Besides the regular posters, questioners, defenders, deflectors & detractors, a large number of people seem to be watching threads related to the government relationships, ownership, background, & methods of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Over 10,000 views of information related to one subject... in only 48 days! More than 200 per day. Interesting. Maybe you could call your commissioner and ask the unanswered questions. http://ks-elk.manatron.com/ElectedOffices/Commissioners/tabid/3526/Default.aspx
(http://ks-elk.manatron.com/ElectedOffices/Commissioners/tabid/3526/Default.aspx)
Since government seems to be involved, don't you, as citizens, taxpayers & voters, have a right to inquire.... and a right to honest, verifiable answers? As some have said, there may be nothing to this at all... but that evidence needs to come from the horse's mouth, doesn't it?
Who could be watching? Idle curiosity or real public interest in truth & facts? Where are the answers?
Stay connected citizens! It's your government and your money.
Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25 Views: 8795
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Let's Stop Being Manipulated!.... Views: 564
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The number of views can be attributed to the controversial posts, not to the information supposedly contained in them. People love controversy. The more controversy, the more they are going to click in to see who is dissing who. You can't judge the quality of a thread by the number of viewers it has had. Not even the interest in the subject, just the insatiable desire for conflict. The thread doesn't even have to have merit to attract a certain type of viewer and since the viewers cannot be identified, who knows what their interest is. And how many of them are laughing?
Quote from: Wilma on June 12, 2011, 03:48:38 PM
The number of views can be attributed to the controversial posts, not to the information supposedly contained in them. People love controversy. The more controversy, the more they are going to click in to see who is dissing who. You can't judge the quality of a thread by the number of viewers it has had. Not even the interest in the subject, just the insatiable desire for conflict. The thread doesn't even have to have merit to attract a certain type of viewer and since the viewers cannot be identified, who knows what their interest is. And how many of them are laughing?
Ya know, if I was a real cynic, I would compare that response to a common deflection used by the 'kill the negative & stay positive' message of a professionally trained facilitator/community organizer.
Instead, I'll just ask...
Quote from: Wilma on June 12, 2011, 03:48:38 PM
And how many of them are laughing?
And how many are not?
All right, I challenge you, all of you Elk Countians who are reading this and not laughing, to join the forum and state your opinion. It seems strange to me that two people who have lived in Elk County hardly long enough to vote can come on here try to tell the true Elk Countians that they are being hoodwinked by their own children.
They LIVE here, regardless of how LONG. AND they are paying taxes here, regardless as to how much. And the last time I checked this is STILL a FREE country and they can discuss exactly WHAT they are DISCUSSING here and ASK QUESTIONS of anyone they deem necessary to ask those questions to! We would like to personally thank you for keeping this topic ongoing. You are a true Patriot. Without you this thread would have probably died a long time ago! Thank you, thank you, thank you!--By the way, WE aren't laughing!
Quote from: Wilma on June 12, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
It seems strange to me that two people who have lived in Elk County hardly long enough to vote can come on here try to tell the true Elk Countians that they are being hoodwinked by their own children.
First, I've been here long enough to buy beer and drive, too. So get over it.
Second, it wouldn't be the first time kids hoodwinked, or for that matter, lied to or stole from their parents & other elders. Read a newspaper from the real world sometime... you might be shocked.
By the way, what is the legal definition of a 'true' Elk Countian? Or is that another
unauthorized question that's been answered a dozen times elsewhere on the forum?
Quote from: Wilma on June 12, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
All right, I challenge you, all of you Elk Countians who are reading this and not laughing, to join the forum and state your opinion. It seems strange to me that two people who have lived in Elk County hardly long enough to vote can come on here try to tell the true Elk Countians that they are being hoodwinked by their own children.
I think the only thing you will accomplish is calling out of the sheeple of Elk Konnected. The ones Elk Konnected call followers. But they call themselves volunteers. So that would not prove a thing.
Adn to back that up I just had a conversation with one that claims she has stayed off the forum for tnd thosehe last 1-2 years. She apparently came back at the request of the IMO registered members of Elk Konnected as a diversion.
And my guess would be those that are watching will act on their own goodtime, if and when they have a desire to do so. Perhaps at election time.
Quote from: Wilma on June 12, 2011, 03:48:38 PM
The number of views can be attributed to the controversial posts, not to the information supposedly contained in them. People love controversy. The more controversy, the more they are going to click in to see who is dissing who. You can't judge the quality of a thread by the number of viewers it has had. Not even the interest in the subject, just the insatiable desire for conflict. The thread doesn't even have to have merit to attract a certain type of viewer and since the viewers cannot be identified, who knows what their interest is. And how many of them are laughing?
Controversial is exactly right. News media uses it daily. Elk Konnected is very controversial as long as they remain a secret organization that asks for tax payers dollars and then openly denies it. An organization that has used County Government resoursces as their own until called on the carpet. And as long as they show a desire to do away with city governments in Elk County for a centrally located Unified Government. And we know Centrally located means just like the Centrally located School in Howard.
And all the deflections thrown at legitimate questions only feeds the controversy. Especially when
so called leaders of the community and highly respected citizens throw around
bull shit. Pardon the french, but that is exactly what is being thrown around.
Where are the new members defending this thread? Same ol', same ol'.
Quote from: Wilma on June 12, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
All right, I challenge you, all of you Elk Countians who are reading this and not laughing, to join the forum and state your opinion. It seems strange to me that two people who have lived in Elk County hardly long enough to vote can come on here try to tell the true Elk Countians that they are being hoodwinked by their own children.
The same ol', same ol' comment can be used both ways. It's the same ol' people standing up for people and it's the same ol' people tearing them down! You didn't say it had to be NEW members to defend this thread. You said ELK COUNTIANS. Last time I checked I've been an Elk Countian for 10 years. I didn't know there was an "age" requirement to defend people and their right to comment on certain things as they see fit. Yes, I see that you put "join the forum and state your opinion," but there are plenty of forum members here that haven't spoken that feel the same way that Patriot and Ross feel. People I see at the gas station or grocery store or get messages from that say things like, "Boy that Patriot is really onto something" or "Ross shouldn't have to take that kind of abuse just because he's asking questions." Some people that don't feel that they really know enough on this subject to comment publicly but have heard and read enough to believe that there is something to all of this. People that see how Ross and Patriot are demonized and made out to be the villains in this whole "conversation." I have read all of this and it was stated in the beginning that EK would make full use of this forum to keep people abreast of all situations. No new posts for several months from EK tells me (and quite a few others) that that was a fabrication. I only still speak out because I choose to speak my mind on things and people know that about me. Maybe that makes me a demon and villain too...but at least I have the guts to do it...--Jennifer Walker
OK, where are the members who haven't posted? Do you wonder why they won't speak their piece where it becomes public property? Are they saying what they think you want to hear? Do they say something else to someone else?
Do you wonder why it is only a few that think there is something going on even when no proof has been presented? Give me dates, amounts, names.
I am not laughing. I am a resident,I pay huge taxes just to drive my 2009 Dodge (second highest in the state) , I pay thousands of dollars in taxes on my ranch and home, I vote every time the polls open, and I have 2" rock on my road .
I am not laughing at all . If there is something illegal going on then I say prosecute, if there is a conflict of interest with The County and EK LLC then make a complaint with the state association of county commissioners, or resolve the conflict at a county commission meeting for the record, and enter it into the paper of record for all to see.
Must say this thread has been very interesting though.
Put me in the "I'm not laughing crowd". Since when did it be required to see who "wins" by who has the most cheer leaders. I for one pretty much stay away from posting on this thread because like most things it's beyond my pay grade--but that sure doesn't mean that I'm not interested in seeing answers to the questions asked. When that happens Ross and Patriot will tuck their tails and fade into the sunset while AC/DC pounds his chest and does his Tarzan yell-----------------or maybe, just maybe , people will be saying "that Ross & Patriot WERE on to something and we thank them for bringing it to light " I think in time we will know which side is laughing and who's crying.
Quote from: Humpy on June 13, 2011, 09:10:48 AM
I am not laughing. I am a resident,I pay huge taxes just to drive my 2009 Dodge (second highest in the state) , I pay thousands of dollars in taxes on my ranch and home, I vote every time the polls open, and I have 2" rock on my road .
I am not laughing at all . If there is something illegal going on then I say prosecute, if there is a conflict of interest with The County and EK LLC then make a complaint with the state association of county commissioners, or resolve the conflict at a county commission meeting for the record, and enter it into the paper of record for all to see.
Must say this thread has been very interesting though.
Thank you, Humpy. I agree, formal action and or legal action could be options. But in the interest of fairness, I believe in a good general airing and fair opportunity for clarification of perceived differences before resorting to the formerly mentioned methods. Of course, if only one side of an issue wants to deal with facts and the other with feelings, then, your right, eventually the less flexible means of fact finding and clarification sometimes become unavoidable.
Please stay connected.
Quote from: jarhead on June 13, 2011, 09:29:09 AM
Put me in the "I'm not laughing crowd". Since when did it be required to see who "wins" by who has the most cheer leaders. I for one pretty much stay away from posting on this thread because like most things it's beyond my pay grade--but that sure doesn't mean that I'm not interested in seeing answers to the questions asked. When that happens Ross and Patriot will tuck their tails and fade into the sunset while AC/DC pounds his chest and does his Tarzan yell-----------------or maybe, just maybe , people will be saying "that Ross & Patriot WERE on to something and we thank them for bringing it to light " I think in time we will know which side is laughing and who's crying.
Thank you, jarhead. Well said!
Though 'win or lose', I will never cry (or tuck my tail) over having asked questions that deserve honest public answers. After all, government is still
'We the People' in this country. And
'We the People' have every right to know the facts.
One such question is: Just how much influence does, or should, a privately owned company have over government resources, government employee actions and taxpayer dollars?
Take it to the proper authorities. What don't you understand about that?
Quote from: Wilma on June 13, 2011, 10:10:58 AM
Take it to the proper authorities. What don't you understand about that?
Given the way you rant elsewhere about 'true Elk Countians', I thought you were the proper authoritarian authority... But, seriously, not just yet.
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Quote from: jarhead on June 13, 2011, 09:29:09 AM
Put me in the "I'm not laughing crowd". Since when did it be required to see who "wins" by who has the most cheer leaders. I for one pretty much stay away from posting on this thread because like most things it's beyond my pay grade--but that sure doesn't mean that I'm not interested in seeing answers to the questions asked. When that happens Ross and Patriot will tuck their tails and fade into the sunset while AC/DC pounds his chest and does his Tarzan yell-----------------or maybe, just maybe , people will be saying "that Ross & Patriot WERE on to something and we thank them for bringing it to light " I think in time we will know which side is laughing and who's crying.
To me it is nat a matter of win or lose, it a mateer of awareness.
However, if I lose as you put it, I will not cry, but I will laugh at myself. But remain proud of myself for being a concerned citizen that did not keep his head buried in the sand like an ostrich.
The answers to the questions you ask could be found very easily by a private investigator. But you don't want the answers, do you?
Now Ross, you know that those poor ostriches (osterichi ?) Don't really do that! ;)
Wilma I think that $60.00 to $100.00 per hour is more than anybody wants to pay a PI to answer these questions .
It is fairly obvious who owns the LLC . it is just a matter of principal to question who they are until they step up and admit publicly who ouns it . I find it hard to figure why they don't . Conflict of interest is the only reason I can think of.
My "who gives a rats rear end" is pretty low ,unless there is an illegal act committed .
Quote from: Humpy on June 13, 2011, 01:08:07 PM
My "who gives a rats rear end" is pretty low ,unless there is an illegal act committed .
Amen!
So if it is obvious who owns the LLC, why don't you just name them? Why all the fol-de-rol of calling them out? Afraid of being wrong?
Patriot ,since you are a correct spelling spree,can you please correct the title of this thread... Who's watching, not whose. ;)
Hmmmmmm...Pat, you can send me that Braum's certificate now... ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 13, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
Now Ross, you know that those poor ostriches (osterichi ?) Don't really do that! ;)
Yes, Diane I was using it as a figure of speech. It is actually a myth. When an Ostrich gets scared if it cant run it will lay down and stretch it head and neck out flat on the ground. And because of the color of the neck and head it blends in well with the sand and appears to dissapear.
It is actually an interesting bird. Runs pretty fast too.
but that just doesn't clear the air about who the real Elk Konnected registered members are.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 13, 2011, 08:43:17 PM
Patriot ,since you are a correct spelling spree,can you please correct the title of this thread... Who's watching, not whose. ;)
Good one Diane.
That's terrible, LOL
Ifin youcin red thie is yure brane workin write ot right. LOL
Ross, I know it doesn't, but I couldn't waste a chance to have some fun. :laugh: :angel: I'm sure I'll get nailed by Patriot for mentioning that "whoops" but..... ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 13, 2011, 08:43:17 PM
Patriot ,since you are a correct spelling spree,can you please correct the title of this thread... Who's watching, not whose. ;)
Consider it done, Diane. You're quite correct. Thank you. Unfortunately, the replies I can't correct.
Can you move your comma, "Patriot ,since", to the left? And change "spree,can" to "spree, can". LOL
Quote from: Wilma on June 13, 2011, 06:22:39 PM
So if it is obvious who owns the LLC, why don't you just name them? Why all the fol-de-rol of calling them out? Afraid of being wrong?
It is not that I am afraid to be wrong. The questions of debate ,should be confirmed by the LLC not by reasonable conjecture on my part.
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Momma, They really don't need a private investigator when all they have to do is call the Kansas Attorney General's Office and complain.
I already said this on another post, but, want to say it on here just in case you all have missed it. Thank you for keeping my elderly mother's mind active by debating with her on this topic of Elk Konnected, LLC., and our county government officials. Keeping her thinking is very important to me and I love it that so many of you are helping her do that with all your comments and things that you have said about her.
Your momma is a peach, Janet... :D...She's one sharp cookie! I love talking with her. :) :)