I'd like to submit an open letter. You're rantings, name calling, and judgmental attitudes have caused the level of discourse on this forum to dramatically deteriorate. Furthermore, Some people have decided that we should start having religious debates here on the thread. There is a forum to discuss religious matters, although it is not for debating. Many of you seem to not appreciate people who disagree with your religious viewpoints. In fact, some of you claim that the majority of self-proclaimed Christians on this forum aren't real Christians. It's not up to you to decide that, and this isn't the place to try.
The supposed "moderator" of this forum is one of the worst offenders, so I encourage everyone to not wait for the moderator to try and regain control. Please impose some sort of standards on your own conduct. I know its easy to say the terrible things you say when you aren't facing the person you are spewing your insults to, but remember that there is always someone watching you. Anger and hatred feed off each other and themselves. If you can't control those feelings, you may want to take a break from the forums.
Well said Anmar, thank you!
People on the
right?
So only on the right are offensive in your view? Does not your letter express some judgment as well?
While your open letter is on point in some respects, your not so subtle shot at the moderator reeks of the very thing you claim to stand against, I opine. As do the following quote of yours on two other recent posts. So calling the posters here 'lazy, ignorant, arrogant, idiots' doesn't qualify as inappropriate in your view? I wonder which is less honorable, unvarnished expression of position/opinion or obvious hypocrisy?
Quote from: Anmar on July 16, 2010, 01:13:35 AM
Let me add that it took me about 5 minutes to find those articles. You wanna rail on how lazy certain groups of people are? how about taking 5 minutes out of your day to not look like a moron on a public forum.
And while I'm at it, how about putting your money where your mouth is. You all are supposed to be one of the most conservative areas of the country, yet there was a thread awhile back going on about how great walmart is. How does a sparsely populated area like elk/cowley county get a walmart if people are buying american? Oh thats right, you can't buy anything made in america anymore, thats what you were going to say, right? let me save you from embarassing yourself again. go to google.com. They have this amazing tool called a search bar. You can type anything in it, and it will find the info for you. Try "Israel sells military technology to China" or "Products made in America"
I'm actually disgusted at how lazy, ignorant, and arrogant some of you are.
Quote from: Anmar on July 16, 2010, 12:57:13 AM
You're all idiots
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4101961.stm
https://www.nydailynews.com/archives/opinions/1997/11/10/1997-11-10_u_s__technology_going_to_chi.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/051111-india-drones.htm
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may252010/israel-arms-gd.php
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Israel_sells_UAVs_to_Russia_on_condition_999.html
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=776
Frankly Anmar, SixDogs, Diane (who hasn't said anything YET)---I did divulge that I believe in God and Jesus Christ, but i'm not that good of a practicing Christian. Don't know if you're a woman, man or it, but I have been off of here for awhile and I can see that things have gone to hell in a handbasket. It's funny how you say that people don't agree with US, but when people don't agree with YOU towel head, you fly off the handle TOO, spewing your hatred and ranting as well. As for the moderator to this part of the forum, I consider him to be one of my friends, Billy Varmit. As to the owner of this site, her and her family, I consider to be good friends, as well as all around good people, Christians and fellow brethren. You, in my opinion, ain't nothing more than a fly speck. Anmar, I'm not one to control my feelings at all. Apparently, you are able to control your feelings to the point where you are going to explode. I don't say NOTHING on here that I wouldn't say directly to your face. Anytime you want to meet with me I am VERY easy to find. Maybe we could open up a beer and discuss politics, but don't expect to come around here drinking no pink chardonnay. Everything that I have said has come from ME, only ME on this post and wasn't researched by Snopes, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, or anywhere else you might find morons. Put that in your peace lovin pipe and smoke it, Jackwagon!
MR. byGod KSHILLBILLY
Here's an idea. Why doesn't everyone try writing a post without calling anyone names or pointing out how ignorant they are when they don't agree with you? Might be an interesting change.
KS, I consider myself just a little right of center, So i include myself.
You must NOT include yourself Anmar. I happen to agree with Patriot on his post!!
Quote from: Patriot on July 17, 2010, 05:13:12 PM
People on the right?
So only on the right are offensive in your view? Does not your letter express some judgment as well?
While your open letter is on point in some respects, your not so subtle shot at the moderator reeks of the very thing you claim to stand against, I opine. As do the following quote of yours on two other recent posts. So calling the posters here 'lazy, ignorant, arrogant, idiots' doesn't qualify as inappropriate in your view? I wonder which is less honorable, unvarnished expression of position/opinion or obvious hypocrisy?
so I'm trying to admit that some of the comments I made were in appropriate also and you still want to argue with me?
incredible... :o
Quote from: Anmar on July 17, 2010, 04:47:17 PM
You're rantings, name calling, and judgmental attitudes have caused the level of discourse on this forum to dramatically deteriorate.
Please impose some sort of standards on your own conduct. I know its easy to say the terrible things you say when you aren't facing the person you are spewing your insults to, but remember that there is always someone watching you. Anger and hatred feed off each other and themselves. If you can't control those feelings, you may want to take a break from the forums.
So all of the You'res and You's you were contributing to YOURSELF AS WELL? Would it have been too hard to add a "MYSELF INCLUDED" in your original post so that NO ONE could misconstrue what you were saying? Because as it's written, it's just another accusatory, judgemental post....
Like the one you just posted, ks?
Wilma, I didn't start this thread so nowhere did I ever say that I wasn't going to be judgemental and accusatory. I will be who I am and if no one likes it or me, I could care less! I've been nothing but honest and open on this forum with everyone. So, try again.
Okay...
First of all, since those of US that are on the "Right" are (in the opinion of some) "'lazy, ignorant, arrogant, idiots'" let me clairfy something about the "moderator" of this board...ITS NOT ME. But hey! heres and idea (psssst...Anmar...this is mostly for you) "how about taking 5 minutes out of your day to not look like a moron on a public forum." You see, on the home page of the forum, if you'll look closely at the different category headings you'll see who is the moderator for that particular thread. For example, W. Gray is the moderator for the "The Good Old Days" thread.
I was relieved of moderating this thread quite a while ago. As for the "religious debate" on this thread I chose to put it here instead of on the Religious/Spritual board because I felt that was not the appropriate place...way too peaceful, and I didn't want to disturb that. The way I see it is that if you don't want to be a part of it then don't read that particular thread. I already told Teresa about and, so far, she hasn't said anything to me about it.
As for the "You're being judgmental" "Well, so are you" bit ok great. We are ALL guilty at some point or another of being judgmental at times. Name calling...some do some don't...snide remarks everyone makes.
KSH, you make a damn good point!
Billy, very tactful and well said. Keep up your good posts. What is interesting about some of the posters arguments about Children and how to raise them is that some of those people never had children and have no idea what they are talking about. Being a teacher is not the same as being a parent. You have made some great points about handling children and their problems.
Wilma,
I do believe you got your dander up. You go, girl!
;D ;D ;D :angel: :D :D :D
Isn't it up to us oldies to keep you younguns under control?
Personally, I can't see what anyone gets out of calling someone else names and ridiculing them? Especially if they don't know them or even know who they really are. It seems to me that they might be standing on the corner proclaiming what kind of a person they themselves are and proclaiming it to the world, or to cyberspace anyway.
That's a nice soapbox. Now come on down...
It seems to me that back in the one room school house days that some of you compliment from time to time, the teachers had to be single and couldn't have had children. Many many teachers and counselors and such today, both men and women are single and don't have children until later in their careers. Some teachers out there have "raised" younger brothers and sisters or other family members but have none of their own. I'm trying not to read between the lines there, but....Have any of you ever demanded that your child's teacher be married with children? Being a parent isn't the same as being a teacher either. Of course you teach your kids, teachers can't do their job without you, but you probably do it two or three at a time, not 28 to 30. both sides need to make an effort to understand each other How many times do I hear parents say they can't wait until school starts? and they have two! :D The teachers and parents need to be team to make things work. Don't like your school? Home school your kids. I have said many times I don't care where the education comes from, just get it from somewhere. And yes, I most certainly do know what I'm talking about. I'll be who I am too.
Diane I understand what you're saying about teachers and parents needing to work together. However, thats not how it always was and isn't how it should be.
Okay, that came out all kinds of wrong...let me explain.
Back in the "good ole days" a teachers job was to teach the basics, learn'en da kids they'er numbrs an' leeders. Not teaching sex ed, or injecting viewpoints contary to the parents or community in the name of diversity and tolerance. Nowadays, however, that seems to be the going trend (note the lower overall test scores when it comes to the basics).
In short, it is not the teachers job to raise "their" children, that should be left up to the parents.
Diane, I'm sorry about reading too much into the post. Maybe it's the lack of my edyakashun. But who the hell ever said anything not liking the teacher and maybe we should be homeschooling (in this particular thread) besides you, reading too much into something, again? Don't read what you want and between the lines and more into the subject, just to change the thread topic and get everyone all out of whack...geez.
MR
Off topic but,
It was easier to raise kids back in the day I think. You only needed one income to make things work for the most part. Now, there's no parenting because they are both off working. For many families today, you need 2 incomes. Wages have seriously declined for the middle and lower class over the last 30 years. Yet many of you continue to line up behind those responsible for this.
That's leeters Varmit. You know there have been some really odd things that parents have done that I never did understand. Back in the 70's a bunch of Newark High School parents got together and demanded that there be a smoking lounge established for the kids who were 18 and wanted to smoke at school. The parents won! Of course that was eventually done away with, but it took many years. Now we are a no smoking state as I understand you are, or will be soon be as far as eating places etc. As far as the sex ed goes, I'm not sure how I feel. If every parent everywhere always did their job and the lessons always worked every time we wouldn't ever have the problems that are out there. In some cases the parents did ask for it to be put the the health curriculum to combat the awful misinformation the kids were getting, and still do, on the streets. I know I had it in 1960. The boys and girls were separated in health class for the sex ed.unit. It was very specific and graphic and there were plenty of red faces in the room. I guess they figured if the kids were ignoring the parents, maybe they wouldn't ignore the teachers. I know for a fact part of the problem was the parents were embarrassed to talk to their own kids and didn't know what to say. That, I know has improved from the days when pregnant women were supposed to hide themselves, stay home and pretend they didn't know how that baby got there, like it was something to be ashamed of. You may not remember, but even the TV shows always had married couples in separate beds so it wouldn't suggest they were "doing it." The censorship was very tight. So now perhaps it's gone too far the other way? Schools get pulled in every direction all the time. There is a lot of "my kid is fine but you better go do something about him."
I'd still like to get my hands on the Montana actual proposed lesson plans, not just the chapter titles. Is the state school board demanding the schools teach it or the legislature or what? I'm still skeptical. What was the catalyst that set this off? Elections?
Ks there have been many many comments in many many anti "Gov't indoctrination" school threads about the teachers, the unions, the curriculum, you name it .Hunt them up for yourself. I could name names, but I don't want to put anybody on the spot. We've talked about the pros and cons of home schooling ,charter schools ,private schools and no I was never in the teachers union. (AFT) As far as taking things off topic go back a few and you'll see the comment about teachers who don't have children. I didn't start the slide from the topic, I just responded to it.
Quote from: Anmar on July 17, 2010, 10:10:50 PM
Off topic but,
It was easier to raise kids back in the day I think. You only needed one income to make things work for the most part. Now, there's no parenting because they are both off working. For many families today, you need 2 incomes.
No excuse for a lack of parenting. My wife and I both work but we still take the time to raise our kids, and have many times been told by complete strangers and friends that we are doing a good job. Our kids are well mannered and polite.