Could redcliffsw be right about the community conversation?
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11957.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11957.0.html)
No, he isn't. I am not a member of Elk Konnect. I am a person of my own beliefs and state what I want when I want. I do hold my tongue on things, cause for one thing I tend to get a little lippy sometimes!!! But I have attended a community conversionation. I wasn't told what to think or say. I stated what I felt was on my mind, put out suggestions, and listened with an open mind. A good leader does go into a meeting with notes on what should happen. They are there to assist the group, that is it. If the group goes in the totally wrong direction it is the leaders place to get it on track. I have no experiance with leading adult groups only kids. But I feel that for me being a leader for 4-H is to promote 4-H to the youth, make each individual feel welcome, but the group of kids need to make the decisions about what the club does and doesn't do, especially with the money that they earn. It's my place as a leader to make sure that they do do a few things, but for the most part the group decides for themselves what happens and when.
I never in anyway felt that Elk Konnect forced me to believe one way or another. I actually take offense to the remarks that you have made in other threads that people are made to follow them. As I am NOT a member, I am not a talking person for the group either. I just know friends that are members and I feel that the group is getting put down for no reason at all!!! >:(
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 31, 2011, 08:31:20 AM
No, he isn't. I am not a member of Elk Konnect. I am a person of my own beliefs and state what I want when I want. I do hold my tongue on things, cause for one thing I tend to get a little lippy sometimes!!! But I have attended a community conversionation. I wasn't told what to think or say. I stated what I felt was on my mind, put out suggestions, and listened with an open mind. A good leader does go into a meeting with notes on what should happen. They are there to assist the group, that is it. If the group goes in the totally wrong direction it is the leaders place to get it on track. I have no experiance with leading adult groups only kids. But I feel that for me being a leader for 4-H is to promote 4-H to the youth, make each individual feel welcome, but the group of kids need to make the decisions about what the club does and doesn't do, especially with the money that they earn. It's my place as a leader to make sure that they do do a few things, but for the most part the group decides for themselves what happens and when.
I never in anyway felt that Elk Konnect forced me to believe one way or another. I actually take offense to the remarks that you have made in other threads that people are made to follow them. As I am NOT a member, I am not a talking person for the group either. I just know friends that are members and I feel that the group is getting put down for no reason at all!!! >:(
IF it quacks like a duck..... This group is manipulative. Why else will they not answer vaild questions in a meeting or even when asked on a forum that they read.
Because they are smart enough to not subject themselves to the whatever some of you guys have going on. A person can't make any kind of a remark anymore without it being torn apart. Do you call that an exchange of ideas? You have to keep your mouth shut to learn. Did you ever notice that when your mouth is open your ears are closed?
Because anyone out there in this world can claim to be anyone!! Don't you work with computers??? Have you never heard the term hacked!! I wouldn't respond to your question, even if I wanted to on here. It just isn't right!! Yes, this is a public forum. But when the school news comes out the teachers and employees of the school don't respond to the questions and things on here. Just isn't the place. It's a discussion forum, not you ask all the question and receive the answers!!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 31, 2011, 02:49:48 PM
Because anyone out there in this world can claim to be anyone!! Don't you work with computers??? Have you never heard the term hacked!! I wouldn't respond to your question, even if I wanted to on here. It just isn't right!! Yes, this is a public forum. But when the school news comes out the teachers and employees of the school don't respond to the questions and things on here. Just isn't the place. It's a discussion forum, not you ask all the question and receive the answers!!!
Hacked??? What has that got to do with answering a question? You can't hack a question. Secondly, i doubt seriously that This board will get hacked. I know mine is not hackable. :D I designed it. :
The only reason they do not answer it on a forum is that it is put in writing. They are afraid to put anything in writing.
Or perhaps the real reason is they are tired of having their words twisted into something other than what they meant.
Right on there. It is not a conversation or exchange of ideas. Just an opportunity to rearrange some else's post.
That's OK, one isn't answering my questions either, just criticising my word choices. That's still called deflection and some people are very good at it. Next time, and I hope there isn't one, I may have to string out every synonym I can think of so at least one noun has to be correct. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: jprxmkt on June 03, 2011, 12:37:08 PM
Or perhaps the real reason is they are tired of having their words twisted into something other than what they meant.
Tired? Whose tired? The seemingly hidden owners of a privately held company or the volunteers who do their public bidding? Or are they really one and the same. Clarification is lacking. I would prefer to see the private company
owners stand up and address whatever is being 'twisted'. Words from the horse's front end would be most helpful. Open public discourse provides the sunshine needed to see clearly...Silence connotes consent.
Too often 'spokespersons' do all the 'explaining' in America. Soundbites from subordinates. From corporate to politic, the people in charge too often send underlings out to 'tell their story', while those who should be accountable hide in the shadows, unwilling to answer openly & personally. Whatever happened to open debate between the public and the powerful?
Would you mind naming the private company once again? I can't seem to keep it straight just who you are talking about. It does have a name, doesn't it?
Quote from: Wilma on June 04, 2011, 12:35:42 PM
Would you mind naming the private company once again? I can't seem to keep it straight just who you are talking about. It does have a name, doesn't it?
I believe your answer is in reply #38 on the following page...
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.30.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.30.html)
But then you already knew that, didn't you?
Oh, that. I thought that had been explained to you a long time ago. A private company and you are questioning their--what? You are demanding that a private company answer your questions in public? What gives you the right to demand answers from or about a private company?
Quote from: Wilma on June 05, 2011, 12:16:45 PM
Oh, that. I thought that had been explained to you a long time ago. A private company and you are questioning their--what? You are demanding that a private company answer your questions in public? What gives you the right to demand answers from or about a private company?
Demanding? No. Requesting. Yes. Primarily regarding their use of taxpayer resources and any relationships with government. And the demonizing tactics aren't going to deter anything, Wilma.
On a related note, has anyone noticed that conservatives and conservative leaning citizens no longer seem to quickly cave at the endless attempts made by progressive liberals to attack their motives or malign their character? Eventually truth and real transparency become more important in the overall picture than the need to avoid petty criticism.
I've noticed that.
Quote from: Wilma on June 05, 2011, 12:16:45 PM
Oh, that. I thought that had been explained to you a long time ago. A private company and you are questioning their--what? You are demanding that a private company answer your questions in public? What gives you the right to demand answers from or about a private company?
The fact that they accept tax money requires them to disclose such receipts
What tax money? When? How much?
Quote from: srkruzich on June 06, 2011, 08:04:22 AM
The fact that they accept tax money requires them to disclose such receipts
And wouldn't it be nice if the taxpayers could see that published voluntarily?
Quote from: Wilma on June 06, 2011, 08:40:46 AM
What tax money? When? How much?
Money received from the county, the city councils in Longton, Elk Falls, Moline, Grenola, Howard, Sevrey and grant money from the state. Are you saying they haven't asked for or received any money from those sources? Come on... you may have been born at night, but surely not
last night. Voluntary publication by the recipients of when and how much would be a good start at honest, above board transparency.
So you don't really know of any tax money that has been disbursed? If you did, you could list it here.
Quote from: Wilma on June 06, 2011, 10:12:25 AM
So you don't really know of any tax money that has been disbursed? If you did, you could list it here.
That's the job of EK. Its called transparency and ethical reporting.
You know, if the farmers and ranchers around here have to report the government welfare they received, then why doesn't EK have to report it? Apparantly they have recieved it in the form of grants, and according to some on here, use of taxpayer funds to buy baseballs. It should be reported in a public document.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 06, 2011, 11:36:39 AM
You know, if the farmers and ranchers around here have to report the government welfare they received, then why doesn't EK have to report it? Apparantly they have recieved it in the form of grants, and according to some on here, use of taxpayer funds to buy baseballs. It should be reported in a public document.
The farmers do not report the subsidies they receive from the government, or at least they can choose to, they are NOT required to. The federal government reports the subsidies received. That is available online. Perhaps you should require the county/cities to report that publicly.... although from what I've read they do so through the minutes which does satisfy the legal requirement. If you wanted them to report in a single document, then you should push the authorizing agency (whether county/city/state) to publish it as such.
Thats another good point. WHY isn't the county publishing the minutes on their website? That would be transparancy.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 06, 2011, 12:05:30 PM
Thats another good point. WHY isn't the county publishing the minutes on their website? That would be transparancy.
Outstanding idea. That info could be placed in the section reserved for the County Clerk since that office is responsible for (among other things) preparing payroll and accounts payable checks and records, preparing Financial reports and recording and publishing minutes of the county commissioners' meeting.
Heck, a page showing all county debt as well as monthly county expenditures would really help give all taxpayers a better picture of how our money is being handled.
Do you mean like an Annual Report? Isn't that published in the newspaper already?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 06, 2011, 12:40:07 PM
Do you mean like an Annual Report? Isn't that published in the newspaper already?
No, I mean like a monthly pdf scan of an expenditure spreadsheet. I realize the paper is important, but since the taxpayers are buying a nice new website, it could surely be put to more expanded and informative use. The paper is a nice weekly thing... the government website is there 24/7, and can be updated in a much more timely way.
The minutes of the meetings of the Elk County Commissioners is published in the paper as soon as they are approved. All monies that are approved during those minutes are reported in those minutes. All you have to do is read the minutes when they come out. Or go to the courthouse and ask to read them there. We have a very nice County Clerk department. At least I am received with open arms any time I am in the courthouse. Is there anything else required by law?
Quote from: Wilma on June 06, 2011, 01:17:14 PM
The minutes of the meetings of the Elk County Commissioners is published in the paper as soon as they are approved. All monies that are approved during those minutes are reported in those minutes. All you have to do is read the minutes when they come out. Or go to the courthouse and ask to read them there. We have a very nice County Clerk department. At least I am received with open arms any time I am in the courthouse. Is there anything else required by law?
Is there some problem with Elk County government taking a tiny step into the 21st century? It's not like I'm suggesting a video of the commission meetings be posted on the internet for heavens sake. Since the taxpayers are already buying a website, why not make full use of it? And to think, you and yours say I'm regressive and don't support community advancement. hmmmph!
Then why can't you take one tiny step and make yourself acquainted with Elk County employees by visiting the courthouse and making your requests. They are quite friendly up there. At least to people that come in with reasonable requests and business. Of course if you prefer to sit out there in the far eastern part of the county and blame Howard for everything, be my guest.
Patriot, go back and reread your #27...good Freudian slip there. Yuk, yuk. 8)
As long as we are on the subject of publishing meeting minutes, I think ALL cities who have council meetings should publish them in the newspaper. That way people would know what is going on. Here in Longton, they print them on a page you can get around town called the City Scene or something to that effect, but I don't know actually how many people read them. I say just publish them in the paper as well. People know I go to council meetings so they usually ask me questions about it but my answer to that is also that people should be more aware of what is going on for themselves and attend the meetings with me! I also think the same should go for school board meetings.---Jennifer
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 06, 2011, 02:01:02 PM
Patriot, go back and reread your #27...good Freudian slip there. Yuk, yuk. 8)
I'm not sure Freudian would be correct, but you're right... it was insightful! Mired would have been on my mind at the time. ;D
Thanks for pointing it out.
Now, about those timely updates! LOL
Quote from: Wilma on June 06, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
...blame Howard for everything...
I've not blamed Howard for anything. Nice little village, actually. But then, so are Elk Falls, Longton, Moline and Grenola. Each in their unique way.
QuoteI think ALL cities who have council meetings should publish them
Ours gets printed by a computer and is sent with the water bill. How hard would that be?
Except we are talking about COUNTY expenditures? Mandatory quarterly postings in Official Newspaper.
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There is a publishing of finances. There was one very recently, not too many weeks ago. Also, our city council meeting minutes are published. Rudy's paper is a very good place to find out what is going on, but alas, there are people responsible for submitting the articles to the newspaper and they might be a tad slow in getting them there.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 06, 2011, 05:00:24 PM
Ours gets printed by a computer and is sent with the water bill. How hard would that be?
Except we are talking about COUNTY expenditures? Mandatory quarterly postings in Official Newspaper.
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Our water bill is a postcard; I assume it is done that way to save money on postage. I guess they could mail it each month when they mail us the notice that we have failed to meet water standards.
Who's been watching?
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,12040.msg164530.html#new (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,12040.msg164530.html#new)
I believe that The Prairie Star prints the minutes to city meetings. I have read them from every city in our county. You realize I am sure that some cities only meet once a month. Anyway, minutes are printed in the newspaper. Rudy can only print what he gets.