why a foreign company is even being considered for a contract to build the new tankers for OUR Air Force? How long has this been going on? I am sure this isn't the first time something has been offered to a foreign company that should be exclusively American.
Quote from: Wilma on July 09, 2010, 10:08:58 AM
why a foreign company is even being considered for a contract to build the new tankers for OUR Air Force? How long has this been going on? I am sure this isn't the first time something has been offered to a foreign company that should be exclusively American.
Then you had better not expect other countries to use American companies (which they do) to be allowed to compete for contracts.
Jerry, you are so right...The US has been supplying military stuff to other countries for years...I think the inter-connectedness of the world is part of the reason why we haven't managed to escalate into another world war by now.
Wilma, I agree. I think it is just sickening. Proven fact that America, although she may have stumbled along the way, produces the finest aircraft in the world. No other country has the same quality, percision, or ingenuity that we do.
Jerry, that is funny, it really is. Completely false, but funny. If that were true then explain to me why it is that so many other countries want our military aircraft? Why is it that no other country can produce a fighter or bomber that has any real chance going up aginst one of ours?
Inter-connectedness has nothing to do with it. The fact that no other country in its right mind would go up against the USA is more likely the reason. Name another country, besides Isreal, that could stand against us with a real chance of winning.
Varmit and Wilma I agree with both of you. More disturbing is that we would allow a foreign country, any foreign country to manufacture anything for our Military. America and Bill Clinton gave to many manufacturing jobs away to foreign countries already. Under no circumstances should we allow foreigners to have the opportunity to sabotage our Planes and weaponry.
Quote from: frawin on July 10, 2010, 07:09:34 AM
Varmit and Wilma I agree with both of you. More disturbing is that we would allow a foreign country, any foreign country to manufacture anything for our Military. America and Bill Clinton gave to many manufacturing jobs away to foreign countries already. Under no circumstances should we allow foreigners to have the opportunity to sabotage our Planes and weaponry.
Wow... just wow.
From CNN
"Russian company expected to bid on Air Force refueling tanker updated Sat March 20, 2010A new twist in the Air Force's 10-year effort to build an aerial refueling tanker may bring a bid from a Russian state-owned aerospace company for the $35 billion tanker contract, accordin... "
Jerry, is this who you think should build the Tankers. Why should we bid out any Manufacturing , we need to start employing our own people, we have given up Millions of jobs to other countries and now we need to employ our people. I sure don't think we should let the Russians build them. They should be built in America by Americans for Americans.
Quote from: frawin on July 10, 2010, 05:58:02 PM
From CNN
"Russian company expected to bid on Air Force refueling tanker updated Sat March 20, 2010A new twist in the Air Force's 10-year effort to build an aerial refueling tanker may bring a bid from a Russian state-owned aerospace company for the $35 billion tanker contract, accordin... "
Jerry, is this who you think should build the Tankers. Why should we bid out any Manufacturing , we need to start employing our own people, we have given up Millions of jobs to other countries and now we need to employ our people. I sure don't think we should let the Russians build them. They should be built in America by Americans for Americans.
Like I said... you should expect the same from other countries as well. Also, other countries whose pipelines were being built to allow refining in Texas should perhaps be done locally instead.
What country built a pipeline to allow refining in Texas? Other Countries did what they had to do to find a market for their oil. America was the biggest and the best market for their oil.
I personally do not like to listen to or read ignorance. I'm not for a plane made in Russia, China or wherever in the hell it would be made. Personally when it comes time to fix or repair, the men and women doing this job don't need a translator to read what part goes where. Is this a landing gear? Hell no, it's the throttle. Therefore, I'm for AMERICAN TANKERS!
And I'm not going to listen to somebody's ignorant ideas from Canada or wherever the hell they could get welfare!
MR. Kshillbillys
This has been going on for decades. We have several weapons manufacturing projects that occur with the following pattern:
1. Military identifies need
2. Person of dual Israeli-American citizenship working in the pentagon hires Israeli corp to do the R&D
3. Manufacturing facility build in Israel with American tax dollars
4. Israeli workers hired to produce American weapons (also paid by American tax dollars)
5. Israeli corporation sells finished goods to our military at a premium price, but they don't pay American taxes, they pay taxes to the Israeli government
6. Israel sells technology to China, India, Russia, and/or North Korea.
And your just worried about a few tankers?
Good Morning KSH, it is good to see you post again and even better to see some common sense on this subject.
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 10, 2010, 10:57:35 PM
I personally do not like to listen to or read ignorance. I'm not for a plane made in Russia, China or wherever in the hell it would be made. Personally when it comes time to fix or repair, the men and women doing this job don't need a translator to read what part goes where. Is this a landing gear? Hell no, it's the throttle. Therefore, I'm for AMERICAN TANKERS!
And I'm not going to listen to somebody's ignorant ideas from Canada or wherever the hell they could get welfare!
MR. Kshillbillys
No point in posting really, but you are ignorant judging by your remarks that you don't read ignorance. Not every post that disagrees with you is ignorance. Also, be careful treading down a path where you think everything should be made in the US, you might not like the outcome. Also, just for the record I am from the US, I live in Canada and no I cannot get welfare even if I wanted it as I am sponsoring my wife for permanent residency. I realize that you will either dispute this or not read but I don't really care.
Theres 1 liberal vote that won't be cast this election.
Dear Ignorant Jerry, I know your name. I have read your posts for a couple of years. I also know your previous home in Howard the big purple house with white trim, the garage that has either fell down or is still in the process of falling down. I know you moved to Canada. As far as for you sponsoring your wife for citizenship is that in Canada or in the US? I just assumed that one that was on welfare here would be on welfare there, unless they don't have welfare in Canada. Get off your ass and get a job son. And just for the record, I didn't say EVERYTHING should be made in the US, but when it comes to our defense program, I believe that every damn bit of our equipment should be US made, of the highest quality and I don't give a damn WHAT it costs! Put that in your liberal peace pipe...
MR KSH
I can't believe people are insulting eachother and I'm not involved. KS, I agree with you on the issue of manufacturing things at home, however I'm not sure why you have so much animosity towards other people. Maybe you need a puff on the peace pipe!
At any rate, I've always been a firm believer of buying American made products, and since we are on the subject, I wanted to link you a few interesting sites.
http://www.madeinusaforever.com
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com
http://www.madeinusa.com
enjoy!
by the way, where do the christian extremists stand on exporting defense manufacturing technology to israel?
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 11, 2010, 06:11:59 PM
Dear Ignorant Jerry, I know your name. I have read your posts for a couple of years. I also know your previous home in Howard the big purple house with white trim, the garage that has either fell down or is still in the process of falling down. I know you moved to Canada. As far as for you sponsoring your wife for citizenship is that in Canada or in the US? I just assumed that one that was on welfare here would be on welfare there, unless they don't have welfare in Canada. Get off your ass and get a job son. And just for the record, I didn't say EVERYTHING should be made in the US, but when it comes to our defense program, I believe that every damn bit of our equipment should be US made, of the highest quality and I don't give a damn WHAT it costs! Put that in your liberal peace pipe...
MR KSH
I do have and have had a job since I was 17 jackass.
Through May 2010, the US Trade Deficit is running at a 474.4 Billion Dollar deficit, on annualized basis. Again I think we have given up enough jobs to other countries. We need to put our people back to work and reduce the trade deficit.
Quote from: frawin on July 13, 2010, 08:47:18 AM
Through May 2010, the US Trade Deficit is running at a 474.4 Billion Dollar deficit, on annualized basis. Again I think we have given up enough jobs to other countries. We need to put our people back to work and reduce the trade deficit.
I totally agree. I am all for trade with other nations, but come on now, this bozo in washington needs to get off his ass and start making some smart decisions to create jobs. First thing would be to cut taxes on businesses. That would go a whole lot farther and faster in creatingjobs than just hiring everyone to work for the government. Government employees are not producers. They suck the life out of the country.
Steve, our trade deficit with China is averaging 18.7 Billion a month. Our Trade deficit overall is ruining the value of the dollar and will ultimately push the dollar down and the price of Oil and all other imported goods higher.
Quote from: frawin on July 13, 2010, 08:16:01 PM
Steve, our trade deficit with China is averaging 18.7 Billion a month. Our Trade deficit overall is ruining the value of the dollar and will ultimately push the dollar down and the price of Oil and all other imported goods higher.
I know. One of the biggest problems we have with china is they devalue the yen to the dollar artificially. And they do that so that it keeps the dollars rolling in. They are manipulating currency and if the yen was allowed to perform at its actual value, we would have a major change.
The Fed's have never been any good at creating jobs. Just going by the Constitution would do wonders for the economy.
Abolishing the Federal income tax would certainly create jobs by leveling the playing field for folks.
Of course, it would mess up the advantages of the gov't playing field for the fed's and their groups,
but that would be OK.
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 13, 2010, 09:19:58 PM
The Fed's have never been any good at creating jobs. Just going by the Constitution would do wonders for the economy.
Abolishing the Federal income tax would certainly create jobs by leveling the playing field for folks.
Of course, it would mess up the advantages of the gov't playing field for the fed's and their groups,
but that would be OK.
How do you propose to raise money for ongoing wars in 3 different countries and military bases in over 60 countries?
Quote from: Anmar on July 13, 2010, 11:31:20 PM
How do you propose to raise money for ongoing wars in 3 different countries and military bases in over 60 countries?
Its simple. Don't. Right now Afghanistan is obamas war. IT will be his Vietnam before its over with.
Quote from: srkruzich on July 14, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
Afghanistan is obamas war. IT will be his Vietnam before its over with.
I say throw some fatigues on him and plop his sorry ass over there in the middle of it. Oh yeah.. tell him since he is against guns.. tell him he can figure out a way to protect himself without one.
Quote from: Teresa on July 14, 2010, 08:21:35 AM
I say throw some fatigues on him and plop his sorry ass over there in the middle of it. Oh yeah.. tell him since he is against guns.. tell him he can figure out a way to protect himself without one.
Actually i was thinking someone should send him tickets to the ford theater.
Won't work, he took the guns away, so John Wilkes Boothe doesn't have one. ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 14, 2010, 03:44:37 PM
Won't work, he took the guns away, so John Wilkes Boothe doesn't have one. ;)
crap
Quote from: Anmar on July 11, 2010, 01:39:36 AM
This has been going on for decades. We have several weapons manufacturing projects that occur with the following pattern:
1. Military identifies need
2. Person of dual Israeli-American citizenship working in the pentagon hires Israeli corp to do the R&D
3. Manufacturing facility build in Israel with American tax dollars
4. Israeli workers hired to produce American weapons (also paid by American tax dollars)
5. Israeli corporation sells finished goods to our military at a premium price, but they don't pay American taxes, they pay taxes to the Israeli government
6. Israel sells technology to China, India, Russia, and/or North Korea.
And your just worried about a few tankers?
What an asinine boring post.... of course coming from you that's understandable. What do you call that... your female intuition or just plain PMS. Your Hamas feelings are showing, clown. It seems you left off some other countries that are doing the same exact thing i.e.: Poland, Czech Republic, Germany to list a few. Now to no. 6.... do you honestly think Israel is the only country to sell tech to those countries?? If you do, you are more stupid than I thought. Try the good ol' U S of A, lamebrain. And... oh yeah... why don't you mention Bill Clinton's give-a-way of our satellite and missle secrets to china and the millions of tax payer dollars he poured into russia. And who knows what Obama has thrown china and russia's way in secrets to get what he wants.... I know, you forgot.
Welcome back WARPH. Been missing your posts.
Jarhead I second that, I have been missing WARPH's posts as well.
You know, I was wondering about number 6. If Isreal sells so many of our secerts than why doesn't China or Russia or N. Korea or India have battle ready F-22's, F-18's, B-2 Stealth Bombers, M240B's, and thats just to name a few?
Quote from: Varmit on July 15, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
You know, I was wondering about number 6. If Isreal sells so many of our secerts than why doesn't China or Russia or N. Korea or India have battle ready F-22's, F-18's, B-2 Stealth Bombers, M240B's, and thats just to name a few?
Because the statement israel is selling our secrets is pure bullshit
You're all idiots
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4101961.stm
https://www.nydailynews.com/archives/opinions/1997/11/10/1997-11-10_u_s__technology_going_to_chi.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/051111-india-drones.htm
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may252010/israel-arms-gd.php
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Israel_sells_UAVs_to_Russia_on_condition_999.html
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=776
Let me add that it took me about 5 minutes to find those articles. You wanna rail on how lazy certain groups of people are? how about taking 5 minutes out of your day to not look like a moron on a public forum.
And while I'm at it, how about putting your money where your mouth is. You all are supposed to be one of the most conservative areas of the country, yet there was a thread awhile back going on about how great walmart is. How does a sparsely populated area like elk/cowley county get a walmart if people are buying american? Oh thats right, you can't buy anything made in america anymore, thats what you were going to say, right? let me save you from embarassing yourself again. go to google.com. They have this amazing tool called a search bar. You can type anything in it, and it will find the info for you. Try "Israel sells military technology to China" or "Products made in America"
I'm actually disgusted at how lazy, ignorant, and arrogant some of you are.
What I saw in those articles was nothing more than a repeat of the same information. In one of the articles it stated that Isreal had sold UAV tech. to russia. It was worded in a way to make a person believe that Isreal was selling tech. developed in the U.S. However, the article went on to say how this tech was used by the isrealis during combat against the sryains in 1982. Now maybe its just me but I don't remember the U.S. having battle ready drones in '82. The articles make mention of Chinas JA 10 fighter, which they claim is based on Isreals Lavi fighter which was developed by a joint US-Isreali operation, OK, great. I'll restate my question, show me the "enemy" country that has an Air Force capable of going up against us with comparable aircraft?
Oh, and as to the creditability of the article stating that Isreal sold nuclear weapons to S. Africa, all I saw was a photo of two signatures. Not a document stating that a sell took place.
Varmit, our enemies have proved they don't need an air force to hurt us. 911 was accomplished with our own commercial airliners. They think outside the box.
Thats true. But off topic really.
Air planes are off topic? That's odd. Sorry
If you'd follow the thread you'll see that it has morphed into one side saying that isreal is selling secerets and about "serious" i.e. other militarys being a threat, not terrorists.
Quote from: Anmar on July 16, 2010, 12:57:13 AM
You're all idiots
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4101961.stm
https://www.nydailynews.com/archives/opinions/1997/11/10/1997-11-10_u_s__technology_going_to_chi.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/051111-india-drones.htm
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may252010/israel-arms-gd.php
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Israel_sells_UAVs_to_Russia_on_condition_999.html
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=776
Like i said its bullshit. Where is the sales of american secret tech???? Shoot, technology from 1982?? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!
unmanned drones are 1982? ABMs?
So all of you thought i was crazy and making things up about the US outsourcing weapons development to Israel, right?
Check this out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100725/ts_nm/us_israel_usa_arrow
The Arrow program is the offshoot of the patriot missile technology that was deployed in Israel during the 1991 war with Iraq. Their army reverse engineered the patriot and using what they found, began the arrow project. Since then, we have outsourced our missile defense research to Israel. I wonder how long it will take for this technology to end up in N. Korea, China or Russia.
Quote from: Anmar on July 25, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
So all of you thought i was crazy and making things up about the US outsourcing weapons development to Israel, right?
Check this out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100725/ts_nm/us_israel_usa_arrow
The Arrow program is the offshoot of the patriot missile technology that was deployed in Israel during the 1991 war with Iraq. Their army reverse engineered the patriot and using what they found, began the arrow project. Since then, we have outsourced our missile defense research to Israel. I wonder how long it will take for this technology to end up in N. Korea, China or Russia.
Yeah, I'd have to say you're crazy if you think Israel is going to give those countries the military secrets to the AMS. The US will always outscorce weapons to Israel so get used to it. They cannot afford not to. And as your charge about Israel giving China the Israeli Lavi plans a while back on another thread is a bunch of BS. I noticed you didn't blame Russia, Sweden, and the French having something to do with the J-10. The J-10...Its fuselage looked considerably longer compared to the Israeli Lavi and its bubble canopy appeared less elevated than that of a Lavi and a F-15 or F-16, suggesting the pilot had yet to possess a true 360° view. It also had a blend mixture of Russia's MiG-23 and Sweden's Saab JA-37 Viggen, a French Mirage 2000 style intake with a center shock cone and a Lavi style tail section... the tail suggesting a possible connection with the Israeli Lavi fighter. However this was firmly denied by both parties, China and Israel. Hell, China couldn't keep the J-10 up in the air without it crashing. They had more problems than BP has had with the oil leak. If they had the plans this wouldn't have happened.
Now... since you seem to hate the Jews, I'll leave you with this.
The hard-line islamists, al-qaeda, the taliban, hamas and hezbollah and the bloody a**holes that run Iran, are people who believe that freedom is a naughty word, who believe that women are no better than cattle, and who refer to the ninth century as the good old days. It was bad enough when they used a newspaper cartoon as an excuse to go berserk. Remember that, Sport? And also do you remember their outraged of a Sudanese teddy bear? These Neanderthals actually wanted to torture and execute an English school teacher because, at the behest of a seven-year-old in her class, she named the stuffed toy Muhammad. So as long as the hard-line idiotic muslims are around, only a muslim idiot could seriously promote such nonsense. These simpletons seem to spend half their lives on their knees praying and the other half up in arms, looking to kill somebody for some utterly stupid reason. With the Arrow Missle Shield no wonder Israel is protecting themselves from these psychopathic nut jobs. The mullahs are a insanely blot on humanity. Imagine if Catholics were as psychotic as Islamists. Just having a little Jesus on his dashboard or a crèche in his front yard would be like signing his own death warrant.
Believe me, I thank God I have every reason to be grateful I was born in a country in which it's Christ's birthday.... and not Muhammad's first slaying of an infidel... that's celebrated as a national holiday. So take your loony tunes and shove it!
So you think its fine that we send American jobs to foreign countries, and you call yourself a conservative? please. Hopefully people can start to see you for who you really are.
Also, nice Red Herring. I think the forum users are a little more intelligent than that.
Quote from: Anmar on July 27, 2010, 04:31:43 PM
So you think its fine that we send American jobs to foreign countries, and you call yourself a conservative? please. Hopefully people can start to see you for who you really are.
Americans sent their jobs overseas. From buying bottom dollar items to Unions breaking the back of our corporations. If americans want jobs back here, some things gotta change.
1. either unions have to back off and be reasonable or eliminate the unions.
2. Stop buying chinese, or any other product not ameican made
3. Eliminate the massive taxation of businesses. That in itself will create more jobs than anything else. In fact, eliminate taxation of business alltogether, there would be no unemployment and everyone would be making a whole lot more money.
Steve, You are pretty on track with your three points. I'd also add that owning a business needs to be easier. In california, there is just too much red tape for the average joe to get started.
Quote from: Anmar on July 27, 2010, 04:31:43 PM
So you think its fine that we send American jobs to foreign countries, and you call yourself a conservative? please. Hopefully people can start to see you for who you really are.
Also, nice Red Herring. I think the forum users are a little more intelligent than that.
Wait a minute... I thought you called everyone on the forum "idiots" a few replies ago. Now we're intelligent? ???
Ho hum.... You are very predictable. So I take it (as most people do on this forum) that you feel that Israeli's shouldn't protect themselves from your brothers. Spoken like the big supporter of hamas and the mullahs that you are. Why don't you jump on your camel and head for Century City and tell Northrop that you don't like the idea of them butting into your middle eastern affairs. And while your there, ask how many jobs will Arrow 3 provide for americans if they sew up the contract..... I think you will be surprised.
You say:
"So you think its fine that we send American jobs to foreign countries".... What other countries are spouting about, girl? Where did I say this? Talk about a red herring. :-*