The Muslims are rubbing our nose in 9/11
I read about the Cordoba House established in Cordoba, Spain
many centuries ago after the Moors conquered the Christians.
A cathedral was converted into a mosque and named accordingly.
A reversal happened when the Moors were driven from Spain.
Google explains the history.
Subject: Superb Statement
This is the most clearly stated, sensible, and historically accurate
statement that I've read on this issue (and I've read a lot of them).
Statement on the Proposed "Cordoba House" Mosque near Ground Zero
July 21, 2010 6pm
There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as
there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for
double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us
while they demand our weakness and submission is over.
The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site –
where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed
one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity,
passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example,
most of them don't understand that "Cordoba House" is a deliberately
insulting term. It refers to Cordoba, Spain – the capital of Muslim
conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards
by transforming a church there into the world's third-largest mosque complex.
"Cordoba," in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West.
Today, some of the Mosque's backers insist this term is being used to
"symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in
the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a
sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our
historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.
Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious
toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more
than 100 mosques already exist in New York City. Meanwhile, there are
no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia. In fact no Christian
or Jew can even enter Mecca. And they lecture us about tolerance.
If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious
toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to
immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their
intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They
should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead
such a campaign.
We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years.
Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be
built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating
surprise attack in American history.
Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba
House refuse to reveal all their funding sources. America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive
designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of
our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could.
No mosque. No self deception. No surrender.
The time to take a stand is now - at this site on this issue.
AMEN! Wonderful statement! We agree completely!
I'm glad you brought this up.
Let me start off saying Islam is not just a religion, it is an all encompassing ideology which is not considered actually functioning unless ALL spheres of ALL societies on earth are under its control!
I give you the following Islamic Sunnah quote:
"The earth belongs to Allah and should be purified for Allah, and it cannot be purified for him unless the banner 'no deity except Allah' is unfurled across the earth."
Islam considers all societies that are not ruled by Islamic clerics and Shariah law as "Jahiliyyah" societies, or ones that are in ignorance of the guidance of Allah! And that it is the primary duty of all Muslims to proselytize others to become Muslims. Quranic teachings instruct all Muslims to go beyond simple proselytization. If a government (such as the USA) prevents Muslim proselytization then it is the duty of every Muslim to make war against those governments (like the USA) until those governments allow Muslim proselytization. Then once Islam has been allowed to proselytize, Muslims are to first ask non-Muslims (that is you, my friend) to become Muslims voluntarily. If they (you) accept fine, but if they (you) do not then Muslims are commanded to forcibly subjugate those who will not accept Islam. Then these people are known as Dhimmies! (Those under the "protection" of the Muslim government) And the Dhimmies are to be forced to pay the jizyah (unbeliever's tax in lieu of Military service). Ready to become a Dhimmie ???
Remember the above Islamic Sunnah quote?
So you can see why they think they can do what the hell the want.
If the Mosque building does have a political agenda...it's a smart play. They can push it and push it with the help of Obuma and Bloomberg, the MSM and the bleeding heart liberals for a while, while complaining of intolerance, and then at the last minute decide to move it elsewhere (the Mosque) purporting to show that it is Islam which is the superiorly tolerant and accommodating religion, not the hostile American Christianity that tried to make it move. In a way, the success of this fallacy is more troubling than the construction on the mosque itself.
It is hypocritical of Muslims to demand respect while they show glaring insensitivity and intolerance by their insistance to build a mosque commemorating the 10-year anniversary where Islamic jihadists embraced the same repressive ideologies to justify their unconscionable mass murder.
So... has the symbolism been lost? Are we so mired in political correctness that we lose common decency and respect for one another??
Using the ongoing painful legacy of 9/11 to engage in a political campaign to reverse America's core doctrine of religious freedom under the guise of healing outreach and interfaith understanding is not only a provocation, but a gross insult and an indignity to the memory of those who died. Remember 9/11/2001..... remember how you felt on that day that 3000 Americans died?
I predict that after all is said and done, this mosque will not be built but, I'm afraid, a tremendous amount of damage has been done... to NYC... to Gr Zero and the 3000 that died... and to the American public... because of the liberal lacky!
....Warph
I know this is a emotionally a tough one, but how can people who demand the Constitution be followed at all costs, be so quick to toss it aside when something like this happens? People abuse freedom of speech all the time and are protected by the Constitution. People demand their gun rights, and have them, because of the Constitution. Suddenly it doesn't count because it's not popular? Is it because our fundamentalists, who demand that they must preach and spread Christianity to the masses, have bumped heads with Islamic fundamentalists who feel just as strongly about their faith, which for them is also their culture? Is it really more than just a cultural center two blocks from ground zero when there is already a mosque four blocks away? I understand the heart wrenching problem for people who live right there and lost people on 911. Is it really a human rights issue rather than a religious one? Is this a scape goat for our other troubles? It sounds far fetched but if we toss aside the constitution for this one, what's next? Dismantle all the amendments? I too, hope they can compromise somehow and put it somewhere else, but not have to resort to threats of violence and arson to do it. That keeps very bad company.
Over my sometimes colorful years of life I have encountered and been involved in various Christian groups. I am sure many for a number of reasons prayed for my soul, were sure I was a sinner headed to hell and prayed for me and sometimes preached in my face because they wanted to make sure that I heard the gospel of Jesus Christ in whatever version they were using. They wanted to make sure that I knew I had the CHOICE to be a believer or not. They wanted that so I would go to heaven, not hell.
Much as I sometimes felt they were obnoxious or pushy I never once worried that they might try to destroy me, my country or my way of life (other than hoping that I would follow the Ten Commandments). I knew that, hypocrits as we all can be, these people wanted to try to be honest and just. Being seen as a sinner is not the same thing as being seen as an infidel who is to be ultimately coerced in to complying or else having no human value. Women's issue's? Don't have time to even begin.
The mosque that has been there, has been there. That is the point. We know that mosque is a place of worship. We have a lot of questions about this new one for a lot of reason. Given the current situation with radical Islam, I believe we have the right and the responsibilty to our own safety to ask these questions. They may have the Constitutional righ to build it, but as I
said in another thread, when the principles we have established are twisted to be used against us.......it is GAME OVER Baby.
Nicely said! I hear and read all kinds of things about where the money to build it is coming from, the most recent being the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. If that fact were known it sure might answer some questions about their intent.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2010, 11:07:24 AM
I know this is a emotionally a tough one, but how can people who demand the Constitution be followed at all costs, be so quick to toss it aside when something like this happens? People abuse freedom of speech all the time and are protected by the Constitution. People demand their gun rights, and have them, because of the Constitution. Suddenly it doesn't count because it's not popular? Is it because our fundamentalists, who demand that they must preach and spread Christianity to the masses, have bumped heads with Islamic fundamentalists who feel just as strongly about their faith, which for them is also their culture? Is it really more than just a cultural center two blocks from ground zero when there is already a mosque four blocks away? I understand the heart wrenching problem for people who live right there and lost people on 911. Is it really a human rights issue rather than a religious one? Is this a scape goat for our other troubles? It sounds far fetched but if we toss aside the constitution for this one, what's next? Dismantle all the amendments? I too, hope they can compromise somehow and put it somewhere else, but not have to resort to threats of violence and arson to do it. That keeps very bad company.
Okay.... I cannot dispute the fact that they have a right to build this mosque if you drag the Constitution in on this but, keep this in mind... there is, in fact, a difference between the exertion of a legal right and supporting the use of a legal right that is offensive... and remember, this institution will be built on American grounds and the wounds are still very much too fresh to have this happen. Yes, as President Obuma said, they have the right to freedom of religion, but is it wise to build near a site which is sacred to Americans who lost their lives and the families who are still living with their grief? I think not! The institutions plans can either be delayed to allow the healing process which would be many generations down the road or they can choose another site.... preferably the upper part of Manhattan..... but there is no option or choice to speed up the healing process of all the memories of those who lost their lives and their families who are still in mourning.
Ask yourself four questions, Diane:
1) What would have been the reaction in 1955 if the Japanese wanted to build a Shinto temple next to the Arizona in Pearl Harbor?
2) Where is the money coming from and why do they want to build in one of the most expensive parts of Manhattan?
3) Where are the Muslims coming from to worship at this Mosque? This is the financial district. Usually you build a church or temple near the homes of your parishioners.
4) And last.... have you forgetten, Diane that we are war with the Islamic jihadists who did thid terrible thing on American soil?
Like I said, they clearly have a right to build this mosque but, nobody with a working brain should ever allow it to happen. Most union construction workers say they will refuse to help build this Islamic mosque and cultural center. We should demand that the Imam behind this project disclose the identity of his financial backers. And while you're at it Mr. Imam, what gives you the unmitigated gall to propose this project in the first place? Americans cannot and shall not allow this issue to die until construction is stopped and the mosque is moved to a more palatable and appropriate location.
....WarphQuote from: Roma Jean Turner on August 28, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Over my sometimes colorful years of life I have encountered and been involved in various Christian groups. I am sure many for a number of reasons prayed for my soul, were sure I was a sinner headed to hell and prayed for me and sometimes preached in my face because they wanted to make sure that I heard the gospel of Jesus Christ in whatever version they were using. They wanted to make sure that I knew I had the CHOICE to be a believer or not. They wanted that so I would go to heaven, not hell.
Much as I sometimes felt they were obnoxious or pushy I never once worried that they might try to destroy me, my country or my way of life (other than hoping that I would follow the Ten Commandments). I knew that, hypocrits as we all can be, these people wanted to try to be honest and just. Being seen as a sinner is not the same thing as being seen as an infidel who is to be ultimately coerced in to complying or else having no human value. Women's issue's? Don't have time to even begin.
The mosque that has been there, has been there. That is the point. We know that mosque is a place of worship. We have a lot of questions about this new one for a lot of reason. Given the current situation with radical Islam, I believe we have the right and the responsibilty to our own safety to ask these questions. They may have the Constitutional righ to build it, but as I
said in another thread, when the principles we have established are twisted to be used against us.......it is GAME OVER Baby.
Super... very well stated, Roma Jean.... you couldn't have put any more clearly than that!
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on August 28, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Over my sometimes colorful years of life I have encountered and been involved in various Christian groups. I am sure many for a number of reasons prayed for my soul, were sure I was a sinner headed to hell and prayed for me and sometimes preached in my face because they wanted to make sure that I heard the gospel of Jesus Christ in whatever version they were using. They wanted to make sure that I knew I had the CHOICE to be a believer or not. They wanted that so I would go to heaven, not hell.
Much as I sometimes felt they were obnoxious or pushy I never once worried that they might try to destroy me, my country or my way of life (other than hoping that I would follow the Ten Commandments). I knew that, hypocrits as we all can be, these people wanted to try to be honest and just. Being seen as a sinner is not the same thing as being seen as an infidel who is to be ultimately coerced in to complying or else having no human value. Women's issue's? Don't have time to even begin.
The mosque that has been there, has been there. That is the point. We know that mosque is a place of worship. We have a lot of questions about this new one for a lot of reason. Given the current situation with radical Islam, I believe we have the right and the responsibilty to our own safety to ask these questions. They may have the Constitutional righ to build it, but as I
said in another thread, when the principles we have established are twisted to be used against us.......it is GAME OVER Baby.
Roma Jean , you said it very well and with lots of thought and wisdom. If you look at the Muslims and their religion, does it deserve the protection of our Constitution??? They have the belief that they can beat their women, wives, daughters etc, not only beat them but kill them in the name of religion, in fact they have done it here in the states. The Muslims do not believe in the values that this Nation was founded on and they will do everything in their power to destroy it.
"Your tax dollars at work": Ground Zero mega-mosque could get public financing
As if you didn't already know you have a personal stake in the outcome of this project. Imagine, as a New York taxpayer, a piece of your daily labor being appropriated to enable its construction.
When developers get a break that's made possible with public money -- say, for a football stadium -- there is rightful scrutiny of the merits of the project, and no one is branded a football-phobe. When a developer goes into a neighborhood, acting aggressively and without regard to the concerns of residents, part of the population affected by developer's plans will often organize to challenge it. And no one gets called a developer-phobe. In these regards, the project has gotten a free pass in some circles because it is a mosque.
It should not get a pass on public money.
"Ground Zero Muslim center may get public financing," from Reuters, August 28 :
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Muslim center planned near the site of the World Trade Center attack could qualify for tax-free financing, a spokesman for City Comptroller John Liu said on Friday, and Liu is willing to consider approving the public subsidy.
It's not near Ground Zero. It was struck in the attack, by part of an instrument of the attack -- a hijacked plane. If this site had nothing to do with Ground Zero, why would Rauf & Co. be so hell-bent on planting a flag in it?
Of course, we know that's exactly the reason. And as Frank Gaffney pointed out, even Rauf had called it the "Ground Zero mosque."
The Democratic comptroller's spokesman, Scott Sieber, said Liu supported the project. The center has sparked an intense debate over U.S. religious freedoms and the sanctity of the Trade Center site, where nearly 3,000 perished in the September 11, 2001 attack.
"If it turns out to be financially feasible and if they can demonstrate an ability to pay off the bonds and comply with the laws concerning tax-exempt financing, we'd certainly consider it," Sieber told Reuters.
Spokesmen for Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Governor David Paterson and the Islamic center and were not immediately available.
The proposed center, two blocks from the Trade Center site in lower Manhattan, has caused a split between people who lost relatives and friends in the attack, as well as conservative politicians, and those who support the project. Among those who support it are the mayor, civic and religious groups, and some families of victims.
The mosque's backers hope to raise a total of $70 million in tax-exempt debt to build the center, according to the New York Times. Tax laws allow such funding for religiously affiliated non-profits if they can prove the facility will benefit the general public and their religious activities are funded separately.
The bonds could be issued through a local development corporation created for this purpose, experts said.
The Islamic center would have to repay the bonds, which likely would be less expensive than taxable debt.
New York City's Industrial Development Authority could not issue debt for the center because the state civic facilities law, which governed this type of financing for non-profits, was allowed to expire about two years ago.
Warph--You can't possibly know what's going on in New York with the mosque, after all you live way out West in Arizona and New York is right up there next to Diane. She knows what's going on, you do not, as usual. (Sarcasm dripping from my tongue and even tho that was sarcasm, it still left a disgusting taste in my mouth!)! But I don't give a crap what the mindless drone in Delaware has to say. Keep up the good work Warph. I love all of your posts!
MR. KSH
KS, I hope you bite that forked tongue of yours! I was simply posing questions for consideration! I'm not for the cultural center. I, like a lot of others wonder what is really going on. I am hardly a "mindless drone" and you know it. I think for myself after listening and reading a lot of points of view. Why are you hurling insults at me? It makes you appear very crude, rude and ridiculous. You hate me so much you are no longer able to be objective about anything I say, so you aren't really reading it. Why don't you go protest the Muslim prayer room at the pentagon? It was hit on 911 too. I could say plenty more but my Christian up bringing won't allow it. Like I said once before, people's insecurities are their own problem, not mine.
Warph, you don't have to convince me. Unfortunately the examples people keep giving won't wash. The Arizona is a national park site, so the Japanese nor anyone would else would be building anything there. It's part of a Naval Base. It's not private property. I'm concerned how much of the Constitution we are willing to give up over this. It is a very unpopular project, but it is private property. Why are they allowed to buy it in the first place? Why is someone willing to finance it? Money! Money will trump emotions every time.
Are we going to formally declare war on an entire religion over this? Then let's stop beating around the bush and say so, bring our troops home from trying to win the hearts and minds of people we supposedly hate, in countries that are almost all Muslim, our declared enemies. Why are we still there? Why do we feel obligated to help the people or rebuild? They are just Muslims, why bother. Why do we care if they like us or not? Oil! That's why! It's all about big business. It's costing huge amounts of money to run a war during a very bad economy. That seems to be an enormous double standard that could get more people killed if it gets out of hand. Get out the "Fema Camps," round up all the Muslims and lock them up. If we could do it to Japanese Americans, Italian Americans and a few German Americans during war then, why not Muslim Americans now?
There is a group that is convinced Pres. Bush arranged 911 to keep his father happy, so he could declare war and make up for the fact that his father didn't go after Sadam when he had the chance during Desert Storm. They believe the buildings were prewired with bombs set to go off when the planes hit. They honestly don't think that just the planes hitting could have caused the buildings to collapse the way they did. Should we believe them? Then there are some that don't think a plane hit the pentagon.They think the place was bombed from the inside. These people believe these things with just as much depth and passion as people who believe that all Muslims world wide are sworn to kill Americans. (even American Black Muslims?) Oil. That's why we play footsies with Muslim countries. They have it, we want it and they don't have to sell it to us. What does that have to do with the Cultural center in NYC? Black mail perhaps?
Oh, and the other thing I meant to say and forgot. In terms of wives and children being abused and beaten. How many people of other faiths do that on a regular basis? I wish is it really was only Muslims who do that, but we all know that isn't true. Nothing like beating the crap out of a wife. Shouldn't we all stand up against that?
WOW, I assume from that statement that Al beats you regularly, I can understand that. In 46 years of marriage, I have never touched my wife in anyway but to help her or let her know I love her. Beating and/or killing your wife is against the law in America, it is not against the law in most Muslim countries.
WOW Frank! I love it when you make such good sense and others don't. I guess that's just because I'm a stupid, imbred hillbilly who beats my wife and drags my knuckles and collects my welfare to buy my crack, living in my trailer park, driving my Ford F150, not paying my chlid support to my kids all over the county...hold it I just shot the TV while I was cleaning my rifle. Damn it, I'm not going to be able to watch Nascar tomorrow. ::) Well I guess that's enough of my hypocritic Republican ways. I'll turn it back to Ms. Bertha Better Than You sitting down in the Amen Pew....
MR. KSH
KS ,big deal. You'll get what you give and I finally stood up to you. After you lied about my being a Democrat.,pro abortion and the crack about my sad situation of not having children, which was incredible low, by the way, I decided that was just about enough and decided to hand it right back in the crude, rude style you use so you would understand it. I do not remotely feel like I am better than you or anyone else out there or here either. I don't even know what you do. If you feel lesser that's your own doing. I'm very much for education and have said many times I don't care how people get it, private school, public school, home school, trade school, whatever fits. Yes, I'm well educated. My parents worked very hard so I could be and I will always be grateful for it. So What? Why does that make you so mad? I read lots of view points on internet sites, newspapers and magazines, some very conservative, some moderate and some very progressive. I try to get lots of viewpoints. I don't read just the people who I already know I'll agree with. It bothers me when intentional misinformation is written.
I know nothing about crack and trailer parks. Where did that come from? I was told that Elk County has Meth, but I have no knowledge of you being on crack ,nor did I know you'd been married before. By the way I got a message telling me you are usually are really a very nice person. I'd love to believe that but it wouldn't be easy.
Frank, I've taken care of wives who were near death from being beaten. Being "against the law" didn't make them feel a bit better or heal any quicker and their husbands weren't Muslim. It's terrible what Muslim men do, but they can't legally do it here either.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2010, 09:50:57 PM
Frank, I've taken care of wives who were near death from being beaten. Being "against the law" didn't make them feel a bit better or heal any quicker and their husbands weren't Muslim. It's terrible what Muslim men do, but they can't legally do it here either.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2010, 11:07:24 AM
I know this is a emotionally a tough one, but how can people who demand the Constitution be followed at all costs, be so quick to toss it aside when something like this happens? People abuse freedom of speech all the time and are protected by the Constitution. People demand their gun rights, and have them, because of the Constitution. Suddenly it doesn't count because it's not popular?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2010, 08:51:41 PM
Oh, and the other thing I meant to say and forgot. In terms of wives and children being abused and beaten. How many people of other faiths do that on a regular basis? I wish is it really was only Muslims who do that, but we all know that isn't true. Nothing like beating the crap out of a wife. Shouldn't we all stand up against that?
First of all, no one is denying muslims their freedom of religion, no one is saying that they can't worship however they want, so the constitution isn't being denied. However, in the case of islam, the constitution SHOULD be denied simply based on the fact that Islamic law wouldn't allow the constitution to stand.
You say that it isn't legal for muslims to beat their wives/daughters and that members of other religions also beat their wives, at thats true. However, Islam is the only religion that CALLS for the beatings and honor killings. So the comparison you stated doesn't hold water.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 28, 2010, 08:34:21 PM
Warph, you don't have to convince me. Unfortunately the examples people keep giving won't wash. The Arizona is a national park site, so the Japanese nor anyone would else would be building anything there.
OMG, you totally missed the point on that one. BTW, the USS Arizona memorial wasn't even dedicated until 1962..twenty one years after it was hit.
Maxine and I have listened to this long enough. We are tired of Diane and her self imposed comments on this post. Diane, if you think that being a Muslim is so great please exit to their country and live their ways. Frank and KsHillbilly are correct. If Al does not beat you maybe he should for some the the comments you have made against the people on this forum. You are always against everything anyone says. At least the people on here are Americans and are speaking their mind on a subject that is close to all of our hearts. In closing, if you do not like the people that are making comments on here maybe it is time you to leave the forum.
A big Hello to everyone in Howard, Frank and Warph glad to see you are all still here.
Maude and Maxine living,laughing and loving life.
Varmt You also left out my statement that Pearl Harbor was a Navy Base during all of that time. It wasn't private property so they wouldn't have allowed it either.
Maxine, I wouldn't have expected any less from you. Nobody makes you read me so don't, problem solved. I am Not "against " any body on this forum. I just decided to defend myself from the tirades that go on and on from a few. I don't have to put up with it. I am not "defending" middle east Muslims and you know it. "Like" the people on the forum as nothing to do with it. Political forums are about issues and aren't supposed to be personal, but there are some on here that can't do anything but attack the writer if there is a difference of opinion or more facts that weren't mentioned. So I figured what the heck, they are allowed to attack me for laying out ideas for discussion, so I'll demand the same privilege. Of course they don't like it. I've tried to stop them several time and agreed not talk mean if they stop too, but they won't. So be it.They have chased several very nice people off here, but I won't be one of them. So instead of questioning and discussing the soundness of ideas we'll continue to throw rocks.
Chuck Baldwin actually stated yesterday that Arizona has sent John Mc Cain back to congress. WARPH will have to speak for it ,but I thought he just won the primary. CB is also recommending a "Patrick Henry" style uprising. What good would that do? Thank goodness most people aren't that easily led. There are no British soldiers here to fight, and it would do nothing to help the economy. So throw all the rocks you want. I never suggested that anybody out there beats their wives, so stop digging for dirt. All you'll do is get dirty and look foolish. So Al should beat me? Nice attitude for a bunch of born again Christians. Not.
Interesting stuff Elk county. I took a little vacation this weekend and I come back to see this. I'm not speaking about the typical anti-muslim rhetoric, I don't care. But it saddens me to see a group of people from a place that I love so much sit around and pick on someone because she has the courage to state her opinion in the face of such hateful and vitriolic people.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Turnabout is fair play, Anmar.
That's ok Anmar.I went back through a lot of old posts today and I've never seen such a bunch of twists and turns and outright lies about me and what I have supposedly said. You'd think they were a bunch of politicians! I told one person he was ACTING like an inbred hillbilly, (not that he WAS one and there is a difference) and now I'm supposed to have called all Kansans inbred hillbillies. I guess they think nobody ever goes back to see who said what. I've been credited with a number of things other people saidand had my words twisted into somethings they neverwere.I tried for a long time not to get in the mental gutter with them but they picked and picked until I gave up. I was told to suck it up and deal with it ,but I guess they have different rules and keep notes books full of percieved slights so they can always say its "paybacks." Now if I were to say someone is "acting ignorant" they truely don't know the difference between "acting ignorant" and "being ignorant. So, now they think they have free reign for ugly personal frontal assalts because its just a pay back ,but I'm not allowed the same.
Al should beat me for speaking my mind and not allowing myself to be intimidated? Are they really proud of that? Are those few trying to prove that they really are what they pretend I said they are? They don't scare me at all. I don't know how they can turn my truthful statement that some women in this country, other than Muslims are beaten by their husbands and it's an issue that should be addressed, into a statement that I think Kansans, especially Frank, beat their wives? I just have to shake my head in disbelief. Why would they think that? Is it really an issue out there and I didn't know about it? Have those few few comlpetely lost their objectivity? Why read me at all? They know they won't like what I say.Yet they come back over and over to attack me for being brave enough to stand up to them. People will tune in to see what's going to happen next. I'll not post for a while, have some things to do, and you can count your points and see who won. I hope it's worth it.