The Future of the War on Terror, is the War on Islam

larryJ · December 20, 2009, 02:09:13 PM

Anmar, you need to back and reread about Turkey and Islam as I did. Turkey "suppresses" Islam in that it does not allow violent teachings. Islam means "peace" and that is what those in power in Turkey want it to be. There is no room for violence from religious groups in that country. Whatever they do to "suppress" religion, works. If all Muslim countries did this, that would be the biggest step towards world peace ever taken. Our Constitution allows us Freedom of Religion and that means we can believe whatever and however we want, but trust me on this, if our government believed for one minute that a religious group was hell bent on killing people, there would be some serious moves made against that. Freedom to believe however you want to believe and murder are two different things and that is how the leaders in Turkey look at it. Look it up for yourself.

Larryj

Anmar · December 20, 2009, 02:46:39 PM

Larry, Turkey does not allow any form of religous expression. You can't wear a cross, muslim women can't wear their head coverings, nothing.

srkruzich · December 20, 2009, 03:18:57 PM

Quote from: Anmar on December 20, 2009, 02:46:39 PM
Larry, Turkey does not allow any form of religous expression. You can't wear a cross, muslim women can't wear their head coverings, nothing.

It is not a religious ban on headscarves. If you know anything about how it came to be, the elite upperclass women objected to being forced to wear headscarves. They look upon it as being backward under subjection to cruel treatment that islam so upholds. The opposition to the headscarves was taken into consideration and it was made a personal choice for women not a law that requires them to wear them.

Secondly, religious symbols are allowed. They have always been allowed. The churches can be regulated in that the islamic churchs only preach sermons written by the state. They don't give the christians or the jewish churchs any guff as they are non violent to begin with.

Anmar · December 20, 2009, 05:50:27 PM

With regards to Turkey, you guys have no idea what you're talking about....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1024544/Turkeys-court-bans-Islamic-head-scarves-universities-saying-violate-secularism.html

larryJ · December 20, 2009, 09:20:17 PM

Anmar, you say Turkey does not allow any religion. Where oh where did you get that? 98% of the country is Muslim and there are mosques everywhere. How is it that not allowing religion? I need to know the answer to that. Muslims don't wear crosses, so I don't see your point there.

The link says, "headscarves are not allowed at the universities." It didn't say nationwide. Certainly, this is a big deal for them, but it is limited to the universities. Please read carefully before posting things that are not pertinent to the subject at hand.

Larryj

srkruzich · December 20, 2009, 09:56:42 PM

Quote from: larryJ on December 20, 2009, 09:20:17 PM
Anmar, you say Turkey does not allow any religion. Where oh where did you get that? 98% of the country is Muslim and there are mosques everywhere. How is it that not allowing religion? I need to know the answer to that. Muslims don't wear crosses, so I don't see your point there.

The link says, "headscarves are not allowed at the universities." It didn't say nationwide. Certainly, this is a big deal for them, but it is limited to the universities. Please read carefully before posting things that are not pertinent to the subject at hand.

Larryj

Also there are christians and jews that are protected too in turkey. They are free to worship as they please.

Anmar · December 20, 2009, 10:06:54 PM

I didn't say they don't allow religion. I said the bar religous expression. Turkey is not 98% muslim, please don't pull numbers out of your ass, thats billy's job. The current republic was established by Mustafa Kamal Ataturk. After WW1, Turkey went from a completely Islamic country to a completely secular country. In other words, they went from the extreme right to the extreme left in a matter of a few years. Many Islamic practices were completely outlawed, even traditional headgear was made illegal. Government officials were mandated to wear western style hats. Everyone deserves religous freedom, its what our country was built on.

Extremism on either side isn't good. What our country needs is peace, and we get that by not screwing around with other people's countries. We don't ram our way of life down their throats just like we don't want them to try and export their culture to us. 75 years ago, we had no problem with muslims, Islam, or the middle east. Many of those countries were our friends, and even today many of the muslim countries still are friendly to the US. Engaging in a worldwide war against Islam would be a disaster for us. They have a large, fanatical group of people, they own a great portion of our markets and debt, and we need them for our energy needs. Frankly, they aren't even our enemies. They are Israel's enemies and Israel's problem. Maybe without our government and tax dollars, Israel will learn to play nice if she has to fend for herself.

I know I know, billy and warph are going to jump in here and say "omg, 9/11 they attacked us, they hate our freedoms" and other neocon BS. Well guys, put yourself in their shoes for a second. Imagine weekly rampant bombings of your country for 40 years, starvation, foreign political intervention, repression of religous freedom and speech, etc. You'd be pretty pissed off too. We did a lot of terrible things to those people. The neoconservative zionist elements have been in our government for a long time. People like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc. They have been conducting ISrael's foreign policy using our tax dollars and the blood of our young men and women.

Warph · December 21, 2009, 02:12:42 AM

Anmar, are you wearing a colostomy bag because you are so full of shit that I can smell you through my monitor. It is so bad that I'm afraid I'm going to have to buy me a new laptop.

According to the ECO Geoscience database Larry missed by 1%... Turkey is 99% muslim.... the remainder being Christian or Jewish.
2-1- Religion
Nominally, 99% of the Turkish population is Muslim,of whom a majority belong to the Sunni branch of Islam. A sizeable minority of the population is affiliated with the Alevi sect. The remainder of the population belongs to other beliefs, particularly Christian denominations (Greek Orthodox, Armenian Apostolic, Syriac Orthodox, Chaldean Catholic, Church of the East), Judaism, Yezidism and Atheism.
http://www.ecogeodb.com/ECO_Detail.asp?P=Population&CN=Turkey&C=TUR

Tonight, 60 minutes said that Turkey is 99% muslim. Check 18:40 into the video to hear it for yourself.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6001826n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea.2

As far as the rest of your post I don't want to comment on it. It's pathetic!

Varmit · December 21, 2009, 06:07:35 AM

Quote from: Anmar on December 20, 2009, 10:06:54 PM
I didn't say they don't allow religion. I said the bar religous expression. Turkey is not 98% muslim, please don't pull numbers out of your ass, thats billy's job.

All right, shitbird, tell me, what numbers EXACTLY have I pulled out of my ass?

How are we responsible for muslims countries that can't and won't feed their population while their ruling class sits on gold toliets?

Need them for enegry...WRONG, what we need is to utilize our own resources.

Foregin intervention...you're right we should stop telling Isreal not to hit back. Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't for U.S. intervention their wouldn't be a middle east, Isreal would have wiped those muslim bastards off the face of the earth. Think about it. Egypt, Syria, Jordan couldn't stop Isreal, which at the time was a fledgling country, yet her forces were sitting outside cairo in less than a week.

Anmar · December 21, 2009, 09:36:18 AM

Quote from: Varmit on December 21, 2009, 06:07:35 AM
All right, shitbird, tell me, what numbers EXACTLY have I pulled out of my ass?

How are we responsible for muslims countries that can't and won't feed their population while their ruling class sits on gold toliets?

Need them for enegry...WRONG, what we need is to utilize our own resources.

Foregin intervention...you're right we should stop telling Isreal not to hit back. Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't for U.S. intervention their wouldn't be a middle east, Isreal would have wiped those muslim bastards off the face of the earth. Think about it. Egypt, Syria, Jordan couldn't stop Isreal, which at the time was a fledgling country, yet her forces were sitting outside cairo in less than a week.

LOL, you're such a tool. You have no idea. The Israeli's were using weapons purchased with American money.