Experimenting with Education

[srkruzich]

What is next after the deconstruction of sentences?  Explain to me dinosaurs.  Use any bible reference you want.  

My kids are so stupid I don't waste my time teaching them things they can learn off the tv.  


You have a drivers license to drive a car.  But you don't think you need to be an accredited teachers with certificate to teach.

No i don't think they have to be accredited.  Sorry but I have known too many "Accredited Teachers" that couldn't do their job!  Accreditation is a joke.  The BEST teacher i have ever had was one i had in Chem and physics class.  He made the subjects fun.  Always had something up his sleeve and if you weren't paying attention you most likely would end up with something gooey on you from one of his experiments.   Accreditation didn't give him that.

There is a big difference between knowing the knowledge and teaching the child.

Thats true.  We have universities full of those who "teach".  The ole saying those who can do, those who can't teach college courses. Its so true.
But going back to what you said, In IT industry i had to unlearn all the new guys that came into the business and teach them what they needed to know.  They come out of college  with these skillsets that are dated back to the 70's and 80's.  Most of the colleges have to reteach the kids going into colleges. I was in one college in 2006, sat there taking these entrance tests, and out of 100 people that took it, 35 of us did NOT have to take english and math courses to catch us up to college standards.  Those 35 were over 40 years old.  The rest were highschool grads.  Unacceptable.

I am talking about a well rounded education.  

Ok whats a well rounded education to you?  

I mean that you teach the student to the extent of the students abilities to learn not the limitations of the teacher.

Ok how do you propose to do that if the teacher in the classroom doesn't have the advanced knowlege?

You can't offer the unlimited supply of knowledge that an entire school can about every subject.  

Why not?  In todays education setting, we have something i never had and that is internet capability. There is a VAST wealth of knowlege to access and utilize in furthering learning.  It encompasses just about every subject a student can possibly want to learn.  From gardening to string theory, to Electro mechanical design.  Why can't we offer that to our students?  JUST BECAUSE the teacher doesn't know hwo to teach it doesn't mean we can't teach our children to teach themselves!

Yes you could handle the basics but that only gets you in the door.  You still have to get out the door.  The difference between home and public  education is the extent of the knowledge of the teacher.  The part that is the same between home and public education is the extent of the knowledge of the teacher.  

Ok getting out the door. So what if i dont' know something.  I can learn too!  My son josh, was in highschool and was studying physics and we both worked on a laser project. We both designed and built a CO2 laser.  He entered his laser in the school fair and won 2nd place.  Now i could have done like you said and let the teachers teach, and he wouldn't have gotten his laser built. His teacher had no training in that.  I didn't know squat about the laser but we both went and read up on it on the internet, bought parts made parts, blew up parts, until we both got a working laser.  

Doesn't matter what you don't know.  What matters is that you know where to find the information to accomplish your goal.

[Sarah]

Thats true.  We have universities full of those who "teach".  The ole saying those who can do, those who can't teach college courses. Its so true.

Oh that is so true.  Most college professors can't "teach".  Went through college.  They're excellent at giving lectures, but as far as actual teaching skills go, nope.  

[pepelect]

So if all you are going to do is teach off the internet then what makes you any better than any internet kiosk?  You are one person.  You would assuming you had more kids be teaching your kids.  Do you honestly think that every person that wants to homeschool has the skill set to do so?  I want to play the oboe so I read about it on the internet?  There has to be oversight.  There is more to schooling than quizzing out of the final.  Why is one person teaching 7 subjects more qualified than 7 teachers teaching one student?  Just because you built a laser doesn't mean that you are a physicist.  I have torn down a transmission does that make me an auto mechanic?  No... You are a genius if you get it back together and it works..

Just because you are good at doing something doesn't mean you know how to teach it correctly or even at all.  So if accreditation = a joke.  Then experience = putting in hours.  Just because you do something for a long time doesn't mean you should.  I have been speeding since I learned to drive that means, because I can also turn left I am equal to any NASCAR driver?  Does that further mean that I can teach other drivers how to do it?

My daughter has a question?  What happens when you are sick?  Do you call a substitute dad?  My kids seem to like the fact that they would never be late to school. 

I think we will quit school tomorrow.  I could use the help.

[srkruzich]

So if all you are going to do is teach off the internet then what makes you any better than any internet kiosk?  You are one person.  You would assuming you had more kids be teaching your kids.  Do you honestly think that every person that wants to homeschool has the skill set to do so?  I want to play the oboe so I read about it on the internet?  There has to be oversight. 

Why?  I taught myself to play a guitar.  So did my middle son. My oldest son learned the trumpet. Youngest learned the keyboard and taught himself to play it.  Granted the trumpet was painful at first but he got better and is now a wonderful player.
No teachers involved.  You see, you can learn anything you want to learn IF you know how to aquire the information to learn.

There is more to schooling than quizzing out of the final. 

agreed.

Why is one person teaching 7 subjects more qualified than 7 teachers teaching one student? 

Well generally we learn all 7 subjects being in school. So that does give us the qualifications to teach it.  I mean isn't that the point of sitting under 7 teachers? To learn all 7 subjects? 

Just because you built a laser doesn't mean that you are a physicist.  I have torn down a transmission does that make me an auto mechanic?  No... You are a genius if you get it back together and it works..

Well then  i have gotten several trannys back together.   It doesn't take genius it takes the ability to think through a problem.   Just like programming a computer.  If you can follow the logic flow, you can program a computer. Knowing the particular language like C or pascal or basic isn't important.  What is important is the flow of the logic. Once you master that, you can program in any language you choose.
Again its about knowing how to aquire knowlege.

Just because you are good at doing something doesn't mean you know how to teach it correctly or even at all.  So if accreditation = a joke.  Then experience = putting in hours.  Just because you do something for a long time doesn't mean you should.  I have been speeding since I learned to drive that means, because I can also turn left I am equal to any NASCAR driver?  Does that further mean that I can teach other drivers how to do it?

Uhmm generally if you know what you are doing then you can teach it.   Generally you teach basics, then toss them into the fire so to speak with on hand training. Let them make mistakes and then show them where they screwed up.  Its a effective method that works with most kids and adults.

My daughter has a question?  What happens when you are sick?  Do you call a substitute dad?  My kids seem to like the fact that they would never be late to school. 

You know, dad is sick, you get a day off of school.     Homeschooled kids get done quicker with their schoolwork than regular schools. You don't have to wait for 30 kids to learn the lesson.  spending 1 hour on a subject isn't necessary if you grasp the concept.
Some stuff takes memorization such as times tables some stuff doesn't.   

[srkruzich]

Pep,
Why are you so sure homeschooling isn't effective? Why are you so sure that one person can't teach 7 subjects?  How many homeschoolers families do you know? How many have failed?  What is your knowlege on what is taught in a homeschool environment. 

[redcliffsw]

Stay right in there SRKruzich.  You're doing good.

[pepelect]

I know of none that have failed.  I know plenty that have been great.  

I just don't think the concept as a whole is viable or good for the populace of Elk county. I am sure in larger areas where the public schools are shit it makes perfect sense.  But here I think it would just put more of a drain on a depressed area.
Private school would be even worse.  Get you to quit public school then kick you out when your check bounced.  Private schools would bleed off the best and brightest and leave special ed and problem children.
I was a pain in the ass student with a IEP to prove it.    I didn't have crap teachers.  I had some really great teachers.  Some are still teaching here at WE.  A lot of blood sweat and tears built this school that you dismiss as sub par.   I personally think that it is still worth stick up for.  It would be an insult to the generation that came before me to do otherwise.  What you pass off as home schooling I would call growing up in a typical Elk county house with parents that actually care.  Hell yes I learned more from my parents and grandparents than I ever did at school.  But that doesn't mean that I should not have went to school.

Why should I endorse something that I done like, understand, or would run contrary to my continuing education?

[redcliffsw]

It's looking like you're very supportive of the indoctrination that you received
in the gov't school.  I got a dose of it too, but have been fortunate to rid ot it.

[pamsback]

 Indoctrination my *&^. What is this indoctrination yall keep spoutin off about? Just another boogieman hidin in the closet to scare your kids? Why is it that anybody who doesn't agree with you has been.....  oooooooooo......"indoctrinated"! I'd think everybody on here would agree with everybody else if we had all been "inDOCtrinated"....talk about boring ass conversations........hey.... maybe YOU all been indoctrinated.......

[pamsback]

??  ?? ?? ??

well I'm takin my indoctrinated(<- sarcasm) ass off to bed...mornin comes pretty early around here. Y'all have a most excellant evenin.