Who needs black politicians?
-Elizabeth Wright
"Let's return to that initial grievance about black candidates now running for political office, and the dire news that many, if not most of them, will not attain their goals. All of these cynical descendants of slaves will be running as members of one of the two corrupt political parties. So, when assessing the overall welfare of the unemployed, would it make a dime's worth of difference whether or not any of these scurrilous flim-flam artists are elected? Let's see what happens to the nation if no blacks end up as winners in elections this year."
Read on........
http://issuesviews.blogspot.com/2010/06/who-needs-black-politicians_23.html
I hope that nobody that reads this forum is still judging by the color of skin. What a joy it would be if everyone were the same color. Something in a shade of white, black, yellow and red mixed together. Notice that I listed white first? Isn't that in itself somewhat racist?
I think that in another 200 years, there won't be a lot of color difference in this country, perhaps not in the world. The world gets smaller every day, and people are finding out that we are more similar than not.
There are plenty of racists on this forum.
I haven't seen any racists on here. Racism is the belief that one race is genetically superior than another race.
Exactly and that is the impression some of the members give in their posts.
Liberalism has a history of racism in this country.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 25, 2010, 07:36:15 PM
Liberalism has a history of racism in this country.
scuse me while I wipe the tears off my face from laughin so hard.........so conservatism doesn't have a history of racism!?
Quote from: pamagain on June 25, 2010, 07:53:16 PM
scuse me while I wipe the tears off my face from laughin so hard.........so conservatism doesn't have a history of racism!?
Well you got jesse jackson, al sharpton, maxine waters, their racist as can be, but on the flip side there was metsger evers.... oopps he was a democrat liberal....
ummm.......lets see.....conservative racist organizations.........well first would be the KKK, New Black Panther Party, White Pride, Skinheads, Westboro Baptist Church, American Nazi Party, Volksfront, Aryan Nation.........and so on and so forth yada yada yada blah blah blah.........don't think ANY of those fellas would like to hear they were bein labeled as liberal LOL
Plenty of racism to go around isn't there.
Quote from: pamagain on June 25, 2010, 10:21:29 PM
ummm.......lets see.....conservative racist organizations.........well first would be the KKK, New Black Panther Party, White Pride, Skinheads, Westboro Baptist Church, American Nazi Party, Volksfront, Aryan Nation.........and so on and so forth yada yada yada blah blah blah.........don't think ANY of those fellas would like to hear they were bein labeled as liberal LOL
Plenty of racism to go around isn't there.
Where did you get the idea those are conservative?? Nothing about them is conservative.
But the fact is that everyone is biased against some race. Its not racism either. Too many people trying to dictate who i like. If i dont' like someone or some particular group thats my choice and no one elses. No one else is going to change anything either. One of the biggest jokes is this "diversity"movement. Bunch of wannabe pansys that think they can force someone to like another group or person just because they put them together. Not going to happen.
Pamagain, the groups you've mentioned are not conservative. They're liberal.
As for racism. the gov't schools and the NEA were early racists and I suppose they still are.
I generally dislike people because of their PERSONALITY not who or what they are LOL.
Actually those groups are neither conservative OR liberal..........they are seriously WHACKED.
"seriously whacked" - that's another description of liberalism.
it's actually a pretty good description of hardcore conservatism also
I think I would really like to hear your version of an explanation of why the KKK is a LIBERAL organization..........this has GOT to be good ( that's sarcasm since you can't hear it in my voice) or any of the others for that matter...I'll just be right here.......
Let me help you out here, Steve and Red. The Republican Party outlawed the Ku Klux Klan in 1871, the Republican-controlled 42nd Congress passed and the Republican President, Ulysses Grant, signed into law the Ku Klux Klan Act. The law banned the KKK and other Democrat terrorist organizations. President Grant then deployed federal troops to crush a Klan uprising in South Carolina and Louisiana, while hundreds of Klansmen were convicted in federal court. Eleven years later, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned most provisions of the Act. Though legalized, this original version of the Ku Klux Klan faded. Why? Because as Democrats regained control over southern state governments, they could oppress republicans and African-Americans openly, without need of white sheets.
There have been two distinct organizations known as the Ku Klux Klan. The modern-day KKK, with whom most people are familiar, was spawned in 1915 by the Hollywood epic Birth of a Nation, premiered at the White House by a Democrat president, Woodrow Wilson. Cross-burning and other rituals were actually inspired by the movie. The Klan came to dominate the Democratic Party so thoroughly that the 1924 Democratic National Convention was known as the "Klanbake."
It is not so much this Klan 2.0 that ACORN parallels as the original version. Established in 1866, Klan 1.0 was an affiliate of the Democratic Party during the Reconstruction era. Named for "kuklos," the Greek word for "circle," the Ku Klux Klan waged war against the Republican Party in the former Confederate states. Goofy titles for its commanders such as Wizard and Cyclops were intended to disguise the fact that the KKK was a paramilitary organization. In some areas, leadership of the Ku Klux Klan and the Democratic Party were indistinguishable.
Democrats used the Klan to suppress their political opposition, with vote fraud and intimidation and violence. Klansmen aimed at African-Americans, nearly all Republicans in those days, and at white Republicans who tried to help them. Once threatened by the KKK, Republicans could in many cases save their lives only by publicly swearing allegiance to the Democratic Party. According to a southern governor, "Few Republicans dare sleep in their houses at night."
"The suppression of enough GOP votes could ensure a Democratic victory," wrote one historian. "There's no question that Klansmen closely watched the polls" – easy to do before the secret ballot was introduced in the United States in the 1880s. All too often, Republican ballots were not even counted.
Like ACORN, the Ku Klux Klan operated with impunity until Republican politicians and journalists sounded an alarm. In 1869, Nathan Bedford Forrest, the KKK's Grand Dragon, ordered the Klan disbanded. Why? The national organization was getting too much attention, so Klansmen would have to soldier on in state-level organizations, such as the Red Shirts in South Carolina and the Men of Justice in Alabama. Nonetheless, most members of these spin-off groups considered themselves to be Klansmen. A congressional investigation reported that "the operations of the Klan are executed in the night and are invariably directed against members of the Republican Party."
Back then, Klansmen had to contend with a Republican administration, but now, with a Democrat in the White House, ACORNistas know that the federal government is on their side. With Eric Holder's Justice Department condoning polling place thuggery [pictured] and other illicit activity against the GOP, there is less incentive for Democrats to suppress Republican opposition by covert means when government authorities are doing so openly.
The Democrat-controlled 111th Congress has made ACORN spin-off groups such as New York Communities for Change and New England United for Justice in Massachusetts, to name a couple there is many more of these spin-off groups eligible for billions of taxpayer dollars. Once an insurgency, community organizers are now part of the establishment thanks to Barack H. Obama. To the victors go the spoils.
.....Warph
Warph.....I don't need a lesson about what the KKK is...or what they have or haven't done in the past or present.....and I don't recall sayin ANYthing about being Democrat OR Republican. I beLIEVE the comparison was liberal and conservative.
These groups I mentioned are concerned with keepin the status quo/traditions they embrace as the "law" of the land. That is the very definition of conservative. They want NOTHING changed from the "Whites on top" "men on top" "Christians (preferably white anglo-SAXON MEN Christians) on top" scenario they know and love.
THAT is what I am talkin about when I say conservative racist group.
Why is it that because I can put forth an abstract concept that has nothing to do with PARTY you all decide I'm a "goofy little girl" who needs a history lesson? Kinda condescending and REAL f-in annoying.
Pam, did you forget "sexist"?
I am still curious to hear just how/why the KKK is liberal? Seeing a whole bucket full of red herring, but no explanation.
Quote from: pamagain on June 26, 2010, 11:37:39 AM
it's actually a pretty good description of hardcore conservatism also
I think I would really like to hear your version of an explanation of why the KKK is a LIBERAL organization..........
this has GOT to be good ( that's sarcasm since you can't hear it in my voice) or any of the others for that matter...I'll just be right here.......
Gee Pam, you asked and I answered your question on the KKK.
Quote from: Wilma on June 27, 2010, 08:49:36 AM
Pam, did you forget "sexist"?
Wilma, Sexist= It means that you make a judgement about a person based on whether the person is male or female. Am I missing something here on my part?
Quote from: sixdogsmom on June 27, 2010, 12:20:56 PM
I am still curious to hear just how/why the KKK is liberal? Seeing a whole bucket full of red herring, but no explanation.
6dogs, are you out splitting hairs again.... maybe you need to ask them... http://www.kkk.com/ .... why they are so liberal, why they are liberal democrats and not conservative republicans in their views.
<shaking head...walking to the back door...Going outside to pick tomatoes and get some fresh air...>
The real KKK was created after the WBTS and ceased to be in existence after 1877. Much of KKK's membership consisted of Confederate veterans. The KKK restored order in the South. The original KKK stood for the Constitution. The KKK was great organization and today it would be described as conservative. Here's a book on-line entitled: "Authenic History Ku Klux Klan 1865-1877" copyrighted in 1924 by Susan Lawrence Davis. It's long read and very well worth the read.
http://books.google.com/books?id=rvZEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=kkk+history+lincoln+convention&source=bl&ots=PILBsa6Cx1&sig=BOofE7vCEGtDiMwcd4vtWaTbapI&hl=en&ei=3G0mTLjhLISmnQft0Y29Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
The modern day KKK(s) is not connected nor does it have the same values as the original KKK that ended in 1877. There's no way that I would describe the modern day KKK as conservative, so I believe that "liberal" will have to suffice for that group just as it does for the today's Democrats too.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 27, 2010, 04:07:08 PM
The real KKK was created after the WBTS and ceased to be in existence after 1877. Much of KKK's membership consisted of Confederate veterans. The KKK restored order in the South. The original KKK stood for the Constitution. The KKK was great organization and today it would be described as conservative. Here's a book on-line entitled: "Authenic History Ku Klux Klan 1865-1877" copyrighted in 1924 by Susan Lawrence Davis. It's long read and very well worth the read.
http://books.google.com/books?id=rvZEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=kkk+history+lincoln+convention&source=bl&ots=PILBsa6Cx1&sig=BOofE7vCEGtDiMwcd4vtWaTbapI&hl=en&ei=3G0mTLjhLISmnQft0Y29Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
The modern day KKK(s) is not connected nor does it have the same values as the original KKK that ended in 1877. There's no way that I would describe the modern day KKK as conservative, so I believe that "liberal" will have to suffice for that group just as it does for the today's Democrats too.
Actually if you displayed a modicum of intelligence you would realize that it is not black or white, liberal or conservative.... that there are various ideals that groups could fall under.
People know their people. Obvisously, you're conncected to some other kind of group.
Red thinks that most of the republican party is liberal, so i wouldn't put much stock into him/her classifying people as liberal or conservative.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 27, 2010, 04:07:08 PM
The real KKK was created after the WBTS and ceased to be in existence after 1877. Much of KKK's membership consisted of Confederate veterans. The KKK restored order in the South. The original KKK stood for the Constitution. The KKK was great organization and today it would be described as conservative. Here's a book on-line entitled: "Authenic History Ku Klux Klan 1865-1877" copyrighted in 1924 by Susan Lawrence Davis. It's long read and very well worth the read.
http://books.google.com/books?id=rvZEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=kkk+history+lincoln+convention&source=bl&ots=PILBsa6Cx1&sig=BOofE7vCEGtDiMwcd4vtWaTbapI&hl=en&ei=3G0mTLjhLISmnQft0Y29Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
The modern day KKK(s) is not connected nor does it have the same values as the original KKK that ended in 1877. There's no way that I would describe the modern day KKK as conservative, so I believe that "liberal" will have to suffice for that group just as it does for the today's Democrats too.
Funny...That's the first time that I've heard a terrorist organization referred to those terms...I've never considered the burning of the Christian cross in someone's front yard as a liberal's choice of communicating...But, whatever...
Quote from: Catwoman on July 01, 2010, 03:09:44 PM
well if you define terrorism and klans by firey crosses, then you'll have to include the catholic church and methodist church in those groups as their symbols are of firey crosses.
Not one of those crosses was erected in someone's front yard, doused in kerosene (or whatever combustable element was available at that time) and then lit in an attempt to terrorize others. If you want to argue religion then you're on the wrong thread.
By the way...Use spellcheck..."firey" is actually spelled FIERY.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 02, 2010, 01:11:11 PM
Not one of those crosses was erected in someone's front yard, doused in kerosene (or whatever combustable element was available at that time) and then lit in an attempt to terrorize others. If you want to argue religion then you're on the wrong thread.
And the kkk did not use crosses for that purpose. And yes the churches used them too. Constantine was the first. any rate, you need to go look up the history before spouting what you don't know.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 02, 2010, 01:14:12 PM
By the way...Use spellcheck..."firey" is actually spelled FIERY.
when did diane abdicate her job as the spelling nazi....
Misspelled words are a sign of ignorance or laziness. Take your choice. Which are you?
Judging from the amount of time he devotes to expounding on his particular opinions online, I'd say both. And stop with the personal attacks on Diane. I don't care who she is or isn't...Low ball tactics are exactly that...LOW.
Quote from: Wilma on July 03, 2010, 07:25:26 AM
Misspelled words are a sign of ignorance or laziness. Take your choice. Which are you?
This was too good not to point out...
Quote from: Wilma on June 25, 2010, 03:12:39 PM
Isn't that in itself somewhat raicist?
Notice the spelling of the word "raicist" ?? The correct spelling would be RACIST. So Wilma, which is it, were you just being lazy or ignorant?
I was being lazy, thank you. Check that post again. I am not above correcting my errors, especially when I am the one that finds them.
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(shakin her head she wanders off .............................) rolls her eyes at Billy ::), winks at Cat and Wilma "kids nowadays ::)"
Hey! I just saw that. That's not nice! >:( Steve, if you are going to insist on being the local authority on everything, shouldn't you be an authority on spelling too? As a computer genius, which I most certainly am not, why don't you have and use spell check? I am a very good speller, but I use spell check anyway and do pick up things some times. Occasionally I forget to check and people will catch something and I don't mind at all. BUT I really resent being called any kind of Nazi. I have been on here very little for the past couple of weeks, and that is what I come back to? Nice Kansas attitude! :P
There is one word in the English language that really turns my stomach, makes me crawl all over and I just cannot take any kind of acceptance of it. That word is Nazi. Maybe you had to be there, but there was a time that the only thing that word stood for was vile. There just aren't any words for what that word meant in the early forties and to hear it used now still turns me cold. The thought that it might return in any form is very disturbing. I don't think the people that adhere to it these days really understand what it was all about.
If you have any thoughts that it might be a way of life for you, please read everything you can find that was written in the early forties during the actual time of it and believe it. My generation is NOT lying about it.
On the other hand -
sometimes spell checker doesn't work - as with From and Form. Sometimes I'll catch it, sometimes I won't because I know what I meant so obviously that's what I wrote when I skim over what I've written.
I do object to the incorrect usage of words: their, they're, there and its, it's and you're, your and two, too, to.
I don't see much sense in pointing them out; I'm not on this forum for English education, just for sharing of ideas.
And then, again, I've been known to misspell my own name!
;D ;D ;D
Wilma -
I was posting the same time you were. I totally agree with the Nazi use.
The first house Jim and I bought was from a woman from Poland, who had had all her fingers broken several times, in several places, because she hid people from the Nazis while in Warsaw. She lost most of her family in the concentration camps and spent some time there herself before being rescued when the war ended. Made a strong impression on me.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 03, 2010, 08:15:35 AM
Judging from the amount of time he devotes to expounding on his particular opinions online, I'd say both. And stop with the personal attacks on Diane. I don't care who she is or isn't...Low ball tactics are exactly that...LOW.
Get over it, it wasn't a personal attack.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 03, 2010, 12:12:53 PM
Hey! I just saw that. That's not nice! >:( Steve, if you are going to insist on being the local authority on everything, shouldn't you be an authority on spelling too? As a computer genius, which I most certainly am not, why don't you have and use spell check? I am a very good speller, but I use spell check anyway and do pick up things some times. Occasionally I forget to check and people will catch something and I don't mind at all. BUT I really resent being called any kind of Nazi. I have been on here very little for the past couple of weeks, and that is what I come back too? Nice Kansas attitude! :P
Wasn't any personal attack, haven't you ever watched seinfeld, the soup nazi episode?
Can't stand Seinfeld. Besides, isn't it just another fictional sitcom?
The soup man was a real person with very strict "pushy" New York style rules to keep the lunch crowds moving. They fictionalized him for that episode but it really hurt his feelings.
Not personal? Steve, were you calling the other Diane on here a Nazi? It's bad enough I was told to leave. I guess I was to stay away for good? Gee thanks.
As much as I enjoy good Philly and New York Deli you better know what you want before you even go in, have your money ready, preferably cash with correct change, get your order and keep moving.They holler and yell at great rate. Even after all these years they scare me to death!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 03, 2010, 04:49:46 PM
The soup man was a real person with very strict "pushy" New York style rules to keep the lunch crowds moving. They fictionalized him for that episode but it really hurt his feelings.
Not personal? Steve, were you calling the other Diane on here a Nazi? It's bad enough I was told to leave. I guess I was to stay away for good? Gee thanks.
As much as I enjoy good Philly and New York Deli you better know what you want before you even go in, have your money ready, preferably cash with correct change, get your order and keep moving.They holler and yell at great rate. Even after all these years they scare me to death!
heh, you were told to leave? Isn't it ironic that the same people who want to silence your viewpoint are now referring to you as a nazi!
Quote from: Wilma on July 03, 2010, 07:25:26 AM
Misspelled words are a sign of ignorance or laziness. Take your choice. Which are you?
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Judging from the amount of time he devotes to expounding on his particular opinions online, I'd say both. And stop with the personal attacks on Diane. I don't care who she is or isn't...Low ball tactics are exactly that...LOW.
If ya'll are going to critize folks for "personal attacks" then shouldn't you include everyone that uses them and not just the people you disagree with?
I would say the same thing...And have repeatedly in the past...To ANYONE who exhibits a total lack of couth and ends up coming off as a base, common, down-in-the-mouth curmudgeon. I don't care who they are or aren't...All I am concerned with is that there is a fair, even-playing-field-approach to discussions on all sides. Civility is the one thing that allows us to rise above the level of being an ordinary animal...I would say that our common sense allowed that but I have found common sense to be a rare commodity these days.
Thats funny, because the only person you addressed was steve. Not wilma, pam, anmar, or anybody else, or yourself for that matter. But whatever....
go ahead Cat let me have it.................. 8)
OK...You asked for it...100 lashes with a wet noodle to all of you...!!!!!!!!!! ::) ::) ::)
HE IS NOT A KANSAN. It is obvious. :police: