are they still living there?
Quote from: Wilma on August 04, 2011, 07:11:24 PM
Something I don't understand. If someone thinks only bad about the place where they are living, why are they still living there?
No, you don't understand. Just don't get it do ya? Ignoring problems doesn't make them get better or go away. Besides, this post was as much about education and information as anything. Have
you learned anything new?
Wilma??? did you hit a wrong link?
Please clarify as to the topic.
Quote from: Anmar on August 04, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
In the most recent house election, the district in which you reside sent the only big business corporate sell-out in the race to congress, you have elected one of the biggest all time corporate sell outs to be your state governor. You're state legislators are no doubt just as bad. These are the elected officials I was referring to, they are the people responsible for enforcing those statutes.
He's a hell of a lot better than the last gov we had.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 04, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
He's a hell of a lot better than the last gov we had.
LOL Reminds me of an old lawnmower I owned... the governor went bad and the motor ran away with itself.
gotta check those governors..they have a tendency to go full throttle! unless you flip a finger to get them back...lawnmower speakish.... ;D
Patriot, please don't put words in my mouth. I never said ELk County couldn't be corrupt. (On an entirely different thread and a different subject, by the way.) I just don't happen to think the people who have been chosen to bear the brunt of the indirect and direct accusations by a small few of you are crooks. Just because decisions elected officials make are unpopular with some doesn't make them illegal. No matter what they do somebody will be glad and somebody will be sad.Such is the way of Gov't ,even in areas of tiny populations. By 2050 it will be moot....you are expected to be a ghost town by then. It was in an interesting but very sad article I read recently about rural America.
The way things are going I would say we will be a suburb of Wichita by 2050---------------2050 ? Guess I won't be around to see one way or the other !!!! But if I am please tighten the restraints on my wheel chair so I don't fall out.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2011, 09:25:26 PM
By 2050 it will be moot....you are expected to be a ghost town by then. It was in an interesting but very sad article I read recently about rural America.
With that kind of thinking then nothing matters today, because all of us will be dead in 2050. Corruption (?), rape, murder, robbery, petty theft, war ----- nothing matters.
To me today does matter because what you do today affects tomorrow --- tomorrow being as far out as 2050 and beyound. Unless the world ends tomorrow.
I moved to Elk County knowing it would be a good place to live. I have personally known quite a number of the previous county commissioners. Went to school with one of them. I have known the families of two of our present commissioners and I cannot imagine that either of them would knowingly do anything to harm our county or their families. Elk County is a family oriented county where everybody looks after everybody else. And we don't do it by trying to ruin the reputations of citizens with previously proven good intentions.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN PROVE TO THE CONTRARY, PLEASE PRESENT THE FACTS. STOP WITH THE INNUENDOES.
I know this is off topic, but this thread is still impugning the reputations of our commissioners, and this isn't being done by long time citizens who have known the commissioners most of their lives. It is being done by fairly new citizens who have bought land and moved here, then find that they can't have their way.
For you all that look in on us, please don't judge the county by what these few people are saying. Elk County is a good place to be. It is struggling to try to keep it a good place in spite of the fact that a few are unhappy.
Patriot and Ross, my comment about rural problems wasn't an opinion from me .It came from an article in our paper, July 28, taken from the 2010 census. From Hope Yen AP
"Population of Rural America Hits New Low,Census shows." from Washington. It states in part, Rural America now accounts for just 16 percent of the nation's population, the lowest ever.....by midcentury many communities could shrink to virtual ghost towns as they shutter businesses and close down schools.
It goes into where and why and all, and then the last part of the last paragraph could have been written by many of you.
"Many rural areas can't attract workers because their aren't any jobs and businesses won't relocate there because there aren't enough qualified workers.So they are caught in a downward spiral."
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 07:13:45 AM
I moved to Elk County knowing it would be a good place to live. I have personally known quite a number of the previous county commissioners. Went to school with one of them. I have known the families of two of our present commissioners and I cannot imagine that either of them would knowingly do anything to harm our county or their families. Elk County is a family oriented county where everybody looks after everybody else. And we don't do it by trying to ruin the reputations of citizens with previously proven good intentions.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN PROVE TO THE CONTRARY, PLEASE PRESENT THE FACTS. STOP WITH THE INNUENDOES.
I know this is off topic, but this thread is still impugning the reputations of our commissioners, and this isn't being done by long time citizens who have known the commissioners most of their lives. It is being done by fairly new citizens who have bought land and moved here, then find that they can't have their way.
For you all that look in on us, please don't judge the county by what these few people are saying. Elk County is a good place to be. It is struggling to try to keep it a good place in spite of the fact that a few are unhappy.
Now that you have gave your sermon, here is mine.
I like Elk County as musch as you do. But I diasgree with a few things that are going on in our county right now. And Elk County is just like any other rural , county in the US of A. But I guess if you don't suppoert the good old boy's club you are considered wrong. I really don't really see what difference it makes how long you have known someone. You can live next dooor to the nicest person all of your life and then one day find out they are a serial rapist, murder or what ever when they are on vacation. Or they can be highly respected like Senator or Congressman Weiner and then you find out something they have done that is bad. This year alone 14 Navy Officers and Gentlemen of the highest regard have been fired from their esteemed positions . So, you just never know. And the same applies around the world.
When politicians confuse their positions with private organizations that alone should be a red flag to you. Think about it. Ethics, morals, principles. That's my opinion.
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 07:13:45 AM
I moved to Elk County knowing it would be a good place to live. I have personally known quite a number of the previous county commissioners. Went to school with one of them. I have known the families of two of our present commissioners and I cannot imagine that either of them would knowingly do anything to harm our county or their families. Elk County is a family oriented county where everybody looks after everybody else. And we don't do it by trying to ruin the reputations of citizens with previously proven good intentions.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN PROVE TO THE CONTRARY, PLEASE PRESENT THE FACTS. STOP WITH THE INNUENDOES.
I know this is off topic, but this thread is still impugning the reputations of our commissioners, and this isn't being done by long time citizens who have known the commissioners most of their lives. It is being done by fairly new citizens who have bought land and moved here, then find that they can't have their way.
For you all that look in on us, please don't judge the county by what these few people are saying. Elk County is a good place to be. It is struggling to try to keep it a good place in spite of the fact that a few are unhappy.
LOL thats the ones you have to watch the closest. Govt power changes people. sorry i dont' care if you've know them all your life, once they get into a govt position of power, they are never the same.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 05, 2011, 09:28:59 AM
Patriot and Ross, my comment about rural problems wasn't an opinion from me .It came from an article in our paper, July 28, taken from the 2010 census. From Hope Yen AP
"Population of Rural America Hits New Low,Census shows." from Washington. It states in part, Rural America now accounts for just 16 percent of the nation's population, the lowest ever.....by midcentury many communities could shrink to virtual ghost towns as they shutter businesses and close down schools.
It goes into where and why and all, and then the last part of the last paragraph could have been written by many of you.
"Many rural areas can't attract workers because their aren't any jobs and businesses won't relocate there because there aren't enough qualified workers.So they are caught in a downward spiral."
Not enough qualified workers? Poppycock. Theres plenty and i've seen more companies train the workers to do the job. The reason they don't come is the taxes and infrastructure. Thats its. IF they wouldn't tax the bejeeber out of them and would build up a industrial park for them they will come.
I think sometime ago when we were batting around ideas, I did suggest an industrial park for small incubation industries, but was told it wouldn't work.
Ross, don't you know that you can't do anything in Elk County without the whole county knowing about it? How and where could our commissioners get away with anything? There are a lot of rocks but not enough to hide behind if you want to do something you shouldn't be doing.
Diane, an industrial park would have to have water to support it. You know what the water situation is in Elk County. Unless, of course, we could go harness that delightful low water crossing way out west on Limestone known as Clear Creek. I wonder if it is still running.
:D Now that you remind me, it was the water issue. I've never known Clear Creek to run dry, just low. I'll have to hire someone to go out there and look. ;D
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 02:25:12 PM
Ross, don't you know that you can't do anything in Elk County without the whole county knowing about it? How and where could our commissioners get away with anything? There are a lot of rocks but not enough to hide behind if you want to do something you shouldn't be doing.
Diane, an industrial park would have to have water to support it. You know what the water situation is in Elk County. Unless, of course, we could go harness that delightful low water crossing way out west on Limestone known as Clear Creek. I wonder if it is still running.
Heck wlima elk has had water in it for a while. Moline i think had water long before howard. and Moline the last time i checked was in elk. the park could be down there ya know.
Whats that clear wet stuff thats flowing down water pipes all over elk countynow? I mean those folks pay 70.00 a month just to have the water coming to their door and an additional 8 or9 bucks a thousand?
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 02:25:12 PM
Ross, don't you know that you can't do anything in Elk County without the whole county knowing about it? How and where could our commissioners get away with anything? There are a lot of rocks but not enough to hide behind if you want to do something you shouldn't be doing.
Diane, an industrial park would have to have water to support it. You know what the water situation is in Elk County. Unless, of course, we could go harness that delightful low water crossing way out west on Limestone known as Clear Creek. I wonder if it is still running.
That's not entirely true Wilma.
But Wilma I haven't actually accused any one of anything illegal now have I?
I personally believe it to be very unethical for a County Commissioner to sit at the County Commissioners Meeting and being a spokesperson for Elk Konnected and at the same time deny Elk Konnected's using tax dollars immediate after a representative for Elk Konnected Youth Services had just asked for money from the Commissioners. And after it is pointed out to the County Commissioner, the County Commissioner then still denies Elk Konnected uses taxpayers money. Would you call that ethical, would you call that having principles.
How about a County Commissioner writing what I consider a phoney phoney letter to an own organization she claimed to be founder of and using the title of County Commissioner? Is that what we elect County commissioners for, to endorse organizations, to praise organizations in our name? Is that ethical? Or is it because you have know these people all your life that it is okay to use us as they see fit?
You asked Wilma and that my opinion. Ethics, principles, values do these things mean anything to you and Elk County?
So you see they don't have to hide if they have a blanket okay to do what ever they want now do they?
So now you are saying that there isn't any corruption, just maybe something that you perceive as possibly unethical. Tell me, what is unethical about belonging to a non-profit organization that requests taxpayer funds, (just as numerous other organizations do)? If the commissioner belonged to the Howard Ball Organization, would it still be unethical. Would it be unethical if a commissioner belonged to the Longton Fair Board when they asked for money to help rebuild their building? Where is the unethical? What about the times that Longton has requested help in repairing their streets? Does a commissioner have to give up every possible connection to other organizations just to be ethical?
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
So now you are saying that there isn't any corruption, just maybe something that you perceive as possibly unethical. Tell me, what is unethical about belonging to a non-profit organization that requests taxpayer funds, (just as numerous other organizations do)? If the commissioner belonged to the Howard Ball Organization, would it still be unethical. Would it be unethical if a commissioner belonged to the Longton Fair Board when they asked for money to help rebuild their building? Where is the unethical? What about the times that Longton has requested help in repairing their streets? Does a commissioner have to give up every possible connection to other organizations just to be ethical?
No, Wilma playing two parts at one time as a Commissioner a person should be Commissioner only and not the organization. Very simple. If you can't keep the positions seperate, give one up. Simple, huh? And I personally have never used the word corruption. However since you continue to bring it up, can't you see where a lack of ethics could lead to it? If you represent the Howard Ball Organization and that Organization comes before you requesting taxpayers dollars that would be very unethical especially if two out of three Commissioners are cheerleaders for the organization. Can you not see the conflict of interest? Can you not see the lack of ethics in the situation? There are no excuses fo the behavior, none. And to use your title of Commissioner to further a groups agenda is totally uncalled for. The citizens of the county are who you represent as a County Commissioner and no one else and the title is not for your own use willy-nilly. Simple ethics.
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
What about the times that Longton has requested help in repairing their streets? \
Uh Wilma, could you please tell me when this was ? Who did Longton request the help from ? Were they denied the help or richly rewarded with mucho dinero to fix our streets ? Just asking .
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 07:13:45 AM
IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN PROVE TO THE CONTRARY, PLEASE PRESENT THE FACTS. STOP WITH THE INNUENDOES.
I know this is off topic, but this thread is still impugning the reputations of our commissioners..
Yes, you are off topic, but what's new. This thread has not one damned thing to do with the county commission or any commissioner or any public employee, or, for that matter, Elk Konnected. Other than in response to your off point ramblings. You're busy defending and nothing in this thread is alleging anything about anyone. Are you, or someone you know, feeling guilty about something? Is there some drive to defend to avoid confession?
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 02:25:12 PM
Ross, don't you know that you can't do anything in Elk County without the whole county knowing about it? How and where could our commissioners get away with anything? There are a lot of rocks but not enough to hide behind if you want to do something you shouldn't be doing.
Unchristian like gossip and backbiting? Surely not in Elk where we're family oriented and all looking out for one another. Such rumor mongering would definitely set a bad example for our children.... please say it ain't so!
Quote from: Wilma on August 05, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
Tell me, what is unethical about belonging to a non-profit organization that requests taxpayer funds...
To which non-profit do you refer? Be careful now, facts and truth are important.
Can you prove that ELK LLC is not a non-profit organization?
Quote from: Wilma on August 06, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
Can you prove that ELK LLC is not a non-profit organization?
Only by inferences in two instances.
1. EK has relied on the county government to secure at least 3 grants (each in excess ov $13,000) from the Kansas Helath Foundation for their use. The KHF published rules clearly say these grants are available to
only government or properly established 501(c)(3) non profit companies. Why did the county apply for these in the name of government and not for EK? If EK is a non profit, EK could have directly applied.
2. EK recently published their intent to funnel donations through the ECCEF, a non-profit foundation started by Elizabeth Hendricks in 2001 so donations to EK could be tax deductible. If EK were a non-profit, direct donations should already be tax deductible. What would the IRS say? Could this be an attempt to circumvent federal tax law?
Now... you've been given a direct answer, Wilma. Your turn. Do you have any proof that EK
is a non profit LLC? Or do you simply believe your own rhetorical assumptions without proof or question?
And after you fail to answe directly by providing your usual evasive BS.... how about discussing in this thread the topic of this thread, and take your EK/Liz defensiveness to one of the threads more suited to your personal interests in other matters.
Quote from: Patriot on August 06, 2011, 01:06:09 PM
Now... you've been given a direct answer, Wilma. Your turn. Do you have any proof that EK is a non profit LLC? Or do you simply believe your own rhetorical assumptions without proof or question?
Oh Wilma..... where are you? No answers? Gee. I'm disappointed. not surprised, but greatly disappointed.
Just one question? If you are so sure that there is something wrong, what are you going to do about it?
Quote from: Wilma on August 08, 2011, 08:34:56 PM
Just one question? If you are so sure that there is something wrong, what are you going to do about it?
Now, now, now... I answered one question... you have to answer one. Let's be fair, shall we? It was you who were so sure the group was a non profit. I showed you mine, now you show me yours.
Besides... there is nothing inherently wrong with being either a for profit or a non profit. And I never said there was.
So WHAT are you bitching about?
Quote from: Wilma on August 09, 2011, 07:18:56 AM
So WHAT are you bitching about?
Patriot quitch bitchin and start discussin or is that cussin?? LOL
Quote from: Wilma on August 09, 2011, 07:18:56 AM
So WHAT are you bitching about?
Wilma, I'm sorry you just can't understand. Perhaps you never will. Your hypocrisy overwhelms me. You answer simple questions by asking questions of your own, demanding answers just as you accuse others of doing. Then, when you get a clear & straight answer, you are unwilling to respond in kind. Your arrogance & circular thinking (or that of your coach) is utterly unsurpassed. By the way, enjoy your new property taxes.
Quote from: Patriot on August 09, 2011, 09:24:25 AM
Wilma, I'm sorry you just can't understand. Perhaps you never will. Your hypocrisy overwhelms me. You answer simple questions by asking questions of your own, demanding answers just as you accuse others of doing. Then, when you get a clear & straight answer, you are unwilling to respond in kind. Your arrogance & circular thinking (or that of your coach) is utterly unsurpassed. By the way, enjoy your new property taxes.
New taxes? Lovely!