I just have no words for how horrendous this is. This... INSANITY... MUST be stopped.
http://www.infowars.com/government-seizes-newborn-baby-over-political-beliefs-of-parents/
Here's his profile page on Son's of Liberty Riders: http://americanlibertyriders.ning.com/profile/JohnCIrish?xg_source=activity
I hate to say it but its past time to lock n load and let God sort em out.
I can guarantee you that there would have been some dead people if they had tried to take my baby.
Please read the entire article including the small print and check out other sources. The father was to take anger management classes and the family is apparently very known to CPS for some reason. Child neglect? Child abuse? Threats? Wife beating? It sounds to me like much more than a political thing. Would any of you protect a child abuser who also happened to be involved with a watchdog political group over his personal rights? This story raised my skeptic meter to high alert. I need to know more. I don't think the child was taken solely over the parent's political beliefs. States don't have that kind of money anymore and caseworkers are overloaded as it is. There must be something else going on. Once again I think this is one of those stories intended to make certain kinds of people in a certain audience angry and illicit a high emotional response. It seems to be working. It may be exactly as reported, but I don't think so.
Alex jones is an interesting guy. Pretty sure he believes 9/11 is an inside job. And some people around here have called me anti-semetic? you should see what Jones has to say about Israel.
About the article
QuoteThe affidavit in support of the decision to take the child, which has been verified by Oath Keepers, states, "The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers," confirming that political beliefs were, amongst other reasons, one of the primary factors behind the snatching of the baby.
When you look at the supporting documents, you'll notice that its item #7. I'd bet items 1-6 were a lot more important when it comes to making that decision. Its just another ploy by the right wing fringe to portray themselves as victims to gain media attention and stir up ill feelings toward the big bad government.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 08, 2010, 03:40:25 PM
Please read the entire article including the small print and check out other sources. The father was to take anger management classes and the family is apparently very known to CPS for some reason. Child neglect? Child abuse? Threats? Wife beating? It sounds to me like much more than a political thing. Would any of you protect a child abuser who also happened to be involved with a watchdog political group over his personal rights? This story raised my skeptic meter to high alert. I need to know more. I don't think the child was taken solely over the parent's political beliefs. States don't have that kind of money anymore and caseworkers are overloaded as it is. There must be something else going on. Once again I think this is one of those stories intended to make certain kinds of people in a certain audience angry and illicit a high emotional response. It seems to be working. It may be exactly as reported, but I don't think so.
Uhm child services is not a reliable source. In fact, I personally think a kid is a whole hell of a lot better off than to be delivered into those murdering bastards hands. Far too many kids die as a result of taking a child from a home and putting them into a absolute nightmare of a foster home where they are just warehoused for the bucks that they get.
Lastly, they had no right to take that baby in the hospital. In fact i know for a fact they would have died if it had been my child. I don't play games when it comes to my kids or family.
I have been doing an extensive search on this.. I will do more later on as my time is running out for this evening.. I found quite a bit on it..( the mainstream media is quiet on it.) I found this video.. ( a few F words at the beginning.. other than that it is clean for those of you with sensitive ears.. LOL)
source:.......http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread617781/pg1
Ron Paul has gotten a hold of it also and is starting to delve into what is going on..
(Personally? It stinks of Big Brother Gov BS) (http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/140.gif)
In the fine print of the article posted it says that family services has been working with the couple for 21 months. The father failed to complete anger control classes. Two children have been removed to foster care because of severe neglect. The parental rights to these two chilrdren are sought to be terminated and they are awaiting the judge's decision. In a situation like this it is very common for family services to remove a newborn from the mother because family services needs to be sure the baby will survive and not succumb to severe neglect as the other two older children.
It apears to me that the staff members were afraid of the father because they heard he was in the group Oath Keepers and were thinking that he would be armed and willing to kill them over their actions. In fact when something like this happens people are likely to take extreme actions. Staff members will be devious in their approach because of fear.
I have known several families in this situation. The best thing they can do is get a good lawyer. Funds from Oath Keepers and others will help them get the baby returned. Then it will be up to the parents to take good care of the child.
Thank you.That's what I thought too. I don't care much about the groups he belongs to, but if the case workers are afraid of him there must be a reason.
Number 1 - Whats wrong with Oath Keepers?
Two - If you come to take my kids then you damn well better be afraid because I will shoot first and shoot to kill!!
Third - If the "authorities" had any verifiable grounds of severe neglect or abuse then they would have arrested the parents. The "child services" agents as well as the so-called law enforcement officers involved should be arrested for kidnapping.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 08, 2010, 08:55:10 PM
Thank you.That's what I thought too. I don't care much about the groups he belongs to, but if the case workers are afraid of him there must be a reason.
There is a problem when case workers aren't afraid of parents. THey should be very afraid of them especially when they try to take their children. Si vis pacem, para bellum
There is nothing wrong with Oath Keepers. The parents have already been to court several times. Once the neglect was verified the judge gave the parents no jail time but he did tell them to work with family services. Then for 21 months family services tried to work with the family to stop neglecting their children. They may have asked them to go to parenting classes, anger classes, or any number of things they thought appropriate. They might have been assigned a professional educator called a parent aide. When they did not make progress to stop neglecting, then and only then would they seek to terminate parental rights. This is done in only the most extreme cases. The courts do not take termination of parental rights lightly ( at least not in Missouri). After many court hearings in the 21 month period to check on progress, then another court hearing to terminate the rights took place. The papers say it has occured, but the judge has yet to rule.
At this sad point, family services had to make a decision to save the newborn infant from neglect and or death. This event is frequenly done in the hospital. It happens regularly in Childrens Mercy Hospital in Kansas City. I believe the court papers stating the father was in Oath Keepers was simply to let the judge know all the information in the case. Family services was noting it because they felt he might be armed.
Even though the baby is in foster care and family services has failed to work successfully with the family, the court will favor the parents rights and they will have the baby returned. I have seen it in real life.
Thank you for another well informed piece. Some folks can't seem to understand that they aren't the only ones out there and that there are indeed unfit parents. We see it too, unfortunately. We've been called to places for a fire or an ambulance call and found unbelievably horrid conditions. Floors covered in animal poop and unclothed little ones, with no diapers, crawling on the floors and either no food or spoiled food and empty cans piled in every room with trash and garbage piled high, and I do mean everywhere. Not something showing just one missed paycheck but so much junk and trash that there were just paths to move around among the piles. Social services will do everything they can to keep the kids with their families, but sometimes they have to intervene when there are severe health hazards or the kids haven't eaten for several days or are too dirty for safety. If one of those parents threatened to shoot me, well, there would be serious questions about whether they would be shot first, because one does not abuse kids around me and get away with it.
I will never forget the first dirty house I saw.
heres just one child out of hundreds in the foster care system that would say they would prefer the dirty house....
When this child died, many in atlanta thanked God that he did. At least now he isn't tortured anymore.
You know what happened to his case workers? NOT A DAMN Thing, they still work at their jobs.
Once you finish reading the story, go to sucanaa.com/in_memory_ and you will find hundreds of fosterkids that were killed in foster care. HUNDREDS of them. Not just a few accidents, but cold blooded brutal murders of children.
The autopsy photo shows a little boy who looks relieved to be dead. His eyes are closed. A hospital tube protrudes from his broken nose. He has deep cuts above his right ear and dark linear scars on his forehead. The bruises on his back are a succession of yellows, greens and blues. On the bottom of his tiny feet are unhealed third-degree burns. He had been battered and tortured. He had been tied with panty hose and belts to a banister by the woman who had become his foster grandmother. The state of Georgia had taken him away from his mother, then abandoned him in the woman's care. Little Terrell Peterson had so many injuries that the medical examiner gave up counting them. The child was six years old. He weighed only 29 lbs. The foster-care system is not working in Atlanta.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998479-1,00.html#ixzz124KATImX
Steve there are always bad stories to tell and social services doesn't take kids away for little things. I wish there would never be an abusive real parent so there could never be an abusive foster parent, but sadly that isn't the case. I wish I had the answer for all the terrible human beings out there that exploit other people for their own reasons, but all I can do is what one person can do and I will keep on doing it. What about the millions of other people who look the other way and have every excuse why they let things happen right under their noses?
Many times I have thought of the foster care system as flawed and awful. I have personally known children who were sexually abused and beaten in foster care. Religious zealots abound in foster care and want the child to be a perfect follower of their brand of religion. The abuse of underage kids by pedophiles in the foster care system is now and has been a chronic problem.
It is like any social problem. Good people have to work for the good of children in the community. There are good people in every community who will work for the good. I am reminded of the situation in Longton where citizens are standing up against the school board to get things right in the school. If they don't, the situation will go downhill and become even worse.
I'm sorry but thats not even close folks. Like i said in terrels' case, NOTHING was done to the caseworkers that let him get tortured and murdered. That is unacceptable and with them still working in the system that means its still the same.
Secondly, did yall go to the site i posteD? Its a memorial to the HUNDREDS of murdered foster children of which many of these kids were removed from a home that was not dangerous. Shoot if Terrel were left in his mothers care, he would still be alive.
And if they came for my kids when i was raising them, those that came for them would haved died. I would never allow anyone to take my children.
Why would anybody have come for your kids? What were you doing to them to cause someone to take notice? I can't imagine you would have needed to answer the door with a gun in your hands. It might not be the best situation but that's all there is right now. You want the case workers punished, but you don't want the kids taken from people who were abusive or were neglecting them to the point that someone called CPS? So what is the answer? The case workers didn't kill the kids! How about another memorial for kids who died at the hands of their own parents? I know of one those. I'm 40 year friends with the boy's grandmother.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 11, 2010, 07:14:06 PM
Why would anybody have come for your kids? What were you doing to them to cause someone to take notice?
Anything you do today can get them to show up. All ya have to have is a busybody neighbor that sees you spank your child and next thing life has gone to hell.
QuoteI can't imagine you would have needed to answer the door with a gun in your hands. It might not be the best situation but that's all there is right now.
Not an excuse. Thats a load. The problem is that no one will stand up and say enough. I just happen to be one of the few that will.
QuoteYou want the case workers punished, but you don't want the kids taken from people who were abusive or were neglecting them to the point that someone called CPS?
Come on, using terrel peterson for example he was safer in his home environment. This agency is taking kids and putting them into deadly situations. SHoot they don't even screen the damn foster parents as hard as they do parents. come on. wheres teh accountability.
QuoteSo what is the answer?
Shut it down. Its failed!
QuoteThe case workers didn't kill the kids!
OH they get a pass for negligence huh. Yet they take a child from their parents for negligence. Only in this case the caseworkers killed these children. YEs they might as well did the act themselves.
QuoteHow about another memorial for kids who died at the hands of their own parents? I know of one those. I'm 40 year friends with the boy's grandmother.
It would be far less deaths than what the Foster care system gives..
My question to you is still,.... With what would you replace the current system? Orphanages? Work houses? Coal mines? Slavery? Prostitution? I'm being sarcastic but what is your answer?
Diane, I recall that there was serious talk about a system of orphanges right before the election of George Bush.
Theres a childrens home in chattanooga tn that works quite well. All house parents are on campus and are accountable. They have a bunch of houses on the campus that house the children. These kids are wonderful and are loved. A bunch of these would work in that they aren't just tossed into a system with no accountablity.
This isn't some orphanage warehouse like in the books and movies. Fellow by the name of Pat Boone is the spokesman and sponsor of this home.
I do remember that and wondered if it was still working. Nice to know that it is.
Update:
A New Hampshire couple is celebrating today after their baby girl, who was taken from them by the state some 16 hours after birth last week, was returned to them yesterday.
Johnathon Irish, 24, and his girlfriend Stephanie Taylor, 22, both of Epsom, N.H, were reunited with their daughter Cheyenne Thursday afternoon following a closed door custody hearing.
The case gained national attention last week when the couple claimed their newborn girl was taken from them by the state because of Irish's involvement in Oath Keepers, a national group that opposes unrestrained federal authority. The state, however, cited a history of domestic violence and child abuse as the reason for removing the baby.
In case documents, the state did reference Irish's association with the "militia" Oath Keepers, however it also explained Irish has repeatedly been involved in domestic and child abuse cases and had failed to complete a state-mandated domestic abuse program. Taylor has two other children who have been removed from her custody due to similar concerns.
Details as to why the baby was returned are not available, as the judge in the case has issued a gag order.
to read more:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/nh-baby-returned-to-oath-keepers-parents/
At this point, many families move away to another location. I would also like to add that the baby's safety is now a big issue, regardless of the other circumstances of the case.
Honestly? I think they need to be kept an eye on.. Not because the man has "guns" or the way he feels about "government" or what "club" he is attached to... but on their parenting of their children.. You can be a member of any group..and have a house full of arsenal...and if you are a good mom and dad.. that is all that matters..
But I really would like to know the whole story behind this.
Yes Teresa i agree parenting is the main issue. My opinion is that it is more the mother's problem of neglecting the child's needs. The complicating issue is violence in the family. If the father finds good friends in Oathkeepers, they could influence him in a positive way.