This was on facebook this morning. I thought it was deep, profound, and oh so true! What say ye!
Rodney Lay Jr. The next time a politician speaks, or the next time you hear some person say, "The government should do, pay for, or take care of THAT", .... Remember these 5 sentences.
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody, anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
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AMEN.
Between the people who don't work or can't work and the working poor, and then the very top that gets out of it, only half this country pays taxes every year anyway.
Don't know why they think us poor folks don't pay taxes. I'm as poor as a church mouse but I pay a lot of taxes-------for starters my 3 fishing boats require a lot of gas and the tax is high on petro----------my cigarettes? Check out how much tax I pay on them puppies-----and the sin tax I have to pay for my beer, whiskey , vodka and wine is plumb outrageous ---not to mention the sorry dogs tax the copious amounts of sugar I buy to make homemade wine. Too frigging hot & dry for a good crop of grasshoppers and you would need a backhoe to digs worms so what does a fisherman have left to do but buy bait----which you pay taxes on.
Now I'm all depressed so gonna go drink some TAXED beer to calm down !! :)
LOL--------hey, Jarhead, anybody with three boats ain't poor, unless they are all tied together with a roof over them. And, you just keep up with all your desires and activities which, by the way you describe them, would make anybody poor. But, you are correct by saying all of that does give one a headache......................pass the brew, bro. (the taxes on the beer are on you.)
Larryj
Uh huh, then we have to get into the difference between what one has to have and what one wants to have. That church mouse has nothing to complain about. ;D
Larry I think you fail to see the quality of my fishing boats. My favorite, The Green Latrine--er-a---I mean The Crappie Queen was deemed "worthless" by the county appraiser so no taxes on it. The Bass Tracker I keep in mothballs because I don't want Ol Sarge to get too comfortable fishing because I would have to take him with me all the time.
And the 10 ft John boat w/ 2 hp motor ?? Let's just say when ol Sarge and me both get in it there aint room left for tackle boxes.
Diane,
The cold beer and cigarettes are both necessities. You ever sit all day in a boat with ol Sarge ? Talk--talk --talk until I want to whack him with the paddle and knock him out of the boat, then see how long he can hold his breath---with me sitting on his head !! Them smokes are what keeps me mellowed out. The beer ? Simple--it keeps me from getting dehydrated.
Sorry, never had the pleasure. If you think beer keeps you hydrated, ya got another think comin', but enjoy it anyway. Now as for the smokes, well enough said. :-X
Okay, I had to look it up. Most beer is anywhere from 95 to 98 percent water. Enough for hydration. It's the tiny bit of alcohol that dehydrates. Simple math shows that you would have to drink a twelve-pack to stay suffeicently hydrated. Right, Jarhead?
Either way, you can have problems with dehydration or simply fall out of the boat and drown. :laugh:
(why am I asking a marine about simple math? Note to self------you're an idiot.)
(Why am I posting in Politics------note to self..............see above.)
Larryj
:-X :-X We had a most beloved preacher here in Moline by the name of Ted Smith. He often preached about the difference between wants and needs, often directing his speech to his good natured wife. Of course not a one of us has ever forgotten these sermons since they did not publicly involve 'us', but each of us knew in his deep down gizzard that we could all do better in the wants and needs department. We lost this dear man to a heart attack following some serious chemotherapy for colon cancer. Everyone misses him still. :'(
Quote from: larryJ on July 22, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
Okay, I had to look it up. Most beer is anywhere from 95 to 98 percent water. Enough for hydration. It's the tiny bit of alcohol that dehydrates. Simple math shows that you would have to drink a twelve-pack to stay suffeicently hydrated. Right, Jarhead?
Either way, you can have problems with dehydration or simply fall out of the boat and drown. :laugh:
(why am I asking a marine about simple math? Note to self------you're an idiot.)
(Why am I posting in Politics------note to self..............see above.)
Larryj
Only a 12 pack Larry ? Piece of cake. Now is that per hour of daily ?
Uh Larry, I hate to nit-pick but Marine is with a capital "M". Army is with an itty bitty "a". Would I lie to you about something like that-------and what the hell you doing in politics ? :D
From another thread.............you invited me, buddy.
Why hell Larry, we need a good "Doc" here probably more often than one is needed elsewhere. Stand by for casualties.
I sincerely apologize for not capitalizing the M in marines. Ooooops! I did it again. Sorry about that.
As far as the beer..............Time and place should not and cannot be of any consequence when imbibing one's favorite liquid refreshments. No person, be he mar...........Marine or Army should be rushed while engaged in this endeavor. To do so is a violation of constitutional rights, i.e., the First Amendment................Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Oh, wait! I mean the Declaration of Independence!
Larryj
Why do I not beleive you are sincere in your apology :D :D :D
Why, Jarhead, I am deeply hurt and saddened that you think my apology was not sincere. But then again, I made that apology after imbibing two glasses of Chateau La Salle while bbbqing dinner last night, so maybe I wasn't thinking straight. BTW, bbqing is "text" for barbecuing. ;D
However, I can't be held totally accountable for my error as the spellchecker did not pick it up. It seems that "Marine" and "marine" are both acceptable. One being a serviceman enlisted in the USMC and the other referring to water related activities. So, I do again apologize for not capitalizing the word "Marine" both for myself and my spellchecker. :angel:
Now I suppose, someone, Diane, Wilma, Catwoman, Judy, etc., will make some comment on this such as, "where are we going with this?" ::) Or. you two guys need some serious help other than a case of beer (taxable).
Or not.
Larryj
Nah! you two go right ahead and Dis!! each other. Least I haven't heard any yelling here in town. Altho if you ask me it is too hot to raise much of a ruckus.
I like and understand both of you.........and so far agree with the both of you...........so guess I will get back to cleaning house.
Getting a little hairy around the edges and I have the fleas at bey. and want to keep them that way. Then I am putting borax around apartment to keep them away the rest of summer, if the dogs and I are lucky.
My vet sent me some stuff that is working. Praise the Lord, they were scratching so much hair was coming off in piles. Kind of like you guys when you roll around in poison ivy when you are out fishing and need to find a tree.
Sorry, been there and would not wish that on anyone.
Have a good Saturday...Oh, Larry would you please send us some pacific water.maybe it could be in rain-form, not booze.
Judy, if I but had it to send. This is Southern California. We have four seasons, fire, mudslides, earthquake and danged beautiful.
Our rainy season runs from around October, November, raining sporadically during December, more consistent in January and February, starting to slack off in March and April, back to sporadic in May and then nothing scheduled from June until October. I think you need to ask sodbuster (David) up north as they do get some moisture most of the year. I sincerely feel for you people back there with the high temps. We have been having a very nice summer with only a few days recently with temps over 100. Stay cool! Stay inside!
Larryj
Quote from Larry:
BTW, bbqing is "text" for barbecuing.
Whoa there Larry---you think Marines don't know anything about cooking ?? You give me a couple cans of Ham & Mutha's, three cans of pimento cheese and a can of crumpled up John Wayne crackers and you my friend would be beating my bunker door down to partake of a fine meal like that. :D
Quote from: larryJ on July 23, 2011, 10:58:51 PM
Judy, if I but had it to send. This is Southern California. We have four seasons, fire, mudslides, earthquake and danged beautiful.
Our rainy season runs from around October, November, raining sporadically during December, more consistent in January and February, starting to slack off in March and April, back to sporadic in May and then nothing scheduled from June until October. I think you need to ask sodbuster (David) up north as they do get some moisture most of the year. I sincerely feel for you people back there with the high temps. We have been having a very nice summer with only a few days recently with temps over 100. Stay cool! Stay inside!
Larryj
Sorry Judy and Larry we have some moisture but it is early morning fog (marine layer). Not only can I not send it your way it is usually gone by the time I get up.
BTW I have to apologize to Jarhead for poking him and taking a dig at his being a Marine. He let it pass but Teresa stuck up for him and he had to say something to look like he did not need a girl to stick up for him. Now I pissed off a Marine and someone who chews through straps or whatever it says on the bottom of her posts. In person I am buying you guys dinner at Toots and me, Sarge, and Jarhead are running trot lines on the river at 4 in the morning.
David
Better put some short hook lines on that puppy.
Why short hooks? What would you be going after?
Catfish...Flatheads...Gar...Carp...Anything that will bite on bait, be hauled in and then filleted!! lol
I'd much rather set a trot line than go noodling, any day...That noodling stuff is (along with being illegal in KS) dangerous.
they had some guys on the news showin the reporter how to go noodlin cause they just made it legal wherever they were at, I missed that part :P, but they were havin a blast. Lots of guys I knew used to noodle :)
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I'd much rather set a trot line than go noodling, any day...That noodling stuff is (along with being illegal in KS) dangerous.
No catwoman, noodling was legalized in 3 Ks. rivers a few years back and just this year they made it legal in ALL Corps of Engineer lakes and Corps owned rivers leading to the lake. You do have to buy a hand fishing license. Have you ever noodled ? It is one of the greatest sports out there. Not sure what the dangers are you speak of. The noodlers I have known in the past are "easier " on the flathead population than fishermen. Catch a big FH on lines and you keep that puppy---a noodler might keep a few to eat but release them more often than not. It's the fun of catching them. I have seen many 50 lb plus FH's caught, admired, then turned loose.
Pam, noodling was legal in Mo. for a couple years in just a few short stretches of certain rivers but it came to a screeching halt. The all knowing higher up's said too many big "breeding size" flatheads were being taken. I have no idea what they meant by 'breeding size" but a 4-5 lb flathead spawns and lays a hell of a lot of eggs
Thanks for this, Jar...The men in my family will be happy to hear this, if they aren't already aware of it, which they more than likely are...It's usually me that's late to the dance! lol I have been tempted to try noodling. It's just knowing that there's far more than just catfish that live up under those cuts under the bank...Losing a finger or two to a snapper, muskrat or beaver, or getting snakebit or caught by a big crawdaddy...None of that sounds like much fun. Now...If I could be guaranteed a 25 lber that wouldn't drag me down the river, screaming my head off...We might be in business! lol
I had not heard the term "noodling" before so I am even slower finding out things than Catwoman. So I read about it and decided I didn't want to do it because:
Noodling can result in superficial cuts and minor wounds to the noodler. This can be reduced by wearing gloves and other protective clothing. Losing fingers is also a risk, whether from the bite or infection. Most holes are deep enough that diving is needed, so there can be a danger of drowning. A person with confident swimming abilities may be caught off guard by the sudden added strain of carrying a large fish to the surface. Spotters can alleviate this danger, but it is still present. A wounded noodler ten to twenty feet underwater might not be able to return safely to the surface, and drown. Clothes may get tangled or snagged on roots or rocks, so some noodlers wear only shorts.
The greatest physical threat posed to noodlers, however, comes from other forms of aquatic life found in catfish holes. Far more dangerous than catfish are alligators, snakes, beavers, muskrats and snapping turtles, who will take over abandoned catfish holes as homes of their own.
When I lived in the mountains of Wyoming as a teenager, we used to fish a lot, but when in a hurry for dinner, a blast from the Winchester usually brought up something to eat from the "sonic" boom!
Larryj
Catwoman,
Why be scared of a snapper ? You feel first with a stick. A catfish is slick and smooth---a snapper is all rough feeling but just remember the points on that snappers shell point towards the back so knowing that you can catch them too. My friend, BLT, that taught me to noodle many years back (mind you, it was in Oklahoma--of coarse ) will catch a snapper and enjoy doing it as much as a big flathead. Now them muskrats and beavers are strict vegetarians so your fingers will be safe. I wouldn't suggest trying to hold one when you feel one but beavers seem to be very docile critters. Many a hole back in the river bank go down where a flathead lives and then goes up where beaver reside. You go into them feet first and if Mr. Beaver decides to exit you scoot to one side and give him free, unmolested passage but by all means DO NOT let Mr. Flathead escape. That is punishable with 50 lashes of sting weed on a bare back.
I aint never seen a crawdaddy so big that they would strike terror in my heart and our snakes are just water snakes. Me being pleasing plump I doubt there is any ol water snake going to try and swallow me whole. Naw, the biggest fear is a big ol male channel cat guarding eggs. You just as well clamp a pair of vice-grips on your finger as mess with one of them puppies.
One of my first noodling trips( again this was in Oklahoma ) I was feeling under rocks with a limber stick---felt something funny feeling---had little bumps all over it and I could push it a little bit side to side---called BLT over to check it out---he felt, then informed me he thought it was an octopus's head---he then gingerly stuck his hand back there to discover a basketball---had a split in it and bottom half was silted in but top half was moving around. So much for an octopus !!!
(http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/waldoegray/gators.jpg)
Larry J is right about those alligators.
These are just some of the guys you might meet if noodlin in Colorado.
Alamosa is the nearest town from where this photo was taken.
Actually, the colony numbers upwards of 400 crocs and alligators living in a year round warm water area.
They are fenced in, though.
Yup, yup, yup...I'll sit on the bank, with my 20 lb. test wafting gently in the current, a cooler full of...Uhm...Well, let's just say the party will be FUN...And enjoy the scenery of a good ol' boy working the other side of the water. Sounds like more than enough excitement for this old woman! lol
Larry,
With all due respect, I think whoever wrote what you read about noodling was written by a desk jockey. Most flatheads spawn in 2-6 feet of water where there is plenty of oxygen in the water. I have a friend in Louisiana that is a hard core noodler ( they call it grappling in La. ) in alligator infested waters. He does not give the gators a second thought. They do use scuba gear and GPS to locate their "honey holes" which is usually an old cast iron bath tub with a hole cut in the end or custom made 'fish houses" his friend in a cement burial vault business makes for him. Even though he uses scuba gear it is only for being able to stay under until the 'job is done" even though the water might only be neck deep. If we had gators or piranha I'm sure Mother Edwards's baby boy would have never of been so foolish as to have ever went noodling !!!
Although old age and tickets and court costs forced me into retirement , if Ek Konnected could get me a $1,000,000 grant I could be brought/ bought out of retirement to do a definitive study of flatheads and their spawning habits.
aw, but cat, why would you want to sit on a big rock, fighting skeeters so big they could stand flat-footed and mate with a turkey, when all the while the flathead you are trying to get to take your bait is in one foot of water UNDER the rock you are sitting on ?
Because it's hard to catch a tan and guzzle the good stuff while up to your neck in river water, that's why! lol Now...If we were discussing being on the side of a bass pond...All it takes to deflect those B52-size mosquitos is a deet count of 25 or higher. I've never had much of a problem with dealing with bugs when fishing...Except for the 6'3" variety that like to lose my lures. Then, I get extremely bugged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BTW I have to apologize to Jarhead for poking him and taking a dig at his being a Marine. He let it pass but Teresa stuck up for him and he had to say something to look like he did not need a girl to stick up for him. Now I pissed off a Marine and someone who chews through straps or whatever it says on the bottom of her posts. In person I am buying you guys dinner at Toots and me, Sarge, and Jarhead are running trot lines on the river at 4 in the morning.
David
No David, I didn't say something because I felt I had to because a girl stuck up for me. I can handle it on my own but Teresa will have my back and I hers. That's what friends do. Do you have any friends except in your wild imagination ?
No, I won't be setting a trot line with you. You have "dug" at me since I first came on the forum and now you want to suck up to me ? Thanks but no thanks. You see sir, I have dealt with people like you before. I see you as someone that thinks they are so much better / smarter than us "Rednecks of Elk county" You think you dazzle us with your brilliance, all the while all you are doing ,in your mind, is playing little mind games with us---which by the way is not working. You just keep thinking you are the puppet master dangling the fine folks of Elk County on a string and making us dance to your whim if that's what it takes to get your rocks off. So Sonny, you go ahead and "play up the Berkeley radical thing---just for fun" .(your words )
If I'm wrong about you, then I'm sorry---but if I'm right, then you are sorry---a sorry POS !!!
Oh yea, good luck on Sarge going fishing with you--and good luck on coming back from the fishing trip if he takes you---but who am I to speak for ol Sarge ? He's a big boy and can speak for himself---just ask him .
Jarhead----Rethink about going on the fishing trip with Sodbuster. I think that we could catch a helluva lot of flatheads with him. All we need is some extra heavy duty string and some larger hooks to put him on. ---MR. KSH
Quote from: jarhead on July 28, 2011, 08:10:47 PM
If I'm wrong about you, then I'm sorry---but if I'm right, then you are sorry---a sorry POS !!!
Oh yea, good luck on Sarge going fishing with you--and good luck on coming back from the fishing trip if he takes you---but who am I to speak for ol Sarge ? He's a big boy and can speak for himself---just ask him .
Trust me your not wrong about him.
Well, let me see....................
Jarhead, that information came straight from Wikipedia where I looked up the term "noodling" and I apologize if it is incorrect.
Sadly, you mentioned your rubber ducky which sparked a very bad memory of when my rubber ducky and I were splashing around in the surf at the beach and it was eaten by a shark. (On second thought.............better him than me.)
Now, I have to spend the rest of the day with the image of Catwoman working on her tan. ::)
Larryj
QuotePam, noodling was legal in Mo. for a couple years in just a few short stretches of certain rivers but it came to a screeching halt. The all knowing higher up's said too many big "breeding size" flatheads were being taken. I have no idea what they meant by 'breeding size" but a 4-5 lb flathead spawns and lays a hell of a lot of eggs
they had a new bill this year but dont know what happened with it....were goin to limit to five fish a season or somethin like that. Think the guys I was watchin on the news were in Texas.
guess I need to see if I can find out if it passed or not..........
Wiki is right about everything else Larry but seeing as I am KKK LLC---that would be Katfish King of Kansas (self anointed ) (just threw in that LLC crap in because it seems like something important ) I think I am the ultimate authority on flathead catfish. Now ol Sarge will probably beg to differ with my assessment but we all know he's a moron.
Oh yea---catwoman is really a morbidly obese, hairy backed, bald headed man but you go right on fantasizing-----------------------------------OK, that's BS but I just wanted to see you shuddering like a coon dog passing a peach pit when you got that visual. :D
Hey! >:( ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 28, 2011, 08:23:01 PM
Jarhead----Rethink about going on the fishing trip with Sodbuster. I think that we could catch a helluva lot of flatheads with him. All we need is some extra heavy duty string and some larger hooks to put him on. ---MR. KSH
Hey KSHB you took my idea. Sarge, Jarhead, KShillbilly, Ross, don't take things so seriously. This is a forum on the internet and when we are talking politics it is a no holds barred Karl Rove, Swift Boat moment. I have said before I will post both sides of an issue just to help flesh out the arguement. Also, I will dig someone that has done it to others themselves. Don't take me, yourself, or this forum seriously. It is just a form of entertainment, debate, arguement, sparring. That is just my point of view. Hey, Sarge and Jarhead you come out to California and I let you guys teach me how to noodle sharks and rays. I don't need to kiss your ass no benefit to me or you. Just posting this because some of you take things very seriously and that is not necessarily the same as others do. Just telling you my approach don't take me or this too seriously.
David :angel:
Just to be serious for one moment. I use Sodbuster a derrogatory term that followed Kansas settlers to the West Coast. Everyone knows of "Okies" the derrogatory term used in the Grapes of Wrath for Oklahomans running from the dust bowl.
The best part of me comes from Kansas and Howard in particular. I know that I am not better than people from Elk Couny and have never said anything that suggests I think that way. A particular person here, maybe. OK back to real life. This is an internet forum it is for fun and entertainment. Don't take yourself or me too seriosly.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on July 29, 2011, 05:07:39 PM
...The best part of me comes from Kansas and Howard in particular..
That door is just too wide not to walk through....
If we find it (your best part), would you like us to return it? ;D
Quote from: Patriot on July 29, 2011, 05:16:50 PM
That door is just too wide not to walk through....
If we find it (your best part), would you like us to return it? ;D
No need Patriot I have it with me all the time. Just don't expect me to use it in the Politics section. ;D
David
And just let me take things to seriously. I will go back and post links to all my posts supporting EK and living there. Most recently I posted on incentives that are offered to move to EK. The response from the people that already live there were less than a good marketing campaign on why to move to EK. OK. All bets off back to ornery Sodbuster. ;D
David
Hey Soddy! don't you dare back down from these "wanna bees" .
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 29, 2011, 09:09:34 PM
Hey Soddy! don't you dare back down from these "wanna bees" .
After burning up in a fire I try to lean more towards me real Sodbuster. Just seems that the ornery EK folks on here, bring out the ornery EK genes in me. Just fun don't take this forum or me seriously. I don't.
David
I really enjoy your thinking.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 29, 2011, 09:31:24 PM
I really enjoy your thinking.
I will say thanks for the compliment. I really enjoy my thinking at the moment I post it and it makes me laugh. It is interesting how people don't get the gist of the statement and twist it to mean something else. I am very familiar with EK schools and I know that the reading comprehension level is higher than we demonstrate on here. Just saying don't take me seriously.
Via con Dios.
Sodbuster
Quote from: jarhead on July 29, 2011, 10:53:30 AM
Oh yea---catwoman is really a morbidly obese, hairy backed, bald headed man
Ahem...Shame on you for spilling the beans. And, I'll have you know that I get my back waxed periodically, ever since a young child tried using it for a bear rug one day at the pool.
So there!
A bear rug ? Never thought of that. I waxed my back and wove it into a Navajo blanket ! :D
LOL ;D :o ;D uh...maybe a TMI moment there...LOL ;D
Thanks, Jarhead! You really know how to ruin a guy's day. All my illusions are now shattered. Now, I have to try not to think about someones hairy back. Especially yours! Besides, I know a Navajo Indian and he assures me that they use a higher quality material to make their rugs. I think he said skunk hair, but I am not sure. And, please, allow me to think of Catwoman as a very nice looking, intelligent, wonderful, warm, and with a great personality, type of person. (Did I cover that okay, Cat?) ;D
Larryj
Bleah! I pictured several on here with snake skin, not hair. I know for sure one has eight legs. ;D Larry, you described Cat perfectly.
I agree with Diane.............all (ok, most) women are beautiful.............somewhere!
some hair I don't mind.........depends on how much, how neat and how pretty; I mean handsome ,the guy is.
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All my illusions are now shattered. Now, I have to try not to think about someones hairy back. Especially yours! Besides, I know a Navajo Indian and he assures me that they use a higher quality material to make their rugs. I think he said skunk hair, but I am not sure
That's cold Larry----it's like you plunged a bayonet into my back !!
Diane, Snakeskin ? You talking to me ? You talking to me ? You must be talking to me because I'm the only one here !!!
Damn , I got to quit watching all them old movies
Only Marines, that's with a capital "M", use bayonets. Real soldiers shoot 'em before they get that close.- ;D
I wouldn't do that to you, pal. We are Bros-in-Arms! ;D
Larryj
Larry, the key word here is 'soldier " Marines are never referred to as soldiers, plus how is a Marine to earn that coveted Purple Heart if he doesn't get up close and personal ---and give the corpsman / medic a chance to do something heroic by coming to their aid? :)
Now I got a ton of okra to pickle so I will give you time to "re-load". :)
Okay, two cups down and reloaded.
You are absolutely correct in that Marines (spelled with a capital "M") are not soldiers. They are..............JARHEADS! Hence, your moniker. I have also heard a few other choice names for Marines, but this is a family forum.
And, the first thing they teach in Medic School (also spelled with a capital "M") is that you are not to get too close to the front line and take the chance of being a casualty yourself. This would leave the rest of the squad without medical help. It is up to the front line troops to pull the wounded back to the Medic for treatment. Forget about those old movies that show the Medics running up to the front line. Ain't gonna happen. If you get wounded and I go help you and I get shot, we both get Purple Hearts and a trip home. And then they have to go without a Medic until they can find another one. BTW, the difference between a Purple Heart and a Medal of Honor.............you are, hopefully, able to stand up when they decorate you.
Larryj
Quote from: larryJ on July 31, 2011, 09:35:36 AM
I have also heard a few other choice names for Marines, but this is a family forum.
There you go again Larry---hitting below the belt. :D
I'm sure what you say about Medics and Corpsmen not getting in the position to get WIA or KIA is probably what is taught and makes the most sense but nine out of ten times when the SHTF the first thing hollered is, "Corpsman or corpsman up" and the Doc responded without hesitation---and that was without exception, except for one time that happened in my experience. I have always said if anyone got the shaft when it came to being awarded for bravery, it was the Corpsmen . When they ran ,under fire, to render aid, "they were just doing their job" My hat is off to all "Doc's ".
Okay, it's getting past my bedtime, but rattle that old brain of yours and try to remember if there was live fire at the exact instant some trooper yelled "Medic!" (that's what we call them in the Army). Generally, if someone hollers "Medic", the shooting has stopped or slowed allowing the dude to get up there to help. If there is still live fire, everybody is going to have their heads and butts buried in the mud, hoping somebody won't be hollering "Medic" for them.
I do agree that Medics and Corpsmen deserve more praise than they get. The guy that says, "Just doing my job" is a great guy and is being truthful. But that the way it is/was. Not only medics, but every other guy out there.............they were all "just doing their job."
Larryj
Clap.clap,clap. I just sent you a hug. :-*
No Larry, I have witnessed a Doc get "the call' more than once,in the opening seconds of a firefight, when all lean ,mean fighting Marines were "momentarily pinned down", but yet Doc jumps up, which seemed to be instant suicide, but yet "Doc" jumped up and runs, crawls and scrambles to give aid to one of "his boys "
Wait a minute! That's an oxymoron..............lean, mean, fighting Marines.............momentarily pinned down............
How can you be fighting if you are pinned down? Anywho..............I truly respect any Medic that would go forward under fire to help someone. I didn't say it didn't happen, just that it is not usually the case. Most casualties are carried back to a triage area where they can be evaluated, as in, patch 'em up and send 'em back or give 'em a ticket (on an aeroplane, ain't got time for a fast train) whoops! Sorry got carried away there for a minute. Anyway, give 'em a ticket home for further treatment. I am just saying that we were trained not to expose ourselves any more than necessary in order to be able to help all, not just one, who need help.
Unless, of course, if it wuz you, Jarhead, or maybe even Sarge, I would charge right up there and fix you up in a hurry.
Maybe
Larryj
Larry,
I'm sure that's what you were taught in training but we were taught in training if we ran into an ambush we were to assault immediately---I refer you back to my statement of "momentarily being pinned down " ---so much for that training. :)
I can only speak of my own experience but when you are on a jungle trail, and get ambushed, there is no place to drag any casualties anywhere that is not any less "hot' than another spot. Then the triage area is where the WIA laid and the Doc treats them.
Platoon commander, Corpsman, radiomen, gunner and blooperman all were supposed to carry a .45 pistol. More than one of our Doc's carried a M-16 so they wouldn't stand out. Being a radioman (OJT) I always walked behind the plt comm, or Plt Sgt or squad leader, whoever the leader was and the NVA knew this so 9 out of 10 times the Corpsman was behind me but never in front of me. My beloved Plt. comm. carried a M-16 too and except for my first patrol as a radioman, I did too. I tried to blend in but hard to do with that heavy arse PRC-25 on my back and a tape antenna sticking up.
No maybe's about if you would come to my aid Larry---you would have been right behind me most times and plus--where would you be any safer than right there with Chesty Puller Jr. ;D
As for ol Sarge ? Treat Shep, his dog first, because a good sentry dog is more important than a handler. :angel:
That's true about the dog, Jarhead. One of the toughest jobs I had to do was stitch up a 5 inch tear in the back of the guard dog who had been in a fight with another dog. I was the onsite Medic on the missile site when it happened and I had to stitch him up. Medics don't carry "morphine" for animals so he and I had to suffer together. It took three other guys to hold the dog while I stitched. Must have been okay cuz he lived, but he would never go near me again and I tried to be gentle. He did, later on, catch a North Korean spy on the missile site and mauled him pretty good. True story.
But as for Sarge, I would not neglect him anymore than I would you, no matter how you feel about him!
Larryj
Larry, Truth is ol Sarge, I consider to be my best friend----and cousin-BUT--if you tell him I said that---OR --he reads it I will swear that Teresa is using her computer skills and hacked my 'puter' and posting falsehoods using my good name.
Would "people morphine' work on a dog? Suppose it would be hard to know how much to use. We carried a tiny tube of morphine in the same cargo pocket of our jungle "utes" as we kept our personal battle dressing. It was like a tiny tube of toothpaste--remove the cap and a tiny needle was exposed. I was such a hayseed I didn't even know the" powers" of morphine. Funny we are talking of this stuff Larry, how things I had forgot come back. In the right cargo pocket was an inner pocket. That is where you kept that tube of morphine and at least one battle dressing. Carried more dressing to use on people or for Doc if he needed them but that one was for yourself and nobody else in an emergency--or so we were taught. I kept my battle dressing as a souvenir--still wrapped--thankfully. My John Kerry wounds could have been covered with band aids but looked more impressive with a great big ol battle dressing wrapped around my arm----and No, I don't have a PH. :)