What the Hell is Wrong with Sonoma County, California?

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Who were those people were who created the NIV?  Scholars, they are called. and it would be
a good idea to know about them too.  Zondervan must have thought them to be in line with
their own thinking - certainly to market the thing and sell the "new" bibles.  Zondervan seems to
be holding back on information about the whole NIV scenario.  

Meanwhil;e, here's a short video that points out some things about the NIV.  Since I don't have
an NIV, I couldn't check what he's talking about.

The NIV Is NOT An Updated KJV!

   

[Warph]

Since I've been away for the holidays, this has turned into an interesting thread.  Steve, you're right when you say "....that (Islam's) Allah is NOT the same God as Christian and Jewish God."
 
Question:  Is Allah of Islam the same God of the Bible?  Nope, afraid not.  Long before Muhammad was born, Arabic Christians were already referring to God as Allah and millions continue do so today.  BUT.... the Allah of Islam however is definitely not the God of the Bible.  For while Muslims passionately defend the unity of God they patently deny His tri-unity.  Thus, they recoil at the notion of God as Father, reject the unique deity of Christ and renounce the divine personhood of the Holy Spirit.

First, while the Jesus taught his disciples to pray "Our Father in heaven," devotees of Muhammad find the very notion offensive.  To their way of thinking, calling God, "father" and Jesus Christ, "son" suggests sexual procreation and according to the Qur'an: "it is not befitting to the majesty of Allah that He should beget a son ...Allah "begetteth not, nor is he begotten"(sura 19:35; 112:3).

The Bible however does not use the term begotten with respect to the Father and the Son in the sense of sexual reproduction but rather in the sense of special relationship.  Thus when the Apostle John speaks of Jesus as "the only begotten of the Father" (John 1:14), he is underscoring the unique deity of Christ.  Likewise, when the Apostle Paul refers to Jesus as "the firstborn over all creation" he is emphasizing Christ's preeminence or prime-position as the Creator of all things.  Christians are sons of God through adoption; Jesus is God the Son from all eternity.

Furthermore, Muslims dogmatically denounce the Christian declaration of Christ's unique deity as the unforgivable sin of shirk.  As the Qur'an puts it, "God forgiveth not the sin of joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this (sura 4: 116).  While Muslims readily affirm the sinlessness of Christ they adamantly deny His sacrifice upon the cross and subsequent resurrection.  In doing so, they deny the singular historical fact which demonstrates that Jesus does not stand in a long line of peers from Abraham to Muhammad but is God in human flesh.

The Qur'anic phrase, "Allah raised him up" (sura 4:158) is taken to mean that Jesus was supernaturally raptured rather than resurrected from the dead.  In Islamic lore, God made someone look like Jesus and this look-a-like was crucified in his place.  In recent years, the myth that Judas was crucified in place of Jesus has been popularized in Muslim circles by a late medieval invention titled The Gospel of Barnabas.  Against the weight of history and evidence the Qur'an exudes, "they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them" (sura 4:157).  http://www.submission.org/suras/sura4.html
Qur'an states: And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.

Finally, in addition to rejecting personal distinctions between the Father and Son, Islam renounces the divine personhood of the Holy Spirit.  Far from being the third person of the Triune God who inspired the canon of Scripture, Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is the archangel Gabriel who dictated the Qur'an to Muhammad over a period of twenty-three years.  Ironically, while the Holy Spirit who dictated the Qur'an is said to be the archangel Gabriel, Islam identifies the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus in John 14 as Muhammad.  The Bible however roundly rejects such corruptions. 

Biblically the Holy Spirit is neither an angel nor a mere mortal rather he is the very God who redeems us from our sins and will one day resurrect us to life eternal.

1 John 2:23 says, "No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also."