Army Sergeon Lt. Col. Lakin Refuses Orders Until Obama Proves He Is Natural Born

[srkruzich]

Well Lakin probably had reservations at first, like most people.  I don't know what events came to light that we don't necessarily know about that made him come to this decision.  I do know he is not doing so lightly.  His life and career are on the line.  No one in the military will stand up and refuse a order unless they are sure that the order is a illegal order. 

Ask some of the military guys here about refusing a illegal order.  They know full well what would facilitate their refusing a order.

[Varmit]

Nobody will answer my original question.  Why did the Republican Party let it go? If they were so hot to trot to capture the Presidency, they should have used that at every opportunity and they didn't.  I want to know why.  Why wasn't it illegal to put Obama's name on the ballot? Why weren't the printers who printed the ballots arrested? Why weren't the people who distributed the ballots arrested?    There is your guilt by association. Why is Lakin bringing this up now, more than a year after the election? Why didn't the Republican party start impeachment proceedings right after the election? I'm not trying to defend Obama, I just don't get it.

For the most part, the Republicans don't want to.  There have been a few but the majority of them know that if they push the issue to hard then they will be branded a "racist" by the mainstream media and lose minority votes.  For them it is not about the Constitution or doing what is right, it never has been, it is about maintaining their position and power.  If obama remains president he gives the republicans a scapegoat, they can point to him and his policies and say "Look at all the damage he's done" and shift the attention away from them and their failed policies.  You have to remember that in general, Americans have a very limited attention span and an even shorter memory.  Come election time, Republicans will say "hey, put us back in power and we can fix this mess", and they will probably get a majority back in the House, and we will go back to the same old policies that led us here in the first place.  And come time for the next presidental election, Republicans will play the same card that obama did.  They'll say that they inherited all these problems from a democratic adminstration, and a republican will gain the presidency.  Our economy will still be in the toliet, our military will still be in iraq and afghanistan for nothing.  And we will still be stuck with a two party system that has failed miserably.
We hear a lot of talk about the future of our country.  We hear a lot of talk about what we are leaving our children.  Yet the thing that no one wants to admit is that our childrens future is royally screwed.  We are over 12 trillion in debt, and rising.  We will never pay that off, ever.  Our freedoms are being stripped away on an almost daily basis and we sit back and allow it to happen.  The question is why?  I say it is because a majority of americans have never had to fight for anything, it has always been given to them.  And those that have had to fight have lost the stomach for it.  No one wants to admit that the only way to save the last bastion of freedom on the planet is by employing the same forces that birthed it.  Our Founders knew this.  These men that we place on high pedestals knew that King George wasn't going to change his mind or policies just because the colonies protested.  They knew that the only way freedom can be gained and protected was through violence and bloodshed.  People that would be free must be willing to sacriface everything for that freedom, thats what makes it so special and sacred.  As a country we have lost that mindset.  We have exchanged it for one that sees the ballot box as our only means of defense. 
"Vote the bastards out!" has become the mantra of those seeking change.  Even now, with the Tea Party movement growing everyday, what is the message that Washington hears?..."Wait until November, we'll show you!!"  Really?  Will anything really change?  I mean, I applaud their efforts but lets be honest, Washington hasn't listened in over 200 years, what makes these people think that they'll start listening now?  The ballot box only does one thing, it exhanges one set of problems for another.  As evidenced by our history. 
With each new election the only real change we see is a growth of government and more loss of liberty.  And yet, like a bunch of lemmings, we still pursue the same line of action thinking things will change, by it very definition thats insanity. 
When Patrick Henry gave his Liberty or Death speech the country faced the things we do now.  Our protests are mocked, our petitions laughed at, our pleas are scorned.  What other recourse do we have?
If those in power chose not to hear our voices, then they must be made to hear the thundering of our rifles.

[Diane Amberg]

So then the founding fathers were wrong? They set the 200+ year old Gov't on the road to failure? If they didn't listen to you then and still don't, what's the point? Children of the corn?  Kill Congress every 4 years and put in new? If you (plural) "take" Washington by force and by weapon, you'll only keep it by weapon, and that is also the end of the republic and liberty as we know it .  What if you lose? What is your exit plan? Will we be some hybrid of Thailand and Cuba? Will the presidency no longer exist?
 As far as  your kids' futures go, I'm sure they will deal with it in their own way, just like we did, and our parents did. (I notice nobody talks about the bailout money that IS being paid back by the bailout banks.)  Yes, I agree there is a see saw effect that goes on between and among the parties. That's why I'm a stubborn Independent.
Ok, so you wipe out Washington, then what. You have littered the Capitol steps with dead bodies then what? Is your blood lust quenched? Ya gonna open the treasury and give all the money back to the states? How?  Who is authorised to do it? How do you decide which state gets how much? I don't know what guide lines you'll use for that. Are you going to engage us immediately in a war with whomever you are mad at ? How will you pay for it?
Talk is cheap and spitting is easy. I really wonder how many of those "fist in the air people" would be willing to fire the first shot. Really, I hope I don't sound like I'm picking on you because you did answer my question, but I just can't agree that trying to take Washington by force sends the message you think it does. There is another under current out there that would like to sneak in when they think you aren't looking.They want another Civil War so the south can win this time.
I'm just doing some free thinking and tossing out ideas. I don't know if some of venom on the phone tapes that are being played on TV are just alcohol bravery or what, but it's very concerning . Some nut case will eventually shoot someone and you all will get the blame for inciting it, and once again Americans will be killing Americans. I just don't think that's what the founder fathers had in mind. Like it or not, the members of congress were elected. Why kill them?
   Why not just buy them off like everyone else is accused of doing. Get to the Americans with money. Buy a lobbyist. Go for the egos. Speak the language you think they understand. Going at it like playground bullies probably isn't the way.

[Varmit]

No. The founders set us on a course, that if held true, would ensure freedom.  But our compass no longer works and we continue to get further and further off course.  You say that if we take washington by force we can only keep it by force.  How do you think washington maintains its power?...By the threat of force. 
In order to change our direction and set this country back on track we have to elimate the "something for nothing" mindset.  That won't come easily.  It means tearing everything down and starting over.  Rebuilding on the principles of the Founders and the Constitution.  That means no more welfare for those that can work, no more letting politicans get away with murder while the rest of us tow the line,  it means getting back to the belief that we cannot seperate Christan morals and values from our laws. 
As far as redistributing everything, we would have to count it as a loss.  Like I said, start over.  In the event of another Civil War or Revolution the events that must follow the first shots would provide an oppurtuinity to seperate the wheat from the chaff as it were.  Folks would be made to fend for themselves for a change.  There could be no more fence riders, people would be forced to choose sides, there would be no more going along to get along.  Which is what has led us to the point we are at now.

[Diane Amberg]

Do you think the big business interests that have massive amounts of money will let that happen?

[jerry wagner]

There could be no more fence riders, people would be forced to choose sides, there would be no more going along to get along.  Which is what has led us to the point we are at now.

So essentially, the United Fascist of America under Varmit.... either you agree or you are out.

[srkruzich]

Obviously Jerry you do not understand what fascism is about.  Secondly, you seem to support the communist ideals of screwing peter to pay paul.  That and any derivative of communism  has been proven to not work either.   
Third, this country is not a democracy, nor has it ever been.  So your mob rule ideology is way out of line.  LOL even the most liberal liberal in 1776 is a far right conservative compared to todays liberal.

[Varmit]

So essentially, the United Fascist of America under Varmit.... either you agree or you are out.

What part of " Rebuilding on the principles of the Founders and the Constitution" didn't you understand??

[srkruzich]

What part of " Rebuilding on the principles of the Founders and the Constitution" didn't you understand??

That scares the hell out of him, cause thier principles do not coincide with his.

[Varmit]

Do you think the big business interests that have massive amounts of money will let that happen?

Actually, I think that most, not all, but most would.  It would mean a business enviroment with a lot less government interference, which would mean even more money for them.