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I think this is going to make a major impact on education. With the failure of school systems, With cheating teachers and administration all over this country, there will be an accounting and termination of all that are caught. This will definitely create a shortage of teachers. Oh well such is life.
But in comes Digital learning. Makes sense! 1 teacher for thousands of students. Now thats utilization of resources. Simply put, put the teachers on a digital media, aka tv or computer, hire assistants who do not need "degrees" to assist students in the classroom, and let them learn. Its pretty much proven that video/computer/digital is a better medium to learn from. Great example is video games. All kids can play video games regardless of their intellectual levels. Give a kid a controller and they'll own the game.
So why not make education digital. Keep the traditional teachers for the basics. Reading writing, arithmetic. Though in all reality, digital learning would cover that better. Science today can be learned digitally. Shoot they can even do the traditional dissection of frogs and such via computer. Why not? Saves money, time, and frogs!
I'm of the generation that went from the era of computers being this mysterious monster located in a huge building taking up floors of that building, to today's cray on a desktop. (cray is one of the most powerful computers on earth and is the military computer in NORAD). I Grew up with computers. I cut my teeth on a ibm 950 which was one of those monsters. Shoot when you ran a program back then, you programmed it with wires and a punch board. When you had the wires in place, you plugged it into its slot and hollered down to the other end and told them to power it up. ALL of that huge tube type hardware could only do what today's calculator can do. Amazing isn't it! Today's computer literally launch space shuttles.
We have done a disservice to students by not integrating computer tech into their education. It's not a end all to be all, just another delivery method. School books are good BUT imagine being able to carry all of the books you will ever use in your education on your smartphone. When your medium for dissemination of information changes, you need to educate our youth to utilize such medium. It can only better prepare them for their futures.
Why not make all education digital? Because there are students who need the extra imput of the adult standing nearby to guide and fine-tune what the student is doing (individualizing it on the spot for the student)...Because it eliminates the ability of the student to pick up the needed social skills necessary to functioning in group settings (and no...The majority of jobs aren't created so that the socially incapable can work in solitude...Those types end up jumping from job to job or just unemployed, period). Why not make learning digital? Gee...Wonder why.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 25, 2011, 07:54:15 AM
Why not make all education digital? Because there are students who need the extra imput of the adult standing nearby to guide and fine-tune what the student is doing (individualizing it on the spot for the student)...Because it eliminates the ability of the student to pick up the needed social skills necessary to functioning in group settings (and no...The majority of jobs aren't created so that the socially incapable can work in solitude...Those types end up jumping from job to job or just unemployed, period). Why not make learning digital? Gee...Wonder why.
From what ive been seeing its a huge success. They now have public school at home. Delivered via internet. Wonderful idea! Plus you don't have to deal with your kids picking up the bad behavior from the other kids via the unrealistic peer pressure they place on each other. From what i have seen the kids in homeschool are better adjusted, more able to say no to things that are wrong as they could care less what their peers think. Its a win win for kids and parents.
Colleges today utilize digital learning. It's a success. IF the kids need extra help then setup a study hall with people in it that can give them extra help. A hell of a lot cheaper than the traditional method.
For the average to above-average student, this is great. What about the children on IEPs? What about the children who live in high risk areas, who have no money for a computer at home? What about the children who desperately NEED to get out of the home and learn some habits OTHER than the bad ones exemplified at home? What about them, Steve? You are typical of those who don't work in the field of education...You don't see the whole picture and you flatly don't get it. There is SO much more to education than just the imparting of academic content. I work in a very low SES school. The primary SAFE PLACE THOSE KIDS HAVE TO GO TO IS THE SCHOOL. We give them the nutrition that they can't afford at home. We give them the security to be able to finally direct their minds to their studies. We listen to them and give them encouragement that they won't get elsewhere. Again...Your idea is one that is already being utilized in many countries for outlying students who can't get to a traditional school...Your idea works great for those students who have no real needs beyond just learning. I applaud you for getting religion when it comes to getting on-board with what already exists...But you have no real idea of what it is to work with that segment of the population that it wouldn't work for.
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Quote from: Catwoman on July 25, 2011, 08:28:09 AM
For the average to above-average student, this is great. What about the children on IEPs? What about the children who live in high risk areas, who have no money for a computer at home? What about the children who desperately NEED to get out of the home and learn some habits OTHER than the bad ones exemplified at home? What about them, Steve?
You know after some real thought and reflection...I don't care about other peoples kids education problems. Sorry but Its not our problem. What i am tired of is paying for them to graduate uneducated.
Being an educator you've never had to deal with hiring todays "graduate". You've never had to go through hundreds of applications to find the one nugget that actually learned. And you've never had to deal with being saddled with complete idiots who cannot think and act without someone being over their shoulder telling them what to do. Kinda like what your proposing about those kids that you think need that "guidance".
There are some kids that do not belong in school period. I know some good folks that have a son who essentially is a 1 year old in his mind. 20 something years old. Yet we WASTE tends of thousands of dollars on his education. WHY? He's 20 years old and still in school. Whats up with that? He never should have been forced to go to school. BUt the law required him to go.
I'm sorry but when below average kids are able to do the work, then there is no reason to specialize anything.
QuoteWe give them the nutrition that they can't afford at home.
Again WHY? ITs not our job to feed them. WHy aren't they getting food? IF they are low income like that, then they get foodstamps. Again, not my or your problem. Its the parents responsibility to feed their kids! You think i enjoyed working 2 and 3 jobs to feed my kids? Hell no. But i did so. SO can these parents. I was dirt ass poor when i had my kids at first. Got no help whatsoever. Nor did i expect it.
QuoteWe give them the security to be able to finally direct their minds to their studies.
ROTFLMAO My mom and dad gave me the belt to direct my mind to my studies, and i did the same to my kids!
QuoteWe listen to them and give them encouragement that they won't get elsewhere.
thats great but it doesn't require a school to do that.
QuoteAgain...Your idea is one that is already being utilized in many countries for outlying students who can't get to a traditional school...Your idea works great for those students who have no real needs beyond just learning. I applaud you for getting religion when it comes to getting on-board with what already exists...But you have no real idea of what it is to work with that segment of the population that it wouldn't work for.
Again why won't it work for them? We import them from all areas of a county to a central institution. Box them in for 8 hours or more a day, and why won't this work for all of them. And folks not having computers???? COME ON GIVE ME A BREAK. I can go onto any campus out there and i'll dare say that 90% of them have iphones, droides or whatever smartphone is out there. Their parents cant afford to feed them but they can afford to buy them the iphones??? Sheesh. IF not iphones what about nintendo? Sega? Sorry but they can't afford it isn't an excuse. Tell mom and dad to give up their 2 pack a day habit, that 12 -24 pack a day beverage of choice, and when they do and still cant afford to take on their responsibilities then come ask us for money. Until then, i have no compassion for them. I've been there done that got out of it and I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack either! IF i can do it they can do it.
I know ya think i hate kids, not true. I love em they taste like chicken you know.... But really what its all about is responsibility. WHen my children got to 18 years old, my responsibility for any child ended. PERIOD. I Fulfilled my obligations and requirements of law and resent anyone saddling me with someone elses responsibility. I didn't saddle one taxpayer with my responsibility! NOT ONE.
Why do i and every other parent have to pay for someone elses(i'm going to say what wilma wouldn't say the other day)
brat?
BTW the other day my mom called me up and told me something i knew but she didn't. She went to go pay 1300 dollars for her property taxes on her house. When she got there, the lady pulled up the account on computer and said Mrs. Kruzich that will be 65.00 for your property tax this year. My mom apparantly was in a state of shock and the lady explained, Mrs. Kruzich you are 70 years old now and the state of Georgia at age 65 cuts your tax burden in half and when your 70 years old eliminates the entire school system tax from your property taxes. Now I call that common sense and a good law!
We, as a society, owe it to every child to make sure they have every advantage possible...Those kids didn't ask to be born. We owe it to them just as much as we owe it to those who can't work to pay our taxes so that they can go on disability and still be able to afford to function as a hopefully independent adult. As far as how you handle your children...More power to you. Wish all parents were carbon copies of you BUT THEY ARE NOT. GET OVER YOURSELF AND YOUR EXALTED POSITION IN HOW YOU, YOURSELF, HANDLE YOUR KIDS. Once again, you are showing your ignorance of what really is involved in the field of education. I applaud your position...Now, try looking at from reality instead of the position of "it's not my problem".
>:( >:( >:( OMG, srkruzich, I can't hardly believe your idiotic ideas and your "everyone has one or can afford one" "I'm not responsuible for every kids education" and on and on bull crap. Remember the "It takes a village to raise a child?" Your responsibility ended when your kids turned 18? Did you home school them? or did you just give them a COMPUTER and tell them to go teach themselves? My oldest is almost 53, a mother and a grandmother, and she is still my responsibility when she has problems OF ANY KIND. Our educational system may not be perfect, but take away the computers till they are in high school and teach them the 3 R's, penmanship, science, world and state history, health and some physical activity. Make healthy citizens out of them along with education. All children need to be with other children to learn to socially mix with other people and proper actions in public. Yes, social graces should be taught by parents, but many don't and there still no interaction with other children if they are not with other children. Restrict the time they spend in front of the TV or computer screen. Give them chores to do AFTER the homework is done. Teach them responsibility and educate them and you have a person ready for the working class. I can count in 30 seconds and on one hand the number of close friends I have that do not have a computer or a cell phone.
I agree with all of you at one point or another.
Steve, younger kids are still learning HOW to learn. They need constant oversight to help them develop longer attention spans and concentration.( Time on Task) They are, at least here, exposed to computer lab training in K and on up. High school can be very different and will surely use more and more technology, once folks ever decide what the curriculum should be.
As far back as 1962, when I was a lowly frosh, UD had huge classes in lecture halls run by teaching assistants, usually scheduled for three days a week. The materials were on film and we rarely ever saw the professor except for an occasional lecture. The syllabus and homework assignments were handed out by the assistants. This was very common in the 101 level classes that were required for almost everyone. It's not a new idea.
I took Delaware History ,a required course, on Saturday morning (second semester) on the one dorm TV. Then we went to an assigned place for the final exam, a 200 question multiple choice test. That era was also the beginning of "programmed texts." They had the course information, but then also had built in quizzes. Depending on how one scored, the book would then send you to another section for remedial work, or on to new information. Self teaching. I had a few of those that we used with the kids during my first years of teaching also, not very popular or successful.
I also totally also agree with Cat, Angie and Flo. There is much more to effective education than just laying out information....but, I can see in the upper grades and college too, technology ,when not abused, can be exciting and wonderful.
But Steve, weren't you the one who also said to ditch all the gadgets and make the kids work with nothing more than pencil and paper? I think that still has a place too.
Using all the senses is important .We've talked about that before. Everybody has comfort learning areas, whether one is a visual learner, an auditory learner, a tactile learner or a combination of all. People who are not teachers don't necessarily know that. But teachers do, and try to help all kids achieve as much as they can by using a combination of things that hit all learning areas. Tactile learners don't do as well on computers as auditory and visual learners do, but they can get around it. There will always have to be memorization for applied skills to work, such as memorizing x tables, and shop, and science where doing things is more important than theory. In other areas in the future some educational topics may depend more on learning how to look up facts, rather than memorizing such things as time lines. My goodness, some folks may actually learn the apostrophe rules. ;D Of course the grammar checks and spell checks will help too.Then there is the use of the correctly spelled, but wrong word.( Site, sight) People will still need to learn grammar basics, even if just to be good examples for their own kids. NO EXCUSES ;)
Remember, ultimately we are creating a whole person, not just a brain on a stick. We want them to succeed in the world they will live in,not necessarily the world we were born into.
The social skills away from home... judgement, all of it, come in time and have to be reenforced, if not taught in school. Teachers are responsible for the education and safety of all the kids, not just the kids of one family.
Steve, often the parents of the severely retarded demand that schools take their kids, no matter how wasteful it may seem or how expensive it is because they pay taxes too. Institutionalizing those kids isn't cheap either, so what is the alternative? It's a heart wrenching thing and very expensive no matter how it's handled. No easy answers on this one.
As far as your stance on "avoidance learning," I strongly object and always will. Most parents would NOT agree with you.These are children, not pigs, dogs and horses. A swat for misbehavior is one thing, associating education to violence just isn't right.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 25, 2011, 09:50:12 AM
We, as a society, owe it to every child to make sure they have every advantage possible...Those kids didn't ask to be born.
I didn't ask for them to be born. Just because their parents couldn't keep it in their pants, we get saddled with raising their kids, Nope not my problem. Again, I took care of my responsibility. I'll for damn sure not take on someone elses responsibility. Thats the problem with this country today. Abdication of responsibility is why this country is bankrupt!
QuoteWe owe it to them just as much as we owe it to those who can't work to pay our taxes so that they can go on disability and still be able to afford to function as a hopefully independent adult.
THose that go on disability paid for their disability! They paid into it. It is a contractual obligation that was made by the government to the people that were forced to pay into it. So therefore it is a contract not a obligation. Again i did not create these kids. Nor did i derive any pleasure or benefit of it and should not be required to pay for their fun.
QuoteAs far as how you handle your children...More power to you. Wish all parents were carbon copies of you BUT THEY ARE NOT. GET OVER YOURSELF AND YOUR EXALTED POSITION IN HOW YOU, YOURSELF, HANDLE YOUR KIDS. Once again, you are showing your ignorance of what really is involved in the field of education. I applaud your position...Now, try looking at from reality instead of the position of "it's not my problem".
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I'm not going to get over myself. I did it and they don't. Its not my fricking problem if they are too stupid to face their own responsibilities. Take care of their own mess. Why should i look at it from any other position. Whats in it for me? Do i benefit? do i get something in return? Nope can't say that i do! Other than the "touchy fuzzy feeling" you get when you do something good. I get all the touchy feely i need from my pups and my goats and critters. HAven't you heard, i kiss goats!
Quote from: flo on July 25, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
>:( >:( >:( OMG, srkruzich, I can't hardly believe your idiotic ideas and your "everyone has one or can afford one" "I'm not responsible for every kids education" and on and on bull crap. Remember the "It takes a village to raise a child?"
NO it doesn't! If the damn village had interfered with the raising of my child, i would have responded with force against it. That's interfering with parents rights to raise their child according to their own ideology. The village has no business in raising anything.
That's a Marxist communist bullshit ideal. Keep your village out of my kids business.
QuoteYour responsibility ended when your kids turned 18? Did you home school them? or did you just give them a COMPUTER and tell them to go teach themselves?
Both. Taught my nephew as well. By age 12 all of them could build a computer blindfolded configure it and install any program and run it. by age 12, 2 of the 3 boys were invited to duke university to go to college. Product of home teaching, not government teaching. By age 12, my oldest was invited to be a page at the senate in Alabama due to the fact that at age 12 he corrected the senator on a tour of the capital on the constitution. Specifically 1st 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments. Senator was tellig the kids that the 1st only covered the freedom of speech, the second only pertained to hunting, the 4th only pertained to the boarding of troops in your home and the 5th only pertained to self incrimination. My oldest stopped him right there in front of the school, as well as the senators peers and told him that 1st amendment not only dealt with freedom of speech but with freedom OF regligion not from religion and that theres no such thing as separation of church and state that, that was from the jefferson papers. THen he went on to correct the good senator on the 4th amendment being that it requires the government to have a warrant to search anything and that the purpose was to protect our property from unreasonable searches, then he went to the 5th. explained it also included emminent domain, and then reserved the 2nd amendment for last and explained that the only thing the 2nd amendment does is guarantee the right to keep (own, keep, possess) and bear (to carry, keep on ones person, to brandish, openly carry) arms, and that its sole and ONLY PURPOSE was to give the citizens the ability to throw the government out by force!
When he did that, the peers were chuckling and we got the letter inviting him to come serve as a page. Now its rare as hens teeth to get that from government educators!
QuoteMy oldest is almost 53, a mother and a grandmother, and she is still my responsibility when she has problems OF ANY KIND.
Well sorry to hear that. My children have grown up and are taking care of themselves and their own responsibilities! They don't need daddy to bail them out anymore. Now i can stop being a parent and actually be friends with my kids.
QuoteOur educational system may not be perfect, but take away the computers till they are in high school and teach them the 3 R's, penmanship, science, world and state history, health and some physical activity.
WEll hate to tell ya you take that away today, they won't be able to get a job paying more than min wage. your going to need more than RWA to make a living these days.
QuoteAll children need to be with other children to learn to socially mix with other people and proper actions in public.
No they don't. Proper actions aren't taught by other children, proper actions are taught by parents starting off with making them mind in public. One of my biggest pet peeves in public is those parents that won't make their brat mind in a restaurant. IF i go there to eat and someones brat is running around and raising hell, i get up and tell the parent to get up and be a parent and make the kid shut up. Done it many times. Pisses the parent off so much they leave.Mission accomplished!
But people today don't wanna upset people so they put up will unmannerly children and parents that haven't got the ca hones to discipline their children.
QuoteYes, social graces should be taught by parents, but many don't and there still no interaction with other children if they are not with other children.
Again that's not my problem. That's their problem. IF they become my problem i will deal with it very quickly as i told ya about in the previous paragraph.
QuoteRestrict the time they spend in front of the TV or computer screen.
CHeck yep agree! I'll do ya one better. Get rid of the tv! I did!
QuoteGive them chores to do AFTER the homework is done.
Check yep you bet! Delegation of the housework, yardwork and everyday operation of the house is a necessity. It also teaches responsibility. Start out with the younger ones in feeding a pet, or taking trash or washing dishes and increase as age dictates. A parent should not have to do much with kids helping. A single parent if they do it right should not have to do anything other than working and a little house duty. Kids need to take on responsibility. Furthermore when I became disabled, I was so damn proud of my boys. They were in highschool, working their jobs and when my income went to zero, they took their money and paid the bills! Now that's responsibility in action!
QuoteTeach them responsibility and educate them and you have a person ready for the working class. I can count in 30 seconds and on one hand the number of close friends I have that do not have a computer or a cell phone.
And YOU are how much older than the 18 year olds? thats not a fair assessment when most likely those 30 are your age or close too it.
This is a very interesting subject you are debating on. Love it.
I am not a teacher.....nor was I much of a student..........think if I were in school now, I would qualify for title one and extra help.
My folks tried grounding from all school events.........dances, games anything and the more they grounded the lazier I got. I think if someone had told mom that I needed special education she would have still been erupting.........I know it didn't help my self confidence.
Oh, I found out I could learn. I did have a good work record when my husband and I needed the extra income and he worked shift work so I could work nights and he worked days and one or the other of us stayed home with the 3 under 3.
Not excusing my self over any of this. It is all fact and we can't go back.
I do know since I have this computer.........altho I still don't know how/why and when I need to fix it I call Lazy Bear and pay to get it fixed.........I have learned a lot. I even spend time "LOOKING UP things that I spent the highschool years avoiding.
May have needed to get through the "College of Hard Knocks" before I cared enough to educate my brain.
So, I don't feel all students would benefit from a completely digital school. Feeling like a dummy isn't fun. but watching others and even picking up things I didn't know I knew until adult life hit......
I do not have answers. but I can see Magnet schools happening more....
If it is up to me, I still believe in school and leaving the home at least sometime during the week to watch and learn from attending school. Then if lessons can be done at home with a computer so be it.
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Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 25, 2011, 10:28:14 AM
I agree with all of you at one point or another.
Steve, younger kids are still learning HOW to learn. They need constant oversight to help them develop longer attention spans and concentration.( Time on Task) They are, at least here, exposed to computer lab training in K and on up. High school can be very different and will surely use more and more technology, once folks ever decide what the curriculum should be.
ACTUALLY i witnessed two children in the past few years, learn to read and write with minimal adult interaction. They got on computer in the house and learned how to get to their online games. They type in the url address and have done so for 2 years now. They later were formally taught reading. When there's an incentive to learning there's no obstacle.
QuoteAs far back as 1962, when I was a lowly frosh, UD had huge classes in lecture halls run by teaching assistants, usually scheduled for three days a week. The materials were on film and we rarely ever saw the professor except for an occasional lecture. The syllabus and homework assignments were handed out by the assistants. This was very common in the 101 level classes that were required for almost everyone. It's not a new idea.
I took Delaware History ,a required course, on Saturday morning (second semester) on the one dorm TV. Then we went to an assigned place for the final exam, a 200 question multiple choice test. That era was also the beginning of "programmed texts." They had the course information, but then also had built in quizzes. Depending on how one scored, the book would then send you to another section for remedial work, or on to new information. Self teaching. I had a few of those that we used with the kids during my first years of teaching also, not very popular or successful.
Cant remember what the program was years ago but they had these cards in a box you worked, and once done you went on to the next card. or redirected to a supplemental card to further train you. IF i remember right it worked out pretty good.
QuoteI also totally also agree with Cat, Angie and Flo. There is much more to effective education than just laying out information....but, I can see in the upper grades and college too, technology ,when not abused, can be exciting and wonderful.
But Steve, weren't you the one who also said to ditch all the gadgets and make the kids work with nothing more than pencil and paper? I think that still has a place too.
I said to ditch the calculators and gadgets that stopped them from having to know how to do math OR reading OR writing. The computer idea isn't gadgetry. Visual has always been a good medium to teach. Calculators just give answers. it doesn't teach how to get those answers without a calculator.
Boy i would love to see a student today use a slide rule. ROTFLMAO they would look like a calf looking at a new gate!
QuoteUsing all the senses is important .We've talked about that before. Everybody has comfort learning areas, whether one is a visual learner, an auditory learner, a tactile learner or a combination of all. People who are not teachers don't necessarily know that. But teachers do, and try to help all kids achieve as much as they can by using a combination of things that hit all learning areas. Tactile learners don't do as well on computers as auditory and visual learners do, but they can get around it. There will always have to be memorization for applied skills to work, such as memorizing x tables, and shop, and science where doing things is more important than theory.
Science isn't about memorization. It is about applying the abilities to think critically and make informed choices between the results that is obtained. IF you know basic math, you can do science formulas. You don't have to memorize the formulas. In chemistry you generally need to memorize the periodic table only because you need to know the molecular weight of the said element and its basic component structure, how many carbons to however many hydrogens are present. The rest is just deduction and process of elimination. Kids learn POE when their 2 years old. stick a hot tater in a row with other cold items and by process of elimination they will find the hot tater!
QuoteIn other areas in the future some educational topics may depend more on learning how to look up facts, rather than memorizing such things as time lines. My goodness, some folks may actually learn the apostrophe rules.
Yep they might...LOL, I've never been able to memorize very well. Took me 2 years to learn the times tables.
and i used to be able to diagram and dissect sentences but time has taken its toll on me.
QuoteThe social skills away from home... judgement, all of it, come in time and have to be reenforced, if not taught in school.
SOcial skills are taught in the home. To this day, if a adult speaks to anyone of my boys, they respond with a yes sir no sir yes maam no maam. they also respect elders. They also help anyone that needs help whether it be a older or disabled crossing street or the young child that needs something too high out of their reach.
Social skills is not a reflection of their exposure to other kids, it is a direct reflection on their parents in how they brought their children up.
QuoteTeachers are responsible for the education and safety of all the kids, not just the kids of one family.
Thats Education and their safety while in their care right! But social skills, and all the other stuff is not the job of a teacher now is it. :)
QuoteSteve, often the parents of the severely retarded demand that schools take their kids, no matter how wasteful it may seem or how expensive it is because they pay taxes too. Institutionalizing those kids isn't cheap either, so what is the alternative?
In the case of Russel, the state forced the parents to send him. Sorry but Russel has about as much self awareness as a potted plant! Its not his fault it is just the way it is. He cannot speak, he makes sound but thats it. So what is the purpose of sending him to school and having to pay special people to come in and take care of him all day, and teach him? He has 3 teachers for him alone! at the sum of about 40k a year each or more. Not saying he isn't worth spending on, just that it will NOT benefit him. You feel for the guy but quite frankly i think he's better off than the rest of us! He's frozen in time as a very young infant. Can't really feel sorry for him on that count! I might even call it a blessing for him!
QuoteIt's a heart wrenching thing and very expensive no matter how it's handled. No easy answers on this one.
As far as your stance on "avoidance learning," I strongly object and always will. Most parents would NOT agree with you.These are children, not pigs, dogs and horses. A swat for misbehavior is one thing, associating education to violence just isn't right.
ROTFL Well it says in the bible. Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. It also says spare the rod and spoil the child. We have the proof of that walking around in every public school in America!
My grandpa whipped my butt only 1 time in my entire life! my sister and i were being brats in the furniture store when he went to go buy something. He walked out to the truck, walked back in to the store and whopped both of us with the razor strap! I'll tell you one thing, never again did we put him in that situation to have to bring out the strap!
SO yeah it does work! and it does work well!
Quote from: Judy Harder on July 25, 2011, 11:05:21 AM
Not excusing my self over any of this. It is all fact and we can't go back.
I do know since I have this computer.........altho I still don't know how/why and when I need to fix it I call Lazy Bear and pay to get it fixed.........I have learned a lot. I even spend time "LOOKING UP things that I spent the highschool years avoiding.
May have needed to get through the "College of Hard Knocks" before I cared enough to educate my brain.
You know My mother is 70 years old. Her computer died last month, and she called me. I told her where to look and what to do and she determined it was her power supply. I sent her the replacement part and she put it in herself. Just had her on the phone and answered a couple questions about the connectors and she did it. She replaces her own parts, she configures her own computer and when she gets into trouble i talk her through it. IF its too far for her ability i login to her computer and fix it.
At 70 she's going back to work part time, mostly because she has to but she has the computer skills necessary to go to work for the church she's applied to and can do everything needed.
I also teach others to work on their own system. 25 a hour and you can learn. Beats paying lucky bear or dell or any other computer vendor money to fix it! Save tons of money!
Heck i'll even teach ya how to build a computer. 2 hours is usually what it takes. :) even get ya the parts for cost and you build it yourself.
ITS that easy to do.
QuoteSo, I don't feel all students would benefit from a completely digital school. Feeling like a dummy isn't fun. but watching others and even picking up things I didn't know I knew until adult life hit......
I never said all would but the majority will. Just look at the facts. IF a child can play todays video games they can learn via digital media. Those video games have on average over 40 different key sequences to do the things needed to win the game. Now to memorize all those sequences and to know when and how to use them takes a LOT of skill. ANd as yyou know skills are developed through learning and learning these games is strictly visual.
Also when kids are exposed to computers, and the incentive is there, they can quickly learn how to install applications and configure them. I recently taught someone how to download music to the desktop and transfer to their generic ipod. took all of 30 min. They are downloading nuts now!
QuoteI do not have answers. but I can see Magnet schools happening more....
If it is up to me, I still believe in school and leaving the home at least sometime during the week to watch and learn from attending school. Then if lessons can be done at home with a computer so be it.
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Homeschooling is much more than sitting at home. You use everything in a day to teach. Just by going outside and taking care of the critters you learn eveyrthing from math to science! FOR EXAMPLE! go out and find your horse with a bullet wound that is oozing puss. What do you you utilize as far as education to treat the animal? Well math for one. You gotta know what a ml is and how many ml it takes per pound of body weight to administer antibiotic to that animal. Not only that, you need to know the biology of the animal and what kind of antibiotic to use. You need to know what kind of infetcion it is and one way is to take a sample and stick under a microscope and see it. Or lets put it this way. Feed. How much feed do you need to feed a lactating cow to give you the most pounds of milk per pound of grain!
See theres tons of learning involved at home!
Make them figure out the electric bill. How many kwh are used and how much they are paying per kwh.
I see where you think that you have done raised your children. But God forbid what if you had to raise your grandchildren would you do it? I wonder, by the way you sound. Your right it's not yours or anyone elses responsibility to raise, educate, or feed others children. But the bible does say something about treating others with respect and also about how we should treat children. I am very concerned what my children learn from other children. But as their parent I have to teach them right from wrong. If I did homeschool them, then they would have no idea about this cruel world and then what??? Steve, computers are great love my, and I love my online classes. But really if I wasn't so self motivated, which I am not at times, it wouldn't work for me. I would have hated online math. Plus everyone doesn't have computers. I only have one at the daycare and my kids are not hardly allowed to use it. I have to have a working computer for my classes, so I can't afford them to be on it. We do not have one at home that works. I refuse to pay the outragous internet fee, and we don't have a working phone line there. Just cell phones. I have gotten a cell phone for the house, but the girls are not to use it unless they are home without one of us. I am not about to let my girls have cell phones until they can pay their own bill. I also refuse to buy them an Ipod. If they can't help keep the house clean, they can't take care of an IPod. They have cheap MP3 players and that is it. By cheap, 20.00 ones or so.
I am for some use of online classes, just not the majority and especially not in the lower elementaries. There are to many different rules, and things in math and reading that they need to know!! Just not for it!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 25, 2011, 01:03:43 PM
I see where you think that you have done raised your children. But God forbid what if you had to raise your grandchildren would you do it? I wonder, by the way you sound. Your right it's not yours or anyone elses responsibility to raise, educate, or feed others children. But the bible does say something about treating others with respect and also about how we should treat children. I am very concerned what my children learn from other children. But as their parent I have to teach them right from wrong. If I did homeschool them, then they would have no idea about this cruel world and then what??? Steve, computers are great love my, and I love my online classes. But really if I wasn't so self motivated, which I am not at times, it wouldn't work for me. I would have hated online math. Plus everyone doesn't have computers. I only have one at the daycare and my kids are not hardly allowed to use it. I have to have a working computer for my classes, so I can't afford them to be on it. We do not have one at home that works. I refuse to pay the outragous internet fee, and we don't have a working phone line there. Just cell phones. I have gotten a cell phone for the house, but the girls are not to use it unless they are home without one of us. I am not about to let my girls have cell phones until they can pay their own bill. I also refuse to buy them an Ipod. If they can't help keep the house clean, they can't take care of an IPod. They have cheap MP3 players and that is it. By cheap, 20.00 ones or so.
I am for some use of online classes, just not the majority and especially not in the lower elementaries. There are to many different rules, and things in math and reading that they need to know!! Just not for it!!
That all sounds good to me. My grandchild is taken care of by responsible parents! :) So i have no need to raise him. :D They make damn sure he comes first.
Hey Ma.....I'm gonna be 52.....Im gettin old fast enough! Dont push me for cryin out loud! ;D
Steve, Dont rag on my Mom and I wont rag on you, the responsibility she is talkin about has NOTHING to do with finances thank you very much I got my first "outside" job when I was 14 and I've took care of my own (and some others) since I got divorced at 23. If I hit a snag my Mom would be there in a heartbeat because thats what family does and vice versa me for her.
You really need to quit talkin so much smack.... anybody can be a bigshot on the internet....
QuoteThat's a Marxist communist bullshit ideal. Keep your village out of my kids business.
no actually my over educated friend it's a "Christian" ideal of taking care of those who cant take care of themselves and watch your language when you talk to my mother....I sure wouldnt cuss at yours.
anybody can learn anything and some of the most LEARNED people I have ever known I met on a construction site workin their asses off because THAT"S what they loved. There is a difference between LEARNED and EDUCATED.
Dont waste your fingers typing out a big huge point by point rebuttal because quite frankly it wont matter and if I DO read it it will be for amusement.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 25, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Steve, Dont rag on my Mom and I wont rag on you, the responsibility she is talkin about has NOTHING to do with finances thank you very much I got my first "outside" job when I was 14 and I've took care of my own (and some others) since I got divorced at 23. If I hit a snag my Mom would be there in a heartbeat because thats what family does and vice versa me for her.
Thats not a responsibility of your mother. I don't think she dictates what you do with your life. Time for being a parent ended at 18 when you wentout on your own. :)
QuoteYou really need to quit talkin so much smack.... anybody can be a bigshot on the internet....
What you see is what you get you know. :) I'm the same in person.
Quoteno actually my over educated friend it's a "Christian" ideal of taking care of those who cant take care of themselves
Nope not even close. the village concept came from marx. Not Christ. Christ taught family values and family takes care
Quotewatch your language when you talk to my mother....I sure wouldnt cuss at yours.
I think your mama is grown up enough to handle it. She reads your posts and I've seen you use the word bullshit. Shrug.
Quoteanybody can learn anything and some of the most LEARNED people I have ever known I met on a construction site workin their asses off because THAT"S what they loved. There is a difference between LEARNED and EDUCATED.
Ok whatever thats supposed to mean. I don't know why you choose to bring this up.
Dont waste your fingers typing out a big huge point by point rebuttal because quite frankly it wont matter and if I DO read it it will be for amusement.
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One question, Steve. Suppose your grandchild's parents were killed in an accident and the grandchild had no one else. Would you still feel that you had done your job and now it was someone else's responsibility?
Quote from: Wilma on July 25, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
One question, Steve. Suppose your grandchild's parents were killed in an accident and the grandchild had no one else. Would you still feel that you had done your job and now it was someone else's responsibility?
Come on Wilma. That has nothing to do with what i am talking about and you know it! Your talking extremes. First of all that decision isn't mine to make it is the parents decision. They made their decision in their wills. They decided who they want to take care of him. IF it is me they want then i will take care of him til he's old enough to take care of himself. BUT I would choose to take on that responsibility and not be forced to by some arbitrary group that thinks i have too much money so they take it to take care of someone elses kid.
I don't have to worry about that now do I. I have a grandchild that has very responsible adults as parents. So its not even a consideration!
BTW if i did have a chance to raise my GS he sure wouldn't be in a government school. I can teach him better at home. Got the time now i am not working to do a better job than i did when my boys were growing up.
Would i take it on, yep. Only because i love my grandson and i CHOOSE to do it. I don't' love other peoples kids. That's the difference.
Ok, so you love only your family. WOW!! well, not sure I can even go there!! You know you just live in your own little world don't you??? Really!! I wish I had my Bible here now, cause I am sure that it says in there somewhere that you are to love and treat others with respect, or something like that!! All I can say is WOW!!!
I see where you don't think you should raise other peoples kids, get that understand that. I understand that you hate the government and all things with it. But things are so so much different then even when I was a kid in the early 80's. When I was growing up, you could buy penny gum, find old bottles to take to the coop and make money, work at a much earlier age, and even drive when younger. Plus, kids didn't worry what others say. The only drug I actually knew about was mary jane, and didn't do that at all. It wasn't looked at like you were a bad person to go into the bar to get a pop during the day or shoot a game of pool. But today, I don't even want my oldest to walk from our daycare to up town here in Howard. I barely let her even walk to her grandmothers house that lives right beside us in the country. It's not because she is not responsible, it's the other idiots that drive on our road and how fast they go. Gum cost like five cents a piece now, and both parents have to work to even put food on the table. So, if parents homeschool their child they tend to be able to afford to have one parent stay home and not work. Another thing, SRS actually took care of the children and didn't just leave them in abusive homes like they do today. You need to really wake up Steve!! I have been in schools these days, have you? I have seen 3 little girls that kept having head lice, and the step dad ended up shaving their hair all off. He was to lazy to do all the work it took to get rid of. You would be that one heartless person that laughed at those poor girls even though it wasn't there fault. They were under 10, and couldn't work, didn't have the money to buy the stuff to get rid of the problem. It was so sad. One of the girls basically cried all day, and do you know how hard it was to send her home after school.
If those little girls deserved that then you really are heartless!! I don't always agree with you on your points, but the way you put things on here you sound like you could care less about anyone but your family!! That's great and fine, but one of these days you might need help and what would you do if your family weren't there for you?? I would hope that you would have a neighbor that cares enough!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 25, 2011, 02:12:41 PM
Ok, so you love only your family. WOW!! well, not sure I can even go there!! You know you just live in your own little world don't you??? Really!! I wish I had my Bible here now, cause I am sure that it says in there somewhere that you are to love and treat others with respect, or something like that!! All I can say is WOW!!!
I believe it says i should treat others the way i would like to be treated. And I do. I uphold my responsibilities and i expect others to do the same. No difference. I help folks when needed but on my terms not some groups terms or the governments terms.
In fact Christ didn't want anyones help, money or whatever they had if it had to be extorted out of them. He said he loves a cheerful giver. There is no cheer when its extorted or stolen from you!
QuoteI see where you don't think you should raise other peoples kids, get that understand that. I understand that you hate the government and all things with it. But things are so so much different then even when I was a kid in the early 80's. When I was growing up, you could buy penny gum, find old bottles to take to the coop and make money, work at a much earlier age, and even drive when younger. Plus, kids didn't worry what others say. The only drug I actually knew about was mary jane, and didn't do that at all. It wasn't looked at like you were a bad person to go into the bar to get a pop during the day or shoot a game of pool. But today, I don't even want my oldest to walk from our daycare to up town here in Howard. I barely let her even walk to her grandmothers house that lives right beside us in the country. It's not because she is not responsible, it's the other idiots that drive on our road and how fast they go.
THEN take a stand and say no more! Thats what i've done. NO MORE to having to raise other peoples kids. NO MORE to allowing other people to shirking their responsibility, No more to letting everyone walk all over us. NO MORE to all of it!
QuoteGum cost like five cents a piece now, and both parents have to work to even put food on the table. So, if parents homeschool their child they tend to be able to afford to have one parent stay home and not work. Another thing, SRS actually took care of the children and didn't just leave them in abusive homes like they do today. You need to really wake up Steve!! I have been in schools these days, have you? I have seen 3 little girls that kept having head lice, and the step dad ended up shaving their hair all off. He was to lazy to do all the work it took to get rid of. You would be that one heartless person that laughed at those poor girls even though it wasn't there fault. They were under 10, and couldn't work, didn't have the money to buy the stuff to get rid of the problem. It was so sad. One of the girls basically cried all day, and do you know how hard it was to send her home after school.
You don't know me. Would i laugh not on your life. I can understand not having the money to deal with the lice. And yeah its true that if you cna't get rid of it because you haven't got the money to afford the pesticide to put on them then i would have given it to them. QUite frankly his method was far healthier for them than putting a toxic pesticide on them. Sure don't think i would have done that! My method would have been to cut it short, then comb them out. The longer hair even with lice pesticide is very difficult to get it out.
QuoteIf those little girls deserved that then you really are heartless!! I don't always agree with you on your points, but the way you put things on here you sound like you could care less about anyone but your family!! That's great and fine, but one of these days you might need help and what would you do if your family weren't there for you?? I would hope that you would have a neighbor that cares enough!!
You know the only one you can count on in this world is family and sometimes not even them. SOMETIMES you get lucky and find some good folks that will help. And like i said you don't know me. You don't know what i do or who i help or how i do it or anything about it AND you never will know.
Steve, you are remembering the SRA Laboratory boxes. ( Science Research Associates)They started out in the 50's in reading and later went on to math. I had them as a student and used them as a teacher. They were the color coded "stories'' that had questions following them. We've talked about them on here before.
Steve, you just don't get it and never will, I guess. You are not a typical parental ideal situation. I'm glad you made it work for you, but your style should not be everybody's. Not everybody will be asked to go to Duke. Education is not a one size fits all if ya hit the kid hard enough and often enough. I will never, ever agree to that. Also, some kids just aren't mature enough to be cut loose at 18. My own sister wasn't. She was scared of everything and didn't even learn to drive until much later. That spooky attitude has been passed on to one niece. As far as the restaurant incident, that was the managers job, not yours. You pull that stuff around here, you can end up with holes in ya. As far as what Christ had to say...WHAT? You been into the sacramental wine again? Do unto others and all that? I'm sure I could find as least 10 biblical quotes dealing with taking care of people who are in need and not just families. I'm not a biblical scholar by any means, but I sure know what I know. Gotta go now. Have a good evening.
Steve, would you accept the educational system for your children if it was free free free?????? AND I didn't say 30 people I said 30 seconds. You need to learn how to read the small stuff, I guess. ::) ::) ::) :angel:
Sorry Pam, I went to a public school and didn't really learn how to subtract real well, but I try. lolololololol I wasn't privvy to the education you get when you are home schooled by a narrow minded blowhard who has all the answers and knows how it's supposed to be done. My family WORKED and couldn't stay home.
You know, my children might have caught an adult stateing something they disagreed with, but they were taught their manners and respect for elders and they would NOT have corrected them in public. Instead they would have discussed the differences in private, the way it should be handled. But then, I guess when it came time for you to HOME SCHOOL your children on manners, you just skipped over that part.
Quote from: flo on July 25, 2011, 04:46:24 PM
Steve, would you accept the educational system for your children if it was free free free?????? AND I didn't say 30 people I said 30 seconds. You need to learn how to read the small stuff, I guess. ::) ::) ::) :angel:
Sorry flo, myeyes aren't what they used to be. For some reason i saw people not seconds. BUt no i wouldn't accept school if it was free. There is nothing for free in this world.
what i want is people to stop making excuses for those who aren't responsible. Make them face their responsibility.
QuoteYou know, my children might have caught an adult stateing something they disagreed with, but they were taught their manners and respect for elders and they would NOT have corrected them in public. Instead they would have discussed the differences in private, the way it should be handled. But then, I guess when it came time for you to HOME SCHOOL your children on manners, you just skipped over that part.
I actually taught them to be respectful but i also taught them to correct them if their wrong! JUST BECAUSE Your old doesn't mean your right!
I see what you are saying. I have volunteered in many different ex activities, and my biggest pet peeve is to send your child on a trip and not send any food or money with them. But I will not make the child suffer and not eat because of that, I would pay for it. When my oldest daughter was in 6th grade they went to Neewollah. I gave her 20.00 for food and also for rides. She knows that she is to bring money home, too. One parent didn't send any money with their child for even food and she and another girl gave him money to eat. I had a problem with this, and it was because the childs guardians just didn't because they knew that someone would foot the bill. The guardians are know cattle theives. Sorry, but they charged with the crime. Like I explained to her, they are known or charged with stealing cattle. We raise cattle, and to think that they could steal money from a farmer just isn't right. Steve, I see what you are saying about people raising their children. But it is still not always the children't fault. As someone else said, they didn't ask to be born. God created them and gave the child to their parents with the intention for the parents to raise them.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 25, 2011, 05:22:29 PM
I see what you are saying. I have volunteered in many different ex activities, and my biggest pet peeve is to send your child on a trip and not send any food or money with them. But I will not make the child suffer and not eat because of that, I would pay for it. When my oldest daughter was in 6th grade they went to Neewollah. I gave her 20.00 for food and also for rides. She knows that she is to bring money home, too. One parent didn't send any money with their child for even food and she and another girl gave him money to eat. I had a problem with this, and it was because the childs guardians just didn't because they knew that someone would foot the bill. The guardians are know cattle theives. Sorry, but they charged with the crime. Like I explained to her, they are known or charged with stealing cattle. We raise cattle, and to think that they could steal money from a farmer just isn't right. Steve, I see what you are saying about people raising their children. But it is still not always the children't fault. As someone else said, they didn't ask to be born. God created them and gave the child to their parents with the intention for the parents to raise them.
hmm i think i know who your talking about. UNFORTUNATELY those children don't have an advocate for them. THeir parents if they are who i think they are are beyond help. Thieves, and about as low as you can go. This is a situation IMO and i despise and loathe SRS with a passion, but the kids would be better off in another home. Unfortunately the damage is done with them. You see if you don't teach a child the right way before they are 7 years old their personalities have formed and nothing will alter that course unfortunately.
Like i said before if i ever help someone, no one will know it. I prefer to let others take the credit. I've got a curmudgeon image to uphold you know...
Quote from: srkruzich on July 25, 2011, 04:50:52 PM
. There is nothing for free in this world.
Then I guess Teresa can do away with the catagotry of free, trade, etc., right? cause you PAY your own way.
BTW i don't fault the children for their parents actions. One thing i found was you cannot save the world. All you can do is what you can do and what God lays on your heart to do. Anything else is nothing but sounding brass and tinkling cymbals.
Quote from: flo on July 25, 2011, 05:39:02 PM
Then I guess Teresa can do away with the catagotry of free, trade, etc., right? cause you PAY your own way.
Ok whatever you want it to be. I know that there is always a cost. I don't ask for help. I trade or barter, or whatever i need to do to get by. Have I been helped? Yep..And that is not something that you categorize as free trade or barter. There is a cost. That person that does help has to pay for it. The only thing in this world that is free is Gods saving grace. Thats it.
Ok teresa step in here, tell them. You know me. Aren't i the most onery obstinate cold hearted sob you ever met??
QuoteAren't i the most onery obstinate cold hearted sob you ever met??
Steve, I'm not Teresa however I don't think you are cold hearted... ;D
I do agree on your points of Home Schooling. Taken from the HSLDA Acedemic Statistics:
"These findings show that when parents, regardless of race, commit themselves to make the necessary sacrifices and tutor their children at home, almost all obstacles present in other school systems disappear."
I applaud you in your effort with your children. I think what is being said is that the opporturnity for:
1. It takes a lot of money to put a child through 1-12.
2. Both parents need to work to obtain that money to put the child through 1-12.
3. The adult educational skills are not like what they used to be, and I truly believe it began to emerge in the late 70' early 80's.
4. More parents are faced with "diagnosed" disorders, which in my opinion is baloney....People were'different' when I was growing up and they are living great lives now, without the help of medicine.
5. Cut budgets in the schools are now making teachers deal with more students, less one on one attention and more duties with extracirricular activities.
Personally, I have my degree to teach. I decided not to persue it in 1976 when I saw how the parents treated the Superintendent/Principal...They ruled the school, and the kids got their ideas from that.
With both parents working, and no one at home to oversee their daily activities....they get away with 'bloody murder' and other kids pick up on it.
ready
FROM THE SAME STUDY:
These 5,124 homeschoolers' composite scores on the basic battery of tests in reading, math, and language arts ranked 18 to 28 percentile points above public school averages. For instance, 692 homeschooled 4th graders averaged in the 77th percentile in reading, the 63rd percentile in math, and the 70th percentile in language arts. Sixth-grade homeschoolers, of 505 tested, scored in the 76th percentile in reading, the 65th percentile in math, and the 72nd percentile in language arts.
The homeschooled high schoolers did even better, which goes against the trend in public schools where studies show the longer a child is in the public schools, the lower he scores on standardized tests. One hundred and eighteen tenth-grade homeschool students, as a group, made an average score of the 82nd percentile in reading, the 70th percentile in math, and the 81st percentile in language arts.
And the homeschooled students had parents who could afford for one of them to stay home and teach them.
What about the money that was saved by NOT sending them to pulic school? Therein lies the math.
What is the money spent for 1 year, say grades 1-6? Any parents out there with the check book open?
Just curious.
My neighbor across the street home schooled her daughter until 8th grade when she begged to go to school with her friends. I'll ask her if there was a noticeable cost difference. Her three sons have always gone to public school. Good students and no problems.
No offense Diane, but the cost of education in your state, may be a little different, plus the cost of living to get the 'average' job of 13-18,000/year around here.
But if someone happens to know the ratio between the two states....that could be factored in.
Thanks Diane.
Sure, no offense at all. I'll figure it out if I can get the stats and do a comparison.
Quote from: srkruzich on July 25, 2011, 05:45:38 PM
Ok teresa step in here, tell them. You know me. Aren't i the most onery obstinate cold hearted sob you ever met??
Nah, Steve, you're no SOB...But I would call you job security for me... ;D
Steve being ornery myself I just want to say I hope you didn't teach your kids spelling. :police: Ornery not Onery. Just being ornery myself by correcting your spelling. All in fun I thought we needed a little humor here.
David
Quote from: srkruzich on July 25, 2011, 05:45:38 PM
Ok teresa step in here, tell them. You know me. Aren't i the most onery obstinate cold hearted sob you ever met??
Yep... the worst... ;D ;D
Quote from: srkruzich on July 25, 2011, 05:45:38 PM
Ok teresa step in here, tell them. You know me. Aren't i the most onery obstinate cold hearted sob you ever met??
Steve don't let anyone know for sure. I think the most ornery cold hearted s.o.b. persona could work in your favor. Keep 'em guessing. Like you said "you don't know anything about me that I don't want you to know."
David
Quote from: Wilma on July 25, 2011, 06:23:25 PM
And the homeschooled students had parents who could afford for one of them to stay home and teach them.
Afford? ROTFLMAO. NOt a chance! I was a single parent wilma. I worked 3 jobs at one time. I did what it took to provide it! Its called sacrifice! And the majority of this country has no idea on what that is!
What about a single parent working 3 jobs having the time to home school? Aren't there some standards that home schooled have to meet?
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 25, 2011, 06:28:19 PM
What about the money that was saved by NOT sending them to pulic school? Therein lies the math.
What is the money spent for 1 year, say grades 1-6? Any parents out there with the check book open?
Just curious.
You can cut out clothes, gas, food expense, feed em cheaper at home you know, plus all the extra costs that the schools try to ram down your throat. Like those notes they send home sayig that you have to send them a stockpile of x number of pencils xnumber of tissues x number of reams of paper which when you total it out exceeds what your child will use. The rest is confiscated to give to someone elses kid.
Quote from: Teresa on July 25, 2011, 08:30:49 PM
Yep... the worst... ;D ;D
See she told y'all and you know she only tells the gospel truth!
Quote from: Wilma on July 25, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
What about a single parent working 3 jobs having the time to home school? Aren't there some standards that home schooled have to meet?
I think i met the standards. LOL.
QuoteAren't there some standards that home schooled have to meet?
In some states, you have to be certified to homeschool, or was I misinformed?
Google is my friend, sometimes.
"Kansas does not have a law granting homeschooled students the right to participate in public school classes and activities; thus, the individual schools and schools districts have the authority to decide whether to allow homeschooler participation. Policies often vary from district to district.
Students wishing to participate in public school classes or activities should contact their local school for information regarding their district's policy.
For more information on public school access, see HSLDA's Issues Library"
From the HSLDA'S website
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 25, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
In some states, you have to be certified to homeschool, or was I misinformed?
I wouldn't know. I don't need certification to teach my own kids. Again your talking to someone who despises government. :)
sorry Steve, I was posting as you posted.
Well hell! That didn't tell me whether I can homeschool my kid!
I have NO patience! (So, I probably shouldn't! :o)
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 25, 2011, 08:58:50 PM
Well hell! That didn't tell me whether I can homeschool my kid!
I have NO patience! (So, I probably shouldn't! :o)
ready
uhmm kansas requires you to register as a private school. Not hard to do other than that, no other regs are required.
Ready, if you decide that you want to homeschool, you have to register as being a home school and then you can find all the curriculum you need, plus homeschool organizations, that will get you on your way to homeschooling success (hopefully). There are conferences held that parents can attend that will not only expose you to the curriculum but also get you in touch with other parents, thereby giving you the kind of support you'll need in this endeavor. It's not quite as simple as some would have you believe...And yes...There are standards that you have to meet and tests that have to be passed. Look online...It's all there.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 26, 2011, 06:19:05 AM
Ready, if you decide that you want to homeschool, you have to register as being a home school and then you can find all the curriculum you need, plus homeschool organizations, that will get you on your way to homeschooling success (hopefully). There are conferences held that parents can attend that will not only expose you to the curriculum but also get you in touch with other parents, thereby giving you the kind of support you'll need in this endeavor. It's not quite as simple as some would have you believe...And yes...There are standards that you have to meet and tests that have to be passed. Look online...It's all there.
As long as the kids can take the test and pass it, then theres no problem now. :) What is funny is those tests are geared for the public school kids. They are far too easy a test for homeschoolers.
So, that would explain how so many of the homeschooling washouts have "easied" themselves right back into the public school forum, forcing us to have to get them caught up with their peers...Interesting. ::)
Quote from: Catwoman on July 26, 2011, 08:13:08 AM
So, that would explain how so many of the homeschooling washouts have "easied" themselves right back into the public school forum, forcing us to have to get them caught up with their peers...Interesting. ::)
Don't know that theres that many washouts. :) Not every kid can be educated you know.
So what would you do with the ones that you don't think can be educated? We have sheltered workshops and jobs here for all but the absolute worst.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2011, 01:17:32 PM
So what would you do with the ones that you don't think can be educated? We have sheltered workshops and jobs here for all but the absolute worst.
Do with them? hmmm sell em to gypsies?
Quote from: srkruzich on July 26, 2011, 01:19:12 PM
Do with them? hmmm sell em to gypsies?
so what do you have against gypsies????
as for a kid being un-saveable/un-trainable/un-salvageable /whatever by the time they are 7 or so............bullshit.....I've seen grown men change their ways.
So have I and usually because they have found a good woman and change their ways to keep her.
Pam, and Wilma, when I say really bad I mean REALLY disabled mentally and physically.
These kids have no apparent awareness, malformed gums, and teeth, can't chew or swallow, make meaningful sounds, walk or even crawl or have any bowel or bladder control. Some are also deaf and/or blind.
When ADA passed a few years ago it was taken by some to extremes. We have a facility called Stokley that takes care of them, but some parents get the guilts and demand school for them. I know one in particular who was third grade age, but fit the above description and couldn't even hold her own head up. She stayed in a semi reclining padded high backed wheel chair with many straps and padding to keep her in place. A special bus picked her up at home with a nurse and an aide, paid for by the school district. She went to my local school and spent her days constantly being changed and suctioned and fed through a stomach tube by the two folks who cared for her. She was in a special ed class. They knew she could hear but was blind.
The classroom kids were wonderful to her and would hold her hand and sing to her and brush her hair while she listened to stories and music through a head set. There was no way to know if she got anything from it, but she seemed content and rarely cried or got upset. She did get sick a lot and had kidney infections one after the other. I've lost track of her now. She might not even still be alive.
You know the kids that are like that, do not need to be in a school. they need to be with their families. Churchs need to step up to the plate and offer help caring for them by church and members. Thats where that belongs, not in schools or government hands. And many churches do.
As far as the ones who you don't teach right up to age 7, the statistics show that if you don't disclipine them and teach them right from wrong and respect for elders by age 7 your life is going to be hell when they get older. I have to totally agree with the spoiled brats i see in todays society. Been having dialogue with two such brats, unfortuntely not even the military training has taught them respect for their elders. May be life will. They might be army boys but they are still snot nosed brats. Unfortunately i fear they will get a real lesson soon if they get sent to battle.
i know you don't like my method Diane but the best and fastest way to cure the openly defiant youngin is a good spanking on their behind. Once you get them past their mad at you and into the repentance mode, its all for good.
Try watching Super Nanny.
You shouldn't be allowed to keep animals, let alone children , Steveo. You need to listen to these people who have dealt with the real educational world , not your own small experience with your own family. Discipline should match the need for discipline. I can see you using a hot shot. It is a piece of equipment you won't see on our ranch. Put the onus on our churches? What religion?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 26, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
You shouldn't be allowed to keep animals, let alone children , Steveo. You need to listen to these people who have dealt with the real educational world , not your own small experience with your own family. Discipline should match the need for discipline. I can see you using a hot shot. It is a piece of equipment you won't see on our ranch. Put the onus on our churches? What religion?
ROTFL And you think i value your opinion? ROTFLMAO. Why don't ya go back and mind your own business and i'll tell you when you can voice an opinion.
Hmmm..... sounds like something a snot nosed brat would say.
"Norman's not funny"
Tell us more about how tough you've had it, and how smart you are, now that's funny! :P
QuoteBeen having dialogue with two such brats, unfortuntely not even the military training has taught them respect for their elders.
I seem to remember you sayin up a few posts how you taught your kids to talk back "if they thought the elders were wrong".........MAYBE THEY THINK YOU ARE WRONG STEVE!!!!
Quotebest and fastest way to cure the openly defiant youngin is a good spanking on their behind. Once you get them past their mad at you and into the repentance mode, its all for good.
I spanked my kids a time or two but any kid worth their salt is GOING to be openly defiant once in awhile......I'd be worried if they weren"t. We have all known that kid whos mom or dad was a real fan of strict discipline and stood on their kids neck all the time....if they ever get loose they are gonna be the most out of control person on the planet 9 times out of ten and all you can do is hope they dont do themselves or anybody else any lastin damage before they get all the poison of resentment out of their system. Kids are like horses in that you can break em or you can gentle em or you can TRY to break em and create an outlaw.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 27, 2011, 07:21:10 AM
I seem to remember you sayin up a few posts how you taught your kids to talk back "if they thought the elders were wrong".........MAYBE THEY THINK YOU ARE WRONG STEVE!!!!
Doesn't stop me from telling them to go to their room now does it!
QuoteI spanked my kids a time or two but any kid worth their salt is GOING to be openly defiant once in awhile......I'd be worried if they weren"t. We have all known that kid whos mom or dad was a real fan of strict discipline and stood on their kids neck all the time....if they ever get loose they are gonna be the most out of control person on the planet 9 times out of ten and all you can do is hope they dont do themselves or anybody else any lastin damage before they get all the poison of resentment out of their system. Kids are like horses in that you can break em or you can gentle em or you can TRY to break em and create an outlaw.
Now when did i say i whipped them for everything. Open defiance was not allowed. Didn't matter to me why they were defiant i didn't tolerate it. I taught the kids negotiation instead of allowing defiance. They knew the only thing that defiance was going to get them is a slap upside their head. But to negotiate, that usually got them some of what they were going to be defiant about.
Steve we are two diametrically opposed people..........thats just the way it is......I disagree with about 90% of what you think and vice versa.........so live as you see fit and I will do the same and we will just butt heads once in awhile.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 27, 2011, 09:51:38 AM
Steve we are two diametrically opposed people..........thats just the way it is......I disagree with about 90% of what you think and vice versa.........so live as you see fit and I will do the same and we will just butt heads once in awhile.
I'm not surprised. :) I usually am diametrically opposed to quite a few people. But my way works, so i don't see it changing anytime soon.
DIT......to ;D
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/05/atlanta.public.schools.scandal/index.html
Last month, 178 teachers and principals at 44 Atlanta public schools were found to be responsible for, or directly involved in, cheating on the state's standardized test, according to a report issued by the Georgia governor's office following an extensive investigation.
Monday is the first day back to school for the Atlanta system since the report was issued.
The report found that cheating occurred as early as 2001 and that repeated warnings were ignored by those high up in the Atlanta school system. Eighty-two educators acknowledged involvement, according to the report, and six principals declined to answer investigators' questions, invoking their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
About 30 people have resigned or retired under threat of termination proceedings, according to APS. Educators who cheated "should lose the right to be in front of students," said Interim Superintendent Erroll Davis, and that those implicated in the report "will not be appearing in front of children in the fall." Some educators could face criminal charges.
More at cnn
Now the million dollar question is this. Why are they still paying these 30 people. Why haven't they siezed their pay, and their retirement. They deserve neither. They not only have committed crimes but have not preformed as per the requirements set up by the state education board. I would have never threatened to terminate. Just fire their ass. ALL should face criminal felony charges in that they all were doing this to receive 2000 dollars of federal money! That's called theft and its a felony. Throw their ass in jail and return their pay as well as their retirement back to the taxpayer.