Some in Okla. want militia to resist feds

[frawin]

I have said it several times "never has a President divided this once great nation more than Barack Obama has".
Unfortunately I think this article is only the beginning of what is to come.

Some in Okla. want militia to resist feds

By SEAN MURPHY and TIM TALLEY
Associated Press


Oklahoma City.

Bill Waugh/AP Photo
Al Gerhart, co-founder of the Sooner Tea Party and founder of Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance, is shown in the showroom of his business, The Carpenter Shop, Monday, April 12, 2010, in Oklahoma City.
OKLAHOMA CITY — Tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force. They say the unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers.

"Is it scary? It sure is," said Al Gerhart of Oklahoma City, who heads an umbrella group of tea party factions called the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance. "But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?"

Thus far, the discussions have been exploratory. Even the proponents say they don't know how an armed force would be organized or how a state-based militia could block federal mandates.

Critics also asserted that the force could inflame extremism, and that the National Guard already provides for the state's military needs.

"Have they heard of the Oklahoma City bombing?" said Joseph Thai, a constitutional law professor at the University of Oklahoma. The state observes the 15th anniversary of the anti-government attack on Monday. Such actions could "throw fuel in the fire of radicals," he said.

But the militia talks reflect the frustration of some grassroots groups seeking new ways of fighting recent federal initiatives, such as the health care reform plan, which requires all citizens to have health insurance. Over the past year, tea party groups across the country have staged rallies and pressured politicians to protest big government and demand reduced public spending.

In strongly conservative states like Oklahoma, some legislators have also discussed further action to fight federal policies, such as state legislation and lawsuits.

State Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, a Republican candidate for governor who has appealed for tea party support, said supporters of a state militia have talked to him, and he thinks the citizen unit would be authorized under the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

The founding fathers "were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren't even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other," Brogdon said. "The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."

State Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, said he thinks there's a good chance of introducing legislation for a state-authorized militia next year.

Tea party leader J.W. Berry of the Tulsa-based OKforTea began soliciting interest in a state militia through his newsletter under the subject "Buy more guns, more bullets."

"It's not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that," Berry said. "This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature."

State militias clearly are constitutionally authorized, but have not been used in recent times, said Glenn Reynolds, a law professor at the University of Tennessee and an expert on the Second Amendment. "Whether someone should get a militia to go toe-to-toe with the federal government... now, that strikes me as kind of silly," he said.

Some conservative legislators in Oklahoma say talk of a militia, which would be privately recruited, armed and trained, goes too far.

"If the intent is to create a militia for disaster relief, we have the National Guard," said Sen. Steve Russell, R-Oklahoma City, a retired Army lieutenant colonel. "Anything beyond that purpose should be viewed with great concern and caution."

Democratic Gov. Brad Henry's communications director Paul Sund also discounted the militia discussion, saying the National Guard handles state emergencies and security.

Federal authorities say that radical militia groups have not emerged in Oklahoma, unlike many other states, in part because of the legacy of the Oklahoma City bombing.

On April 19, 1995, an anti-government conspiracy led by Army veteran Tim McVeigh exploded a truck bomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people.


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[srkruzich]

And now we are starting to see what South Carolina saw in 1856 when it started preparing considering secession.  Notice, they are talking about the exact same ideals that South Carolina and 13 other states did.  This will be all it takes, the states to stand up and form a state militia to bring out people that will fight to keep the feds in control.  Will it come to war?  I don't know.  I don't believe it will, if enough states stand up and say time to go back to constitutional government.

Amazing how history repeats itself. Isn't it!

[redcliffsw]

Obama has motivated folks to research their history and the Constitution and
many are catching on and realizing that the Republican thing is hardly any better
than Obama and the Democrats.

State's Rights existed from the beginning of the USA.  State's Rights has never been outlawed.

[Varmit]

The scary thing about this is that there are those in the legislature that actually think the National Guard is the same thing as a Militia.  And then theres people like this chucklehead...

"Whether someone should get a militia to go toe-to-toe with the federal government... now, that strikes me as kind of silly," he said.- Glenn Reynolds, a law professor at the University of Tennessee.

As I recall, Mr. Law Professor, at one time in our history we took a bunch of peaseants and farmers and defeated the largest and most powerful military on the planet. 

I think it is funny how supporters of militias and such are labeled as "radicals" like it is a bad thing.  Hell, our Founders were labeled radicals at one point.

[Diane Amberg]

Who do you think that Militia would be fighting and why?

[Wilma]

Exactly, Diane.  Just exactly what is a militia expected to do? 

[srkruzich]

Who do you think that Militia would be fighting and why?

Most likely the UN troops.  Cause Most American Troops will not fire on American citizens.  So the feds will have to bring in mercenaries to fight the militias.  What do you think the russians and i think chinese have been training in the US for.

Why would militias be fighting?  Thats obvious. Because the feds have attacked the state. 
Diane you don't seem to understand the seriousness of the situation these days. 
I'll post a article here in a minute, from a expert in predicting  what governement will do.
But you had better start preparing for it.  the next 4 years are going to be really rough.

[Diane Amberg]

Can you please list the names of the casualties?

[Wilma]

If the UN troops don't respond any better than what they have in the past, we have nothing to worry about.

[srkruzich]

Can you please list the names of the casualties?

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