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Started by srkruzich, October 30, 2009, 05:41:54 PM

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QuoteNow its a hate crime to kill a homosexual.

No.......it's a hate crime if you kill them BECAUSE they are a "homo".

Y'ALL just like hollerin about somethin.....as a man way wiser than I would say............Y'all would BITCH if you were hung with a new rope :P


QuoteHey whats good for the goose is great for the gander.  IF the anti gunners want to force us to have to register then they should have to register also.

so how does this two wrongs make a right thing work out for ya? Constitutional's got nothin to do with that......

Sarah

I have to say I don't think anyone should be "forced" to own a firearm.  After all, some people aren't responsible enough to own one and some people, by very conscience, are very against owning them and that's their right.  But I don't think the right to own them and to bear them should ever be taken from those who wish to own them.

flintauqua

I agree with you here Sarah.  But, what about a convicted felon?

srkruzich

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Quote from: flintauqua on November 01, 2009, 05:13:08 PM
I agree with you here Sarah.  But, what about a convicted felon?

That would depend on the crime.  Bouncing a check can be a felony.  Are they dangerous?  Not a chance.  

It used to be about 100 years ago, and this law is still on some books that once you serve your time, you get released from prison with a gun, a saddle and 20 bucks.
Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

flintauqua

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From Steve: 
QuoteThat would depend on the crime.  Bouncing a check can be a felony.  Are they dangerous?  Not a chance.

Who decides where to draw the line?  At what level of grey do we operate, rather than solidly black or white?

Sarah

You know, I'm probably the wrong person to ask because I'm actually sort of against this back ground check thing since to me it's an invasion of privacy.  BUT, convicted felons are going to get guns one way or another if they really want them.  It's really not that difficult and yet, I've seen people who were convicted of something stupid years and years ago get turned down on background checks.  So, the whole thing over whether convicted felons should own guns is really neither here nor there because in all actuality, unless you completely outlaw and do away with every gun in the country, they're going to have them.  A better start might be teaching people about the sanctity of life rather than how much fun it is to kill someone or taking something that you didn't earn.

flintauqua

Neither Steve's addendum, nor Sarah's decision that the question is mute, is an answer to my questions:

Who decides where to draw the line? 

At what level of grey do we operate, rather than solidly black or white?

Sarah

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I did answer your question.  My answer is, there should be no line when it comes to fire arms as it's being tackled from the wrong angle.  Not every answer is always black and white.  It's a constitutional right to own them and each person should decide for themselves.  It's not the governments right to decide as government ALWAYS takes a mile when given an inch.

srkruzich

Quote from: flintauqua on November 01, 2009, 05:42:24 PM
From Steve: 
QuoteThat would depend on the crime.  Bouncing a check can be a felony.  Are they dangerous?  Not a chance.

Who decides where to draw the line?  At what level of grey do we operate, rather than solidly black or white?

Its simple, is it a violent crime comitted against another person to deprive them  of life, or liberty or property?  Then theres your line. 

Secondly,lets say i was convicted of auto theft.  After i complete my sentence, and stay clean for 5 years after the conviction, I can regain my right to own firearms by making application to the state for a pardon of the crime.   Once it has been granted, you are no longer a convicted felon!

IF you are a violent offender, it will be next to impossible to get your gun rights back. BUT you can still own a gun if your a convicted violent felon.  All you have to do is own a corporation and purchase the guns through the corporation and have them owned by that entity. 

Curb your politician.  We have leash laws you know.

flintauqua

Quote from: srkruzich on November 01, 2009, 06:52:49 PM
Quote from: flintauqua on November 01, 2009, 05:42:24 PM
From Steve: 
QuoteThat would depend on the crime.  Bouncing a check can be a felony.  Are they dangerous?  Not a chance.

Who decides where to draw the line?  At what level of grey do we operate, rather than solidly black or white?

Its simple, is it a violent crime comitted against another person to deprive them  of life, or liberty or property?  Then theres your line. 

Secondly,lets say i was convicted of auto theft.  After i complete my sentence, and stay clean for 5 years after the conviction, I can regain my right to own firearms by making application to the state for a pardon of the crime.   Once it has been granted, you are no longer a convicted felon!

IF you are a violent offender, it will be next to impossible to get your gun rights back. BUT you can still own a gun if your a convicted violent felon.  All you have to do is own a corporation and purchase the guns through the corporation and have them owned by that entity. 

Thank you Steve, that is an answer.

Now, where in the Constitution does it state what you have espoused?

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