Time to BOYCOTT WALMART?!?
From where I stood, facing the front of the WalMart Store, it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Obuma Demo-Ratic Party:
WAR IS PEACE ~~~ FREEDOM IS SLAVERY ~~~ IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Nicht vergessen: Arbeit macht frei
Actually, I think that this "see something say something" program is a good idea. It could be used as a very effective way of showing the DHS just what a huge waste this is. Imagine thousands of reports each day coming in that sounded like...
"I just saw a guy wearing camo pants purchase 4 quarts of motor oil, car wax, and a cooler."
"OH MY GOD send help. Some bald guy in sporting goods just bought like 5 or 6 boxes of bullets and a blaze orange vest and hat. He's just gotta be some kind of buddist exteremist"
"There was a lady that just bought a box of Tampoons and a box of Maxi pads, two rolls of duct tape, some asprin, and a frying pan...I think shes one of those lady terrorists"....(ok, that one might be true ;D)
I say we take a page from their playbook and "overwhelm the system"...report EVERYTHING.
If you talk to any 911 dispatcher you'd find out it happens all the time, right now. Some are very funny, some are sad. Some are called "honest mistakes."
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 09:27:18 AM
If you talk to any 911 dispatcher you'd find out it happens all the time, right now. Some are very funny, some are sad. Some are called "honest mistakes."
Wondered how long it would take our resident codependent to come to the rescue. This isn't a time to minimize, soft pedal & make irrelevant comparisons.
Lest others be as innocent as ms diane, this is about a concerted effort by the US Government to partner with big business in an effort to co-opt and coerce the American citizenry into becoming informants for the federal government. While diligence to crime is important in our society, being hyper-sensitive government informants is the ultimate in class warfare.
Diane, it's time for you to get out of your little cocoon, and see a bigger picture. Do some serious research about life in the former Soviet Union. Children reporting parents to the state, neighbors spying on neighbors & family turning on family in the hopes of being seen in a favorable light by the powers that be. Check out the methods used by despots & dictators to control their subjects. For God's sake read Orwell's 1984 with an open mind! Remember Obama's desire for a 'civilian force' equal in might to our military? See my other post yesterday about spying on your fellow citizens.
I DO see a much bigger picture, you sir are the blind one. You refuse to acknowledge anyone who might have every day facts and would much rather listen to the fear mongers and people "out there " who want to make money twisting and turning what most likely will never happen here, into "It's happening right now" bloggers. Besides the Repubs are supposed to stop anything untoward from happening now aren't they? ;D ;D ;D You should be safe at last!
My 911 comparisons are hardly irrelevant! They are real. Meth lab materials in the back seats of abandoned cars? Discovered by children. Hardly irrelevant. A large back pack left all day in the bushes near the front door of the library. Still there the next day, reported to PD. Pipe bombs nearly completed found in a house garage on fire...real! Mad at your girlfriend? Lock her kids in their rooms, pile her stuff on the bed and set it on fire and leave. You are worried about the Gov't ? This stuff happens NOW!
You are assuming the general public doesn't have any common sense! Most do, with a few flakes thrown in to keep it interesting. Blasting caps found by kids at a construction site...hardly irrelevant. This is the real life stuff, not neighbors peering in each others windows! If that starts happening, I'll let you know. Plausible calls to 911 are always investigated, even though it takes a huge amount of time and is very expensive. Many are calls from the elderly. Diss me if you want and live in your own fantasy land. If something really did happen, I'd know before you did anyway.
Now go back to reading your book and pretending that nobody but you has enough sense to be watchful. There are many of us here but we have enough sense to keep our yaps shut about it so you don't know who we are and then deny our existence as you already have. Too bad.
By the way, one of that "civilian force," The Emergency Services Corps, is a delightful young man from Romania who is assigned to us this year earning credit for a college scholarship. He's helping me with all sorts of fire safety projects and learning to be a firefighter too.
I live right smack in the middle of the big east coast corridor from Boston to DC and on to Richmond and you call it a cocoon? Oh please! Are you kidding? Good example of what I've always called "Di's Law" You don't know that you don't know. What a waste.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
I DO see a much bigger picture, you sir are the blind one. You refuse to acknowledge anyone who might have every day facts and would much rather listen to the fear mongers and people "out there " who want to make money twisting and turning what most likely will never happen here, into "It's happening right now" bloggers. Besides the Repubs are supposed to stop anything untoward from happening now aren't they? ;D ;D ;D You should be safe at last!
You know my background, training, experience, expertise, current exposure & knowledge, exactly how?
Your everyday facts are superior to others & are all inclusive, all settling & omniscient exactly how & why?
You know what most likely will never happen here and what is & isn't happening exactly how? And what do Repubs have to do with anything in this dialogue?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
My 911 comparisons are hardly irrelevant! They are real.
Not unreal, never said that. Consider your little psyche validated. Irrelevant, not to you, but perhaps to the discussion at hand.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
Meth lab materials in the back seats of abandoned cars? Discovered by children. Hardly irrelevant. A large back pack left all day in the bushes near the front door of the library. Still there the next day, reported to PD. Pipe bombs nearly completed found in a house garage on fire...real! Mad at your girlfriend? Lock her kids in their rooms, pile her stuff on the bed and set it on fire and leave. You are worried about the Gov't ?
You're damned right I'm worried about the government! And if you aren't then, by all means, enjoy your bliss!. To wit:
This isn't a time to minimize, soft pedal & make irrelevant comparisons. this is about a concerted effort by the US Government to partner with big business in an effort to co-opt and coerce the American citizenry into becoming informants for the federal government. While diligence to crime is important in our society, being hyper-sensitive government informants is the ultimate in class warfare.Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
This stuff happens NOW!
Yeah, and your point is?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
You are assuming the general public doesn't have any common sense! Most do, with a few flakes thrown in to keep it interesting. Blasting caps found by kids at a construction site...hardly irrelevant. This is the real life stuff, not neighbors peering in each others windows! If that starts happening, I'll let you know.
You'll let me know, how godesslike of you, mistress!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
Plausible calls to 911 are always investigated, even though it takes a huge amount of time and is very expensive. Many are calls from the elderly. Diss me if you want and live in your own fantasy land. If something really did happen, I'd know before you did anyway.
Emphasis added. Idolatry doesn't become you. But if you insist, I'll consider waiting for your highness to report the absolute truth.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
Now go back to reading your book...
Thanks mistress, but I think I'll exercise my liberty here and ignore your mandate.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
There are many of us here but we have enough sense to keep our yaps shut about it so you don't know who we are and then deny our existence as you already have. Too bad.
Yaps shut? That's comedic coming from you, diane. Don't think that I'm the one doing the denying here.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
By the way, one of that "civilian force," The Emergency Services Corps, is a delightful young man from Romania who is assigned to us this year earning credit for a college scholarship. He's helping me with all sorts of fire safety projects and learning to be a firefighter too.
God bless his pea pickin little heart! Let's see, US population from which to examine = 350,000,000 plus and your example of choice = 1. Helluva big sampling! By no means narrow or limited at all!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
I live right smack in the middle of the big east coast corridor from Boston to DC and on to Richmond and you call it a cocoon? Oh please! Are you kidding?
Said it before... Where you live is immaterial to the philosophical/conceptual discussion or debate. Said it before... You miss the point completely. The cocoon is your mindset, not your physical residence.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
Good example of what I've always called "Di's Law" You don't know that you don't know. What a waste.
Again with the
laws of diane! And you have the ballz to call me narrow minded? I've never suggested, as have you, that I possess some special knowledge. Perhaps another glance in your mirror is warranted. Or maybe, in your glorified sense of self importance & from your vast wells of knowledge, you'll tell us..... what's gonna happen in Afghanistan now that R. Holbrooke is dead?
So I'm supposed to bow down before you and acknowledge your superior knowledge...all second hand or from a fiction novel? Help yourself...Again with trying to humiliate me... Nope, I just looked, it didn't stick....I will not be humiliated by you. It won't work. Try your best. Try to minimize me all you want. I still have my freedom to post or not, to ignore you or not, to speak my truth. Apparently my world is larger than yours? I didn't think so. Is your world that dull and boring? You would have people enclosed by a prison of their own making? Gloom and doom? Give the American people some credit. They aren't going to be led into spying on their friends and neighbors for favors. Just because it happened in another country that never had freedom or choice or democracy doesn't mean it would be easy to do here. Why do you think Americans would fall for it?
Sure, be watchful, but don't let it muddy up the good parts of life or start carrying a sandwich board that says "the world ends tomorrow." Bad economy has happened before and we recovered. We'll tough it out and recover again. Bit by bit things will get better, if we can figure out how to keep the enemy "over there" and not let it become us. Every time we allow them to cause successful disruption in our lives, they win. If we even speculate that our own government is the enemy, they win. We should not allow that to happen. We need a united front and should work to get it.
As far as my knowledge base, I was asked to give a talk on Monday evening specifically about a topic that I am an expert in. But I guess no matter what it is you would challenge me, because for some reason you can't stand the idea that I might actually know something. That's your problem not mine...you keep right on reading what I have to say...why? It just makes you mad. Don't like it? DON"T READ IT! Then I won't feel I have to answer you. Problem solved.
Here in St. Joseph Missouri, the federal government has approached the city and county with a plan to build a facility "to hold illegals". People in the local government are ecstatic over this as they think it will boost the economy. But it is not illogical to think that this facility could also hold citizens, such as the citizens FEMA camps will hold "in case of emergency". Pictures of the FEMA camps include tall fences with barbed wire on top. Inside the fences are play areas for children.
This is how Hitler and the Nazi party proceeded: step by step manipulating the public into believing the philosophy they wanted them to believe as a part of the regeneration of Germany. I watched the Rise of the Third Reich last evening and it brought many things to mind. Especially the slow inculcation of Nazi thought into the German society. The projection of ideas that cetain people were subhuman and not deserving of life. Then the jump to persecuting the people including children. And then the formation of camps where they were first duped and then killed.
I thought the FEMA camps were to be on military bases.?? Sure it could be abused, but if American citizens want something done about illegals, which doesn't get much press any more, where would they put them if a large group were to be held to be processed and then either jailed, held for trial ,sentenced, or deported?
Since we still have people alive here and many families here who dealt with Nazi Germany personally, it would be harder to do here now. There are people and whole societies here who watch. (plus there are people of all faiths working in Gov't. now) They have a personal stake in never letting their families be exposed to that kind of thing ever again. They escaped from Germany, Russia, Poland, Romania, Latvia, Lithuania etc. I hope there would never be another Kristallnacht. If we let that happen then we are doomed.
Diane the FEMA camps are already in existence all over the country. Jesse Ventura showed pictures of them on a TV program a couple of weeks ago. They are a part of a plan the government will use if they declare martial law in case of an emergency. Jesse Ventura had a copy of they law that was passed giving the federal government permission to do this. He approached a legislator who had generated the bill and the legislator denied doing it. He even denied the camps existed. Then he left the area where he was being confronted by Ventura.
I had been hearing about this for a while but did not believe it. Now I do.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
So I'm supposed to bow down before you and acknowledge your superior knowledge...all second hand or from a fiction novel?
You again show blindness wrought of ignorance.
Still having
NO knowledge of my experience, you assume it to be second hand or based in fiction. How simpleminded and foolish.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Help yourself...Again with trying to humiliate me... Nope, I just looked, it didn't stick....I will not be humiliated by you. It won't work. Try your best. Try to minimize me all you want
I have no doubt that you are beyond the reach of humiliation. Several of your previous responses show that you clearly canonize your experience & deify your knowledge. This would clearly place you above & beyond most acknowledgments of humility.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
I still have my freedom to post or not, to ignore you or not, to speak my truth.
Yes, you have those freedoms. I opine you demonstrate difficulty in exercising 2 & 4, however. As to #5... remember, just because it's
YOUR truth, that doesn't make it
THE truth.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Apparently my world is larger than yours? I didn't think so. Is your world that dull and boring?
Not bored at all.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
You would have people enclosed by a prison of their own making? Gloom and doom?
I wouldn't have them be anything or anywhere at all. I'll leave that to them, thanks.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Give the American people some credit. They aren't going to be led into spying on their friends and neighbors for favors.
Your lack of reasoning with respect to the nature of humankind is amazing! What was that you said earlier about all the terrible things you see people do everyday?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Just because it happened in another country that never had freedom or choice or democracy doesn't mean it would be easy to do. here.
Democracy? Our founders would remind you that democracy is probably the form of governance MOST likely to end in such evils.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Why do you think Americans would fall for it?
Humans are deceived and duped daily. Since stories of the days of Adam & Eve, mankind has fallen to deceptions great & small. Give me some sound evidence that Americans wouldn't fall for it! By my observations of current events, they're falling headlong.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Sure, be watchful, but don't let it muddy up the good parts of life or start carrying a sandwich board that says "the world ends tomorrow." Bad economy has happened before and we recovered. We'll tough it out and recover again. Bit by bit things will get better,...
Muddy up the good parts of life. Do you really think I live in a sandwich board? Silly woman. Perseverance & recovery is a good thing. Avoidance of calamity in the first place would be better, don't you think? For what better purpose do you think this politics forum exists if not to bring to light things we might miss in our daily travels?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
...if we can figure out how to keep the enemy "over there" and not let it become us. Every time we allow them to cause successful disruption in our lives, they win. If we even speculate that our own government is the enemy, they win. We should not allow that to happen. We need a united front and should work to get it.
I suppose the words 'enemy within' are a fantasy to you. With your vast knowledge, I would think you might know something of how things worked during the Cold War. I've actually met those (Americans) who would destroy America from within. One of the things they rely on is people like you who are consumed with keeping the enemy
over there. Wherever over there is. Another thing they rely on is people who are damned sure Americans aren't gullible or subject to the effects of propaganda.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
As far as my knowledge base, I was asked to give a talk on Monday evening specifically about a topic that I am an expert in. But I guess no matter what it is you would challenge me, because for some reason you can't stand the idea that I might actually know something.
I couldn't care less about your little seminar. I'm sure many who read this have likewise been asked to share their knowledge at one time or another. I know I have. But that, too, is not relevant here. Unless you are an 'expert' in governmental/international affairs, the founding principles of this country, mass manipulation by the use of fear and/or propaganda, the agendas and methods of any substantial factions who actually stand in opposition to the republican form of government that is supposed to be America or the psychology of mass deception, please stop trying to impress with your 'expert status'.
Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
That's your problem not mine...you keep right on reading what I have to say...why? It just makes you mad. Don't like it? DON"T READ IT!
Mind reading now, diane? Looks more like a psychological defense & behavior pattern called projection.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 15, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Then I won't feel I have to answer you. Problem solved.
Your crystal ball should have told you by now that I
live to control your feelings! Not! And, just because you
feel you have to respond, the feeling doesn't mandate action. Feeling like you have to pee may fall in that category, but not feeling like you have to respond(react?).. Again, the problem you seem to be trying to solve, isn't the issue originally presented in this post. Pay attention, willya?
Some words to ponder...
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
No good government but what is republican... the very definition of a republic is an empire of laws, and not of men.
Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom.John Adams
Quote from: twirldoggy on December 15, 2010, 03:27:29 PM
Diane the FEMA camps are already in existence all over the country. Jesse Ventura showed pictures of them on a TV program a couple of weeks ago. They are a part of a plan the government will use if they declare martial law in case of an emergency. Jesse Ventura had a copy of they law that was passed giving the federal government permission to do this. He approached a legislator who had generated the bill and the legislator denied doing it. He even denied the camps existed. Then he left the area where he was being confronted by Ventura.
I had been hearing about this for a while but did not believe it. Now I do.
Darned scary to say the least twirldoggy. And the biggest ally to those who would do such things, are the very people who will deny that it could happen here and those who blindly defend the propaganda that is used to promote the terrible agenda without question.
St Joseph, MO. Go figure. And look at how readily the local officials bit the fruit! Americans gullible? Say it ain't so!
By the way... For the naysayers.....
Been a good citizen and had your flu shot yet? The government says you should!
Had your daughters take those shots that aren't proven to do much for only 2 types of cervical cancer yet? The government says you should!
Given your kids their psychotropic drugs to help manage their behavior yet? The government says you should!
Keeping busy sorting through your trash to help save the environment? The government says you should!
Replaced all your soon to be illegal light bulbs with the new ones that have mercury in them, cause eyestrain & emit higher levels of UV? The government says you should!
Yeah, do it because some government, taxpayer supported bureaucrat says you should! And just because we elect em, doesn't mean elected officials are trustworthy.
Only a fool or a masochist fails to
inspect that which he
expects!
The local newspaper in St. Joseph reported that the federal government has promised a $ 400,000 input yearly to the economy here. They did not report a plan as to what would happen to any illegals after they were gathered in the facility. Many of the illegals have families with children born in the US. Are the children to be held in a prison like environment? Will the facilities be able to provide for the welfare of entire families? ( I think not. ) Are they to be shipped back to their country of origin right away?
I think the federal government should put it up front exactly what is planned. Let legal citizens know the truth of what is planned and have some kind of input.
I can't agree about the 600 FEMA "torture" camps because for every person who has "proved" they exist there are just as many credible people who have proved that they don't or the buildings are something else entirely. Why don't the people who actually built them ever get interviewed? Are people talking about two different things? So how does one figure out who is misleading whom? Even Glen Beck debunked it. I remember reading an extensive article in Popular Mechanics debunking it quite a long time ago. I don't know what Jesse Ventura was up to, but why is he considered an "expert?".( Patriot threw my expertise out the window without a second thought and he knows nothing about me to judge me from.) How does somebody decide who to believe? The person who has better PR firm? The person with the high priced advertising agency? The person who has the best video presentation, even though we know how easy it is to edit and photo shop old onto new, etc. Some citizens are being used but who is doing the best selling job? The one woman was actually involved with Timothy McVeigh's group. Is that person credible?
As far as St. Joe, yes, the Gov't does owe the residents, probably by way of the state or local planning agencies, an explanation and public meetings and/or workshops with displays showing the details, traffic impact studies, the effect on schools and services, how infrastructure would be affected, etc. and exactly how the whole operation would work.There are people who will be for it because of the long term job aspect and there will be people against it because, as is true everywhere, they don't want change for any reason. Of course the conspiracy "experts" will "prove" their side and the debunkers will prove theirs. So who is leading whom down the primrose path? I don't care what they show you somebody will call it all lies. I give up.
Americans won't be duped...They won't fall for it...They have common sence...
Interesting considering our history. The aftermath of 9/11 is proof enough isn't it? Just because the gov't said the attacks were carried out by radical muslims people were reporting anyone they saw in a turban as a terrorist. Wheres the common sense in that?
"If the enemy disrupts our lives then they will win..."
Well, then guess what...they have won.
In a sense they have. But it's never to late to plan a new strategy.
It is if people don't see who the real enemy is.
Right now there are multiple enemies. some within, some not
Yeah...and right now one of the biggest threats comes from within our borders by people who we supposedly put in power, and by people we're told to trust (l.e.o's, teachers, etc). However, the "A" Number 1 threat are those that can't or won't see what is happening.