Dang... Arizona is looking better and better..

[Teresa]

Dang....Their gun laws.... now this... maybe other states will follow suit..
Arizona....................


PHOENIX -- The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for reelection.

The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

It would require U.S. presidential candidates who want to appear on the ballot in Arizona to submit documents proving they meet the constitutional requirements to be president.

Phoenix Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema said the bill is one of several measures that are making Arizona "the laughing stock of the nation."

Mesa Republican Rep. Cecil Ash said he has no reason to doubt Obama's citizenship but supports the measure because it could help end doubt.

http://www.kpho.com/news/23202195/detail.html

[Warph]

Like ol' Slappy said today, "All the Obamanator has to do is show his Hawaiian birth certificate to the Arizona Secretary of State and it will be all over but the shouting."  To see how Arizonians feel about this birthers bill, (and most of them are "con,") read the comments at:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/04/21/20100421arizona-birther-bill.html#comments

[Varmit]

Arizona Rocks!!

BTW, Warph, you can't really say that all Arizona citizens either agree or disagree with this bill based on the comments to an article.

[Warph]

Varmit.... everyone I have talked to about this (all repub's and T. Baggers) think this was a STUPID move on the House's part at this time.  We need 3000 troops to control the border and what they just did was to piss off Obama and the WH and make our chances to get the troops, which we desperately need right now, almost impossible.  Very bad timing on this!  We don't need the birthers kicking up a bunch of shit right now... we need Troops! 

[Varmit]

Varmit.... everyone I have talked to about this (all repub's and T. Baggers) think this was a STUPID move on the House's part at this time.  We need 3000 troops to control the border and what they just did was to piss off Obama and the WH and make our chances to get the troops, which we desperately need right now, almost impossible.  Very bad timing on this!  We don't need the birthers kicking up a bunch of shit right now... we need Troops! 

Well Sir, if the WH and Obama fail to supply those troops because they are "pissed" it just goes to show that they are even more non-qualified for the job than before.  If they fail to secure our borders because a state wishes to actually enforce Constitutionaly mandated requirements then they should immediately be removed from office.  People that feel this was a stupid move, in my opinion, either don't know the Constitutional requirements or don't care.

Also, if the gov't fails to do its job on this then it becomes a duty for the people to carry out.  Some, like the Arizona Minute Men, have already started doing this.

[Warph]

Dang....Their gun laws.... now this... maybe other states will follow suit..
Arizona....................


PHOENIX -- The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for reelection.

The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

It would require U.S. presidential candidates who want to appear on the ballot in Arizona to submit documents proving they meet the constitutional requirements to be president.

Phoenix Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema said the bill is one of several measures that are making Arizona "the laughing stock of the nation."

Mesa Republican Rep. Cecil Ash said he has no reason to doubt Obama's citizenship but supports the measure because it could help end doubt.

http://www.kpho.com/news/23202195/detail.html

Look....  I too feel that Obama was born in Africa.  I go along with the Kenyan Legislation  that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born in Kenya.  His shyster lawyers are smart enough to cover all the bases in hiding his information from everyone in order for him to stay in office long enough to carry out the democrats objectives.  He is the TOP salesman for the democratic party.... a party that has no actual Intelligence or common sense in doing what they do.  Obama just sells the programs.... that's all!  A good amount of Obama's time is taken up with rehearsals with his speech writers on what the next speech of crap he's going to throw at us.  Think about that.  That's time taken away from normal Presidential duties.... ie: jobs; financial problems that the democrats created starting with Clinton, Fannie and Freddie; getting our economy straighten out; etc; ect; etc.

This is the one that really sticks in my craw: Health Care.  As you know, the Health Care bill was the biggest project for the democrats since Obama's been in office.  Reagan said in the 50's that the best way for Govt. to control the people was to use Health Care as a tool to implement that control.  He was right.  This bill has a provision built into it to not allow the Bill to be repealed.  It can however be amended under a new Congress, and a new President can basically do away with it.  But that needs to happen first by voting a change in control of the Congress this Nov.  I don't think the Repubs are much better but a vote against a Dem will help get Pelosi, Reid, Boxer and most of the deadbeat cronies out of there and that is what has to be done to get change.... it is a start.  

If I'm getting off track here.... sorry.  Like I said, Obama is just the mouthpiece for the movement.  It's now being called the "Progressive movement", which is in affect "Socialism".  While I agree with the need to remove Pelosi and Reid and other crackpot clowns as soon as possible, I'm afraid the water is much deeper than those two have the capability of.  I believe Andy Stern is the leader of this movement, and Obama actually works for him, strange as that sounds.  This union (SEIU) has grown nearly as powerful in finances and might, as our military.  With members around the world, it's no wonder the agenda leans so far from our constitutional foundations.  Research that the union or so called union leaders (example: Patrick Gaspart, Craig Becker) now hold positions in the White House.  Andy Stern has also taken credit for the creation of the just passed Healthcare Reform bill and is now resigning on a high note of it's passage.  We need to dig a little deeper to find more of the truth on this.  I'm not sure we have enough time to wait until November elections, or January 2013 to save our country from these a**holes.  We have real terrorists though domestic, implementing the demise of the United States and don't forgrt it.  aahhh... I love to rant!

Now, back to the birthers.... what we know right now.


Obama's Timeline on his birth:

Barack Obama Jr. is born on August 4, 1961, allegedly in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Stanley Ann Dunham (1942-1995). Ann Dunham (who understandably dropped the "Stanley") married Obama's father, Barack Obama Sr. (1936-1982), on February 2, 1961. Obama, Sr., an African Muslim by birth, but an atheist by admission, already had two children with a woman in Kenya named Kezia (b. 1938). It is likely, however, that Obama, Sr. was not legally married to Kezia (their marriage was only a tribal marriage), making his marriage to Dunham (if there was a marriage) legal. (Obama and Kezia eventually re-unite after he separates from Ann Dunham, and Kezia bears two more of his children.)

If Obama, Jr. was born in Hawaii, he was both an American and a Kenyan citizen because his father was a Kenyan. If he was born in Hawaii, Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned age 21. If Obama later became a citizen of Indonesia by virtue of being adopted by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, Obama lost his Kenyan and/or American citizenship at the point of adoption, because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship.

Although a reported divorce of Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham in 1964 suggests they had been married on Thursday, February 2, 1961, there are no disclosed records or witnesses to indicate a marriage, and Obama's wife Michelle states in an interview that Ann Dunham was "very young and very single when she had him (Barack Obama, Jr.)." In any event, Dunham was unmarried, and likely under age 18, when she became pregnant.  

Dunham is an atheist, an "Adlai Stevenson liberal," a secular humanist, leftist social-activist, and a student of cultural anthropology. Ann Dunham meets Barack Obama Sr. while both are studying Russian at the University of Hawaii. Dunham is an excellent debater at school, and excels at defending the concepts of Karl Marx' "The Communist Manifesto."

In 1962 or 1963, Obama's parents separate; his father leaves Hawaii (probably in 1963) to attend Harvard and then to return to Kenya, with a woman named Ruth Nidesand, who he met at Harvard. Obama, Sr. marries Nidesand in Kenya in 1967; they are eventually divorced; Nidesand claims physical abuse. Obama, Sr. eventually has at least eight other children with four women (two of those additional children are borne by his former wife Kezia, while he is still married to Nidesand.) Obama, Sr. does not see Barack Jr. again until 1971, when he visits Hawaii for one month; he is eventually killed in 1982, at age 46, in an automobile accident. (A year earlier, Obama, Sr. had been in an automobile accident and had both legs amputated as a result of the incident. Alcohol is believed to have been a factor in both accidents.)

The 1961 birth certificate posted on the Internet by the Obama campaign is suspected of being a forgery, based on a modified copy of his half-sister Maya's birth certificate. If Obama does have a legitimate Hawaiian birth certificate, it possibly does not list a father if Dunham and Obama, Sr. were not married. (At that time, the custom was to omit the father's name when the father and mother were not married). By July, 2008, it appeared that the forgery may have been perpetrated for the "Daily Kos" web site, by a Jay McKinnon, who describes himself as a "Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist."  

The Internet site "FactCheck.org" states that the birth certificate provided by the Obama campaign is legitimate, but it should be noted that FactCheck.org is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation, which also funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where Obama and William Ayers distributed tens of millions of dollars to leftist organizations. It should also be noted that most, if not all, of the people who have declared the birth certificate to be either authentic or a fake have seen only photocopies or scanned images, and not an original paper document.

The birth certificate provided by the Obama campaign lists the father's race as "African," a term that would not have been used in 1961; instead, it would have listed the race as "negro" or "colored." The use of the word African further suggests that the document provided by the Obama campaign was a newly-created fabrication.  

On August 13, 1961, an Obama birth notice appears in a Honolulu newspaper, which indicates that "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" had a son on August 4.  

There has been speculation that Obama was born in Kenya and brought to Hawaii as an infant, because the airlines would (in 1961) not have allowed a pregnant Dunham to return home to Hawaii. Relatives of Obama in Kenya, who likely are unaware of the eligibility requirements of the U.S. Presidency, state that he was born in Kenya. The Kenya birth speculation is incorrect, however, if Dunham met Obama Sr. while both were students at the University of Hawaii and if they did not also travel to Kenya in 1961.  

Obama's campaign has given the names of two different Hawaiian hospitals where he was supposed to have been born (Kapiolani Women's Center and Queens Medical Center, both in Honolulu). No one has been able to confirm the birth from either hospital's records. There is apparently a register of the birth in the public records office, dated August 8, 1961, one week after the birth, but it supposedly does not list a place of birth. (Note that a register of birth is not the same as a birth certificate.)  

A writer for "Online Journal" publishes an article on June 9, 2008 claiming that a research team went to Mombasa, Kenya, and located a certificate of the Kenyan birth of Barack Obama, Jr. It is unclear why that story, if it is true, did not get "traction." There is also speculation that certified copies of a Kenyan birth certificate, with embossed raised seals and with birth witness signatures, are now in the hands of three individuals; the documents allegedly state that Obama was born at 7:24 p.m., on August 4, 1961, at Coast Provincial General Hospital, in Mombasa, Kenya.  

There have been claims that Obama's paternal grandmother (his father's mother), Sarah Hussein Obama (or Sarah Onyango Obama) (b. 1922), told reporters that Barack Obama Jr. was born in Kenya, when her son came to visit accompanied by a pregnant Ann Dunham - who was very close to her delivery date. Sarah Hussein Obama further states that she was present in the delivery room when Obama was born in Kenya. One half-brother and one half-sister of candidate Obama also claim he was born in Kenya. This would be consistent with a reported stop by Dunham in the state of Washington on the return trip to Hawaii, and with the possible existence of only a Hawaiian "register of birth," rather than an actual birth certificate. The Chicago Tribune was told by Dunham friend Susan Blake that Dunham visited her in Seattle shortly after Obama's birth.  

Note that Hawaiian law allows the State of Hawaii to issue a certificate of live birth even if the child is born outside the State, provided the parents have been legal residents of Hawaii for at least one year immediately preceding the birth. Such a certificate does, however, require that the place of birth be correctly recorded. Thus, had Obama been born in Kenya and shortly thereafter brought to Hawaii, Dunham could have had a Hawaiian birth certificate prepared, but that document would have been in addition to the birth certificate issued in Kenya. Such a Hawaiian certificate, if issued, does not make the child a United States citizen; it is merely a birth-recording convenience offered by the State. If the place of birth on a Hawaiian birth certificate is later altered, the certificate could nevertheless appear legitimate in terms of format, style, and numbering.

Note that states typically have a "long form" (certificate of live birth) and a "short form" (certification of birth) for their birth documents. The long form, or vault copy, contains the more detailed information, such as the hospital name, names of parents, date, time, infant's weight and length, footprint, doctor's name, and certified signature of the doctor. In 1961, the document would obviously have been typed on a typewriter. The short form contains more limited information, and is the less desirable of the two forms when absolute proof is desired. When someone requests a copy of a birth certificate from a state (or county), the document provided is typically the short form, computer-printed at the time of the request and based on information on computer databases; the vault copy is not retrieved and examined. The short form is then usually stamped or embossed with an official seal. The document provided by the Obama campaign, whether valid or forged, is the short form.

Only a few sources have been listed here for the many Obama birth speculations; there are far too many, and rumors and stories can readily be found on the Internet. Speculation will not end until original birth and citizenship documents are released, and the likelihood of that may be minimal. A lawsuit has been filed by attorney Philip Berg (a Democrat, Clinton supporter, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania) to block Obama from running for and becoming President without first proving he is an eligible U.S. citizen; it alleges that Obama was born in Kenya. Whether that lawsuit leads to anything remains to be seen, but if the truth damages Obama, there will certainly be continued efforts by many to keep that truth successfully hidden.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, the more damaging issue may be whether he became and is still an Indonesian citizen.

[Warph]

Well Sir, if the WH and Obama fail to supply those troops because they are "pissed" it just goes to show that they are even more non-qualified for the job than before.  If they fail to secure our borders because a state wishes to actually enforce Constitutionaly mandated requirements then they should immediately be removed from office.  People that feel this was a stupid move, in my opinion, either don't know the Constitutional requirements or don't care.

Also, if the gov't fails to do its job on this then it becomes a duty for the people to carry out.  Some, like the Arizona Minute Men, have already started doing this.

Sorry buddy... the people I have talked with are well versed in our Constitution.  If you didn't know or haven't been aware, the government hasn't been doing their job since Obama was elected... ie: not giving us our troops for the border.... but you're right about one thing, it becomes the duty of the American people and the only way they are going to get rid of Obama and his peckerwood cronies from Chicago, is to vote REPUBLICAN this November 2010 and 2012.  No voting for a third party candidate for that will almost assure Obama of another term. ... for it looks like he'll have all the latino vote this time.

[Teresa]