I haven't verified this info, (it was found in 'webworld') but if it's even 1/2 accurate (and if the economic rules of supply and demand are valid), anybody that uses petroleum products (gas, oil, grease, synthetic fabrics, plastics, many medicines, etc.) otta be really pissed off.....
The United States has plenty of oil within US borders. We don't have to rely on foreign oil anymore! It is just a matter of drilling and getting the oil out. The oil is there! Remember the song...."America, America God shed his grace on thee"? It is true! God provided this country with more than enough oil for generations to come.
Did you know...
* There is a massive 200 billion barrel oil field located in North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana. And it even gets better! Because of new horizontal drilling technology, it is estimated that this huge field may even produce up to 500 billion barrels of oil! The Saudi's are estimated to have only 260 billion barrels of oil, clearly putting America in the cat bird seat!
* But the good news does not stop there! Alaska is just waiting to drill for oil. In fact the governor of Alaska is suing the government for failing to drill for oil. Alaskan oil fields are massive. At Gull Island, Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, there is enough oil and natural gas to keep America going for the next 200 years! Yes, for the next 200 years!
* There is even better news! The US Outer Continental Shelf has 112 billion barrels of oil, not to mention a whopping 656 TRILLION cubic feet of natural gas! WHY are people struggling to pay winter heating bills when we have natural resources like this?
* Oil shale is abundant in the US. In fact, half of all the earth's oil shale deposits are located within 150 miles of Grand Junction, Colorado! Shell Oil is working on new technology which will make oil shale extraction financially feasible. They plan to open a shale oil plant in 2010. It will provide a piece of the puzzle toward energy independence for the United States.
* Then of course, just about everyone knows that the United States is the Saudi Arabia of coal. With 275 billon tons of coal! We have more coal than just about any other place in the world. Enough coal for American needs for the next 250 years! Once again, new technology is underway to make coal burning safe for our environment.
So there we have it! It is time for the US to get serious about energy independence and drill for oil. The environmentalists should move to China and India where pollution is really is out of control. With the new technology used in the oil fields of today, the impact on the environment is there but it is controlled. With environmental controls oil fields can be environmentally safe.
When it comes to the environment we need to understand that as long as there are billions of people living on this planet, there will to be a negative impact on the environment. That is just the way it is unless billions of people die, and even then environmentalists would complain about rotting corpses creating a problem for the environment. There is simply no way around problems with the environment when you have billons of people to contend with. The human race needs to protect this planet, yet we have to live too. Living without energy is not an option. Until we have plentiful, green energy we will have to rely on the oil based solutions of old. It will take time to convert to green energy and that quest is just as important as drilling for oil is now. We can't let the ball drop in either arena.
Obviously we should have been exploring our oil supplies 10 years ago. Now it will take at least 2 years before oil and then gas will come back down to a livable price for most Americans. 80% of all Americans claim climbing gas prices are affecting their lives in a very negative way.
One of the other concerns that is being worked on is the problem with water pollution from waste water and the extraction processes. One of the huge natural gas fields in nearby PA, is struggling with that right now. The steam fracturing process that releases the trapped gas creates a lot of polluted water that they have to do something with. They are working on it as fast as they can but they can't afford to permanently ruin deep aquifers in the meantime.
I think the easiest and best response to this is at:http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp
Quote from: frawin on March 05, 2011, 07:19:05 AM
I think the easiest and best response to this is at:http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp
Frank, Over the past few years, I've learned to take snopes and truthout, and truthorfiction sites with a grain of salt. They all have been found to manipulate the data for their own end means. Quite frankly I have to agree having worked in Paradise Colorado that the shale oil is as large as they claim it to be. And it was shut down back in the 80's due to the fact the tech wasn't there to produce it and the eco groups have been a massive pain in the ass of this country in getting at that reserve.
They cite costs going to be too much to retrieve it. But they refuse to entertain the truth that if they build a reactor there it would produce the heat and power necessary to extract that oil. Cost of a reactor? shoot less than 10% of a years profit, and they could hook the reactor on the grid and sell off the electric produced too. it is nothing but a win/win proposition.
What needs to be done IMO is to develop a means to use the water necessary to extract that oil, and clean the water. I know a friend of mine who runs barges up and down the mississippi and he does reclamation of oil spills and gasoline spills. They do it and the output of the water that is collected is clean enough to drink once it is separated. So we know it can be done.
Steve, I have worked for 15 years with an operator that is now drilling in Bakken field. He has leased a lot of acreage and they have done lots of research. In addition there has been lots of research by the government and other Geological groups. Basically all of that research agrees with what Snopes says. I just used Snopes because it had a condensed version of what the facts are. Steve if one did research on the world oil reserves you would see how totally ridiculous the e-mail that has been going around is. The e-mail posted has been going around for severral weeks, and has been totally discounted by industry experts. I started not to even respond to this subject but felt that it was needed.
Quote from: frawin on March 05, 2011, 09:52:55 AM
Steve, I have worked for 15 years with an operator that is now drilling in Bakken field. He has leased a lot of acreage and they have done lots of research. In addition there has been lots of research by the government and other Geological groups. Basically all of that research agrees with what Snopes says. I just used Snopes because it had a condensed version of what the facts are. Steve if one did research on the world oil reserves you would see how totally ridiculous the e-mail that has been going around is. The e-mail posted has been going around for severral weeks, and has been totally discounted by industry experts. I started not to even respond to this subject but felt that it was needed.
Well frank i don't know about the bakken field, i just know what was projected back in the 80's at paradise colorado. They spent a lot of money going in there an building the town up and then it was all shut down overnight. I remember the excitement about the reserves there. it was way up there like the email said. Just couldn't unlock the oil from the shale as effectively as they wanted. Now days, they should be able to do it. Even from what i have been reading today they can go out and reopen the wells that had run out decades ago and ulock the oil they couldn't get back then. Every bit helps. What really burns me up is that the eco groups have effectively stopped the reclamation of natural gas through oil drilling regulation. There trillions of cubic feet of Nat gas out there, which will keep us toasty warm for hundreds of years, and even fuel our vehicles.
Steve, there is no shortage of Natural Gas, and there is way to much Natural Gas ready Available in shallow fields and fields that are cheaper to drill than to get into trying to build the infrastructure to produce shale gas in the rockies. We currently have an oversupply of Natural Gas available, the price is way to cheap and gas drilling is way down. On a gas/Oil basis natural Gas should be 3 times what it is, with $100.00 oil why would anyone want to drill their Gas Prospects ?
Steve, I have spent the last 50+ years working in the oil industry, from drilling rigs, pulling units, tanker chartering, oil and gas marketing, operating oil and gas wells, I am pro oil, but there is one thing the industry needs to think about, we can live longer without oil and gas than we can without water. There is no doubt that we have contaminated an awful lot of underground water reservoirs, this is catching up with us faster due to increased population/water usage and increased secondary oil and gas production projects. We are not leaving a very bright future for our future generations. America, continues to be the most energy wasteful nation on earth, we need to make big changes and we need to do it now. Unfortunately we have more people worried about their big gas guzzler having a full tank of cheaper gas, than they are their Grandchildren having water to drink. I have been trying to stay out of the political section, I should never have responded to this thread, I waited as long as I could but I couldn't stand letting it go any longer.
Quote from: frawin on March 05, 2011, 10:19:29 AM
Steve, there is no shortage of Natural Gas, and there is way to much Natural Gas ready Available in shallow fields and fields that are cheaper to drill than to get into trying to build the infrastructure to produce shale gas in the rockies. We currently have an oversupply of Natural Gas available, the price is way to cheap and gas drilling is way down. On a gas/Oil basis natural Gas should be 3 times what it is, with $100.00 oil why would anyone want to drill their Gas Prospects ?
i'll put it this way, if i had access to natural gas here, i would install the equipment on my vehicle and install a fill station and utilize it!
they might get 100 -200 bbl for oil, but how long? When people quit buying it due to cost, they aren't going to make squat at that point. Volume sales has always produced more income in anything produced than tightly regulated inventories sold at a high price. You would think they would learn.
right now, i have two trucks that i could get running well with a few bucks, and i can outfit them with something called a gassifier that would allow me to burn hedge or any wood to fuel my truck. I would get a mile a pound of wood. I have put it off and kept putting it off and its quickly becoming a option i am considering just doing. Plenty of wood around to drive anywhere i want to go. :) Neat thing about it is that i can retain the ability to use gas along with utilizing the methane production from the wood, and if i were to include a brown gas generator on the vehicle, i would increase the power and mileage on both forms.
Like has already been said. We do have a lot of oil, and natural gas available. Actually getting it out of the ground is a different story. Its extremely expensive to extract oil from shale. The best way to go forward is to find alternative forms of energy.
God shed his grace on thee, yes he did, we've got the sun, the wind, water, geothermal, maybe even nuclear. Oil has always been a losing proposition for us.
Quote from: Anmar on March 05, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
Like has already been said. We do have a lot of oil, and natural gas available. Actually getting it out of the ground is a different story. Its extremely expensive to extract oil from shale. The best way to go forward is to find alternative forms of energy.
God shed his grace on thee, yes he did, we've got the sun, the wind, water, geothermal, maybe even nuclear. Oil has always been a losing proposition for us.
And it has been proven over the last 30 years solar, wind are not effective enough and never will be to rely on it for power production. Water is reliable, but in limited areas and most areas today are already developed with hyrdo. Theonly other tech that hasn't been used is wave power from oceans and thats in limbo cause it might screw with some dumb crustacean out there.
Nuclear is the best option for power production. Its cheap, plenty of fuel, and reliable and if we could get past all the regulation and suppression, it could be integrated into powerpacks for automobiles to run on. But that aint going to happen in our lifetime.
So what we have is Oil. drill it pump it and use it. Until they come up with a tech that will do what oil does, were stuck with it. So lets use it until that happens. This cutting off the oil like obamas done this past year is doing nothing but hurting this country.
Between oil and coal, we have enough resource to use until the tech comes to change that.
Quote from: Anmar on March 05, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
Like has already been said. We do have a lot of oil, and natural gas available. Actually getting it out of the ground is a different story. Its extremely expensive to extract oil from shale. The best way to go forward is to find alternative forms of energy.
God shed his grace on thee, yes he did, we've got the sun, the wind, water, geothermal, maybe even nuclear. Oil has always been a losing proposition for us.
I'm an 'all of the above' kinda person, but in the short run, water n wind won't lubricate the bearings on anything. The ultimate costs to implement many of the 'alternative power sources' are extremely high and require subsidy to even be useable at scale (look at ethanol for an example with a history). In the interim, we're a petro based society. Continuing to satisfy our petro needs largely from foreign sources is consummate foolishness may well bankrupt us as will a forced short term attempt to switch to alternatives. Also most alternatives seem geared at productuin of electrical power. That's not the only kind of power we need. Is it?
Steve, you're wrong about solar. There are many countries that are using Solar energy plants quite effectively and reliably. The new nanofilm technology makes production of solar cells quite affordable in terms of capital and can generate electricity at a rate just slightly more expensive than coal.
Ain't nothing gonna change until folks are forced to find the tech. for an alternative. We may have an abundance of oil but what will we do to the enviroment getting that oil? We need to cut back on our enegry consumption and find an alternative. Our water supply is a hellva lot more important than oil.
Yeah, we need to water lawns and get more fertilizer on the grass too.
Quote from: Varmit on March 07, 2011, 09:26:37 AM
We need to cut back on our enegry consumption and find an alternative. Our water supply is a hellva lot more important than oil.
Instead of attacking industry on that, you might look to government. THeir the absolute worst and highest offenders on that. One example is City of Atlanta. INstead of fixing its wastewater treatment plants, they continue to dump raw sewage into the chattahoochie and other tributaries and just pay the fine. IF it were a business, they would be shut down immediately!
Oils got nothing to do with our current water supply problem. Frank correct me if i am wrong, but we don't use fresh water to extract oil. we use saltwater which is not useful for us anyway. They pump that saltwater down to force the oil upwards.
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 07, 2011, 09:33:14 AM
Yeah, we need to water lawns and get more fertilizer on the grass too.
Don't know about fertilizer or water on the grass, but i can identify two main problems here in rancher country. FIrst of all, the soil is crap soil. Instead of just plowing and fertilizing, why not build tilth. Take all that cow manure, compost it and spread it. Not only cow manure, but all the trees that these ranchers push down and burn, could be turned into compost or tilth very easily!
Speaking of trees, these ranchers around here are absolute idiots by knocking down any tree they see just to get that extra 5 foot of hay. Those trees are what keeps this place from turning into a dust bowl again. Its a complete lack of understanding and care of how the land responds to the removal of the trees.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 07, 2011, 10:07:42 AM
Don't know about fertilizer or water on the grass, but i can identify two main problems here in rancher country. FIrst of all, the soil is crap soil. Instead of just plowing and fertilizing, why not build tilth. Take all that cow manure, compost it and spread it. Not only cow manure, but all the trees that these ranchers push down and burn, could be turned into compost or tilth very easily!
Speaking of trees, these ranchers around here are absolute idiots by knocking down any tree they see just to get that extra 5 foot of hay. Those trees are what keeps this place from turning into a dust bowl again. Its a complete lack of understanding and care of how the land responds to the removal of the trees.
sounds like good responsible farming to me. In africa, farmers are using trees to raise the water table, improve soil, and in the southern sahara, they have even been turning parts of the desert to pasture by trapping the rain with rocks.
Quote from: Anmar on March 07, 2011, 10:22:50 AM
sounds like good responsible farming to me. In africa, farmers are using trees to raise the water table, improve soil, and in the southern sahara, they have even been turning parts of the desert to pasture by trapping the rain with rocks.
The problem is that isn't happening. I got lucky this past fall and a rancher brought me 2 dump truck loads of hay and manure from where he fed his cattle and dumped it on my garden spot. Right now i have bout a foot thick of soil where i am going to plant my garden. I just wish right now i had a dump truck and front end loader. I would go get manure from the cattle yards at the auctions and dump on my 5 acres. Pile it up let it compost out for a year and start spreading it 1' thick across my pasture. Then sow grass. I'll tell ya if i could do that, i would have the finest pasture out there!
Most people feel like we should be drilling for more oil, why don't we look at a combination of solutions. Drill for oil, reduce consumption, use more alternative fuels, CNG is the most readily available alternative, wind and solar can and will contribute more in the future. We are importing 8 Million bopd, let's get started drilling and reduce that to 4 million a day. We are consuming 19.6 million barrels per day of total petroleum derived products, lets make a goal to reduce that by 25%, 5 million BPD ASAP. We can start by reducing the wasted horsepower in vehicles, the number one selling vehicles in America are pickups, of the top selling vehicles in America, Number 1 on the list is the Ford F series pickup and Number 2 is the Chevrolet Silverado, I realize that some people need more horsepower for their work, but I would venture that 90% of the big pickups out there could do all they need to do with 1/2 the HP. Americans need to realize that times and the world are changing, China is building vehicles faster than we are and the competition for Petroleum based energy is growing fast. If we started drilling now and reducing engines sizes it would be 5 to 10 years before we could be energy self sustaining. The clock is ticking and the future is going to be pretty bleak if we don't make the sacrifices NOW. Think about your children and grandchildren's future.
I don't have a problem frank with what you said. THE ONLY Problem i would have is if the Government dictated that i could not have a vehicle that had x number of horsepower. That is my choice. I mean come on, if you happen to have a 64 GTO, you just have to build that puppy up to a 650hp engine. ITs just one of those things you gotta do!
Do you by chance know how much petroleum is used in the manufacturing of Medical plastics? Right now thats a important product.
One thing that gets to me is the production of trashbags. WHY? What ever happened to just putting it in a barrel and just hving the trashman dump it into hte truck. But in some cities, they require you to have your trash bagged for some reason.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 07, 2011, 05:40:43 PM
I don't have a problem frank with what you said. THE ONLY Problem i would have is if the Government dictated that i could not have a vehicle that had x number of horsepower. That is my choice. I mean come on, if you happen to have a 64 GTO, you just have to build that puppy up to a 650hp engine. ITs just one of those things you gotta do!
Do you by chance know how much petroleum is used in the manufacturing of Medical plastics? Right now thats a important product.
One thing that gets to me is the production of trashbags. WHY? What ever happened to just putting it in a barrel and just hving the trashman dump it into hte truck. But in some cities, they require you to have your trash bagged for some reason.
Earlier Quote from Steve"right now, i have two trucks that i could get running well with a few bucks, and i can outfit them with something called a gassifier that would allow me to burn hedge or any wood to fuel my truck. I would get a mile a pound of wood. I have put it off and kept putting it off and its quickly becoming a option i am considering just doing. Plenty of wood around to drive anywhere i want to go. Neat thing about it is that i can retain the ability to use gas along with utilizing the methane production from the wood, and if i were to include a brown gas generator on the vehicle, i would increase the power and mileage on both forms."[/b]
Steve when you are souping up that 650 HP engine, could you rig it to burn Hedge Trees or even better rig it to burn Cedar Trees, Cedar Trees are taking the country and they would be plentiful for you to burn. That way you would be doing your part and still having you monster engine.
Quote from: frawin on March 07, 2011, 06:34:40 PM
Earlier Quote from Steve"right now, i have two trucks that i could get running well with a few bucks, and i can outfit them with something called a gassifier that would allow me to burn hedge or any wood to fuel my truck. I would get a mile a pound of wood. I have put it off and kept putting it off and its quickly becoming a option i am considering just doing. Plenty of wood around to drive anywhere i want to go. Neat thing about it is that i can retain the ability to use gas along with utilizing the methane production from the wood, and if i were to include a brown gas generator on the vehicle, i would increase the power and mileage on both forms."[/b]
Steve when you are souping up that 650 HP engine, could you rig it to burn Hedge Trees or even better rig it to burn Cedar Trees, Cedar Trees are taking the country and they would be plentiful for you to burn. That way you would be doing your part and still having you monster engine.
Alas the methane doesn't have the punch needed to run that 650 hp engine. IN FACT Gasoline today cannot run it. I would have to put airplane fuel in to get it to run. 100+ octane level.
But it sure fun to have one!!!! LOL.
The facts are that we use too much oil from outside sources and it puts us in a very precarious situation. We waste energy like no other country. In my opinion we will have to hit $6.00 per gallon gas before we start to take things seriously. Most people in the USA don't even discuss what we talk about here. Thanks to you all that we discuss energy policy, because most of the people I know don't, until it hits them in the pocket book,which is too late. The energy crisis has been going on since the 70's and we still have not adressed the problem.
David
Even if they are hit in the pocketbook it won't do any good. Sure folks will bitch about it, but they'll still keep buying.
Oil has nothing to do with our water supply problem??...You sure about that srkruzich? How much has the production, refining, and use of oil contributed to the polution of our water?
Another possible alternative that hasn't been mentioned is hemp. One acre of hemp is capable of producing up to 50 barrels of useable oil. Granted its not a fix-all solution but should be considered.
Quote from: Varmit on March 08, 2011, 04:44:03 AM
Even if they are hit in the pocketbook it won't do any good. Sure folks will bitch about it, but they'll still keep buying.
Oil has nothing to do with our water supply problem??...You sure about that srkruzich? How much has the production, refining, and use of oil contributed to the polution of our water?
You know varmit you've made the claim. wheres the reliable info?
QuoteAnother possible alternative that hasn't been mentioned is hemp. One acre of hemp is capable of producing up to 50 barrels of useable oil. Granted its not a fix-all solution but should be considered.
Hemp won't power gas engines there varmit.
Steve, Hemp is in fact an excellent source for Ethanol and can be blended with Petroleum based gasoline for fuel.
Quote from: frawin on March 08, 2011, 10:37:08 AM
Steve, Hemp is in fact an excellent source for Ethanol and can be blended with Petroleum based gasoline for fuel.
And can be done in substantial quantity, if enough taxpayer subsidies & mandates are forthcoming!
Quote from: frawin on March 08, 2011, 10:37:08 AM
Steve, Hemp is in fact an excellent source for Ethanol and can be blended with Petroleum based gasoline for fuel.
Again you cannot run ethanol in cars that are not built to handle ethanol. First of all, jets in carb vehicles have to be changed and metered for it, secondly, in tbi cars the injectors are destroyed by any ethanol that is put through it. The ethanol eats the seals to pieces. Third the injection system that replaced the tbi cannot deal with ethanol as its seals will be destroyed too. If you notice only newer model cars that are marked e85 can run ethanol without damage to the engine.
Ethanol has so far been the biggest mistake this country has ever made because they take our food supply and turn it into fuel which has raised the cost of our food supply drastically. Last but not least, ethanol is no where cheaper than using gasoline without government subsidy. It costs over 3.00 - 4.00 per gallon to make ethanol when you factor in all the costs associated with production. I looked into this many times, and from a cost standpoint, its far more cost effective for me to make goldengrain and sell it for 30 dollars a gallon for folks to drink and then take the money and buy gas.
Frawin, I was in BV about 2 or 3 months ago and got gasoline a Phillips 66. If I recall, the gasoline was 10 or 15% ethanol.
Kinda surprised to see that at a Phillips station in Bartlesville and I prefer 100% gasoline.
Red, there are Phillips stations here that have 10% Ethanol and some that have no Ethanol. Actually I think Conoco-Phillips sold all of their stations nationwide, about a year or two ago. Quik-Trip stations have Ethanol, 10% I think, in fact I think about all of the various marketing companies have Ethanol in their Gas. I use the 10% Ethanol in my Vehicles, I buy the Ethanol Free gas for my lawn equipment. I have never had a problem with the Ethanol and I don't know anyone that has.
Quote from: frawin on March 08, 2011, 12:40:03 PM
Red, there are Phillips stations here that have 10% Ethanol and some that have no Ethanol. Actually I think Conoco-Phillips sold all of their stations nationwide, about a year or two ago. Quik-Trip stations have Ethanol, 10% I think, in fact I think about all of the various marketing companies have Ethanol in their Gas. I use the 10% Ethanol in my Vehicles, I buy the Ethanol Free gas for my lawn equipment. I have never had a problem with the Ethanol and I don't know anyone that has.
Frank, I've had to rebuild the injectors in my tbi pickup over 10% ethanol. It eats the seals in them. It also eats up the injection system tubing in the vortec engines thats located under the intake manifold. It consists of a hard plastic distribution point and tubing that goes to each individual injector. IF one tube is broken or eaten though you have to replace the whole thing to the tune of 350 -500 dollars. It causes a host of problems in vehicles. The newer e85 vehicles are built with seals and plastics that are not subject to degredation from the ethenol.
On older model carburated vehicles the biggest problem is the valve seats. They aren't made for the ethanol use. I have a straight 6 head right here i am working on that the seats were eaten up by the alcohol.
There is a big push to eliminate older vehicles, and one such way they have managed to try and sneak in on most people is turn oil from a lubricant into a coolant. What they did was to remove a zinc compound from the oil and took away its lubricating properties. This will kill older vehicles that do not use roller lifters in the engines.
Thankfully i can get the compound they removed and add it to my oil. Its all about the money to force people into buying new vehicles.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 08, 2011, 02:59:32 PMThis will kill older vehicles that do not use roller lifters in the engines.
http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/car_care/askmobil/Zinc_Motor_Oils.aspx
I doubt its an issue of roller lifters though. I doubt most new engines have rollers, maybe higher performance types but most engines will not.
Most of the engines I've seen these days use a "cam over bucket" system where the cam(s) sits directly over the valves and there's a bucket over the valve that the cam rides on directly. Some are hydraulic, some aren't but all are just flat surfaces that the cam rides on.
Quote from: mtcookson on March 08, 2011, 04:16:42 PM
http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/car_care/askmobil/Zinc_Motor_Oils.aspx
I doubt its an issue of roller lifters though. I doubt most new engines have rollers, maybe higher performance types but most engines will not.
Most of the engines I've seen these days use a "cam over bucket" system where the cam(s) sits directly over the valves and there's a bucket over the valve that the cam rides on directly. Some are hydraulic, some aren't but all are just flat surfaces that the cam rides on.
You know i don't know for sure but i do know every vehicle i've worked on from 1989 to 2005 have had roller lifters in them. They don't ride flat on the cam at all.
hmmmm you are right they do still make the hydraulic flat end lifters. Well thats just one problem with the non lubricating oil that happens. I know it will wipe out a older vehicle fast partly that and partly because the metals involved were softer back then.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 08, 2011, 02:59:32 PM
Frank, I've had to rebuild the injectors in my tbi pickup over 10% ethanol. It eats the seals in them. It also eats up the injection system tubing in the vortec engines thats located under the intake manifold. It consists of a hard plastic distribution point and tubing that goes to each individual injector. IF one tube is broken or eaten though you have to replace the whole thing to the tune of 350 -500 dollars. It causes a host of problems in vehicles. The newer e85 vehicles are built with seals and plastics that are not subject to degredation from the ethenol.
On older model carburated vehicles the biggest problem is the valve seats. They aren't made for the ethanol use. I have a straight 6 head right here i am working on that the seats were eaten up by the alcohol.
There is a big push to eliminate older vehicles, and one such way they have managed to try and sneak in on most people is turn oil from a lubricant into a coolant. What they did was to remove a zinc compound from the oil and took away its lubricating properties. This will kill older vehicles that do not use roller lifters in the engines.
Thankfully i can get the compound they removed and add it to my oil. Its all about the money to force people into buying new vehicles.
Steve maybe all your engine problems are coming from burning Hedgewood or Cedar trees, did you mention using cow manure or was that for your pasture. I just know that I have been using Gasoline with 10% Ethanol for several years and I have not had one single problem.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 08, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
You know i don't know for sure but i do know every vehicle i've worked on from 1989 to 2005 have had roller lifters in them. They don't ride flat on the cam at all.
hmmmm you are right they do still make the hydraulic flat end lifters. Well thats just one problem with the non lubricating oil that happens. I know it will wipe out a older vehicle fast partly that and partly because the metals involved were softer back then.
Were they pushrod engines? If so, I can definitely understand that. A lot of the pushrod engines I've seen use roller lifters but as far as overhead cam engines go, rollers seem to be pretty rare. They're even moving away from traditional lifters and rockers and just have a bucket "lifter" which actually sits under the cam as a surface for it to ride on to push the valve directly.
I would LOVE to have rollers in all of my engines without hydraulics for some mean cam profiles. ;D
Quote from: frawin on March 08, 2011, 05:55:05 PM
Steve maybe all your engine problems are coming from burning Hedgewood or Cedar trees, did you mention using cow manure or was that for your pasture. I just know that I have been using Gasoline with 10% Ethanol for several years and I have not had one single problem.
Ii haven't built a Woodgas generator yet. with the wood gas generator you bypass the carburator or tbi injector. IT goes into a plate below them essentially making the carb or tbi a airflow regulator. The gas going in is methane.
Alchohol has problems with corroding aluminum components such as heads in a engine, in the throttle bodies and carbs, and also absorbs water from the atmosphere which also corrodes.
Quote from: mtcookson on March 15, 2011, 01:46:44 PM
Were they pushrod engines? If so, I can definitely understand that. A lot of the pushrod engines I've seen use roller lifters but as far as overhead cam engines go, rollers seem to be pretty rare. They're even moving away from traditional lifters and rockers and just have a bucket "lifter" which actually sits under the cam as a surface for it to ride on to push the valve directly.
I would LOVE to have rollers in all of my engines without hydraulics for some mean cam profiles. ;D
Yeah pushrod engines, I've got a 4 banger out here that has roller lifters.