This is pure insanity at its governmental best
DHS: '70% chance disease would escape' from 'mainland Plum Island' biodefense lab
New Study Questions Safety of Proposed Biodefense Laboratory
Martin Matishak
Global Security Newswire
November 16, 2010
WASHINGTON — An expert panel said yesterday the U.S. Homeland Security Department has not adequately gauged the potential risks associated with a proposed multimillion-dollar infectious-disease research laboratory in Kansas (see GSN, May 20 ).
There are "several major shortcomings" in a department risk assessment of its planned National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility near Manhattan, Kansas, according to a report by the National Research Council, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences. The proposed site is roughly 120 miles west of Kansas City.
The facility's construction is expected to cost between $500 million and $700 million. The 520,000-square-foot center, slated to begin construction in 2012, would study highly infectious animal-borne pathogens, some of which could pose a threat to humans. It would replace the Plum Island Disease Center located near Long Island, New York, which was established in 1937.
The new site would also be the world's third Biosafety-Level 4 Pathogen laboratory to work with large animals. The other two such facilities are in Australia and Canada.
The DHS assessment, which wrapped up in June, found that there is a nearly 70 percent chance a disease would escape the laboratory during its planned 50-year operational lifespan. The earlier report estimated the economic losses from a postulated foot-and-mouth disease outbreak at $9 billion to $50 billion.
However, yesterday's 146-page NRC analysis states that the actual amount could be "significantly higher" because the department's assessment did not consider the dangers associated with daily upkeep of large animal holding rooms.
The earlier evaluation was also criticized for inadequately accounting for the planned facility's proximity to Kansas State University College of Veterinary Medicine clinics, where large numbers of sick animals are treated, as well as the university's football stadium, which has a capacity over 55,000. The large animal and human populations at those sites would be potentially susceptible to infections with a zoonotic agent, the report states. About 9.5 percent of the entire U.S. cattle inventory is raised within 200 miles of the Manhattan site.
http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20101116_2865.php (http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20101116_2865.php)
Common sense tells you this plan is ridiculous!!
Who needs foreign terrorists when you have DHS, TSA, FDA, USDA, DOE, POTUS, et al? Napolitano was right about one thing.. domestic terrorism may well be on the rise!.
smoke and mirrors folks. Yeah it might be used to reduce population but why? Well, think of it, the govt has just started printing money. 600 billion worth. By next spring your savings, your paycheck will drop 30% in value from this and it will also increase the price of everything because the corporations cannot produce the product at a 30% loss. So they mark it up. Thats 60% loss of your wealth your check your savings.
What will happen? Revolt? Probably, mass unrest? Definately, less resources, food, suppliles, they have to have a way to make the resources spread amongst the people. So what is left is population reduction. What better way than to move a level 4 disease facility onto land without the safety of water barrier. Shoot Watch the movie the stand. With plum island, the diesease is at least contained and offshore. With it in manhatten kansas, approximately the center of the country it breaks out and spreads everywhere affecting everyone.
Once its over they pick up the dead and move on. They don't even have to fire a shot at the public.
Spot on Srkruzich! That is the direction I was wanting to take this thread, and slowly lead it that way but... I guess we'll just jump in with both feet. The way I see it happening is something like this...
1) They move the lab right smack in the middle of the country. Into an area that not only produces but handles alot of our food production.
2) There are already doubts as to the installations ability to contain the viruses and bio-hazards its going to handle, so right there is the perfect set up for an outbreak. Espcially when you consider that the facility will not be built to be tornado proof.
3) With an outbreak of pandemic proportions they, the gov't, has the perfect excuse to quaraintine sections of the state. Of course, immediately following that would come the announcement that they were unable to stop all of the contaminated food from leaving the area. So further quarantines will be necessary, so forth and so on. Dollars to doughnuts says that these quarantine areas end up resembling those areas outlined in the FEMA Regional Operations breakdown.
4) Of course, with quarantines comes the movement of the civilian population from "contaiminated" areas to those that are deemed "safe". But as we saw with Katrina you have to have facilities big enough to deal with large numbers of "delocated" people, this is where the Camps come into play. And we all know where these lead to. If in doubt, see the history of Nazi Germany.
Sorry guys, the Plum Island stuff did not stay contained and off shore. Lyme Disease escaped from Plum Island some years back and we've been dealing with it on the east coast ever since. They were doing tick studies and it got into the deer population. I don't know if you have Lyme out there or not. If not then it hasn't spread everywhere yet. It's named for Lyme Conn. where they finally pinned it down and made the connection between deer ticks and the disease that can and is transmitted to humans. Check out "project paperclip." Lyme is rarely fatal, but can be, and can leave people with serious heart damage and body wide infections that must be treated with long time IV doses of antibiotics, if that even works. Not sure what Manhattan would be studying, but if is connected with the Vet school, the large animal component would make sense.
Varmit, "they" don't have to be that sophisticated, if there really is a "they." Just pollute the water supplies below the treatment plants with things that already exist and that's that. Go take a mass casualty class and you'd be shocked at what could be done. My concern right now is with the people who break into safe well managed facilities and deliberately turn something lose to prove a point.
Of course, if something like this were to happen then we are talking about total chaos not only in America, but worldwide. Enter the perfect set-up for an International Governing body, aka One World Government. Think I'm crazy?...Think again. It was George Soros himself that said the main obstacle to a one world government was the United States. Now, what does Soros have to do with all of this, well shockingly enough, in 2007 Soros invested $62 million dollars in Halliburton Inc. Big deal, so what right? Well, just so happens that Halliburton, a major defense contractor, played a big part in the construction of the FEMA camps. HHHMMMM....strangely compelling.
Quote from: Varmit on November 20, 2010, 11:40:12 AM
Of course, if something like this were to happen then we are talking about total chaos not only in America, but worldwide. Enter the perfect set-up for an International Governing body, aka One World Government. Think I'm crazy?...Think again. It was George Soros himself that said the main obstacle to a one world government was the United States. Now, what does Soros have to do with all of this, well shockingly enough, in 2007 Soros invested $62 million dollars in Halliburton Inc. Big deal, so what right? Well, just so happens that Halliburton, a major defense contractor, played a big part in the construction of the FEMA camps. HHHMMMM....strangely compelling.
Now your looking in the right direction. Follow the paper. Soros is just the public face. He doesn't care if people know. I think his hero was poppof a communist.
Diane, they would have to be that sophisticated. To pollute the water supply would take entirely too long. Not only that but it would raise questions as to where the polluatant came from. Eventually, the truth would come out. With this they have the perfect set up. All they have to say is, yes our safeguards failed. As for a "mass casualty" class, I don't need it. They are unimagative and restrict their thinking to governmental guidelines. And seldom to they point to the gov't as the cause of the problem.
How can you know what's in an MCI class if you never took one? ;D You'd be amazed! It's neutral because we have to deal with all aspects no matter where it came from. It's somebody else's job to pick out the "bad guys" no matter who they are. Internal USA terrorists are included! There, I'll stop. I just deleted a whole paragraph because I'd said too much. After all, do we know who might have hired one Timothy McVeigh?
Diane, you forget that I attended the best MCI class availble, the hosted at Ft. Benning Ga. put on by the United States Army. :) as well as others like it. Internal USA terrorists??...And have you attended a class where the "mass causalities" were inflicted by the U.S. gov't itself? I highly doubt it.
Quote from: Varmit on November 20, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
3) With an outbreak of pandemic proportions they, the gov't, has the perfect excuse to quaraintine sections of the state. Of course, immediately following that would come the announcement that they were unable to stop all of the contaminated food from leaving the area. So further quarantines will be necessary, so forth and so on. Dollars to doughnuts says that these quarantine areas end up resembling those areas outlined in the FEMA Regional Operations breakdown.
I forgot to mention that with the segeration of the country into seperate regions there would need to a chain of command. Obama has already seen to this, via Executive Order, with the Establishment of the Council of Governors.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/president-obama-signs-executive-order-establishing-council-governors (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/president-obama-signs-executive-order-establishing-council-governors)
Think it still seems a little far fetched? Check out H.R. 645 that calls for the creation of FEMA camps, or as the gov't refers to them, Residental Centers.
diane you seem to forget that the Government is the ones who infected how many people with i think gonorrhoea, siphalis, and other diseases just to see what it would do.
If i remember right it was done in alabama. They will do what they want to do if there is no oversight. With the use of bio escaping they have plausible deniability. Shoot its a perfect storm to sieze property rights, move you into a "residential" center cause your property falls under the "affected" area.
We are seeing events unfolding right now where they are moving to destroy our wealth as a nation. They are trying to bring this country down to a 3rd world status with poverty equal to that of the rest of the world. Then they can institute one world government, as well as currency.
They have tried and failed for years to bring the rest of the world up to our standards. Now they understand that its easier to destroy our standard of living to bring us down then they can move on with their one world agenda.
I'm not forgetting anything.The Tuskegee Project was a huge embarrassment some 48 or so years ago. We didn't give those black folks syphilis, they just weren't treated for the disease they already had. Then they "learned" from the autopsies. You are welcome to figure out who's Gov't it was then. It was just terrible. Then there was what was done in South America back in the 40's ...same kind of thing. I think it was Guatemala or Costa Rica. There have been cases back in the 50's and 60's of men who were on death row anyway being given drugs to see what the effects would be .Some of the men knew and felt they could do some good by participating, others didn't know. This kind of thing has been going on for generations .Why would it suddenly be so important now? Ya know ,you guys keep talking about a "one world agenda." If we aren't careful the world is going to move off without us while they make new trading partners and things like the euro happen with other groups of countries who get together for their "community good." I'm still waiting to see that new America money that some swore would be here by now. Had photos and everything. ;D ;D ;D. Make up your minds folks. If you close down certain segments of Gov't, there goes the oversight. Add more and Gov't gets bigger and more top heavy...Who is "THEY" anyway? It's a natural cycle, just like global warming. It will take several years, but it will slowly right itself if everybody will stop lining up against the same side of the ship waiting to be thrown off.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2010, 03:07:42 PM
Ya know ,you guys keep talking about a "one world agenda." If we aren't careful the world is going to move off without us while they make new trading partners and things like the euro happen with other groups of countries who get together for their "community good."
Lets use the euro for example. ITs failing. Look at what happened, they bound together in a charter. first country to have problems is greece. Germany says we gotta prop em up or we are in trouble..... Next thing was spain, its in trouble so we gotta prop em up bail em out. Now its ireland, ireland is having to give up its national sovereignty to save everyones bacon over there. IF ireland goes, so goes the euro....
Now before greece went under it was spending 120% of its GDP on its socialist state. You know where everyone has the free medical care that can't afford it? free school, free this free that, make the producers pay for everyone you know. Take the top producers and assign x number of the population as his or her dependent eventually daddy is broke.
Spain did the same yet it spent out 60% of its GDP i think is the figure, and it had to be bailed out. BTW greece still is in trouble.
Irelands socialist govt is spending around 80% of its GDP. I don't know how much the other countries are, but its getting worse and worse and now guess what, they are coming for us... they are going to as America to bail them out. We can't and shouldn't.
QuoteIt will take several years, but it will slowly right itself if everybody will stop lining up against the same side of the ship waiting to be thrown off.
No it won't. We are entering a Veimar republic. in fact we are halfway through the forrest.
First of all, its not a natural cycle, do the research. Council Foregin Relations, Trilateral commission, Bilderbeger group for starters. As for the world moving on and the Euro...let them. There is no reason why we should be a part of it. Take a look at what is going on worldwide, famine, diease, violent civil unrest, religious oppression, which one of those exactly do you want to take part in?
As for the gov't conducting expirements...you might want to examine the practices of the EPA and their testing pesticides on children.
Hey, I never said I approved, I just acknowledged it. There has always been the tug of the haves against the have nots, plus the famine, disease and the power struggles of one group against the other.Things did eventually get back to "normal' of a sort after "the big crash." It will eventually this time too. As far as the kids are concerned...wait for it..... some do consider kids pests! That's a joke people! Actually I am familiar with the voluntary testing of the "pesticides",actually a repellent, DEET that you mentioned. I'm more worried about the daily poisonings that happen to children from the ordinary stuff that people have under the sink and around the house, but that's another subject.
No it didn't and no it won't. Look at what the "big crash" gave us. More gov't intrusion and theft. Like I said, this plan to bring down our country just didn't spring up ovenight. It has been years in the making...but you know what, no matter how plain it is made you won't see it.
I guess I'm just too busy taking care of people right here, right now, and tomorrow too. Of course I read about whats going on. I read and see all of it. Fox and MSNBC and all the bloggers on here too. I read and digest lots of viewpoints, even the "aluminum foil on the windows" people. If I see something hinky I do act on it. I have friends and people in all walks of life who can quietly stop all kinds of trouble even before it happens. I also write letters. Of course the extremist situation worries me, but if the time comes I'll do what is necessary just like everyone else. In the meantime, it's business as usual.
Right now we've just responded to an unresponsive driver, car into a house. I seriously doubt those people could care right at this moment who the president is or what George Soros is up to. There is time to revisit all that tomorrow. You'll never know for sure what I really do approve and disapprove of because much of what I say is for the course of debating ideas, not to necessarily pin down right or wrong. Even with the just mentioned George S., he is hated because he is very liberal and has more money than God, but he tried to get Marijuana legalized in California, so how bad could that be? ;D ;D ;D