Up Next: Open Gays In The Military And Amnesty For Illegals

[Diane Amberg]

Larry you got it exactly!  Thank you so much by saying much better than I could, what's been in my heart.

[tdub]

I had a couple more thoughts about this topic today. If DADT is overturned I really don't think anything drastic will occur. The gay men and women already serving won't suddenly jump up and run through the streets shouting, " I'm gay, I'm gay! " If anything I think there will be a big sigh of relief and they will simply go back to doing their jobs - without a big cloud of fear over their heads. Now they can really serve without the fear of losing their jobs. And if you're concerned that gay men and women are not brave, think about it. How much bravery does it take to join a military force that is hostile to your presence so you can serve your country? They have a lot more courage than I do.

[pamagain]

How much bravery does it take to join a military force that is hostile to your presence so you can serve your country?

Good point

[jarhead]

DTUB,
You are probably right. If DADT is lifted things won't change much. I just know what I read and see on the news and alot of military people say they will get out instead of staying in if the policy changes. I guess we will just have to wait & see. Being gay or straight has nothing to do with how brave a person is.
Diane,
I fully understand how being drafted could make a person feel differant than someone who joined but if we didn't have these un declared wars how is a Marine supposed to get that coveted Combat Action Ribbon and  Purple Heart's and all them other nice medals ? Without Vietnam I couldn't get into the VFW and drink them fine Margaritas they make !!!!

[srkruzich]

You know tdub its like who cares.  The problem isn't the average gay guy who goes about living life as he/she wants.  The problem is the ones who are militant about it and try to force everyone to cater to their whims. 
Like i have said before when your at work your at work to do work, not socialize. That goes for straights too. I have been in management unfortunately having to deal with all the drama trauma and I have absolutely no patience for it.  You might call it discrimination but i never allowed lifestyle into the business.  I nailed not only gay but straights too.  As a manager of a department the only thing i was concerned with was doing the job for the boss. My job was to make my boss look good to his boss and my employees job was to make me look good to my boss. The way we did that was to be profitable.  There is no place for office romances/affairs/whatever you want. 

I worked for MCI for a while in Atlanta and i thought it was the funniest thing i ever saw.  They had a blue zone, a pink zone and a area for straights.  I never figured out that scenario.  Apparantly the gay guys wanted a section of their own, same thing gay women, and the rest of the areas were for straights.  IF they wanted equality why the segregation??? I could never figure that out at all.

Now i admit i rattle cages but the truth is i don't care what one does as long as they don't affect my life or try to modify my behaviour or beliefs.   

[Varmit]

In my opinion, this isn't about the loyalty or bravery of homosexuals.  It is about the majority of opinion in our armed forces.  The troops don't want gays in the ranks, peroid.  If we allow gays to serve openly then we should allow women to serve in combat units without gender segeration.  They should also have to share the same barracks, latrines, and showers.  If that makes them uncomfortable, oh well.  Afterall, isn't that the message being sent?  What does it matter if they don't want to shower with a bunch of straight guys that may or may  not be eyeballing them? 

[Catwoman]

I've got news for all of you...If this country's borders were being attacked...If there were bombs flying everywhere here, like there are in some parts of the world...You wouldn't give a good you-know-what what anyone's persuasion was...The only thing you'd be interested in would be whether or not they had the ability to shoot straight consistently.  We've gotten spoiled in this country...We've forgotten what is really important.  You're arguing semantics.  I guarantee you...If we were being invaded, no person, gender aside, that I know would give a damn about any of the aforementioned...It would be, rather, a case of them stepping forward, shouldering their gun and asking where they were going to serve...Because...They wouldn't be there to compare statistics...They'd be there to protect this country.  Period. 

[greatguns]

Catwoman, so well said.

[frawin]

Ladies, unfortunately we may find that out sooner than we want or expect it.

[greatguns]

Frank, I so agree with you.  We may not know what hard times are yet.