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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Judy Harder on July 29, 2011, 05:20:10 AM

Title: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: Judy Harder on July 29, 2011, 05:20:10 AM
Is there anything listed that you can't live without?

                  These are all the programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting.
                  Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy. $445 million annual savings.
                  Save America 's Treasures Program. $25 million annual savings.
                  International Fund for Ireland . $17 million annual savings.
                  Legal Services Corporation. $420 million annual savings.
                  National Endowment for the Arts. $167.5 million annual savings.
                  National Endowment for the Humanities. $167.5 million annual savings.
                  Hope VI Program.. $250 million annual savings.
                  Amtrak Subsidies. $1.565 billion annual savings.
                  Eliminate duplicative education programs. H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
                  U.S. Trade Development Agency. $55 million annual savings.
                  Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy. $20 million annual savings.
                  Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding. $47 million annual savings.
                  John C. Stennis Center Subsidy. $430,000 annual savings.
                  Community Development Fund. $4.5 billion annual savings.
                  Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid. $24 million annual savings.
                  Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half. $7.5 billion annual savings.
                  Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20%. $600 million annual savings.
                  Essential Air Service. $150 million annual savings.
                  Technology Innovation Program. $70 million annual savings.
                  Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program. $125 million annual savings.
                  Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization. $530 million annual savings.
                  Beach Replenishment. $95 million annual savings.
                  New Starts Transit. $2 billion annual savings.
                  Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts . $9 million annual savings. What the hell is this anyway...?
                  Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants. $2.5 billion annual savings.
                  Title X Family Planning. $318 million annual savings.
                  Appalachian Regional Commission. $76 million annual savings.
                  Economic Development Administration. $293 million annual savings.
                  Programs under the National and Community Services Act. $1.15 billion annual savings.
                  Applied Research at Department of Energy. $1.27 billion annual savings.
                  FreedomCAR and Fuel Partnership. $200 million annual savings.
                  Energy Star Program. $52 million annual savings.
                  Economic Assistance to Egypt . $250 million annually.
                  U.S. Agency for International Development. $1.39 billion annual savings.
                  General Assistance to District of Columbia . $210 million annual savings.
                  Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority. $150 million annual savings.
                  Presidential Campaign Fund. $775 million savings over ten years.
                  No funding for federal office space acquisition. $864 million annual savings.
                  End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services. Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act. More than $1 billion annually.
                  IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing payments to remain as part of its budget. $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
                  Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees. $1 billion total savings. WHAT THE HELL...!
                  Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees. $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
                  Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of. $15 billion total savings.
                  Eliminate Mohair Subsidies. $1 million annual savings.
                  Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. $12.5 million annual savings.
                  Eliminate Market Access Program. $200 million annual savings.
                  USDA Sugar Program. $14 million annual savings.
                  Subsidy to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).$93 million annual savings.
                  Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program. $56.2 million annual savings.
                  Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs. $900 million savings.
                  Ready to Learn TV Program. $27 million savings.
                  Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress.
                  HUD Ph.D. Program.
                  Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act
                  TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years
                  My question, what THE Devil is all this doing in the budget in the first place...?
                  Is there anything listed you cannot do without...?
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: srkruzich on July 29, 2011, 06:06:39 AM
There are no Mohair subsidies.  They eliminated that in the 90's. 
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: Patriot on July 29, 2011, 12:56:50 PM
Quote from: srkruzich on July 29, 2011, 06:06:39 AM
There are no Mohair subsidies.  They eliminated that in the 90's. 


Now... let's trim the USDA, EPA, DOEd, & HHS BY ABOUT 40% each, for starters.  That should add a considerable  sum to rhe amount saved each year.  Kill Obamacare for another trillion or so.  Eliminate at least 75% of 'green energy' subsidies. Pass H.B. 25, The Fair Tax Act, which eliminates the IRS completely.  Eliminate the unionization of government employees.


Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: Diane Amberg on July 29, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
There are some I would miss. But I'd be fine with a flat tax and state, not federal DOE. Not too sure about the USDA though because of interstate and international trade.
 They all got there because some congress person wanted to keep their constituents happy and the lobbyists got to them.  If you're going to keep company unions, why take it out on Gov't unions?
Regardless, unless we stop fighting all the wars and bring that money back home, it's all small potatoes. We desperately need to get manufacturing going again and I have a feeling it will start soon. Some companies have had it with shoddy parts from China and counterfeit parts. We also need the modern equivalent of the CCC to get our national infrastructure repaired. That would create a kazillion jobs and get some concrete and steel,etc.going again with a positive domino effect.
Even our local refinery is in the process of starting up again and is rehiring.That has helped a large area already.  
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: srkruzich on July 29, 2011, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 29, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
There are some I would miss. But I'd be fine with a flat tax and state, not federal DOE. Not too sure about the USDA though because of interstate and international trade.
  They all got there because some congress person wanted to keep their constituents happy and the lobbyists got to them.  If you're going to keep company unions, why take it out on Gov't unions?
Regardless, unless we stop fighting all the wars and bring that money back home, it's all small potatoes. We desperately need to get manufacturing going again and I have a feeling it will start soon. Some companies have had it with shoddy parts from China and counterfeit parts. We also need the modern equivalent of the CCC to get our national infastructure repaired. That would create a kazillion jobs
  Even our local refinery is in the process of starting up again and is rehiring. 

I think if this chimpanzee in the whitehouse doesn't pay the social security checks in 5 days you won't have to worry about unions or ccc.  There will be a civil war started!
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: sodbuster on July 29, 2011, 01:56:56 PM
Apple now has bigger cash reserve than U.S.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/29/scitech/main20085526.shtml
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: Diane Amberg on July 29, 2011, 02:08:07 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Red will be so pleased! (Sorry, I just couldn't help it.) It's the merchants that will be mad if the SS checks don't go out. It's all intertwined and not simple at all. Some states have supposedly had problems in unexpected ways when the state Go'vt offices were closed.The tax stamps for liquor ran out in Minn. People who needed one day licenses for weddings at church halls couldn't get them. It's since been resolved but there may be more ''unintended consequences'' to come. What if you needed a marriage license? Big changes ahead?
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: Patriot on July 29, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
Really, it is simple.... Bigger Government & more government regulation & control... wait, that's the general platform of the democrat party.  But who can they call for help & advice?  There's got to be someone with experience.  Got it!  Call  V. Putin!
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: Judy Harder on July 29, 2011, 02:47:45 PM
We also need the modern equivalent of the CCC to get our national infrastructure repaired

I think this is the most important thing. I have often thought this. Altho a lot of people were upset with the CCC and I am too young to remember any of this except in the history books and then the documentaries that we have all watched.

It would get a lot of people off the streets and would be a win-win situation. Each ditch could be cleaned up, trash could be picked up and or streets swept by hand if nothing else........
Beats going to war with country's who end up with their hands out and expect it...
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: srkruzich on July 29, 2011, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: Judy Harder on July 29, 2011, 02:47:45 PM
We also need the modern equivalent of the CCC to get our national infrastructure repaired

I think this is the most important thing. I have often thought this. Altho a lot of people were upset with the CCC and I am too young to remember any of this except in the history books and then the documentaries that we have all watched.

It would get a lot of people off the streets and would be a win-win situation. Each ditch could be cleaned up, trash could be picked up and or streets swept by hand if nothing else........
Beats going to war with country's who end up with their hands out and expect it...
All i know bout it is what my grandpa told me.  He hated it. said it was nothing but slavery.  Shrug.
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: Patriot on July 29, 2011, 02:56:44 PM


Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC):  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps)
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: frawin on July 29, 2011, 03:04:31 PM
If memory serves me correctly the Howard, Polk Daniels Lake, was built by CCC labor. I think there is a sign on the Dam that tells about it.
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: sodbuster on July 29, 2011, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: frawin on July 29, 2011, 03:04:31 PM
If memory serves me correctly the Howard, Polk Daniels Lake, was built by CCC labor. I think there is a sign on the Dam that tells about it.

I will leave this to Frank, Waldo and others to explain. But a quick internet search says it was a WPA Works Project Administration job a Polk Daniels. I have no idea, I trust Frank more than I trust myself.

David
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: srkruzich on July 29, 2011, 03:23:44 PM
Quote from: frawin on July 29, 2011, 03:04:31 PM
If memory serves me correctly the Howard, Polk Daniels Lake, was built by CCC labor. I think there is a sign on the Dam that tells about it.

TVA the "entity" that is supposed to bepurchasing the power from the windfarm was totally built by CCC labor.  This was a massive undertaking building dams ll through the southeast and linking all of the lakes in the states to flow through the tva system.  I think all of the water ends up in the tennessee river.  

Lots of folks were killed too building it.  Paid very little for labor. 15 a month i think was what was offered.  I know my grandpa talked about it saying that he made 45 a month selling game to the restaurants and farming tobacco along with other crops.  there were 13 brothers n sisters and no one there went without food or clothes.  ALl of them made anywhere from 30 -50 a month doing what they could do.  Hunting fishing, farming, sewing, ect.... It went to the operation of the homestead.  

in 1939 my grandpa built a log cabin with my grandma and moved into it and the next year my mom was born in that cabin.  No reastrictions back then, you could make a living if you worked at it.  Today, they would regulate the crap out of ya and stop ya from doing what it took to live.
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: srkruzich on July 29, 2011, 03:25:17 PM
there is a proper use for everything.  You take it out of its proper use you have problems. :)
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: Diane Amberg on July 29, 2011, 04:02:56 PM
CCC paid $30.00 a month to young unmarried unskilled men from 18-25. Most of the money was given to the young man's parents. Perhaps that was why it was called slavery by some.
Title: Re: Anything you can't live without? Here
Post by: W. Gray on July 29, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
Photos of the Polk Daniels Lake construction are at

http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,9509.0.html

It was originally the Howard City Lake but at some point Tom Thompson was honored by naming it Polk Daniels, Thompson's alter ego.