Up Next: Open Gays In The Military And Amnesty For Illegals

[larryJ]

Sitting here reading this thread this morning made me think.  (I know, you smell something burning.)  I wonder how today's military medics handle things in a war zone.  Back when, like as been mentioned, we didn't worry about HIV or anything like that.  But, in a combat situation, medics don't wash their hands between wounded patients and I am pretty sure they don't carry a supply of gloves (or maybe they do).  It would be interesting to know how today's medics handle that situation. 

Larryj

[jarhead]

Sitting here reading this thread this morning made me think.  (I know, you smell something burning.)  I wonder how today's military medics handle things in a war zone.  Back when, like as been mentioned, we didn't worry about HIV or anything like that.  But, in a combat situation, medics don't wash their hands between wounded patients and I am pretty sure they don't carry a supply of gloves (or maybe they do).  It would be interesting to know how today's medics handle that situation. 

Larryj

[jarhead]

Whoops, I messed up on Larry's quote
Larry, I would say a medic /Corpsman would do the same thing they did back in our days. When the call came for "CORPSMAN UP " the Doc didn't even think about rubber gloves , even if they had of had them. He did what it took to keep the boy alive and with the HIV that's out there today is just one more reason to keep gays out of the military and before Jerry jumps in here and tells me straight guys can have HIV , I know that, but not at such a high rate. Crap Larry, we need to change the subject before the ol PTSD kicks in !!!

[tdub]

                I would have responded earlier to some of these posts but of course I was busy mending my pink panties which are constantly being ripped off my body. I was also picking pansies in my garden to shake at our enemies. I'm amazed I could actually focus  to do those things what with all the lustful, sexual thoughts that consume my every moment.  With all those thoughts in my head 24/7 I can barely remember to breathe in and breathe out.
   
               Seriously, some of you are so caught up in stereotypes and generalizations about gay men that you don't ever pause to consider that we might actually be human. We have hopes and dreams just like you. We bleed and die for our country just like you. The "special rights" we want are the same ones you take for granted - life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; and the right to not lose our jobs or family because of our orientation. I do realize that if you took the time to actually get to know someone who is gay you might have to give up some of your preconceived notions. You are too comfortable in your hate and righteousness. For to admit that we are actually people who desperately love our country is too much for some of you.
   
               I, of course, have no problem with gay people being in the military. At this stage of the game on the world scene can we really afford to turn anyone away who wants to serve? We need all the help we can get.
   
               Many of your arguments sound the same as when blacks were admitted so long ago - loss of unit cohesion, separate barracks, etc. I don't understand people who shout on one hand,  "Support our troops, they provide our freedom", and on the other hand have a problem with who provides that freedom.
   
              This is a big issue with many sides to be considered. Jarhead is right about the risks of HIV - however, if I was a medic, I would treat all the men as potential risks. HIV is out there and it does not care what your orientation is.

               It would be nice if this topic could be discussed with actual facts instead of what some of you think gay men are. Very few of the gay men I know fit your stereotype. I've met some very masculine gay men and some very prissy straight men. Wouldn't it be nice if we could coexist and actually get to know each other?

[pamagain]

 Kudos tdub.....you got guts

[tdub]

Thanks Pam - I have always appreciated your posts!

[pamagain]

 Thanks

[Diane Amberg]

tdub, nice to hear from you again. Some of our conversations do tend to make people feel uncomfortable. I hope I haven't said anything inappropriate. The one girl I had real problems with, the other finally got the message and looked elsewhere and we were able to become good friends.

[tdub]

Diane - you have nothing to worry about. I have also always appreciated your posts!

[Diane Amberg]

Well, thanks.    I'm not nearly as liberal as a few want to convince themselves I am, but I'm not super conservative either. I consider myself to be a moderate who considers issues and ideas and have been known to change my mind on things if new evidence or information appears. I have stated many times that I don't like ugly  generalizations and I don't like it if I catch myself doing it either. People are people. Some are terrible and some are not, period. I think if people would take the time to learn about all kinds of people and countries and cultures, we be much richer for it.