I Wish Joe Stack Had Not Killed Himself!

[srkruzich]

The  IRS does not extort with the threat of death. 

wanna bet!   TRy not paying your taxes, and when they come to put you in jail then resist. they will shoot you. 

[srkruzich]

The  IRS does not extort with the threat of death. 

Also the IRS is the ONLY agency that has a PRIVATE Military that they use against US citizens. 

[twirldoggy]

If this was true then the average citizen would know about it.

[twirldoggy]

Could you give some example of the IRS shooting someone, or the private military taking action?

[srkruzich]

Could you give some example of the IRS shooting someone, or the private military taking action?

when they went after willie nelson they went in with m16's and military weapons. 

[twirldoggy]

Well I think everyone knows that the IRS can confiscate property.  They would need to be armed to do it.  Much like the police coming to a home to search for drugs.  Or Dog the Bounty Hunter coming to arrest a fugitive.  But to say they are there to shoot and kill you is false.  They did not shoot Willie.  Willie handled the encounter and went through the courts to resolve the issue.  Joe Stack  would be alive today had he done the same. According to his accountant Stack had refused an audit , then failed to file.  The accountant ended his relationship with Stack when he would not do the things the accountant recommended.

[srkruzich]

Well I think everyone knows that the IRS can confiscate property.  They would need to be armed to do it.  Much like the police coming to a home to search for drugs.  Or Dog the Bounty Hunter coming to arrest a fugitive.  But to say they are there to shoot and kill you is false. 

Oh your source for this information is?  You mean I can refuse to allow them to sieze my property and if they try to do so i can defend myself by any means necessary!??   SOrry but they do not have the right to sieze property.  4 th and 5 th amendments exclusively prohibit that action.  Period.  Show me the constitutional authority the IRS has to sieze property.
Show me the constitutional authority the IRS has to go in with Military weapons to sieze property.  Not even cops are allowed to use automatic weapons against civilians, thats why they don't have them issued to every cop on the street.

[Varmit]

So if you perceive that the IRS is an oppressive agency of an evil government then it follows that any IRS worker is fair game for murderous rage.  It is OK and even heroic to do what Joe Stack did.   Taking this thought process out to its extreme: reminds me of Hitler's thoughts that the Jews were ruining society and his actions to round them up and kill them.

Murderous rage??...No.  I don't think that is what Stack did.  I think he struck a blow against a corrupt and oppressive agency.  Much like the Founders did.  Remember when the income tax law was enacted??  It wasn't supposed to raise above 1%, where is it now? 

As for marking IRS employees as "fair game", I think that anyone that voluntaraly works for them shares in the guilt.  Using your analogy, its much like holding the entire SS membership responsible, although many of them didn't actively  participate in the holocaust, they all share the blame.

[twirldoggy]

LOL I am a bubble head and I need to move on to lighter conversation !!!

[Warph]

Will the IRS take my house? Seize my car?
Posted on January 7, 2010 by Howard S. Levy
Filed Under IRS Levies, IRS Seizures, Property Exempt from Collection


One of the most common concerns about owing the IRS back taxes is that they will show up one day and take your house or car from you.

No matter what the IRS may tell you or what you may have heard, it is very unlikely the IRS will levy on your house, car or furniture.  The assets you may be most concerned about the IRS taking are the one's the IRS is least likely to take from you.  This is important to know in negotiating with the IRS.

Last year, the IRS made only 600 seizures of houses, cars and other personal property.  In case you are wondering, 600 seizures across the country is a very low number (compare to the 2 million levies the IRS sends on bank accounts and wages – now that is a concern worthy of attention).

The reason?  If you do not have any "equity" in your property the IRS will not levy it.

Internal Revenue Manual 5.10.1.2 states that seizures are prohibited  "where the taxpayer has insufficient equity in the property."  Internal Revenue Code 6331(f) prevents the IRS from making an "uneconomical levy" – meaning there must be an economic recovery to the IRS to do it.

Examples:

Your car? If your car is worth $7,500, and you owe $7,500 on it, you are protected.

Your house? Take the value, subtract your mortgage, and reduce it further by the costs of sale.  There has to be a fairly substantial amount left afterwards for the IRS to be interested under the equity rules.

Even if there is equity, a seizure is still generally something the IRS does not desire to do.  You will need to force them – meaning a lack of cooperation after repeated attempts by the IRS to work it out.  Most seizures need managerial approval before being sent to an IRS property liquidation specialist.  Some, like a personal residence, require outside court approval (See IRC 6334(e((1)).

In most cases, the IRS is prohibited by tax law and their own internal guidelines from making a seizure when there is no recovery.  Because of that, the IRS focuses the most on levying wages and bank accounts.  Knowing the difference allows you to put your energy into protecting what really matters to the IRS.
http://howardlevyirslawyer.com/blog/2010/01/07/will-the-irs-take-my-house-seize-my-car/

Then you have this:  What Can The IRS Seize? http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/ChallJurisdiction/WhatCanTheySeize.htm

Taxpayer Rights Before IRS Seizure of Assets:  http://www.taxhelpattorney.com/articles/taxpayer-rights.html